(10-07-2022 07:02 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-07-2022 03:50 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Great program with a really fast rise since they have only been a program 10 years. Generally good at football, great at baseball, and Atlanta market and near that airport. Large student population and economically better off than other CUSA addition contenders.

Lol...wut...

Is this DavidSt??? Or FloridaJag???

What airport are they near?

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To be honest, the bold says a lot, and not in a good way. A good amount of FBS teams which are well supported do not have commercial air service within 45 minutes of the school. VA Tech uses ROA, a regional airport with limited carriers. JMU primarily charters out of SHD (Shenandoah Valley Airport). If flying commercial we go to Charlottesville (another regional airport) or up to D.C. for a major airport. App State Primarily uses Charlotte which is 1:45 away. I can pull up a ton of schools who pack their stadiums, on Saturday afternoons, without major commercial service nearby. To be honest, the thought of needing a large airport is the same thoughts as going after media markets, which simply doesn't work for CFB.

Just ask the South Alabama fans how many fans were in the stands for the UCLA game with the understanding that there's a number of large airports in that area. The photo below demonstrates why having an airport close by means nothing.

Throughout my college education, I've attended about 7 or 8 different colleges, including KSU. KSU is geographically more well positioned than any college in GA, IMO. When I went it was a true commuter school but watching the explosive growth over the last 25 years in my backyard has been pretty amazing. I for one am looking forward to seeing how they do.

(10-08-2022 04:11 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-07-2022 07:02 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-07-2022 03:50 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  Great program with a really fast rise since they have only been a program 10 years. Generally good at football, great at baseball, and Atlanta market and near that airport. Large student population and economically better off than other CUSA addition contenders.

Lol...wut...

Is this DavidSt??? Or FloridaJag???

What airport are they near?

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To be honest, the bold says a lot, and not in a good way. A good amount of FBS teams which are well supported do not have commercial air service within 45 minutes of the school. VA Tech uses ROA, a regional airport with limited carriers. JMU primarily charters out of SHD (Shenandoah Valley Airport). If flying commercial we go to Charlottesville (another regional airport) or up to D.C. for a major airport. App State Primarily uses Charlotte which is 1:45 away. I can pull up a ton of schools who pack their stadiums, on Saturday afternoons, without major commercial service nearby. To be honest, the thought of needing a large airport is the same thoughts as going after media markets, which simply doesn't work for CFB.

Just ask the South Alabama fans how many fans were in the stands for the UCLA game with the understanding that there's a number of large airports in that area. The photo below demonstrates why having an airport close by means nothing.

This is an embarrassment to the PAC12 and the BIG

Judy wants Marketz

Airport access does help for cost savings, convenience, and reducing overall travel time.

They do nothing to boost attendance.

(10-08-2022 06:34 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Judy wants Marketz

I couldn’t make this stuff up if I was trying to write a comedy.

The most hilarious part? The same Liberty fans that mocked Coastal’s move to FBS because we didn’t “have enough fans” are now talking about how this is a great move for KSU and CUSA.

So Coastal, who is averaging 17k fans a game was a bad move up to FBS, but KSU, who averages closer to 5k, is a “great move.”

Amazing.

If they had any sense , they'd present a group package to NDSU, South D St, Montana, and Montana St to bring those four in for football only. The Dakota State's could stay in the Summit for non-football. The Montanas could stay in the Big Sky, go to the WAC, or try for the Big West. They have the expanded CFP access to sell. Any of those four, along with Liberty, are capable of making it there. C-USA would get a giant shot in the arm.

So of course they won't even try. I think their next addition may be the University of New Orleans. They're considering starting football.

I don't think anyone is saying KSU's move to CUSA is a great move. FCS is dying faster than America, who can blame them for reaching up to something that has more life than the FCS? That is not a compliment to CUSA at all, but should CUSA fail the remnants of it will have a better chance of landing somewhere more favorable than any team in the FCS does. They're doing what they feel they need to do in order to survive. There's really not much to see here, nor is there much to discuss, imo.

(10-07-2022 07:11 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I do a lot of work in ATL, and those students at KSU don't give a crap about KSU. Most are hardcore Georgia fans. KSU is just a place for them to go to school, and that's about it.

They don't go to any athletic events unless Chick-fil-A food vouchers are being given away.

This won't be good for CUSA.

I was talking to someone about thisnealer this week before this story broke. I was saying that their level of support reminds me of when I was at GSU in the late 1980s. When we went to the NCAAs the first time in 1991 nobody cared. If we had started football back then it would have been as poorly supported as MBB was back then. KSU has been largely winning in their short football history and yet people I know who work for then have sent me game pics of their stadium 1/3 or 2/3 full. This is a seriously deep cut by CUSA to survive. And I can see why some traditional FCS powers like Delaware, Villanova or NDSU would steer clear of this. I hope they figure this all out because the last thing the state of Georgia needs is a black eye with a money draining athletic program.

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Would Atlanta be the second metro area with 3 FBS teams? Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill obviously has 3, but that's the only other area I'm aware of.

Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State...is there enough interest in Atlanta to successfully support 3 programs?


Edit: I forgot about Miami (Miami, FAU, FIU).

(10-08-2022 06:56 AM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 06:34 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  Judy wants Marketz

I couldn’t make this stuff up if I was trying to write a comedy.

The most hilarious part? The same Liberty fans that mocked Coastal’s move to FBS because we didn’t “have enough fans” are now talking about how this is a great move for KSU and CUSA.

So Coastal, who is averaging 17k fans a game was a bad move up to FBS, but KSU, who averages closer to 5k, is a “great move.”

Amazing.

if I were Liberty, I would be trying to convince myself of anything cusa is good....we all would, who can blame them for trying to make the most of a situation?

Kennesaw State at Georgia State will happen and nothing against G State, it won't sell because Atlanta sucks if you are not a Dawg

The AAC/cusa market model does not work

CUSA fans like this move.

Imagine telling them in 2019 that you’ll add Jax St and Kennesaw State and be happy about it.

(10-08-2022 07:45 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Would Atlanta be the second metro area with 3 FBS teams? Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill obviously has 3, but that's the only other area I'm aware of.

Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State...is there enough interest in Atlanta to successfully support 3 programs?


Edit: I forgot about Miami (Miami, FAU, FIU).

Dallas/Fort Worth has SMU, TCU and UNT.

(10-08-2022 07:45 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Would Atlanta be the second metro area with 3 FBS teams? Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill obviously has 3, but that's the only other area I'm aware of.

Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State...is there enough interest in Atlanta to successfully support 3 programs?


Edit: I forgot about Miami (Miami, FAU, FIU).

Relative to your post, this is an interesting article: https://saturdayblitz.com/2022/07/27/col...er-capita/

Georgia has a population of about 2.7 million per FBS school. We have 4 FBS teams at the moment. To put this in perspective, Texas has a population of 2.4 million per FBS school, and they have 12 FBS teams. Using these stats alone, Georgia could support anywhere from 7 to 12 FBS teams (!!). Do I think there's enough interest to sustain that many? Heck no.

Average attendance in 2021:
UGA: 92,736
Georgia Tech: 34,423
Georgia State: 18,280
Georgia Southern: 15,089

Kennesaw State had a record break homecoming crowd game that saw a grand total of 9,556 in attendance.

Based on those numbers, that means about 1.5% of the entire population of GA goes to a game on any given Saturday.

(10-08-2022 07:45 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Would Atlanta be the second metro area with 3 FBS teams? Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill obviously has 3, but that's the only other area I'm aware of.

Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State...is there enough interest in Atlanta to successfully support 3 programs?


Edit: I forgot about Miami (Miami, FAU, FIU).

San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose

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(10-08-2022 08:11 AM)stingingeagle Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 07:45 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Would Atlanta be the second metro area with 3 FBS teams? Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill obviously has 3, but that's the only other area I'm aware of.

Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State...is there enough interest in Atlanta to successfully support 3 programs?


Edit: I forgot about Miami (Miami, FAU, FIU).

Relative to your post, this is an interesting article: https://saturdayblitz.com/2022/07/27/col...er-capita/

Georgia has a population of about 2.7 million per FBS school. We have 4 FBS teams at the moment. To put this in perspective, Texas has a population of 2.4 million per FBS school, and they have 12 FBS teams. Using these stats alone, Georgia could support anywhere from 7 to 12 FBS teams (!!). Do I think there's enough interest to sustain that many? Heck no.

Average attendance in 2021:
UGA: 92,736
Georgia Tech: 34,423
Georgia State: 18,280
Georgia Southern: 15,089

Kennesaw State had a record break homecoming crowd game that saw a grand total of 9,556 in attendance.

Based on those numbers, that means about 1.5% of the entire population of GA goes to a game on any given Saturday.

Metro Atlanta has 6.5M people. I think everyone will be fine.

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(10-08-2022 08:09 AM)AppinVA Wrote:  

(10-08-2022 07:45 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  Would Atlanta be the second metro area with 3 FBS teams? Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill obviously has 3, but that's the only other area I'm aware of.

Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Kennesaw State...is there enough interest in Atlanta to successfully support 3 programs?


Edit: I forgot about Miami (Miami, FAU, FIU).

Dallas/Fort Worth has SMU, TCU and UNT.

The wider Bay Area, which could be argued is multiple metros depending on the definition, does have Cal, Stanford, and SJSU.

CUSA has to add because the future of WKU/MT is unknown. Adding KSU can help fill that void which will likely have to be filled in the coming years. All I know about their program is they are rock solid in baseball. I don’t necessarily agree with the add, but I get it.

Everyone will be okay. As a former FCS school I won’t complain about anyone moving up. It doesn’t directly affect us so let the Super Sun Belt 14 stay strong

(10-08-2022 07:06 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  If they had any sense , they'd present a group package to NDSU, South D St, Montana, and Montana St to bring those four in for football only. The Dakota State's could stay in the Summit for non-football. The Montanas could stay in the Big Sky, go to the WAC, or try for the Big West. They have the expanded CFP access to sell. Any of those four, along with Liberty, are capable of making it there. C-USA would get a giant shot in the arm.

So of course they won't even try. I think their next addition may be the University of New Orleans. They're considering starting football.

Crazy Idea Time. Since the Sun Belt schools are the new cool guys of the G5, they act as the conduit for the Big Sky/MVFC/Etc. schools to move up to eventually split back off once enough are in FBS. Then they create a partnership.