"The reality is, our conference is third in the country in (revenue) distribution, third, and as we look at the projections, at least in this decade, we’re going to continue to be there. Now we want to close the gap. We need to close the gap between (us) and the top two conferences that have started to run away from us.” - Commish Jim Phillips


Link
https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...71f1c.html

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/statu...0046877698

IF U AIN’T FIRST YOU’RE LAST

(05-17-2023 10:14 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  "The reality is, our conference is third in the country in (revenue) distribution, third, and as we look at the projections, at least in this decade, we’re going to continue to be there. Now we want to close the gap. We need to close the gap between (us) and the top two conferences that have started to run away from us.” - Commish Jim Phillips


Link
https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...71f1c.html

Perhaps the ACC collects the third highest amount per TV Media Rights Deal, but I highly doubt the ACC is third in what it distributes to its member schools.

(05-18-2023 09:34 AM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 10:14 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  "The reality is, our conference is third in the country in (revenue) distribution, third, and as we look at the projections, at least in this decade, we’re going to continue to be there. Now we want to close the gap. We need to close the gap between (us) and the top two conferences that have started to run away from us.” - Commish Jim Phillips


Link
https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...71f1c.html

Perhaps the ACC collects the third highest amount per TV Media Rights Deal, but I highly doubt the ACC is third in what it distributes to its member schools.

The payouts are very close and which is 3rd actually changes from year to year.

One factor is the CFP. Until now the CFP base amount has been paid per conference. Thus, smaller leagues (like the Big XII) have gotten more per team. Going forward, the 16-team SEC and Big Ten conferences have indicated that they want CFP money per team. That will help the ACC and hurt the Big XII payout. We're talking $3.9M vs $5.5M currently, a $1.6M advantage for the XII.

There's also the Orange Bowl vs. Sugar Bowl payout. Until now, OB pays the ACC $27.5M/14 teams = $1.96M/team. Sugar pays the Big XII $40M/10 teams = $4.0M each. That's another difference of $2M in favor of the XII. Raise your hand if you think the New Big XII gets another sweetheart deal like that!

So the Big XII has been keeping up and sometimes ahead of the ACC by virtue of $1.6M CFP + $2M Sugar Bowl = $3.6M payout advantage before we ever talk TV. Those built-in advantages are likely to go away in the next couple of years.

SEE ALSO https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2023/...youts.html

(05-18-2023 10:31 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 09:34 AM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 10:14 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  "The reality is, our conference is third in the country in (revenue) distribution, third, and as we look at the projections, at least in this decade, we’re going to continue to be there. Now we want to close the gap. We need to close the gap between (us) and the top two conferences that have started to run away from us.” - Commish Jim Phillips


Link
https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...71f1c.html

Perhaps the ACC collects the third highest amount per TV Media Rights Deal, but I highly doubt the ACC is third in what it distributes to its member schools.

The payouts are very close and which is 3rd actually changes from year to year.

One factor is the CFP. Until now the CFP base amount has been paid per conference. Thus, smaller leagues (like the Big XII) have gotten more per team. Going forward, the 16-team SEC and Big Ten conferences have indicated that they want CFP money per team. That will help the ACC and hurt the Big XII payout. We're talking $3.9M vs $5.5M currently, a $1.6M advantage for the XII.

There's also the Orange Bowl vs. Sugar Bowl payout. Until now, OB pays the ACC $27.5M/14 teams = $1.96M/team. Sugar pays the Big XII $40M/10 teams = $4.0M each. That's another difference of $2M in favor of the XII. Raise your hand if you think the New Big XII gets another sweetheart deal like that!

So the Big XII has been keeping up and sometimes ahead of the ACC by virtue of $1.6M CFP + $2M Sugar Bowl = $3.6M payout advantage before we ever talk TV. Those built-in advantages are likely to go away in the next couple of years.

SEE ALSO https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2023/...youts.html

But now that both Texas and Oklahoma are leaving the Big 12, I doubt the Sugar Bowl will maintain that agreement I can see the SEC and ACC being a better fit with TV viewership

(05-18-2023 09:34 AM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 10:14 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  "The reality is, our conference is third in the country in (revenue) distribution, third, and as we look at the projections, at least in this decade, we’re going to continue to be there. Now we want to close the gap. We need to close the gap between (us) and the top two conferences that have started to run away from us.” - Commish Jim Phillips


Link
https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...71f1c.html

Perhaps the ACC collects the third highest amount per TV Media Rights Deal, but I highly doubt the ACC is third in what it distributes to its member schools.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofi...00140/full

The B12 has finally posted their 2020-21 Federal Tax Form 990- https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofi...00140/full

They took in $230,000,000 from TV - that is $23 M per school average.
They distributed between $34.7 and $36.4 M to all 10 schools.

The ACC in the SAME Fiscal Year took in $397M for TV or $26.4 M per school. The ACC distributed $34.9 to 38.1 M per school in the same year - meaning Clemson made more that Texas or OU that year from their conference.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofi...1120201147

In both listings, bowl game money is separate from TV Money so the inclusion or exclusion of the Orange or Sugar Bowl does not affect the TV money line.


The line of bull **** that is being fed to people is based on those people's inability to read critically and to do any primary research. The easiest way to make something look unequal is to compare A's income from two years ago to B's projected income from 2-5 years in the future.

B12 TV Payout Per School Over Time

21 - 23M
22 - 25M
23 - 27M (Texas and OU leave)
24 - 26M (BYU, Cincy, Houston, and UCF join for payment - it's a net $10 M annual hit to existing schools - damn good work)
25 - 28 M
26 - 30 M
27 - 32 M
28 - 34 M
29 - 36 M
30 - B12 need another contract

What you see here is the B12 essentially being held harmless for losing Texas and OU

ACC TV Payment Per School Over Time

21 - 26.3 (ACC Network partially in this year)
22 - 31 M (Reported by UNC - ACCN almost full in)
23 - 34 M (Full ACCN distribution return)
24 - 35.5 M
25 - 37 M
26 - 38.5 M
27 - 40 M
28 - 41.5 M
29 - 43 M
30 - ACC still 7-8 million ahead on just television

(05-18-2023 09:34 AM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 10:14 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  "The reality is, our conference is third in the country in (revenue) distribution, third, and as we look at the projections, at least in this decade, we’re going to continue to be there. Now we want to close the gap. We need to close the gap between (us) and the top two conferences that have started to run away from us.” - Commish Jim Phillips


Link
https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...71f1c.html

Perhaps the ACC collects the third highest amount per TV Media Rights Deal, but I highly doubt the ACC is third in what it distributes to its member schools.

You're right, the ACC IS third in media revenue but fourth is distribution and per team payouts.

(05-18-2023 01:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  B12 TV Payout Per School Over Time

21 - 23M
22 - 25M
23 - 27M (Texas and OU leave)
24 - 26M (BYU, Cincy, Houston, and UCF join for payment - it's a net $10 M annual hit to existing schools - damn good work)
25 - 28 M
26 - 30 M
27 - 32 M
28 - 34 M
29 - 36 M
30 - B12 need another contract

What you see here is the B12 essentially being held harmless for losing Texas and OU

ACC TV Payment Per School Over Time

21 - 26.3 (ACC Network partially in this year)
22 - 31 M (Reported by UNC - ACCN almost full in)
23 - 34 M (Full ACCN distribution return)
24 - 35.5 M
25 - 37 M
26 - 38.5 M
27 - 40 M
28 - 41.5 M
29 - 43 M
30 - ACC still 7-8 million ahead on just television

That is not an accurate projection. The Big 12 is already paying 28 million per member in media payouts and that will go up over the next few years via escalators.

(05-18-2023 12:11 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 10:31 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 09:34 AM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 10:14 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  "The reality is, our conference is third in the country in (revenue) distribution, third, and as we look at the projections, at least in this decade, we’re going to continue to be there. Now we want to close the gap. We need to close the gap between (us) and the top two conferences that have started to run away from us.” - Commish Jim Phillips


Link
https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...71f1c.html

Perhaps the ACC collects the third highest amount per TV Media Rights Deal, but I highly doubt the ACC is third in what it distributes to its member schools.

The payouts are very close and which is 3rd actually changes from year to year.

One factor is the CFP. Until now the CFP base amount has been paid per conference. Thus, smaller leagues (like the Big XII) have gotten more per team. Going forward, the 16-team SEC and Big Ten conferences have indicated that they want CFP money per team. That will help the ACC and hurt the Big XII payout. We're talking $3.9M vs $5.5M currently, a $1.6M advantage for the XII.

There's also the Orange Bowl vs. Sugar Bowl payout. Until now, OB pays the ACC $27.5M/14 teams = $1.96M/team. Sugar pays the Big XII $40M/10 teams = $4.0M each. That's another difference of $2M in favor of the XII. Raise your hand if you think the New Big XII gets another sweetheart deal like that!

So the Big XII has been keeping up and sometimes ahead of the ACC by virtue of $1.6M CFP + $2M Sugar Bowl = $3.6M payout advantage before we ever talk TV. Those built-in advantages are likely to go away in the next couple of years.

SEE ALSO https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2023/...youts.html

But now that both Texas and Oklahoma are leaving the Big 12, I doubt the Sugar Bowl will maintain that agreement I can see the SEC and ACC being a better fit with TV viewership

ESPN just threw more money at the Big 12 than they ever have and have more control over it than they ever have. The Sugar Bowl is staying with the Big 12. Especially with the numbers that Oklahoma State and Kansas State helped it draw in their matchups the last 2 years. It would not shock me if that was part of the TV agreement, maybe even part of Texas and OU leaving early. The Big 12 viewership is pretty high. And why would the SEC

(05-18-2023 02:24 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 12:11 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 10:31 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 09:34 AM)JAE_VT Wrote:  

(05-17-2023 10:14 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  "The reality is, our conference is third in the country in (revenue) distribution, third, and as we look at the projections, at least in this decade, we’re going to continue to be there. Now we want to close the gap. We need to close the gap between (us) and the top two conferences that have started to run away from us.” - Commish Jim Phillips


Link
https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...71f1c.html

Perhaps the ACC collects the third highest amount per TV Media Rights Deal, but I highly doubt the ACC is third in what it distributes to its member schools.

The payouts are very close and which is 3rd actually changes from year to year.

One factor is the CFP. Until now the CFP base amount has been paid per conference. Thus, smaller leagues (like the Big XII) have gotten more per team. Going forward, the 16-team SEC and Big Ten conferences have indicated that they want CFP money per team. That will help the ACC and hurt the Big XII payout. We're talking $3.9M vs $5.5M currently, a $1.6M advantage for the XII.

There's also the Orange Bowl vs. Sugar Bowl payout. Until now, OB pays the ACC $27.5M/14 teams = $1.96M/team. Sugar pays the Big XII $40M/10 teams = $4.0M each. That's another difference of $2M in favor of the XII. Raise your hand if you think the New Big XII gets another sweetheart deal like that!

So the Big XII has been keeping up and sometimes ahead of the ACC by virtue of $1.6M CFP + $2M Sugar Bowl = $3.6M payout advantage before we ever talk TV. Those built-in advantages are likely to go away in the next couple of years.

SEE ALSO https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2023/...youts.html

But now that both Texas and Oklahoma are leaving the Big 12, I doubt the Sugar Bowl will maintain that agreement I can see the SEC and ACC being a better fit with TV viewership

ESPN just threw more money at the Big 12 than they ever have and have more control over it than they ever have. The Sugar Bowl is staying with the Big 12. Especially with the numbers that Oklahoma State and Kansas State helped it draw in their matchups the last 2 years. It would not shock me if that was part of the TV agreement, maybe even part of Texas and OU leaving early. The Big 12 viewership is pretty high. And why would the SEC

I'd be shocked if the Big12 kept the Sugar Bowl post-OUTexit. We'll see.

(05-18-2023 03:31 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 02:24 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  ESPN just threw more money at the Big 12 than they ever have and have more control over it than they ever have. The Sugar Bowl is staying with the Big 12. Especially with the numbers that Oklahoma State and Kansas State helped it draw in their matchups the last 2 years. It would not shock me if that was part of the TV agreement, maybe even part of Texas and OU leaving early. The Big 12 viewership is pretty high. And why would the SEC

I'd be shocked if the Big12 kept the Sugar Bowl post-OUTexit. We'll see.

I don't know which bowls the Big XII will keep. I just remember, aren't ALL of the bowls going to be hosting playoffs every year once the CFP expands? So technically all P5 conferences are about to lose their "contract" bowls. That will take away $27.5M from the ACC, but $40M from the Big XII... win for the ACC.

(05-18-2023 02:19 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 01:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  B12 TV Payout Per School Over Time

21 - 23M
22 - 25M
23 - 27M (Texas and OU leave)
24 - 26M (BYU, Cincy, Houston, and UCF join for payment - it's a net $10 M annual hit to existing schools - damn good work)
25 - 28 M
26 - 30 M
27 - 32 M
28 - 34 M
29 - 36 M
30 - B12 need another contract

What you see here is the B12 essentially being held harmless for losing Texas and OU

ACC TV Payment Per School Over Time

21 - 26.3 (ACC Network partially in this year)
22 - 31 M (Reported by UNC - ACCN almost full in)
23 - 34 M (Full ACCN distribution return)
24 - 35.5 M
25 - 37 M
26 - 38.5 M
27 - 40 M
28 - 41.5 M
29 - 43 M
30 - ACC still 7-8 million ahead on just television

That is not an accurate projection. The Big 12 is already paying 28 million per member in media payouts and that will go up over the next few years via escalators.

There must be something in the Big 12 water that prevents you fellows from comparing anything apples to apples.

Your OWN IRS Form 990's show the following 20-21:

B12

Revenues:

TV 230 M
Bowls 75 M
NCAA 40 M
Title Game 3 M
Other 1.4 M

Total 349.4 M or total average per school of $34.9 M of which your regular TV contract is $23 M.

ACC

Revenues:

TV 397 M
Bowls 104 M
NCAA 64 M
Title Game 10 M
Other .8

Total $575.8 M or a total average per school of $38.4 M of which the regular TV contract is $26.5 M

These are numbers the conference offices sent to the IRS. Read them.

Where is that dumb*** coward Bearcats1 ? Where you hiding little man?

(05-18-2023 03:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 03:31 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 02:24 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  ESPN just threw more money at the Big 12 than they ever have and have more control over it than they ever have. The Sugar Bowl is staying with the Big 12. Especially with the numbers that Oklahoma State and Kansas State helped it draw in their matchups the last 2 years. It would not shock me if that was part of the TV agreement, maybe even part of Texas and OU leaving early. The Big 12 viewership is pretty high. And why would the SEC

I'd be shocked if the Big12 kept the Sugar Bowl post-OUTexit. We'll see.

I don't know which bowls the Big XII will keep. I just remember, aren't ALL of the bowls going to be hosting playoffs every year once the CFP expands? So technically all P5 conferences are about to lose their "contract" bowls. That will take away $27.5M from the ACC, but $40M from the Big XII... win for the ACC.

As our Miami friend would say ...

BOWLS SCHMOWLS - PLAYOFFS BABY

Thanks to Southen Conference Boy

From the ProPublica tax returns

Here is 2015 to 2020 ACC vs B12 Revenue. TV represented for both conferences representing about 58% of the value, football bowls representing 24% of value, and basketball representing 10% of value. Two things stood out.... ACC TV revenue is growing faster (red bar vs blue) and B12 is more susceptible to football bowl fluctuations (orange vs green bars).

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Then looking at per school payout I looked at the top earners from each conference (Oklahoma and Clemson) and the my UofL vs WVU.


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You could make the case for Clemson and Florida state that winning in the ACC and going to the playoffs is better than making $30 million more per year in the sec but going 7-5.

(05-19-2023 10:42 AM)bluesox Wrote:  You could make the case for Clemson and Florida state that winning in the ACC and going to the playoffs is better than making $30 million more per year in the sec but going 7-5.

I think $10-$15m gap makes that an easier pill to swallow. I’m hoping to get to 2036 with no more talks of mutiny and negotiate a better deal that makes everyone happy.

(05-19-2023 10:42 AM)bluesox Wrote:  You could make the case for Clemson and Florida state that winning in the ACC and going to the playoffs is better than making $30 million more per year in the sec but going 7-5.

True. And I think a few years ago most fans would've agreed that winning trumps money every time... but over a decade of hearing fans of the SEC, Big Ten, even the Big XII hammer away at their financial advantage has taken a toll on the collective psyche of ACC fans... it bothers them to hear their in-state rivals talk about having more money (even if they have fewer wins). It's psychological warfare and the other side is winning!

(05-19-2023 12:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 10:42 AM)bluesox Wrote:  You could make the case for Clemson and Florida state that winning in the ACC and going to the playoffs is better than making $30 million more per year in the sec but going 7-5.

True. And I think a few years ago most fans would've agreed that winning trumps money every time... but over a decade of hearing fans of the SEC, Big Ten, even the Big XII hammer away at their financial advantage has taken a toll on the collective psyche of ACC fans... it bothers them to hear their in-state rivals talk about having more money (even if they have fewer wins). It's psychological warfare and the other side is winning!

I hear no one who is an Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State fan crowing about their TV money. You crow about TV money when your school is losing football games. You talk about how beautiful your girlfriend, wife, daughter, dog, or horse is when you are losing football games. You talk about your beach house, lake house, mountain house and new deck addition when your school is losing football games.

When you are winning football games you talk football.

When I put on my specially made hat from Mr. Mike E. Velli I wonder if the AD at FSU is really as stupid as he sounded or if knew of no other way to shut up some of his boosters other than to prevaricate based on their poor reading ability and gin up an issue that was in fact already addressed in part. Is he so stupid as not to know distributions to all P-5 schools to the penny? He can assign an intern to that. His poster board powerpoint at the trustees meeting was so out of date and screwed up on numbers it appeared like a partisan poster board you see on the US House Floor when speeches are give at 2 AM in the morning.

Part of my wants to reject abject stupidity and look for some elegant subterfuge because if there is no subterfuge the world is being run by morons.