(01-23-2023 11:18 AM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, Luckey, you can delete the duplicate thread by hitting the RED X which prompts to delete.

Steve,

On my screen there’s no red X.

(01-23-2023 12:01 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 11:18 AM)emu steve Wrote:  BTW, Luckey, you can delete the duplicate thread by hitting the RED X which prompts to delete.

Steve,

On my screen there’s no red X.

There should be a Red X when you go to edit for any post you made. You must, of course, be logged on.

You should see: EDIT X REPLY + REPORT

That is to edit a post of yours, delete a post of yours, reply, + (is rate a post, I think), Report is report the post to an admin.

Think I got that correct.

(01-23-2023 10:42 AM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 07:32 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 04:01 AM)emu79 Wrote:  This worth repeating. Bates is not the solution to bringing EMU basketball back. Many of us thought he was but he isn't.

There is an interesting book to be done about this basketball season somewhere.

The team's record and constant ass kickings would seem to confirm this. Pretty self evident.

Noah Farrakhan wasn’t the solution to EMU basketball last year- that does not mean he was the problem either. This year Emoni Bates is not the solution to EMU- it also does not mean he is the problem, just to be clear and “worth repeating”.

Exactly!

(01-23-2023 11:44 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/EbachCarl/status/161...szzCQ&s=19
Carl you need to chill
I am sick and tired of it
It is a players health and safety
And you could care less
You are not a fan if this is how you support your teams players

Not the first time he's done this to an EMU student athlete. He is a disgrace.

Hello? Basketball recruiting? This is EMU. I like to order 13 Tim Bonds.

(01-23-2023 12:32 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 11:44 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/EbachCarl/status/161...szzCQ&s=19
Carl you need to chill
I am sick and tired of it
It is a players health and safety
And you could care less
You are not a fan if this is how you support your teams players

Not the first time he's done this to an EMU student athlete. He is a disgrace.

Edified, this is very insightful. Thank you. I agree Carl and some other fans need to rein in their emotions on this season.

(01-23-2023 11:44 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/EbachCarl/status/161...szzCQ&s=19
Carl you need to chill
I am sick and tired of it
It is a players health and safety
And you could care less
You are not a fan if this is how you support your teams players

Most of us are dads. I cannot speak for anyone else but if I read that garbage about my son, there would be a lively conversation about it, face to face at the game. I think Mr. Bates is showing some incredible restraint because "Fan" is pretty easy to find. If I was "Fan" I would be posting an apology to the Bates family now. That crossed a line. Good grief!

(01-23-2023 11:44 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/EbachCarl/status/161...szzCQ&s=19
Carl you need to chill
I am sick and tired of it
It is a players health and safety
And you could care less
You are not a fan if this is how you support your teams players

I care but can't stand over reacting.

(01-23-2023 11:44 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/EbachCarl/status/161...szzCQ&s=19
Carl you need to chill
I am sick and tired of it
It is a players health and safety
And you could care less
You are not a fan if this is how you support your teams players

Up yours I support the team not individual players and especially those that hide their heads in towels after playing poorly. Noah hit the floor a lot harder and tried to get back in. Emoni sat on the bench afterward BSing and laughing with another player sitting at the end of the bench. It wasn't until later di he even get a towel to put around his neck. They gave him no icepack. He laid back in his seat not even pretending to care about the game. He was the last one up and the first one to sit down. Only have half hearted hand slaps to a few of the player as they came off the court fot a timeout. He's the one that doesn't care about the team.

(01-23-2023 12:38 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Hello? Basketball recruiting? This is EMU. I like to order 13 Tim Bonds.

Hello EMU Eagle's Nest needs to cool the rhetoric. This is a public facing website and anyone who cares can read all of these posts.

No need to go 'blue sky' but let's be careful when things aren't going well and we need to be supportive of the program.

Piling on isn't constructive for the players, program, etc. and certainly isn't appealing to recruits.

(01-23-2023 05:02 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 12:38 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Hello? Basketball recruiting? This is EMU. I like to order 13 Tim Bonds.

Hello EMU Eagle's Nest needs to cool the rhetoric. This is a public facing website and anyone who cares can read all of these posts.

No need to go 'blue sky' but let's be careful when things aren't going well and we need to be supportive of the program.

Piling on isn't constructive for the players, program, etc. and certainly isn't appealing to recruits.

This coming from sunshine Steve. If you state facts he doesn't want you posting it.

(01-23-2023 03:30 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 11:44 AM)EdifiedVoyage6 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/EbachCarl/status/161...szzCQ&s=19
Carl you need to chill
I am sick and tired of it
It is a players health and safety
And you could care less
You are not a fan if this is how you support your teams players

Most of us are dads. I cannot speak for anyone else but if I read that garbage about my son, there would be a lively conversation about it, face to face at the game. I think Mr. Bates is showing some incredible restraint because "Fan" is pretty easy to find. If I was "Fan" I would be posting an apology to the Bates family now. That crossed a line. Good grief!

That is a very interesting point. I was not thinking about the parental perspective. It must be so hard as a parent to read a bunch of know-nothing-know-it-alls trashing your son on the world wide cyber sphere. But this is different because posters here are part of the EMU community- so probably stings even worse and the individuals are more identifiable/accessible. I think some of the senior citizens on this board don’t understand this.

(01-23-2023 05:05 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 05:02 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 12:38 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Hello? Basketball recruiting? This is EMU. I like to order 13 Tim Bonds.

Hello EMU Eagle's Nest needs to cool the rhetoric. This is a public facing website and anyone who cares can read all of these posts.

No need to go 'blue sky' but let's be careful when things aren't going well and we need to be supportive of the program.

Piling on isn't constructive for the players, program, etc. and certainly isn't appealing to recruits.

This coming from sunshine Steve. If you state facts he doesn't want you posting it.

Not true at all, “Super”Fan. All Steve is trying to do is encourage some kind of decency in posters conduct. Which is a hard thing to do since everyone has a differing opinion on what decency is. But some lines have clearly been crossed on this forum and it is time for everyone to calm down and reign it in. Posters can feel free to critique the coaching and the players performances and whatever. But why not do so in accurate, civil, and constructive manner? Not wholesale banishment of the team from EMU- although admittedly, this is one of the more innocuous comments from ‘79. It is still way past time to just tone it all down.

I applaud your efforts, Steve!!

(01-23-2023 05:05 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 05:02 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 12:38 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Hello? Basketball recruiting? This is EMU. I like to order 13 Tim Bonds.

Hello EMU Eagle's Nest needs to cool the rhetoric. This is a public facing website and anyone who cares can read all of these posts.

No need to go 'blue sky' but let's be careful when things aren't going well and we need to be supportive of the program.

Piling on isn't constructive for the players, program, etc. and certainly isn't appealing to recruits.

This coming from sunshine Steve. If you state facts he doesn't want you posting it.

Simply not true.

When a team with all the talent we have (according to other coaches and programs who recruited these players before they transferred here and outside recruiting experts) severely under performs their talent levels as a team its fair to ask why? There's a rot in our program this year for whatever reason and it needs to be removed.

Many of you have said you like to fire the coach. I like to fire some if not all of the players. In other words a fresh start all the way around. Continuing the way we are this season is a sure way to bury the program for years to come after its been buried far too long. Right now this program looks like an insane asylum to recruits and high school coaches. Who wants to feed their son or player into these disfunctional zoo?

You may not agree with my opinions or viewpoints but at least you can't say I don't care. I want to see this program reach MAC championship status and the NCAA.

(01-23-2023 06:54 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 05:05 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 05:02 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-23-2023 12:38 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Hello? Basketball recruiting? This is EMU. I like to order 13 Tim Bonds.

Hello EMU Eagle's Nest needs to cool the rhetoric. This is a public facing website and anyone who cares can read all of these posts.

No need to go 'blue sky' but let's be careful when things aren't going well and we need to be supportive of the program.

Piling on isn't constructive for the players, program, etc. and certainly isn't appealing to recruits.

This coming from sunshine Steve. If you state facts he doesn't want you posting it.

Not true at all, “Super”Fan. All Steve is trying to do is encourage some kind of decency in posters conduct. Which is a hard thing to do since everyone has a differing opinion on what decency is. But some lines have clearly been crossed on this forum and it is time for everyone to calm down and reign it in. Posters can feel free to critique the coaching and the players performances and whatever. But why not do so in accurate, civil, and constructive manner? Not wholesale banishment of the team from EMU- although admittedly, this is one of the more innocuous comments from ‘79. It is still way past time to just tone it all down.

I applaud your efforts, Steve!!

Ramy, Edified, Steve. Thanks for having a backbone and putting your foot down and saying it is unacceptable for a poster to go on Twitter and accusing a student athlete of faking an injury. The irony of an EMU "fan" drawing attention to himself as some sort of pseudo, ultimate EMU athletic supporter and simultaneously posting slander against an individual representing the university is not lost on some. Everyone else being silent about it, I think it is wrong. Support your student athletes. We all want to see more W's and we can critique performance but questioning a young man's level of pain or extent of injury? You lose me there.

So here's where i think the team goes moving forward :
1.) Do whatever they can to keep Bates and Farrakhan
2.) Find a third guy who can score and keep Bates out of double and triple coverage
3.) Get another defensive grinder. Bates leads the team in rebounding which seems weird?

79, I know you care. And more importantly I sincerely value the extensively informative side of your posting. That goes for most posters here as well. ‘79 raises a great point that this season is so dismal it is bound to hurt the program for some time to come. What recruit or parent would want to send their kid/player here with the current situation. Very true, but that is my point of treating the players with more respect.

What is a bigger zoo than the team at this moment is the fan base on this forum (or at least several posters). You can change the Coach, you can change the players, but what parent wants to send their kid to play at a school whose VERY LIMITED fan base are represented by a bunch of over opinionated jerks on this forum as we seem to be when we publicly say things like:

“this player doesn’t belong in D1”
“that player has a low bbiq”
“Ray Lee a player from five or 10 years ago had ruined EMU basketball forever with his poor attitude.”
“this or that player is a cancer”

Ray Lee played some pro ball, but now is just looking for normal jobs. When a prospective employer searches his name, this forum does comes up in the search. They are literally going to find overly strong and PROBABLY WRONG opinions on his character from years on this forum. What player or parent wants to read that or have others read that. And the same posters are now doing the same things with Emoni Bates but EVEN WORSE.

If you want to say Emoni Bates (or any other player) needs to develop his defense or improve his shot selection. No doubt. But if you want to obsessively scrutinize how he conducts himself in a huddle and then extrapolate his personality and character flaws out of it and make it a public statement- well, that is conjecture at best but more likely slander. What player or parent wants to come to a situation where this is what their LIMITED fanbase are like.

This is not about Emoni Bates. I brought this up last year too when some people would more passively deride McBride as not D1 capable (he is a strong contributor at a solid Youngstown State team right now, btw) or the same to Binelli (who played pro back in Italy this past year). These were people’s opinions, and were clearly wrong. So how about some restraint?

EMU does not have a media presence. We have some solid Twitter alternative journalists in theVanZee, SideLines, etc who do a great job and are very professional in their decorum. And we have this Forum. If a prospective player or parent wants to scope out EMU, they will probably find this forum before they find the Twitter accounts. So why not present the EMU community as one that not only is interested in good basketball but has patience and respect for the players as they develop. That would be a place I would want to send my kids. Not one that is so ready to slander and get rid of my kid as if you are dumping a losing commodity.

I know everyone here is a decent person. I just don’t think that everyone is thinking through their conclusions and regardless of those conclusions are not showing enough discretion with what they are saying. This forum is hurting the EMU basketball program far more than the dismal play on the court. I am not trying to frown on critique of the team, nor enter into debate with anyone on this, just describing why it is I keep defending these players. I see them as human beings that belong to the community of my alma mater. A community that I love very much. I ask you all to treat these young men fairly and respectfully. Because it will help with recruiting, and more importantly because it is the right thing to do.

(01-24-2023 09:39 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  So here's where i think the team goes moving forward :
1.) Do whatever they can to keep Bates and Farrakhan
2.) Find a third guy who can score and keep Bates out of double and triple coverage
3.) Get another defensive grinder. Bates leads the team in rebounding which seems weird?

That is exactly the plan
Although I wouldn't be surprised is there was a 4th bullet where we get a new coach
Not actual news
Just a suspicion I have
I have no info to back that up that suspicion either

I agree with the post above and want to ADD:

In the MBB program, one person is on the inside (that would be Miggy). For WBB, presumably no one.

Therefore we are all on the outside try to ascertain what's going on in the locker room. What we are doing is working backwards. If the team is successful, all is well. If the team is not, then start pointing fingers.

I have no idea who has nagging injuries. Who has personal problems. Academic problems? Whatever.