(09-28-2023 09:50 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 09:30 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 09:00 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  https://twitter.com/IBOSportNetwork/stat...9538903159

How many more stupid rumors will we hear before the end of the year?

Conference fanbois so desperately want the ACC to disintegrate. Between the ESSESEE fanbois wetdreaming of raising some new super football Confederacy to the WVU-B12 left-behind fanbois creaming their overalls at the thought of being better than some conference...any conference...well maybe the ACC if we fantasize down the road of it blowing up, my guess is I don't have enough fingers and toes to count all the stupid kook rumors yet to come.

It's made me actually root for other ACC teams, something I NEVER did in the past. I would specifically root against conference rivals (except Wake—I always root for Wake), but this whole Band of Brothers scenario cropped up, and here we are.

(09-27-2023 06:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 02:16 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  https://x.com/larrywilliamsti/status/170...kesefXz7Vg

If Clemson and FSU do leave the ACC sooner than later, what is the contingency plan?

People don’t seem to be interested in WVU. Maybe the ACC would add USF to get back to 16 and call it a day?

The main ingredient of the contingency plan is already in place. The ACC admits Cal, SMU, and Stanford. Conference membership remains at 15+ and the ESPN deal is not renegotiated.

USF makes an obvious addition at that point if the group feels need to expand. Tulane or Rice also enter the picture as complements for SMU.

(09-29-2023 07:02 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 06:37 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 02:16 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  https://x.com/larrywilliamsti/status/170...kesefXz7Vg

If Clemson and FSU do leave the ACC sooner than later, what is the contingency plan?

People don’t seem to be interested in WVU. Maybe the ACC would add USF to get back to 16 and call it a day?

The main ingredient of the contingency plan is already in place. The ACC admits Cal, SMU, and Stanford. Conference membership remains at 15+ and the ESPN deal is not renegotiated.

USF makes an obvious addition at that point if the group feels need to expand. Tulane or Rice also enter the picture as complements for SMU.

Leave your $600 Million at the door as you leave.

I mean if Clemson and FSU left, I’d be worried about other departures. I would add USF and UConn than try to land WVU, Cincinnati and UCF from the big 12, maybe trade cal, Stanford and smu ? The best move would be just to merge with the big 12

(09-29-2023 09:34 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I mean if Clemson and FSU left, I’d be worried about other departures. I would add USF and UConn than try to land WVU, Cincinnati and UCF from the big 12, maybe trade cal, Stanford and smu ? The best move would be just to merge with the big 12

Merging with the Big12 and getting back to some geographic sense wouid seem to me to be the best move, especially if divisions and individual members have more flexibility in who they choose to play, obviously Stanford and Cal wouid rather associate with Colorado and Utah than TTU, KSU or OSU (no offense meant).

I’d like to see 6 divisions of 6 between the merged conferences which would mean adding 3 others; probably USF, Memphis, UConn/OrSU/SDSU. In other words, miniature conferences with a common negotiator and championship format.

The ridiculous Clemson rumor gets knocked down -- so immediately people start speculating anew about Clemson and FSU leaving! The proof that this speculation is pointless doesn't matter. You're obsessed with it.

(09-28-2023 11:00 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 06:19 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 08:50 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 06:43 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  I'm pretty sure it will be the same song and dance as the PAC went thru....there will be some to the SEC, some more of us to the B12....and the ACC will likely turn into an upper level athletically speaking, Ivy League.

I predict that ZERO teams leave the ACC for the Big XII. Nada. Ain't gonna happen.

Hmmm...I need to hear if you have some parameters on that, such as within such and such # of years, or if you mean ever....

There's just too much smoke, to some degree already scene events of progress towards schools leaving the ACC, and a soon to be prior Power 5 conference evidence that the destruction of one can happen.

There are some Louisville posters on this board that have a yearning for association with the Big 12 or at least many of it's schools. There may come a time when that actually comes to pass but I would expect it to be amicable and perhaps will happen with a trade for a Big 12 school to move to the ACC.

Yep.

I am not sure where that comes from.

Maybe it's part of the nomadic existence U of L has lived since 1970, where the Cards were in the Missouri Valley, Independent, CUSA, Big East, AAC, then ACC .... we've been in the ACC for what, ten years?? so the itch to move is flaring up.

Maybe it's a fear that there truly will be a jailbreak of school bolting the ACC, that it's best to find refuge in a lesser Big XII.

For me ... I'd prefer to ride the ACC train for as long as possible. Hopefully til 2036. Even sans FSU and Clem's son.

We'll see where it goes. Not gonna sweat it too much.

I was always a proponent of UC and WVU to the ACC, not UL to the Big 12 unless it was the only lifeline available I’m ACC first but if We were somehow to get a call up if the ACC were falling apart I would prefer the SEC which if it was good for multiple schools in states to go there Why not UL? We aren’t any worse than some that we’re mentioned

(09-28-2023 11:00 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 07:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-28-2023 06:19 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 08:50 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-27-2023 06:43 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  I'm pretty sure it will be the same song and dance as the PAC went thru....there will be some to the SEC, some more of us to the B12....and the ACC will likely turn into an upper level athletically speaking, Ivy League.

I predict that ZERO teams leave the ACC for the Big XII. Nada. Ain't gonna happen.

Hmmm...I need to hear if you have some parameters on that, such as within such and such # of years, or if you mean ever....

There's just too much smoke, to some degree already scene events of progress towards schools leaving the ACC, and a soon to be prior Power 5 conference evidence that the destruction of one can happen.

There are some Louisville posters on this board that have a yearning for association with the Big 12 or at least many of it's schools. There may come a time when that actually comes to pass but I would expect it to be amicable and perhaps will happen with a trade for a Big 12 school to move to the ACC.

Yep.

I am not sure where that comes from.

Maybe it's part of the nomadic existence U of L has lived since 1970, where the Cards were in the Missouri Valley, Independent, CUSA, Big East, AAC, then ACC .... we've been in the ACC for what, ten years?? so the itch to move is flaring up.

Maybe it's a fear that there truly will be a jailbreak of school bolting the ACC, that it's best to find refuge in a lesser Big XII.

For me ... I'd prefer to ride the ACC train for as long as possible. Hopefully til 2036. Even sans FSU and Clem's son.

We'll see where it goes. Not gonna sweat it too much.

I was always a proponent of UC and WVU to the ACC, not UL to the Big 12 unless it was the only lifeline available I’m ACC first but if We were somehow to get a call up if the ACC were falling apart I would prefer the SEC which if it was good for multiple schools in states to go there Why not UL? We aren’t any worse than some that we’re mentioned

(09-29-2023 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  The ridiculous Clemson rumor gets knocked down -- so immediately people start speculating anew about Clemson and FSU leaving! The proof that this speculation is pointless doesn't matter. You're obsessed with it.

Most of this is a class warfare seeping into things.

There are about 12 distinct social classes in the US and if you call the old super rich 1's and the Native American, Alien just arrived in the US 10's for the purpose of creating a Likert Scale, its 5/6 gripe against perceived 3s who are actually mostly 4s.

The perception that UNC, Duke, and UVa are too good for WVa is often based on class perception alone. If you can attribute your own shortcomings to a class, then you can hold yourself blameless for your exclusion from something.

(09-29-2023 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  The ridiculous Clemson rumor gets knocked down -- so immediately people start speculating anew about Clemson and FSU leaving! The proof that this speculation is pointless doesn't matter. You're obsessed with it.

No one is 'speculating anew.' A massive revenue gap has opened between the ACC and P2. This situation is ongoing.

Schools that intend to compete at the highest level know they need to get on the right side of that gap. Sitting around passively until 2036 is not an option these schools can afford. For this reason, seven ACC schools have actively explored the legal strength of the ACC grant-of-rights document.

This being the case, many here are watching how things unfold—noting important dates, developments, and opportunities.

(09-29-2023 04:18 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  The ridiculous Clemson rumor gets knocked down -- so immediately people start speculating anew about Clemson and FSU leaving! The proof that this speculation is pointless doesn't matter. You're obsessed with it.

No one is 'speculating anew.' A massive revenue gap has opened between the ACC and P2. This situation is ongoing.

Schools that intend to compete at the highest level know they need to get on the right side of that gap. Sitting around passively until 2036 is not an option these schools can afford. For this reason, seven ACC schools have actively explored the legal strength of the ACC grant-of-rights document.

This being the case, many here are watching how things unfold—noting important dates, developments, and opportunities.

I look forward to the day you become a poor relation in the SEC. You will have that extra bit of money but still be behind your rivals to the tune of 20 M a year just on football ticket sales and despite your hubris and self aggrandizement you will never be able to pour more money into your program as can Alabama, Texas, TAMU, and OU.

I guess it is better to be 6th, 7th, or 8th in the SEC pecking order than first or second in the ACC. Have fun with it.

(09-29-2023 05:01 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 04:18 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  The ridiculous Clemson rumor gets knocked down -- so immediately people start speculating anew about Clemson and FSU leaving! The proof that this speculation is pointless doesn't matter. You're obsessed with it.

No one is 'speculating anew.' A massive revenue gap has opened between the ACC and P2. This situation is ongoing.

Schools that intend to compete at the highest level know they need to get on the right side of that gap. Sitting around passively until 2036 is not an option these schools can afford. For this reason, seven ACC schools have actively explored the legal strength of the ACC grant-of-rights document.

This being the case, many here are watching how things unfold—noting important dates, developments, and opportunities.

I look forward to the day you become a poor relation in the SEC. You will have that extra bit of money but still be behind your rivals to the tune of 20 M a year just on football ticket sales and despite your hubris and self aggrandizement you will never be able to pour more money into your program as can Alabama, Texas, TAMU, and OU.

I guess it is better to be 6th, 7th, or 8th in the SEC pecking order than first or second in the ACC. Have fun with it.

It's not so much about the money, though that is an issue, as it is about survival as a brand. The desire not to be left behind when the new upper tier forms is what most of this is about. The networks have determined a format, and the scramble is on for a ticket.

(09-29-2023 05:01 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 04:18 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  No one is 'speculating anew.' A massive revenue gap has opened between the ACC and P2. This situation is ongoing.

Schools that intend to compete at the highest level know they need to get on the right side of that gap. Sitting around passively until 2036 is not an option these schools can afford. For this reason, seven ACC schools have actively explored the legal strength of the ACC grant-of-rights document.

This being the case, many here are watching how things unfold—noting important dates, developments, and opportunities.

I look forward to the day you become a poor relation in the SEC. You will have that extra bit of money but still be behind your rivals to the tune of 20 M a year just on football ticket sales and despite your hubris and self aggrandizement you will never be able to pour more money into your program as can Alabama, Texas, TAMU, and OU.

I guess it is better to be 6th, 7th, or 8th in the SEC pecking order than first or second in the ACC. Have fun with it.

Thanks. Have fun at your pity party. Here are some balloons.



And here's some of that 8th-level SEC football you're looking forward to. Enjoy.

(09-29-2023 05:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 05:01 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 04:18 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  The ridiculous Clemson rumor gets knocked down -- so immediately people start speculating anew about Clemson and FSU leaving! The proof that this speculation is pointless doesn't matter. You're obsessed with it.

No one is 'speculating anew.' A massive revenue gap has opened between the ACC and P2. This situation is ongoing.

Schools that intend to compete at the highest level know they need to get on the right side of that gap. Sitting around passively until 2036 is not an option these schools can afford. For this reason, seven ACC schools have actively explored the legal strength of the ACC grant-of-rights document.

This being the case, many here are watching how things unfold—noting important dates, developments, and opportunities.

I look forward to the day you become a poor relation in the SEC. You will have that extra bit of money but still be behind your rivals to the tune of 20 M a year just on football ticket sales and despite your hubris and self aggrandizement you will never be able to pour more money into your program as can Alabama, Texas, TAMU, and OU.

I guess it is better to be 6th, 7th, or 8th in the SEC pecking order than first or second in the ACC. Have fun with it.

It's not so much about the money, though that is an issue, as it is about survival as a brand. The desire not to be left behind when the new upper tier forms is what most of this is about. The networks have determined a format, and the scramble is on for a ticket.

These “networks” have a shelf life. If true consolidation finalizes then that’s also going to be down to one network. I think the opposite; I believe major universities take control of video streaming a la radio. Could you imagine if Ohio State or Alabama could stream both home and away games? Also, you can pitch learning opportunities to the eggheads. I wish I could invest!

(09-29-2023 05:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 05:01 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 04:18 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  The ridiculous Clemson rumor gets knocked down -- so immediately people start speculating anew about Clemson and FSU leaving! The proof that this speculation is pointless doesn't matter. You're obsessed with it.

No one is 'speculating anew.' A massive revenue gap has opened between the ACC and P2. This situation is ongoing.

Schools that intend to compete at the highest level know they need to get on the right side of that gap. Sitting around passively until 2036 is not an option these schools can afford. For this reason, seven ACC schools have actively explored the legal strength of the ACC grant-of-rights document.

This being the case, many here are watching how things unfold—noting important dates, developments, and opportunities.

I look forward to the day you become a poor relation in the SEC. You will have that extra bit of money but still be behind your rivals to the tune of 20 M a year just on football ticket sales and despite your hubris and self aggrandizement you will never be able to pour more money into your program as can Alabama, Texas, TAMU, and OU.

I guess it is better to be 6th, 7th, or 8th in the SEC pecking order than first or second in the ACC. Have fun with it.

It's not so much about the money, though that is an issue, as it is about survival as a brand. The desire not to be left behind when the new upper tier forms is what most of this is about. The networks have determined a format, and the scramble is on for a ticket.

Even super groups need cannon fodder schools. You know, some what of a brand that the real upper echelon teams can beat on a regular basis and it looks like an accomplishment to an uninformed public.

Does anyone want to read lips on this quick meet up?

https://x.com/toddsummers7/status/170889...kesefXz7Vg

(09-30-2023 01:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 05:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 05:01 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 04:18 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 12:53 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  The ridiculous Clemson rumor gets knocked down -- so immediately people start speculating anew about Clemson and FSU leaving! The proof that this speculation is pointless doesn't matter. You're obsessed with it.

No one is 'speculating anew.' A massive revenue gap has opened between the ACC and P2. This situation is ongoing.

Schools that intend to compete at the highest level know they need to get on the right side of that gap. Sitting around passively until 2036 is not an option these schools can afford. For this reason, seven ACC schools have actively explored the legal strength of the ACC grant-of-rights document.

This being the case, many here are watching how things unfold—noting important dates, developments, and opportunities.

I look forward to the day you become a poor relation in the SEC. You will have that extra bit of money but still be behind your rivals to the tune of 20 M a year just on football ticket sales and despite your hubris and self aggrandizement you will never be able to pour more money into your program as can Alabama, Texas, TAMU, and OU.

I guess it is better to be 6th, 7th, or 8th in the SEC pecking order than first or second in the ACC. Have fun with it.

It's not so much about the money, though that is an issue, as it is about survival as a brand. The desire not to be left behind when the new upper tier forms is what most of this is about. The networks have determined a format, and the scramble is on for a ticket.

Even super groups need cannon fodder schools. You know, some what of a brand that the real upper echelon teams can beat on a regular basis and it looks like an accomplishment to an uninformed public.

That's what NC State and UVA are for.

(10-02-2023 06:05 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-30-2023 01:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 05:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 05:01 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 04:18 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  No one is 'speculating anew.' A massive revenue gap has opened between the ACC and P2. This situation is ongoing.

Schools that intend to compete at the highest level know they need to get on the right side of that gap. Sitting around passively until 2036 is not an option these schools can afford. For this reason, seven ACC schools have actively explored the legal strength of the ACC grant-of-rights document.

This being the case, many here are watching how things unfold—noting important dates, developments, and opportunities.

I look forward to the day you become a poor relation in the SEC. You will have that extra bit of money but still be behind your rivals to the tune of 20 M a year just on football ticket sales and despite your hubris and self aggrandizement you will never be able to pour more money into your program as can Alabama, Texas, TAMU, and OU.

I guess it is better to be 6th, 7th, or 8th in the SEC pecking order than first or second in the ACC. Have fun with it.

It's not so much about the money, though that is an issue, as it is about survival as a brand. The desire not to be left behind when the new upper tier forms is what most of this is about. The networks have determined a format, and the scramble is on for a ticket.

Even super groups need cannon fodder schools. You know, some what of a brand that the real upper echelon teams can beat on a regular basis and it looks like an accomplishment to an uninformed public.

That's what NC State and UVA are for.

You can add VT and UNC to that stew.

Winning at football is not an existential live or die thing in Va or NC. When it's not existential, you will become cannon fodder.

(09-29-2023 09:34 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I mean if Clemson and FSU left, I’d be worried about other departures. I would add USF and UConn than try to land WVU, Cincinnati and UCF from the big 12, maybe trade cal, Stanford and smu ? The best move would be just to merge with the big 12

What would that even look like?

Even more, I can't imagine Clemson and Florida St leaving without North Carolina as well. That might trigger a few more schools. I think we get to 20 in the B1G and SEC pretty quickly.

B1G (18) + Stanford, Virginia
SEC (16) + Clemson, Florida St, Miami, North Carolina

That leaves the ACC with 11/12 and the XII with 16. The XII gets to 24 with California, Duke, Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech.

Boston College, Notre Dame, and Wake Forest play independent and join the Big East. SMU joins the MWC with Oregon St and Washington St as well as 1-5 AAC schools.

B1G
Atlantic: Maryland, Michigan St, Penn St, Rutgers, Virginia
Central: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Midwest: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio St, Purdue
Pacific: Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington

SEC
East: Clemson, Florida St, Miami, North Carolina, South Carolina
South: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Southeast: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Southwest: Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

XXIV
Central: Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech
North: Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
South: Central Florida, Duke, Georgia Tech, Houston, North Carolina St, TCU
West: Arizona, Arizona St, BYU, California, Colorado, Utah

(10-03-2023 12:03 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-29-2023 09:34 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I mean if Clemson and FSU left, I’d be worried about other departures. I would add USF and UConn than try to land WVU, Cincinnati and UCF from the big 12, maybe trade cal, Stanford and smu ? The best move would be just to merge with the big 12

What would that even look like?

Even more, I can't imagine Clemson and Florida St leaving without North Carolina as well. That might trigger a few more schools. I think we get to 20 in the B1G and SEC pretty quickly.

B1G (18) + Stanford, Virginia
SEC (16) + Clemson, Florida St, Miami, North Carolina

That leaves the ACC with 11/12 and the XII with 16. The XII gets to 24 with California, Duke, Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina St, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech.

Boston College, Notre Dame, and Wake Forest play independent and join the Big East. SMU joins the MWC with Oregon St and Washington St as well as 1-5 AAC schools.

B1G
Atlantic: Maryland, Michigan St, Penn St, Rutgers, Virginia
Central: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Midwest: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio St, Purdue
Pacific: Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington

SEC
East: Clemson, Florida St, Miami, North Carolina, South Carolina
South: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
Southeast: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Southwest: Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

XXIV
Central: Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech
North: Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
South: Central Florida, Duke, Georgia Tech, Houston, North Carolina St, TCU
West: Arizona, Arizona St, BYU, California, Colorado, Utah

If GT, NC State, WF, VT, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse, SMU, and BC were somehow left, they are not going to the B12, what will happen is USF, UCF, West Va, Tulane, and UConn but that's if NC State and VT don't go to the Big 10 and the B10 will not ignore the State of NC.