"David Teel
@ByDavidTeel

The ACC has released its 2021-22 tax return, which shows league-records for revenue ($617M), average distribution ($39.4M) and TV money ($443.7M). Pitt, the 2021 ACC football champion, received the most ($41.3M). #Hokies $40.4M, #UVa $39M. Story to folo."

(05-19-2023 02:14 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  "David Teel
@ByDavidTeel

The ACC has released its 2021-22 tax return, which shows league-records for revenue ($617M), average distribution ($39.4M) and TV money ($443.7M). Pitt, the 2021 ACC football champion, received the most ($41.3M). #Hokies $40.4M, #UVa $39M. Story to folo."

They lied - it was not $43M.

(05-19-2023 02:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 02:14 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  "David Teel
@ByDavidTeel

The ACC has released its 2021-22 tax return, which shows league-records for revenue ($617M), average distribution ($39.4M) and TV money ($443.7M). Pitt, the 2021 ACC football champion, received the most ($41.3M). #Hokies $40.4M, #UVa $39M. Story to folo."

They lied - it was not $43M.

They probably were talking about the current year 2022-23 (filing year 22). Why would they speculate about what had already been received by schools in 2021-22 (filing year 21)? They should have already received the 2021-22 distribution by summer 2022. It's only the official numbers in the 990 tax filing that the public was waiting on. Speculation on expectations of what would be received only makes sense for 2022-23 or beyond.

Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

(05-19-2023 03:06 PM)nole Wrote:  Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

Of Note:
- The league’s TV revenue has more than doubled in the past seven years and figures to increase markedly again in 2022-23, the first full fiscal year in which the nation’s leading cable provider, Xfinity/Comcast, carried the ACC Network.

- Pitt, the ACC’s 2021 football champion, received the largest share at $41.3 million. Virginia Tech collected $40.4 million, Virginia $39 million. Partial member Notre Dame received $17.4 million.

- The ACC’s record finances occurred during a year when its contracted New Year’s Six bowl, the Orange, hosted a College Football Playoff semifinal, meaning the league did not receive its usual $25 million payout from that event.


Link
https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...4f72d.html

(05-19-2023 03:14 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 03:06 PM)nole Wrote:  Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

Of Note:
- The league’s TV revenue has more than doubled in the past seven years and figures to increase markedly again in 2022-23, the first full fiscal year in which the nation’s leading cable provider, Xfinity/Comcast, carried the ACC Network.

- Pitt, the ACC’s 2021 football champion, received the largest share at $41.3 million. Virginia Tech collected $40.4 million, Virginia $39 million. Partial member Notre Dame received $17.4 million.

- The ACC’s record finances occurred during a year when its contracted New Year’s Six bowl, the Orange, hosted a College Football Playoff semifinal, meaning the league did not receive its usual $25 million payout from that event.


Link
https://richmond.com/sports/college/teel...4f72d.html

Mr. Phillips there is an iceberg ahead.

(05-19-2023 03:06 PM)nole Wrote:  Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

I guess one would say that the ACC is #3 in total revenue and currently #4 in per school payout???

College A5/P5 conferences revenue Fiscal Year 2021-22:
B1G: $845.6 million
SEC:$802 million
ACC: $617 million
Pac-12: $580.9 million
Big 12: $480.6 million



Link
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...235450007/

(05-19-2023 04:52 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 03:06 PM)nole Wrote:  Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

I guess one would say that the ACC is #3 in total revenue and currently #4 in per school payout???

College A5/P5 conferences revenue Fiscal Year 2021-22:
B1G: $845.6 million
SEC:$802 million
ACC: $617 million
Pac-12: $580.9 million
Big 12: $480.6 million



Link
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...235450007/

No Orange Bowl and No one in the Playoff cost us about $27 M or about $1.9 million each. MD and Rutgers get significantly less by the way. They get $6 million less, and they owe loans.

(05-19-2023 03:06 PM)nole Wrote:  Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

I guess that ends the #3 payout argument. The Big 12 is setting itself up fir a 10 to 15 million per member increase due to expansion and expanded revenue streams. Still a distant 3rd but it cuts the gap significantly.

And the Big 12 is also part of the ESPN family so no they're not moving the Sugar Bowl to the ACC.

(05-19-2023 05:05 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 04:52 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 03:06 PM)nole Wrote:  Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

I guess one would say that the ACC is #3 in total revenue and currently #4 in per school payout???

College A5/P5 conferences revenue Fiscal Year 2021-22:
B1G: $845.6 million
SEC:$802 million
ACC: $617 million
Pac-12: $580.9 million
Big 12: $480.6 million



Link
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...235450007/

No Orange Bowl and No one in the Playoff cost us about $27 M or about $1.9 million each. MD and Rutgers get significantly less by the way. They get $6 million less, and they owe loans.

wherever U go ...
OB sure to follow ...

THAT REMINDS ME

(05-19-2023 05:26 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 03:06 PM)nole Wrote:  Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

I guess that ends the #3 payout argument. The Big 12 is setting itself up fir a 10 to 15 million per member increase due to expansion and expanded revenue streams. Still a distant 3rd but it cuts the gap significantly.

And the Big 12 is also part of the ESPN family so no they're not moving the Sugar Bowl to the ACC.

Obviously West Virginia is doing something to the water in the Ohio River. https://www.si.com/college/tcu/football/...fox-sports

When your new TV contract comes into effect it pays out an AVERAGE of $380 M per year to 12 schools. That is $31.7 m per school per year for six years. You will not get paid $31.7 m each year, instead you will get $25, 27, 29, 31, 33, 35 - understand. In 20-21 you got 23 M per school from your current TV contract. That was a bad year for your TV.

As Texas and OU exit, you are resetting essentially held harmless when their exit fee is paid to you but you remain behind the ACC.

The per school TV number for the ACC in 22 is 30.7M (just tv). It will go up next year, and the next. At a 4% ratchet the ACC is at $33 m in tv when your contract resets and pays you 25M.

What you really need to examine is the percentage of TV that is your annual revenue stream. The B12's seems to be going down, the ACC's is going up. The obvious explanation is that much of the B12 revenue stream is tied to the Sugar Bowl - almost $2 million more per school than the ACC's Orange deal.


But the real issue is that discussing a Big 12 without the inclusion of the Elephant in the Room - Texas and OU - is disingenuous. Losing the two probably cost the remaining school 6-9 million a year in TV per school had there been a contract renewal with the two.


In 2030 with OU and Texas the Big 12 schools are probably making 52 M per school for TV. As it is you will making 35 M.

12 times 35 M = $420 M
10 times 52-M = $520 M

Hey, there's that $100 M that Texas and OU took out of your pocket.

The entire B12 affair is a great lesson on making chicken salad out of chicken ****. I suspect the B12 schools will be better off in the long run because the disparity between everything that is Texas and everyone else is destabilizing.

(05-19-2023 05:26 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 03:06 PM)nole Wrote:  Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

I guess that ends the #3 payout argument. The Big 12 is setting itself up fir a 10 to 15 million per member increase due to expansion and expanded revenue streams. Still a distant 3rd but it cuts the gap significantly.

And the Big 12 is also part of the ESPN family so no they're not moving the Sugar Bowl to the ACC.

The Big12 will not keep the sugar bowl.

If you really think the Big12 is an equal member of the ESPN family with the other two that have joint venture linear networks with ESPN, then no amount of logic or facts will penetrate your rock hard skull. Has ESPN ever considered doing a linear network with the Big12, even when OU and Texas were still there? Nope, they did the Longhorn network instead.

I love our Big12 friends "peacocking" over here.

So, what if the Big12 or ACC makes more? They are all within the same ball park. The issue is keeping up with the SEC (I don’t care about the BigTen as much).

(05-19-2023 05:26 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 03:06 PM)nole Wrote:  Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

I guess that ends the #3 payout argument. The Big 12 is setting itself up fir a 10 to 15 million per member increase due to expansion and expanded revenue streams. Still a distant 3rd but it cuts the gap significantly.

And the Big 12 is also part of the ESPN family so no they're not moving the Sugar Bowl to the ACC.

That the Big XII with only ten schools to pay—two of which were Texas and Oklahoma—had a higher individual payout than the 15-school ACC one season? I mean sure, I would believe that.

(05-19-2023 05:26 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 03:06 PM)nole Wrote:  Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

I guess that ends the #3 payout argument. The Big 12 is setting itself up fir a 10 to 15 million per member increase due to expansion and expanded revenue streams. Still a distant 3rd but it cuts the gap significantly.

And the Big 12 is also part of the ESPN family so no they're not moving the Sugar Bowl to the ACC.

Wait, are you saying that the Big12 payouts are about to increase by $10m to $15m per team after the expansion? For Cincinnati, BYU, Houston, and UCF? Really? I call BS.

(05-20-2023 01:38 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 05:26 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(05-19-2023 03:06 PM)nole Wrote:  Per-school distributions:
B1G: $58.8M, with slightly less for Neb, UMd, Rutgers
SEC: $49.9M
Big 12: $42M to $44.9M
ACC: $37.9M to $41.3M
Pac-12: $37M

So ACC is #4 now.

3 or 4 doesn't matter. The growing gap with the P2 is a problem only growing

I guess that ends the #3 payout argument. The Big 12 is setting itself up fir a 10 to 15 million per member increase due to expansion and expanded revenue streams. Still a distant 3rd but it cuts the gap significantly.

And the Big 12 is also part of the ESPN family so no they're not moving the Sugar Bowl to the ACC.

Wait, are you saying that the Big12 payouts are about to increase by $10m to $15m per team after the expansion? For Cincinnati, BYU, Houston, and UCF? Really? I call BS.

me too

(05-18-2023 05:04 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 02:19 PM)CatsClaw1 Wrote:  

(05-18-2023 01:07 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  B12 TV Payout Per School Over Time

21 - 23M
22 - 25M
23 - 27M (Texas and OU leave)
24 - 26M (BYU, Cincy, Houston, and UCF join for payment - it's a net $10 M annual hit to existing schools - damn good work)
25 - 28 M
26 - 30 M
27 - 32 M
28 - 34 M
29 - 36 M
30 - B12 need another contract

What you see here is the B12 essentially being held harmless for losing Texas and OU

ACC TV Payment Per School Over Time

21 - 26.3 (ACC Network partially in this year)
22 - 31 M (Reported by UNC - ACCN almost full in)
23 - 34 M (Full ACCN distribution return)
24 - 35.5 M
25 - 37 M
26 - 38.5 M
27 - 40 M
28 - 41.5 M
29 - 43 M
30 - ACC still 7-8 million ahead on just television

That is not an accurate projection. The Big 12 is already paying 28 million per member in media payouts and that will go up over the next few years via escalators.

There must be something in the Big 12 water that prevents you fellows from comparing anything apples to apples.

Your OWN IRS Form 990's show the following 20-21:

B12

Revenues:

TV 230 M
Bowls 75 M
NCAA 40 M
Title Game 3 M
Other 1.4 M

Total 349.4 M or total average per school of $34.9 M of which your regular TV contract is $23 M.

ACC

Revenues:

TV 397 M
Bowls 104 M
NCAA 64 M
Title Game 10 M
Other .8

Total $575.8 M or a total average per school of $38.4 M of which the regular TV contract is $26.5 M

These are numbers the conference offices sent to the IRS. Read them.

Where is that dumb*** coward Bearcats1 ? Where you hiding little man?

You know facts and hard numbers are not allowed on a fan site. Just because they are real and prove points does not mean it is appropriate to post unbiased facts. You may harm the fragile egos of sensitive, emotional fans. So, no more posting of the truth, only post what makes others feel good! [sarcasm, not to be taken seriously]

Critical football theory is tearing this message board apart.