Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech .... if not VT then Duke for tradition and win padding.

(05-04-2022 09:34 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Pitt vs Syracuse, VT & Miami

This... This would absolutely be Pitt's preference.

1. Syracuse (Pitt's 3rd most all-time played opponent and most-played ACC opponent. Pitt is Syracuse's most played all-time opponent. Played every season since 1950. Also will be each others' 3rd most played basketball opponent after next year.)

2. Miami (Miami is Pitt's 5th most-played opponent and are each other's 2nd most-played ACC opponent. Pitt is Miami's 3rd most-played opponent after FSU and UF. Miami was founded by Pitt faculty. Pitt wants access to south Florida recruiting and alumni.)

3. Virginia Tech. This is a game the fans enjoy and has some history of going back to the BE. If pressed, could swap for the Hoos.

Trivia note...Pitt is the most played football opponent for three different schools in three different conferences: WVU, PSU, and Syracuse. The only such school with that distinction.

For me as a BC alum/fan, my preferences would be: SU, Miami, Clemson

(05-04-2022 03:26 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 09:34 AM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Pitt vs Syracuse, VT & Miami

This... This would absolutely be Pitt's preference.

1. Syracuse (Pitt's 3rd most all-time played opponent and most-played ACC opponent. Pitt is Syracuse's most played all-time opponent. Played every season since 1950. Also will be each others' 3rd most played basketball opponent after next year.)

2. Miami (Miami is Pitt's 5th most-played opponent and are each other's 2nd most-played ACC opponent. Pitt is Miami's 3rd most-played opponent after FSU and UF. Miami was founded by Pitt faculty. Pitt wants access to south Florida recruiting and alumni.)

3. Virginia Tech. This is a game the fans enjoy and has some history of going back to the BE. If pressed, could swap for the Hoos.

Trivia note...Pitt is the most played football opponent for three different schools in three different conferences: WVU, PSU, and Syracuse. The only such school with that distinction.

In terms of rivalry, WVU would really work well in the ACC. Pitt, VT and either Cuse or Louisville would be its three permanent rivals.

But no, I don’t think it will happen.

Would love to see Louisville have the opportunity to play VT on a regular basis them being old rival back in the Metro and being the closes ACC school for fan travel. Either one of the Florida schools to keep up our presence there for recruiting, and personally wouldn’t mind it being Miami, but FSU looks just as well on the schedule to. The third team is a real toss up IMO. Wouldn’t mind seeing GT or NC State, but also wouldn’t mind seeing Pitt or Syracuse added. I guess if one has to be picked I would go with Pitt.

Virginia Tech, Miami, Pitt 1st option

Virginia Tech, FSU, NC State 2nd option

Virginia Tech, FSU, GT 3rd option

Syracuse, Pitt, Miami 4th option

Without divisions, teams will be playing in Florida every other season just like they do now regardless of a permanent rival being located there. In fact, it will be better because programs will be more present throughout the entire state rather than just one location.

As far as which teams will get those schools on the schedule yearly, I think a few match-ups are obvious:

Florida State vs Miami. This will definitely happen and I’m predicting it will be a marquee game once again.

Florida State vs Clemson. This one will definitely continue as both schools will demand it.

That leaves FSU with only one spot available. I’ve heard from a lot of FSU fans/alumni that having a more consistent presence in Atlanta is important. I wouldn’t be surprised if Georgia Tech ends up as their third opponent and FSU stays completely regional with their partners. If this happens, I believe GaTech’s partners end up as Clemson, FSU, and Duke.

Miami is more tricky. Miami definitely has a northeastern connection that a lot of schools in the south don’t possess. That means there will be a load of programs fighting to have the Canes on the schedule every season. BC, SU, Pitt, Louisville, and even southern programs like Virginia Tech because I think FSU will be off the board.

If we look at the current permanent partners, Miami has Virginia Tech in basketball. Basketball? Lol, I think that really says that the conference has tried to push this “rivalry” on us across all sports.

Pitt has been Miami’s de facto Rivalry Week opponent over the years and this may continue, although now we could see a rotation between Pitt, BC, and Syracuse for the Canes.

If I’m looking at what’s been going on the last 20 years, I’d guess Miami’s opponents will be FSU, Pitt, and VaTech. Pitt due to scheduling and VaTech for an annual TV match-up even though VaTech-FSU would be just as interesting to people that watched football before the Big East football league. VaTech and FSU played yearly for like 30 years or something before then.

(05-04-2022 11:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 10:10 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 09:59 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 09:39 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-03-2022 07:48 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  With 14 15 teams, you have 3 permanent partners and 5 games to rotate around the remaining 10 teams.

GO FIGURE

With 15 teams you would have 2 permanent partners and 6 games to rotate among the remaining 12 schools, assuming a 8 game conference schedule. Still a very functional format that allows schools to schedule every other school in the league on a home and away basis over a four year period, while protecting key rivalries.

MERCI BEAUCOUP (THANK YOU VERY MUCH)

You know what else works with 15 teams? 4 annual + 5 rotating = 9 games/year.
And there would be a STRONG push for that, IMO.

9 could work in our favor; follow the Big 10 model and feast on cupcakes to inflate your teams early then beat one another to climb national polls.

One thing I stand by: NO MORE CONFERENCE GAMES FOR OPENERS

(05-05-2022 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 11:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 10:10 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 09:59 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 09:39 AM)green Wrote:  GO FIGURE

With 15 teams you would have 2 permanent partners and 6 games to rotate among the remaining 12 schools, assuming a 8 game conference schedule. Still a very functional format that allows schools to schedule every other school in the league on a home and away basis over a four year period, while protecting key rivalries.

MERCI BEAUCOUP (THANK YOU VERY MUCH)

You know what else works with 15 teams? 4 annual + 5 rotating = 9 games/year.
And there would be a STRONG push for that, IMO.

9 could work in our favor; follow the Big 10 model and feast on cupcakes to inflate your teams early then beat one another to climb national polls.

One thing I stand by: NO MORE CONFERENCE GAMES FOR OPENERS

you’re neglecting to consider inter-conference games w/ b1g & pac ...
cornerstone of alliance ...

BE CONSIDERATE OF OTHERS

(05-05-2022 09:27 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-05-2022 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  9 could work in our favor; follow the Big 10 model and feast on cupcakes to inflate your teams early then beat one another to climb national polls.

One thing I stand by: NO MORE CONFERENCE GAMES FOR OPENERS

you’re neglecting to consider inter-conference games w/ b1g & pac ...
cornerstone of alliance ...

BE CONSIDERATE OF OTHERS

Well, I hope those alliance games come about but it's sounded like they're not going to happen.

(05-05-2022 10:02 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-05-2022 09:27 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-05-2022 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  9 could work in our favor; follow the Big 10 model and feast on cupcakes to inflate your teams early then beat one another to climb national polls.

One thing I stand by: NO MORE CONFERENCE GAMES FOR OPENERS

you’re neglecting to consider inter-conference games w/ b1g & pac ...
cornerstone of alliance ...

BE CONSIDERATE OF OTHERS

Well, I hope those alliance games come about but it's sounded like they're not going to happen.

Partnering with the Big Ten is about as reliable as opening a business in Russia...

(05-05-2022 08:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 11:50 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 10:10 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 09:59 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(05-04-2022 09:39 AM)green Wrote:  GO FIGURE

With 15 teams you would have 2 permanent partners and 6 games to rotate among the remaining 12 schools, assuming a 8 game conference schedule. Still a very functional format that allows schools to schedule every other school in the league on a home and away basis over a four year period, while protecting key rivalries.

MERCI BEAUCOUP (THANK YOU VERY MUCH)

You know what else works with 15 teams? 4 annual + 5 rotating = 9 games/year.
And there would be a STRONG push for that, IMO.

9 could work in our favor; follow the Big 10 model and feast on cupcakes to inflate your teams early then beat one another to climb national polls.

One thing I stand by: NO MORE CONFERENCE GAMES FOR OPENERS

Unfortunately, a conference with odd numbered teams should play even numbered conference games. 15 team with 9 conference games won’t work.

I wonder whether 5-3-3-3 (five permanent rivals, play three other teams once a three years) would be mathetically possible.

For Cuse

1st Option: BC, Miami and Pitt

2nd Option: BC, Louisville and Pitt

3rd Option: BC, Pitt and VT

4th Option: BC, Pitt and UVA

I bet we'd get option 2...I would be cool with that.

(05-05-2022 05:31 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I wonder whether 5-3-3-3 (five permanent rivals, play three other teams once a three years) would be mathetically possible.

Seems like it would work. However, it would only slightly improve the number of years some schools go without playing one another. I would imagine 3-5-5 would make most conference members the happiest.

(05-05-2022 05:55 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  For Cuse

1st Option: BC, Miami and Pitt

2nd Option: BC, Louisville and Pitt

3rd Option: BC, Pitt and VT

4th Option: BC, Pitt and UVA

I bet we'd get option 2...I would be cool with that.

I agree with all of this, and in that order.

(05-05-2022 06:10 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(05-05-2022 05:31 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I wonder whether 5-3-3-3 (five permanent rivals, play three other teams once a three years) would be mathetically possible.

Seems like it would work. However, it would only slightly improve the number of years some schools go without playing one another. I would imagine 3-5-5 would make most conference members the happiest.

Yes but 3-5-5 would be tricky for the 15 team league.

(05-03-2022 09:44 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  State, Duke and UNC

Agreed.

(05-05-2022 10:46 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-05-2022 06:10 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(05-05-2022 05:31 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I wonder whether 5-3-3-3 (five permanent rivals, play three other teams once a three years) would be mathetically possible.

Seems like it would work. However, it would only slightly improve the number of years some schools go without playing one another. I would imagine 3-5-5 would make most conference members the happiest.

Yes but 3-5-5 would be tricky for the 15 team league.

If another school was ever added, you could redo the schedule again in a way that works better for 15 teams. However, with the current 14 members, I predict we'll see 3-5-5.

(05-05-2022 05:31 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  ...a conference with odd numbered teams should play even numbered conference games. 15 team with 9 conference games won’t work.

I wonder whether 5-3-3-3 (five permanent rivals, play three other teams once a three years) would be mathetically possible.

Argh! You are right! The product of teams X games MUST be an even number, so if the # of teams is odd, the # of games MUST be even - good catch!

3/3 + 5/10 seems most likely. Is there a chance they do something like the Big Ten has done and have 1 game slot determined by strength?

4/4 + 3/9 + 1.0 by more recent strength?

ACC doesn't seem to 'need' more than 3 rivals, but I wouldn't be surprised that once teams realize they can't get the 3 THEY want, they may take 4 in exchange for 3 sets of schedules instead of 2. Practically anything is better than:
7/7 + 1/12

(05-04-2022 04:57 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  For me as a BC alum/fan, my preferences would be: SU, Miami, Clemson

I second that!