(08-10-2022 02:54 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 02:30 PM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  ESPN is going to put pieces in place where they will make them the most money. I see WVU and Cincy going to the ACC along with two other teams...probably some combo of Houston, Baylor, TCU and SMU.

People have been predicting this sort of thing for years but it never happens. Why? Probably, because it wouldn't increase net revenues per ACC school not to mention that it would be a geographic mess and not to mention that it would violate numerous contracts some of these schools have with the B12 and not to mention that those B12 schools can probably make about as much in the B12 as in the ACC giving them no motivation to switch conferences. But keep on dreaming, although it seems like a pathetic dream to me. We're not talking about U.S.C. or Texas here.

The ACC doesn't have any more USC or Texas moves - and didn't make them when it could have.

Pretty much the ONLY moves now are to lock up scarce commodities (like West Coast) and grab rivalries (like WVU) and teams with major upside potential (like Houston and Cincinnati).

(08-10-2022 12:58 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  ... AND WE'LL EVEN CHANGE THE CONFERENCE NAME TO NOTRE DAME WORLD!!! WILL YA JOIN NOW ???? WHADDA YA THINK ???

You're a guest here Bear Catlett, so play nice.

The PAC schools that are of any value all have hopes of an invite from the B1G. None of them are going to sign a 14 year GOR unless something happens that crushes their B1G hopes.

(08-10-2022 03:15 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 02:29 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 02:06 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  ND seems to enjoy football independence because it makes them unique. They want flexibility to schedule whomever they want…even if it means less payouts. The ACC won’t try to force ND to change; ND has to first express a desire for conference membership before the ACC risks adding Navy football.

Regardless of ND’s interests, working with the PAC or select PAC programs makes sense for the ACC and ESPN. This is an opportunity for Phillips to make a difference. IMHO, adding Stanford and Cal is a good expansion (it also makes more $en$e if Washington and Oregon join).

Correct, and that’s what I was trying to convey with my opening statement. This was not meant to be another Notre Dame thread, but it sort of became one because I think the ACC is in the position to become a national conference.

The TV network is in place, the entire east coast is covered and no other P5 can say that. IMO, moving into California and Texas at least solidifies the conference as #3 going forward regardless of what ND, the SEC, and Big Ten end up doing.

With ND’s AD complaining about travel, wait until USC/UCLA try out their new digs. The Big Ten is assuredly going west, and UW and UO are most likely the targets.

Agree on the bolded. At this point, the ACC could significantly increase revenue by transforming into a national conference. But becoming a national conference is not meant as a lure towards Notre Dame…it’s the means to generate value.

Transforming into a national entity can be done two ways:

1) Expansion - there are only a handful of individual programs that invest in college athletics at a level that helps the ACC…Washington, Stanford, Arizona State, Cal-Berkeley and Oregon. All the other schools are dilutive. The only reason to consider any other programs (e.g., Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor or WVU) is if ESPN is making a lucrative offer. The schools that help the ACC are in the PAC.

2) Partnership - the PAC has a complementary footprint and institutional profiles. They have the foundation that enables building brand equity.

The B1G opened a door by expanding with USC and UCLA. The ACC can also gain revenue by following this path to a national conference.

Agreed.

Any expansion has to include at least two of the following three: UO, UW, Stanford. If the ACC adds more than two schools, Cal, ASU, Colorado, Utah and maybe SDSU should be the next targets so that ACC can offer the late night game every week. As you know, the late night programming is something that ESPN would pay for and the SEC cannot provide.

If the ACC expands by six, then maybe one or two B12 schools can be included.

(08-10-2022 04:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Not to single anyone out because these are typical comments:

Quote:...Your solution is a band aid and small short term gains at best...

Quote:...laughing at ACC AD's talking about closing the revenue gap with piecemeal changes...

I get how frustrating it is to see the SEC and Big Ten so far in front of the ACC in terms of revenue - I do - but why all the complaining about what the ACC can do? I mean, "make it do what it do", you know?

Maybe our teams won't be in the same conference down the road. Maybe they will. Either way, I expect the league to do everything it can to help Virginia Tech succeed as long as we are in the ACC - whether that's another $20 million/year or another $2 million.

Maybe we need a special "whiner" thread? I just don't think we need to fill every single thread with whining...

Exactly. Well said, Hokie Mark.

There are three types of posters here on ACCbbs:

1- Do the best we can with what we got, and strive for more

2- Give up and point the finger because our program sucks (news flash, your program was tanking before TV revenue discrepancy was a thing. It won’t fix your internal problems, see Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Nebraska etc)

3- G5 fans desperate for a cookie

(08-10-2022 08:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 04:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Not to single anyone out because these are typical comments:

Quote:...Your solution is a band aid and small short term gains at best...

Quote:...laughing at ACC AD's talking about closing the revenue gap with piecemeal changes...

I get how frustrating it is to see the SEC and Big Ten so far in front of the ACC in terms of revenue - I do - but why all the complaining about what the ACC can do? I mean, "make it do what it do", you know?

Maybe our teams won't be in the same conference down the road. Maybe they will. Either way, I expect the league to do everything it can to help Virginia Tech succeed as long as we are in the ACC - whether that's another $20 million/year or another $2 million.

Maybe we need a special "whiner" thread? I just don't think we need to fill every single thread with whining...

Exactly. Well said, Hokie Mark.

There are three types of posters here on ACCbbs:

1- Do the best we can with what we got, and strive for more

2- Give up and point the finger because our program sucks (news flash, your program was tanking before TV revenue discrepancy was a thing. It won’t fix your internal problems, see Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Nebraska etc)

3- G5 fans desperate for a cookie

Amen

(08-10-2022 09:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 09:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I see the main principals of your post as:
1) create a better schedule of ACC opponents for ND to play, and
2) invite teams they play annually anyway so that the ACC TV contract can grow.

Your proposal - even with principal #1 only - would result in more ND/FSU, ND/Miami, and ND/Clemson, and less ND/Duke, etc. This is a good business decision, IMO. I creates 2 benefits:
a) better tv ratings & ticket sales for both the ACC and Notre Dame
b) fewer losses absorbed by the North Carolina foursome

Yes, exactly. Although the UNC-ND game did sell out immediately!

Anyone would have been laughed off the board a few months ago for suggesting Cal and Stanford as legitimate ACC expansion targets, but alas, here we are. Realistically, this is as good of an ACC slate as possible that we can offer Notre Dame at this point. It would also be a more geographically diverse schedule than the Big Ten, regardless of whether ND joins full-time or remains part-time.

I also like the idea of a couple Texas outposts; Houston because it's a mega market and the school (far from its ceiling) has proven they invest in athletics, and SMU because it's a mega market and the donors are proving they'll keep pace with NIL.

But XLance assured everyone often that "the bloom was off the rose" as far as ND traveling to ACC venues goes, that Tar Heel fans and others didn't really care if ND played there or not, a kind of a "ND fatigue" where ND was not that valuable to anyone in the ACC nowadays.

We were also told that the benefit of adding ND football only meant three more games a year and was not worth it for having to "put up" with the Irish as full members.

What happened to that?

(08-10-2022 08:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 04:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Not to single anyone out because these are typical comments:

Quote:...Your solution is a band aid and small short term gains at best...

Quote:...laughing at ACC AD's talking about closing the revenue gap with piecemeal changes...

I get how frustrating it is to see the SEC and Big Ten so far in front of the ACC in terms of revenue - I do - but why all the complaining about what the ACC can do? I mean, "make it do what it do", you know?

Maybe our teams won't be in the same conference down the road. Maybe they will. Either way, I expect the league to do everything it can to help Virginia Tech succeed as long as we are in the ACC - whether that's another $20 million/year or another $2 million.

Maybe we need a special "whiner" thread? I just don't think we need to fill every single thread with whining...

Exactly. Well said, Hokie Mark.

There are three four types of posters here on ACCbbs:

1- Do the best we can with what we got, and strive for more

2- Give up and point the finger because our program sucks (news flash, your program was tanking before TV revenue discrepancy was a thing. It won’t fix your internal problems, see Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Nebraska etc)

3- G5 fans desperate for a cookie

we deserve better ...

FEEL ENTITLED

(08-11-2022 07:19 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 09:57 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 09:40 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I see the main principals of your post as:
1) create a better schedule of ACC opponents for ND to play, and
2) invite teams they play annually anyway so that the ACC TV contract can grow.

Your proposal - even with principal #1 only - would result in more ND/FSU, ND/Miami, and ND/Clemson, and less ND/Duke, etc. This is a good business decision, IMO. I creates 2 benefits:
a) better tv ratings & ticket sales for both the ACC and Notre Dame
b) fewer losses absorbed by the North Carolina foursome

Yes, exactly. Although the UNC-ND game did sell out immediately!

Anyone would have been laughed off the board a few months ago for suggesting Cal and Stanford as legitimate ACC expansion targets, but alas, here we are. Realistically, this is as good of an ACC slate as possible that we can offer Notre Dame at this point. It would also be a more geographically diverse schedule than the Big Ten, regardless of whether ND joins full-time or remains part-time.

I also like the idea of a couple Texas outposts; Houston because it's a mega market and the school (far from its ceiling) has proven they invest in athletics, and SMU because it's a mega market and the donors are proving they'll keep pace with NIL.

But XLance assured everyone often that "the bloom was off the rose" as far as ND traveling to ACC venues goes, that Tar Heel fans and others didn't really care if ND played there or not, a kind of a "ND fatigue" where ND was not that valuable to anyone in the ACC nowadays.

We were also told that the benefit of adding ND football only meant three more games a year and was not worth it for having to "put up" with the Irish as full members.

What happened to that?

Maybe he's the eXception and not the rule?

(08-11-2022 07:53 AM)green Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 08:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 04:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Not to single anyone out because these are typical comments:

Quote:...Your solution is a band aid and small short term gains at best...

Quote:...laughing at ACC AD's talking about closing the revenue gap with piecemeal changes...

I get how frustrating it is to see the SEC and Big Ten so far in front of the ACC in terms of revenue - I do - but why all the complaining about what the ACC can do? I mean, "make it do what it do", you know?

Maybe our teams won't be in the same conference down the road. Maybe they will. Either way, I expect the league to do everything it can to help Virginia Tech succeed as long as we are in the ACC - whether that's another $20 million/year or another $2 million.

Maybe we need a special "whiner" thread? I just don't think we need to fill every single thread with whining...

Exactly. Well said, Hokie Mark.

There are three four types of posters here on ACCbbs:

1- Do the best we can with what we got, and strive for more

2- Give up and point the finger because our program sucks (news flash, your program was tanking before TV revenue discrepancy was a thing. It won’t fix your internal problems, see Rutgers, Maryland, Illinois, Nebraska etc)

3- G5 fans desperate for a cookie

we deserve better ...

FEEL ENTITLED

My bad


4- Cryptic Miami fans

(08-10-2022 01:08 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(08-10-2022 12:58 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  ... AND WE'LL EVEN CHANGE THE CONFERENCE NAME TO ARMY/AIR FORCE WORLD!!! WILL YA JOIN NOW ???? WHADDA YA THINK ???

NCAABBS orderlies?! Can you lock this man back up in his padded AAC cell please??

We don’t want him. That’s why we cut him loose.