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(07-05-2023 08:32 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Let's face it.

Verbal commitments don't mean crap. So perhaps we shouldn't start jumping up and down until guys sign on the dotted line.

Not only do people jump up and down about verbal commits, but some also get all geeked up about official visits. I've never understood that.

you don't get excited when some of the best in the country want to see what your school has to offer?

(07-05-2023 09:57 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 09:51 AM)cincy7718 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 08:30 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(07-03-2023 02:46 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(07-02-2023 05:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Well that is awkward.

Stealing players from inside the new league. Very bad form. Very real chance that UCF ends up in last place for both football and hoops this first year in the B12.

Not one bit in HS recruiting as long as I’ve been alive and am pretty sure long before I was born it wasn’t looked down upon to get a kid to switch from an in conference school no matter which conference including SEC and Big Ten.

Transfers is another thing and those “rules” are definitely out the window these days.

Urban Meyer brought this practice to the Big10, and it was definitely looked down upon. Other Big10 coaches were pissed.

Urban Meyer poaches Big10 recruits

Big Ten wha wha wha so he brought SEC style recruiting to modern Big Ten. Michigan and Bucks were battling for the same Ohio recruits for a long long time before Urby ever showed up and would have to check but would think one school wouldn’t layoff after an initial commitment between those two. Again, would have to check.

lol wha wha all you want. Targeting players committed to conference foes has only recently become normal practice.

(07-05-2023 12:03 PM)cincy7718 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 09:57 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 09:51 AM)cincy7718 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 08:30 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(07-03-2023 02:46 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Stealing players from inside the new league. Very bad form. Very real chance that UCF ends up in last place for both football and hoops this first year in the B12.

Not one bit in HS recruiting as long as I’ve been alive and am pretty sure long before I was born it wasn’t looked down upon to get a kid to switch from an in conference school no matter which conference including SEC and Big Ten.

Transfers is another thing and those “rules” are definitely out the window these days.

Urban Meyer brought this practice to the Big10, and it was definitely looked down upon. Other Big10 coaches were pissed.

Urban Meyer poaches Big10 recruits

Big Ten wha wha wha so he brought SEC style recruiting to modern Big Ten. Michigan and Bucks were battling for the same Ohio recruits for a long long time before Urby ever showed up and would have to check but would think one school wouldn’t layoff after an initial commitment between those two. Again, would have to check.

lol wha wha all you want. Targeting players committed to conference foes has only recently become normal practice.

Per that article it was specifically Wisco’s Brett and Mich St. Dantonio that expressed their displeasure and even per that article Dantonio took back his statements. Other small Big Ten schools blasted Rich Rod while at Michigan before for still recruiting a kid even if committed per that article anyways so it was nothing new just wah wah wah.

If you want to win a national championship, you have to recruit like Bama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Texas, Okie, Clemson, USC, etc and go after the best. Looks to me like Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State were well aware of that. So yeah wah wah wah from the small Big Ten schools that should blame themself for not being able to hold on or the kid for not keeping his word. Maybe that’s why the Buckeyes are only Big Ten school to win a national championship (2) since 2000.

It’s common place and I’m 99% sure it was common place specifically between Ohio State and Michigan going way back since Michigan won so many championships with a key core of Ohio kids.

Either way it’s 100% nothing new now among all schools and see nothing wrong with UCF or the kid. I just wouldn’t commit somewhere until my visits are all over and I’m 100% sure instead of playing the game from the players perspective but I also don’t blame him if that’s what he wants to do.

I don’t remember anyone here ever complaining on the switches the Bearcats have pulled off. Cam Calhoun last year for example until Fick left and he switched again.

Also, that article is a decade old anyways. If you want to compete then you must play by the same rules the blue bloods do. I do agree transferring within conference I still find odd but HS recruiting na and never did myself.

(07-05-2023 08:32 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Let's face it.

Verbal commitments don't mean crap. So perhaps we shouldn't start jumping up and down until guys sign on the dotted line.

Which is why I said:

Quote:Yup.
A "verbal commitment" isn't worth the paper it's written on.
(Channeling my inner Yogi Berra)

Not that I wasn't excited to get the "verbal commitment," but still...

(07-05-2023 10:03 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 08:32 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Let's face it.

Verbal commitments don't mean crap. So perhaps we shouldn't start jumping up and down until guys sign on the dotted line.

Not only do people jump up and down about verbal commits, but some also get all geeked up about official visits. I've never understood that.

The other thing that drives me nuts are the "Crystal Ball" projections.

Let's face it, these young men are young and can be "all in" on a school, and then suddenly whip out a cap from a different school. It happens. So the whole "Crystal Ball" thing is really, IMO, not something to get all excited over, but people often do and start counting the chickens before the eggs have even been laid.

One final note on the Birdsong saga, in particular...

He's only "Verbally" Committed to UCF at the moment...just like he was to UC. Anything can happen as the summer and the fall draws on; until that LOI is received in the AD's office, it's all fair game. If 'Bama or Notre Dame or Georgia come sniffing around, he'll drop UCF quicker than he dropped us...

And then there's the very real problem that all these rankings are just speculation. What was the name of the kid we had committed here back in the BK years...6'3", speedy receiver...? Got on campus, didn't make grades, and was busted breaking into dorm rooms and stealing PS2's... Outside of a spring game, never saw action for us...was kicked out of UC and eventually got arrested in some sort of shooting incident...

Point is, you can be the "Hot Kid" coming out of high school and never live up to your potential. Injuries happen. Legalities happen. And, how many of these kids are hot s*** at the HS level, but put them on a field with equal and better competition suddenly are middling to below-average?

I'll not say "Good luck" to Mr. Birdsong, but I'm not going to cry over him either. Maybe he has a great career, maybe he doesn't. The odds are more towards the latter and whatever the case, he's not our problem now. There will always be another "hot s***" kid waiting in line.

the space university thing is tacky. ucf is so desperate for national relevance. we're more than a directional!

(07-05-2023 03:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  One final note on the Birdsong saga, in particular...

He's only "Verbally" Committed to UCF at the moment...just like he was to UC. Anything can happen as the summer and the fall draws on; until that LOI is received in the AD's office, it's all fair game. If 'Bama or Notre Dame or Georgia come sniffing around, he'll drop UCF quicker than he dropped us...

And then there's the very real problem that all these rankings are just speculation. What was the name of the kid we had committed here back in the BK years...6'3", speedy receiver...? Got on campus, didn't make grades, and was busted breaking into dorm rooms and stealing PS2's... Outside of a spring game, never saw action for us...was kicked out of UC and eventually got arrested in some sort of shooting incident...

Point is, you can be the "Hot Kid" coming out of high school and never live up to your potential. Injuries happen. Legalities happen. And, how many of these kids are hot s*** at the HS level, but put them on a field with equal and better competition suddenly are middling to below-average?

I'll not say "Good luck" to Mr. Birdsong, but I'm not going to cry over him either. Maybe he has a great career, maybe he doesn't. The odds are more towards the latter and whatever the case, he's not our problem now. There will always be another "hot s***" kid waiting in line.

Akise Teague was a RB and Mr. Football Ohio who was caught stealing Laptops

Nick Truesdell was a tall WR from Anderson I believe who was caught role-playing Axel Foley in a nice home on the east side for a few weeks.

(04-18-2023 02:46 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-18-2023 02:34 PM)Lush Wrote:  gotta sign first

Yup.

A "verbal commitment" isn't worth the paper it's written on.
(Channeling my inner Yogi Berra)

(07-05-2023 11:05 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 03:33 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  One final note on the Birdsong saga, in particular...

He's only "Verbally" Committed to UCF at the moment...just like he was to UC. Anything can happen as the summer and the fall draws on; until that LOI is received in the AD's office, it's all fair game. If 'Bama or Notre Dame or Georgia come sniffing around, he'll drop UCF quicker than he dropped us...

And then there's the very real problem that all these rankings are just speculation. What was the name of the kid we had committed here back in the BK years...6'3", speedy receiver...? Got on campus, didn't make grades, and was busted breaking into dorm rooms and stealing PS2's... Outside of a spring game, never saw action for us...was kicked out of UC and eventually got arrested in some sort of shooting incident...

Point is, you can be the "Hot Kid" coming out of high school and never live up to your potential. Injuries happen. Legalities happen. And, how many of these kids are hot s*** at the HS level, but put them on a field with equal and better competition suddenly are middling to below-average?

I'll not say "Good luck" to Mr. Birdsong, but I'm not going to cry over him either. Maybe he has a great career, maybe he doesn't. The odds are more towards the latter and whatever the case, he's not our problem now. There will always be another "hot s***" kid waiting in line.

Akise Teague was a RB and Mr. Football Ohio who was caught stealing Laptops

Nick Truesdell was a tall WR from Anderson I believe who was caught role-playing Axel Foley in a nice home on the east side for a few weeks.

Thanks.

(07-05-2023 02:08 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 12:03 PM)cincy7718 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 09:57 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 09:51 AM)cincy7718 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 08:30 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  Not one bit in HS recruiting as long as I’ve been alive and am pretty sure long before I was born it wasn’t looked down upon to get a kid to switch from an in conference school no matter which conference including SEC and Big Ten.

Transfers is another thing and those “rules” are definitely out the window these days.

Urban Meyer brought this practice to the Big10, and it was definitely looked down upon. Other Big10 coaches were pissed.

Urban Meyer poaches Big10 recruits

Big Ten wha wha wha so he brought SEC style recruiting to modern Big Ten. Michigan and Bucks were battling for the same Ohio recruits for a long long time before Urby ever showed up and would have to check but would think one school wouldn’t layoff after an initial commitment between those two. Again, would have to check.

lol wha wha all you want. Targeting players committed to conference foes has only recently become normal practice.

Per that article it was specifically Wisco’s Brett and Mich St. Dantonio that expressed their displeasure and even per that article Dantonio took back his statements. Other small Big Ten schools blasted Rich Rod while at Michigan before for still recruiting a kid even if committed per that article anyways so it was nothing new just wah wah wah.

If you want to win a national championship, you have to recruit like Bama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Texas, Okie, Clemson, USC, etc and go after the best. Looks to me like Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State were well aware of that. So yeah wah wah wah from the small Big Ten schools that should blame themself for not being able to hold on or the kid for not keeping his word. Maybe that’s why the Buckeyes are only Big Ten school to win a national championship (2) since 2000.

It’s common place and I’m 99% sure it was common place specifically between Ohio State and Michigan going way back since Michigan won so many championships with a key core of Ohio kids.

Either way it’s 100% nothing new now among all schools and see nothing wrong with UCF or the kid. I just wouldn’t commit somewhere until my visits are all over and I’m 100% sure instead of playing the game from the players perspective but I also don’t blame him if that’s what he wants to do.

I don’t remember anyone here ever complaining on the switches the Bearcats have pulled off. Cam Calhoun last year for example until Fick left and he switched again.

Also, that article is a decade old anyways. If you want to compete then you must play by the same rules the blue bloods do. I do agree transferring within conference I still find odd but HS recruiting na and never did myself.

you seem to be under the impression that i care about the practice or that i need the reasoning for it explained lol. i dont. i just pointed out that it wasnt the college football norm, and especially not in the big10 as you said. which is why others on here called it a bad look, because in the past it was. you also seem to be conflating recruiting kids that are uncommitted (which every school has always done, especially against rivals like your osu/michigan example) vs recruiting athletes that are verbally committed. further seem to conflate flipping a commitment from a non conference school with one from a conference foe. cam calhoun, as your example, was committed to wvu -not a same conference flip, then left here for michigan -also not a conference flip. regardless, that was well after urban meyer had changed recruiting in this part of the country so it wouldnt have been relevant to my comment even if he was. thanks for explaining that its now normal and that you dont have a problem with it. I agree completely and have this entire time. and since urban made that the normal practice in the bigten, any school not doing it is putting themselves at a disadvantage

(07-06-2023 10:41 AM)cincy7718 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 02:08 PM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 12:03 PM)cincy7718 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 09:57 AM)natibeast2.0 Wrote:  

(07-05-2023 09:51 AM)cincy7718 Wrote:  Urban Meyer brought this practice to the Big10, and it was definitely looked down upon. Other Big10 coaches were pissed.

Urban Meyer poaches Big10 recruits

Big Ten wha wha wha so he brought SEC style recruiting to modern Big Ten. Michigan and Bucks were battling for the same Ohio recruits for a long long time before Urby ever showed up and would have to check but would think one school wouldn’t layoff after an initial commitment between those two. Again, would have to check.

lol wha wha all you want. Targeting players committed to conference foes has only recently become normal practice.

Per that article it was specifically Wisco’s Brett and Mich St. Dantonio that expressed their displeasure and even per that article Dantonio took back his statements. Other small Big Ten schools blasted Rich Rod while at Michigan before for still recruiting a kid even if committed per that article anyways so it was nothing new just wah wah wah.

If you want to win a national championship, you have to recruit like Bama, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Texas, Okie, Clemson, USC, etc and go after the best. Looks to me like Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State were well aware of that. So yeah wah wah wah from the small Big Ten schools that should blame themself for not being able to hold on or the kid for not keeping his word. Maybe that’s why the Buckeyes are only Big Ten school to win a national championship (2) since 2000.

It’s common place and I’m 99% sure it was common place specifically between Ohio State and Michigan going way back since Michigan won so many championships with a key core of Ohio kids.

Either way it’s 100% nothing new now among all schools and see nothing wrong with UCF or the kid. I just wouldn’t commit somewhere until my visits are all over and I’m 100% sure instead of playing the game from the players perspective but I also don’t blame him if that’s what he wants to do.

I don’t remember anyone here ever complaining on the switches the Bearcats have pulled off. Cam Calhoun last year for example until Fick left and he switched again.

Also, that article is a decade old anyways. If you want to compete then you must play by the same rules the blue bloods do. I do agree transferring within conference I still find odd but HS recruiting na and never did myself.

you seem to be under the impression that i care about the practice or that i need the reasoning for it explained lol. i dont. i just pointed out that it wasnt the college football norm, and especially not in the big10 as you said. which is why others on here called it a bad look, because in the past it was. you also seem to be conflating recruiting kids that are uncommitted (which every school has always done, especially against rivals like your osu/michigan example) vs recruiting athletes that are verbally committed. further seem to conflate flipping a commitment from a non conference school with one from a conference foe. cam calhoun, as your example, was committed to wvu -not a same conference flip, then left here for michigan -also not a conference flip. regardless, that was well after urban meyer had changed recruiting in this part of the country so it wouldnt have been relevant to my comment even if he was. thanks for explaining that its now normal and that you dont have a problem with it. I agree completely and have this entire time. and since urban made that the normal practice in the bigten, any school not doing it is putting themselves at a disadvantage

I’m not the one mad at UCF. And yes Cam and WV was a conference flip since he would be in Big 12 as a true frosh right now. Sure WV isn’t the backyard brawl but I consider them a slight rival. No I’m not conflating non commits and verbal commits.

Agree to disagree since it’s a stupid conversation since everyone is doing it now (last decade at minimum) and blue bloods have been doing it long before. That’s part of what use to make signing day exciting was seeing if schools could make a flip along with getting a player that had yet to commit.