(09-24-2023 08:10 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 07:50 AM)The Grinch Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 07:35 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  I think that this can be fixed. The more I consider it, the more “pieces” we have that I like.

There’s a bunch I don’t like. The offensive scheme is trash. Fire everyone involved there. The Oline is really bad. Fire the coach there. The backs don’t look good to me, might need a new wave of transfers.

But…I like the WRs. Johnson can catch, and is a freshman. Rudolph needs some healing time, so he’s back next year. The TE room seems talented. And I really like Lynch, not sure what to do with him, but he’s a football player I enjoy watching.

This highlights what I hate about Hammock - he doesn’t seem to understand that HE needs to mold to his pieces, not vice versa. He also fails at properly evaluating his talent. Rocky isn’t it. He should have been benched 2 games ago. The only guy at the QB spot who did anything was Lynch, and he’s not even a qb anymore.

Hammock’s a bad coach, but this can be fixed. As long as there isn’t a mass exodus on defense and the coach steps back, hires an OC who understands that high school kids today are not built for this weird 1999 Wisconsin offense things should improve.

Hammock is the issue. He won’t resign. Can’t be fired. So what needs to happen is he needs to step back. Hire coaches to coach. Stick to the rah rah stuff and let everyone work.

If the OLine is really bad, the RBs don't look good, and the QB ain't it, there isn't a "scheme" on the planet that fixes that. I'd suggest watching a Notre Dame or Michigan game and you'll see power run offense. It ain't the scheme. It's the talent and there ain't enough of it on this team to overcome poor play. Recruiting Recruiting and more Recruiting

Michigan is more pro style than power run. And finding 2 teams that can get near the top talent on the planet isn’t winning this argument. Most high school kids aren’t brought up in this system - and the few that are that are d1 talents probably go to the big schools.

Heck look at what Tommy Rees is doing at Alabama. They look like trash with his “scheme.” The power run with QB compliment only seems to work if you have a total stud qb - which Michigan and ND has. Minnesota, who also lives the run, is Mid at best most years.

I disagree with you assessment. It’s an outdated system that isn’t feasible at this level and is hard to execute at even higher levels of talent.

Our offense is a pro based power run offense. Alabama looks like trash because the QB isn't great and he keeps throwing INTs.He's also a Soph learning and has shown flashes of being very good. If you're Minnesota or Iowa or historically Wisconsin what you need is the QB compliment. You don’t need a stud, you need competence. In theory it is easier to recruit large men capable of blocking and good running backs than finding generational QBs. It's about sustainability. The problem here is when you don't have a stud QB, he can't mask the talent deficiencies everywhere else. They get exacerbated.

(09-24-2023 08:35 AM)The Grinch Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 08:10 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 07:50 AM)The Grinch Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 07:35 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  I think that this can be fixed. The more I consider it, the more “pieces” we have that I like.

There’s a bunch I don’t like. The offensive scheme is trash. Fire everyone involved there. The Oline is really bad. Fire the coach there. The backs don’t look good to me, might need a new wave of transfers.

But…I like the WRs. Johnson can catch, and is a freshman. Rudolph needs some healing time, so he’s back next year. The TE room seems talented. And I really like Lynch, not sure what to do with him, but he’s a football player I enjoy watching.

This highlights what I hate about Hammock - he doesn’t seem to understand that HE needs to mold to his pieces, not vice versa. He also fails at properly evaluating his talent. Rocky isn’t it. He should have been benched 2 games ago. The only guy at the QB spot who did anything was Lynch, and he’s not even a qb anymore.

Hammock’s a bad coach, but this can be fixed. As long as there isn’t a mass exodus on defense and the coach steps back, hires an OC who understands that high school kids today are not built for this weird 1999 Wisconsin offense things should improve.

Hammock is the issue. He won’t resign. Can’t be fired. So what needs to happen is he needs to step back. Hire coaches to coach. Stick to the rah rah stuff and let everyone work.

If the OLine is really bad, the RBs don't look good, and the QB ain't it, there isn't a "scheme" on the planet that fixes that. I'd suggest watching a Notre Dame or Michigan game and you'll see power run offense. It ain't the scheme. It's the talent and there ain't enough of it on this team to overcome poor play. Recruiting Recruiting and more Recruiting

Michigan is more pro style than power run. And finding 2 teams that can get near the top talent on the planet isn’t winning this argument. Most high school kids aren’t brought up in this system - and the few that are that are d1 talents probably go to the big schools.

Heck look at what Tommy Rees is doing at Alabama. They look like trash with his “scheme.” The power run with QB compliment only seems to work if you have a total stud qb - which Michigan and ND has. Minnesota, who also lives the run, is Mid at best most years.

I disagree with you assessment. It’s an outdated system that isn’t feasible at this level and is hard to execute at even higher levels of talent.

Our offense is a pro based power run offense. Alabama looks like trash because the QB isn't great and he keeps throwing INTs.He's also a Soph learning and has shown flashes of being very good. If you're Minnesota or Iowa or historically Wisconsin what you need is the QB compliment. You don’t need a stud, you need competence. In theory it is easier to recruit large men capable of blocking and good running backs than finding generational QBs. It's about sustainability. The problem here is when you don't have a stud QB, he can't mask the talent deficiencies everywhere else. They get exacerbated.

The answer is Phil. Phil Horvath. Huskie LEGEND.

(09-24-2023 08:35 AM)The Grinch Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 08:10 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 07:50 AM)The Grinch Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 07:35 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  I think that this can be fixed. The more I consider it, the more “pieces” we have that I like.

There’s a bunch I don’t like. The offensive scheme is trash. Fire everyone involved there. The Oline is really bad. Fire the coach there. The backs don’t look good to me, might need a new wave of transfers.

But…I like the WRs. Johnson can catch, and is a freshman. Rudolph needs some healing time, so he’s back next year. The TE room seems talented. And I really like Lynch, not sure what to do with him, but he’s a football player I enjoy watching.

This highlights what I hate about Hammock - he doesn’t seem to understand that HE needs to mold to his pieces, not vice versa. He also fails at properly evaluating his talent. Rocky isn’t it. He should have been benched 2 games ago. The only guy at the QB spot who did anything was Lynch, and he’s not even a qb anymore.

Hammock’s a bad coach, but this can be fixed. As long as there isn’t a mass exodus on defense and the coach steps back, hires an OC who understands that high school kids today are not built for this weird 1999 Wisconsin offense things should improve.

Hammock is the issue. He won’t resign. Can’t be fired. So what needs to happen is he needs to step back. Hire coaches to coach. Stick to the rah rah stuff and let everyone work.

If the OLine is really bad, the RBs don't look good, and the QB ain't it, there isn't a "scheme" on the planet that fixes that. I'd suggest watching a Notre Dame or Michigan game and you'll see power run offense. It ain't the scheme. It's the talent and there ain't enough of it on this team to overcome poor play. Recruiting Recruiting and more Recruiting

Michigan is more pro style than power run. And finding 2 teams that can get near the top talent on the planet isn’t winning this argument. Most high school kids aren’t brought up in this system - and the few that are that are d1 talents probably go to the big schools.

Heck look at what Tommy Rees is doing at Alabama. They look like trash with his “scheme.” The power run with QB compliment only seems to work if you have a total stud qb - which Michigan and ND has. Minnesota, who also lives the run, is Mid at best most years.

I disagree with you assessment. It’s an outdated system that isn’t feasible at this level and is hard to execute at even higher levels of talent.

Our offense is a pro based power run offense. Alabama looks like trash because the QB isn't great and he keeps throwing INTs.He's also a Soph learning and has shown flashes of being very good. If you're Minnesota or Iowa or historically Wisconsin what you need is the QB compliment. You don’t need a stud, you need competence. In theory it is easier to recruit large men capable of blocking and good running backs than finding generational QBs. It's about sustainability. The problem here is when you don't have a stud QB, he can't mask the talent deficiencies everywhere else. They get exacerbated.

That “theory” was good like 20 years ago. Now these large men are trained to pass block first - power run block second.

But I think your comment proves the point beautifully. That *was* the theory - but the times have changed and those guys don’t exist in high numbers any more. How many of the midwest, traditional, power run high schools of 20 years ago still do it? And I don’t mean traditional triple option schools that employ smaller athletic linemen, I mean the old school run high schools? They just aren’t there. The guys don’t exist.

(09-24-2023 08:40 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 08:35 AM)The Grinch Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 08:10 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 07:50 AM)The Grinch Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 07:35 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  I think that this can be fixed. The more I consider it, the more “pieces” we have that I like.

There’s a bunch I don’t like. The offensive scheme is trash. Fire everyone involved there. The Oline is really bad. Fire the coach there. The backs don’t look good to me, might need a new wave of transfers.

But…I like the WRs. Johnson can catch, and is a freshman. Rudolph needs some healing time, so he’s back next year. The TE room seems talented. And I really like Lynch, not sure what to do with him, but he’s a football player I enjoy watching.

This highlights what I hate about Hammock - he doesn’t seem to understand that HE needs to mold to his pieces, not vice versa. He also fails at properly evaluating his talent. Rocky isn’t it. He should have been benched 2 games ago. The only guy at the QB spot who did anything was Lynch, and he’s not even a qb anymore.

Hammock’s a bad coach, but this can be fixed. As long as there isn’t a mass exodus on defense and the coach steps back, hires an OC who understands that high school kids today are not built for this weird 1999 Wisconsin offense things should improve.

Hammock is the issue. He won’t resign. Can’t be fired. So what needs to happen is he needs to step back. Hire coaches to coach. Stick to the rah rah stuff and let everyone work.

If the OLine is really bad, the RBs don't look good, and the QB ain't it, there isn't a "scheme" on the planet that fixes that. I'd suggest watching a Notre Dame or Michigan game and you'll see power run offense. It ain't the scheme. It's the talent and there ain't enough of it on this team to overcome poor play. Recruiting Recruiting and more Recruiting

Michigan is more pro style than power run. And finding 2 teams that can get near the top talent on the planet isn’t winning this argument. Most high school kids aren’t brought up in this system - and the few that are that are d1 talents probably go to the big schools.

Heck look at what Tommy Rees is doing at Alabama. They look like trash with his “scheme.” The power run with QB compliment only seems to work if you have a total stud qb - which Michigan and ND has. Minnesota, who also lives the run, is Mid at best most years.

I disagree with you assessment. It’s an outdated system that isn’t feasible at this level and is hard to execute at even higher levels of talent.

Our offense is a pro based power run offense. Alabama looks like trash because the QB isn't great and he keeps throwing INTs.He's also a Soph learning and has shown flashes of being very good. If you're Minnesota or Iowa or historically Wisconsin what you need is the QB compliment. You don’t need a stud, you need competence. In theory it is easier to recruit large men capable of blocking and good running backs than finding generational QBs. It's about sustainability. The problem here is when you don't have a stud QB, he can't mask the talent deficiencies everywhere else. They get exacerbated.

The answer is Phil. Phil Horvath. Huskie LEGEND.

He did so much with talent that probably wouldn’t land him in D1 football today.

I liked Phil, one of the underrated Huskie QBs.

(09-24-2023 08:35 AM)The Grinch Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 08:10 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 07:50 AM)The Grinch Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 07:35 AM)BigChilla Wrote:  I think that this can be fixed. The more I consider it, the more “pieces” we have that I like.

There’s a bunch I don’t like. The offensive scheme is trash. Fire everyone involved there. The Oline is really bad. Fire the coach there. The backs don’t look good to me, might need a new wave of transfers.

But…I like the WRs. Johnson can catch, and is a freshman. Rudolph needs some healing time, so he’s back next year. The TE room seems talented. And I really like Lynch, not sure what to do with him, but he’s a football player I enjoy watching.

This highlights what I hate about Hammock - he doesn’t seem to understand that HE needs to mold to his pieces, not vice versa. He also fails at properly evaluating his talent. Rocky isn’t it. He should have been benched 2 games ago. The only guy at the QB spot who did anything was Lynch, and he’s not even a qb anymore.

Hammock’s a bad coach, but this can be fixed. As long as there isn’t a mass exodus on defense and the coach steps back, hires an OC who understands that high school kids today are not built for this weird 1999 Wisconsin offense things should improve.

Hammock is the issue. He won’t resign. Can’t be fired. So what needs to happen is he needs to step back. Hire coaches to coach. Stick to the rah rah stuff and let everyone work.

If the OLine is really bad, the RBs don't look good, and the QB ain't it, there isn't a "scheme" on the planet that fixes that. I'd suggest watching a Notre Dame or Michigan game and you'll see power run offense. It ain't the scheme. It's the talent and there ain't enough of it on this team to overcome poor play. Recruiting Recruiting and more Recruiting

Michigan is more pro style than power run. And finding 2 teams that can get near the top talent on the planet isn’t winning this argument. Most high school kids aren’t brought up in this system - and the few that are that are d1 talents probably go to the big schools.

Heck look at what Tommy Rees is doing at Alabama. They look like trash with his “scheme.” The power run with QB compliment only seems to work if you have a total stud qb - which Michigan and ND has. Minnesota, who also lives the run, is Mid at best most years.

I disagree with you assessment. It’s an outdated system that isn’t feasible at this level and is hard to execute at even higher levels of talent.

Our offense is a pro based power run offense. Alabama looks like trash because the QB isn't great and he keeps throwing INTs.He's also a Soph learning and has shown flashes of being very good. If you're Minnesota or Iowa or historically Wisconsin what you need is the QB compliment. You don’t need a stud, you need competence. In theory it is easier to recruit large men capable of blocking and good running backs than finding generational QBs. It's about sustainability. The problem here is when you don't have a stud QB, he can't mask the talent deficiencies everywhere else. They get exacerbated.

Stud QB with surrounding cast of a 2-3 very good players, or a handful of very good. Surrounded by a couple more Tucker guys who can kick and avg cast.

Rocky, Rudolph and a three headed monster at RB/FB won a MAC. It was a recipe that somehow NIU had for better parts of like 12 years.

Throw in a very good linemen and a couple great defenders like Ward and Smith and there you go. I mean Smith single handedly won 2 games on an 8-5 that went to MACC.

But in the end , all revolves around playmakers on offense. Rocky is done, Rudolph has slowed and Brown is all that is left at RB. All the eggs were in that basket there. And the line, WR play has not helped. Kicking game, well, no words needed.

But in reality, you could add a couple playmakers from past, even a couple now heathy, never got hurt and they are 3-1.

It's things evening out. Even coaching decisions that worked for an entire year, now seem to never work. And they can't be overcome with the lack of offense.

On a side note, I just want to know who decided that Rocky was better option than Lynch on 4th down. I mean the 4th down call is one thing. But as in the past, the actual play call and package is the type of stuff that is inexcusable.

Why Rocky took the 4th down instead of Lynch or Lampe is just non-sensical. As I said earlier, just enough head scratcher plays to lose each game that have all been winnable.

Anyone see the post game of presser?

(09-24-2023 09:16 AM)ChicagoHuskie Wrote:  Why Rocky took the 4th down instead of Lynch or Lampe is just non-sensical. As I said earlier, just enough head scratcher plays to lose each game that have all been winnable.

I am assuming you are referring to the 4th and 1 on our 28 yard line after we had taken control of the game and taken the lead 14-9! The game was lost on that Hammock boneheaded play. We gave them the momentum and gave them a field goal. The play call is the issue, not the QB. Punt the ball and let our defense get it back. Boneheaded is way to polite a term for such a stupid idiotic call. If I were AD i would ream him for that call to the point Hammock would quit if indeed he is a man of vaunted integrity. STF won't and we are stuck with both for years. Enjoy.

(09-24-2023 10:04 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 09:16 AM)ChicagoHuskie Wrote:  Why Rocky took the 4th down instead of Lynch or Lampe is just non-sensical. As I said earlier, just enough head scratcher plays to lose each game that have all been winnable.

I am assuming you are referring to the 4th and 1 on our 28 yard line after we had taken control of the game and taken the lead 14-9! The game was lost on that Hammock boneheaded play. We gave them the momentum and gave them a field goal. The play call is the issue, not the QB. Punt the ball and let our defense get it back. Boneheaded is way to polite a term for such a stupid idiotic call. If I were AD i would ream him for that call to the point Hammock would quit if indeed he is a man of vaunted integrity. STF won't and we are stuck with both for years. Enjoy.

100% agree. A completely bone-headed decision. Our lead was only 5 points and you left them the ball at our 28 yard line. Indefensible.

(09-24-2023 10:21 AM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 10:04 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 09:16 AM)ChicagoHuskie Wrote:  Why Rocky took the 4th down instead of Lynch or Lampe is just non-sensical. As I said earlier, just enough head scratcher plays to lose each game that have all been winnable.

I am assuming you are referring to the 4th and 1 on our 28 yard line after we had taken control of the game and taken the lead 14-9! The game was lost on that Hammock boneheaded play. We gave them the momentum and gave them a field goal. The play call is the issue, not the QB. Punt the ball and let our defense get it back. Boneheaded is way to polite a term for such a stupid idiotic call. If I were AD i would ream him for that call to the point Hammock would quit if indeed he is a man of vaunted integrity. STF won't and we are stuck with both for years. Enjoy.

He's made these bone-headed decisions time and time again the last two years. I think of the 4th and 5 call against Tulsa last year as well. So frustrating.

100% agree. A completely bone-headed decision. Our lead was only 5 points and you left them the ball at our 28 yard line. Indefensible.

(09-24-2023 10:21 AM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 10:04 AM)El Duderino Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 09:16 AM)ChicagoHuskie Wrote:  Why Rocky took the 4th down instead of Lynch or Lampe is just non-sensical. As I said earlier, just enough head scratcher plays to lose each game that have all been winnable.

I am assuming you are referring to the 4th and 1 on our 28 yard line after we had taken control of the game and taken the lead 14-9! The game was lost on that Hammock boneheaded play. We gave them the momentum and gave them a field goal. The play call is the issue, not the QB. Punt the ball and let our defense get it back. Boneheaded is way to polite a term for such a stupid idiotic call. If I were AD i would ream him for that call to the point Hammock would quit if indeed he is a man of vaunted integrity. STF won't and we are stuck with both for years. Enjoy.

100% agree. A completely bone-headed decision. Our lead was only 5 points and you left them the ball at our 28 yard line. Indefensible.

Gamecast had NIU with a 70% chance of winning when that call was made. NIU had all the momentum and the defense was playing tough. Add in the fact they they used the QB that was benched for being ineffective and there was zero reason to run that play.

We averaged 32.7 pts a game in 2021. Same OC & HC, they know how to score points, the difference is the roster. Rocky, Rudolph of 21 are gone as is Rat. 23 is a slower Rocky and Rudolph. Stillshocked Rudolph did not on that KO returnhe fumbled. HUGE hole, Rudolph 21 or TommieLee and that's 6., at a school with more depth that sit him down for that.

Johnson is going to be real good WR for us.

Saw Jordan Lynch was at the game yesterday. Obviously supporting his younger brother but still wonder if he would ever be interested in coming back to the college coaching ranks.

(09-24-2023 11:26 AM)McG Wrote:  Saw Jordan Lynch was at the game yesterday. Obviously supporting his younger brother but still wonder if he would ever be interested in coming back to the college coaching ranks.

That's a long path. But he could certainly do it. Hopefully this path involves us.

I'm not against hiring former players. Especially ones with good resumes and pedigrees. I thought Ham's was perfect, and here we are. Stud RB coach everywhere he's been, excellent recommendation by John Harbaugh.

I loved that Ham was an alum and seemed to connect with the players, but was always wary that his background was exclusively as a running backs coach. NFL but RB's and RB coaches just haven't been successful.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/chargers/...story.html

Hammock was a great story and I thought it was slam dunk hire, but he has become Carol Owens. A great story, but over there head as head coaches. Carol ended up resigning and going back to what she was good at, an assistant at Notre Dame. Hammock may end up doing the same

(09-24-2023 11:48 AM)golf4501 Wrote:  Hammock was a great story and I thought it was slam dunk hire, but he has become Carol Owens. A great story, but over there head as head coaches. Carol ended up resigning and going back to what she was good at, an assistant at Notre Dame. Hammock may end up doing the same

Monty was a great story too. Massive pedigree.

NIU basketball a tough nut to crack though.

Looking back at the interview process. They should of hired Kevin Kane. STF was dead set on Hammock. All the other coaches interviewed were just a formality of the process.

(09-24-2023 12:06 PM)142niu Wrote:  Looking back at the interview process. They should of hired Kevin Kane. STF was dead set on Hammock. All the other coaches interviewed were just a formality of the process.

Would have to take a pay cut to pry him away from his DC duties at Purdue

(09-24-2023 12:12 PM)McG Wrote:  

(09-24-2023 12:06 PM)142niu Wrote:  Looking back at the interview process. They should of hired Kevin Kane. STF was dead set on Hammock. All the other coaches interviewed were just a formality of the process.

Would have to take a pay cut to pry him away from his DC duties at Purdue

That ship has sailed.