The Left: End Mass Incarceration.

Also the Left: But not for these guys.

(03-07-2022 08:47 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 08:42 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 08:39 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Good for Congress, they finally passed an anti-lynching law after 200+ failed attempts! The Emmett Till Antilynching Act passed the Senate by unanimous consent and the House 422-3.

Does anybody know why these three House Republicans opposed the law?

Andrew Clyde, GA
Thomas Massie, KY
Chip Roy, TX

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5972...e-to-biden

https://www.axios.com/senate-antilynchin...alerts_all

It was legal in America to hang someone?

No, that has been and remains murder! Lynching under this bill doesn't actually require a hanging, it creates a new federal crime that can be charged - "Under the bill, a crime would be prosecuted as a lynching when death or serious bodily injury results from a conspiracy to commit a hate crime."

So if someone's speech can be even remotely connected as the inspiration for someone else to do something stupid, the person who did nothing physically wrong can be convicted???

(03-08-2022 12:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 08:47 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 08:42 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 08:39 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Good for Congress, they finally passed an anti-lynching law after 200+ failed attempts! The Emmett Till Antilynching Act passed the Senate by unanimous consent and the House 422-3.

Does anybody know why these three House Republicans opposed the law?

Andrew Clyde, GA
Thomas Massie, KY
Chip Roy, TX

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5972...e-to-biden

https://www.axios.com/senate-antilynchin...alerts_all

It was legal in America to hang someone?

No, that has been and remains murder! Lynching under this bill doesn't actually require a hanging, it creates a new federal crime that can be charged - "Under the bill, a crime would be prosecuted as a lynching when death or serious bodily injury results from a conspiracy to commit a hate crime."

So if someone's speech can be even remotely connected as the inspiration for someone else to do something stupid, the person who did nothing physically wrong can be convicted???

There are legal definitions of what is required to be involved in a "conspiracy." Also includes what it takes to remove oneself from a conspiracy if it hasn't been completed.

The Democrats badly need a win. So they return to an issue that keeps on giving… Racism

The last verified actual lynching was over 40 years ago.

Since then more blacks have probably died from this….






Thanks to this administration for fixing a problem that no longer exists. I would bet if you look at votes on this issue in Congress from ‘72, I bet Brandon has voted against a bill like this before.

(03-08-2022 01:02 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 12:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 08:47 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 08:42 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 08:39 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Good for Congress, they finally passed an anti-lynching law after 200+ failed attempts! The Emmett Till Antilynching Act passed the Senate by unanimous consent and the House 422-3.

Does anybody know why these three House Republicans opposed the law?

Andrew Clyde, GA
Thomas Massie, KY
Chip Roy, TX

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5972...e-to-biden

https://www.axios.com/senate-antilynchin...alerts_all

It was legal in America to hang someone?

No, that has been and remains murder! Lynching under this bill doesn't actually require a hanging, it creates a new federal crime that can be charged - "Under the bill, a crime would be prosecuted as a lynching when death or serious bodily injury results from a conspiracy to commit a hate crime."

So if someone's speech can be even remotely connected as the inspiration for someone else to do something stupid, the person who did nothing physically wrong can be convicted???

There are legal definitions of what is required to be involved in a "conspiracy." Also includes what it takes to remove oneself from a conspiracy if it hasn't been completed.

Ha! Life is a conspiracy if involvement in theoretical conversations are conspiracies. Law, until Marxism, was about what you did or didn't do and or why you did it. The American legal system was interested in motives while French law was interested only in what crime was committed. American law sentences based upon what is called for by the charge and tempered by the opinions of the jury and judge. Each sentence in France is confined to a prerequisite code.

If we open conspiracy to listening to, or rendering an opinion about, someone else's hypothetical action we open the door to accuse anyone of anything at any time. This is the model of a police state where if you are accused you are subject to incarceration until trial, seizure of property prior to conviction, which we already have thanks to Bush, which ties up your means of funding competent legal assistance and which deprives your family of their property unjustly in addition to the loss of income you suffer while incarcerated without conviction.

In this world if your next door neighbor is a member of a secret extremist group you get arrested because you frequently spoke to him over the fence about lawn and gardening matters. You are a co-conspirator for talking with him. And so went Stalinist Russia.

Anything which moves us further down this road only serves an increase of centralized government power which augments socialism, communism, and fascism and which is anathema to democratic principles whether practiced in a Republic or pure Democracy.

So, I oppose this nonsense which calls for an attributed motive for cross racial crime much of which has nothing to do with race. Now if some dumb*** screams death to whatever group in the commission of a crime lock him up after conviction and toss the key and if its murder terminate him. But never, ever, give a damn bureaucracy which only lives off of you the right to use "someone said you ..." to lock you up, seize your property and ruin your family. And that is what this horseshit is about!

People better wake up. The Lilliputians are sewing Gulliver up with a web of small and seemingly ridiculous laws. But once he's pinned down his life will be Hell!

(03-08-2022 10:03 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  For everybody who didn't read the whole thread, the antilynching law is not just about any one race, or about hanging someone. This bill creates a new federal crime that can be charged in addition to the underlying murder, assault, etc. - "Under the bill, a crime would be prosecuted as a lynching when death or serious bodily injury results from a conspiracy to commit a hate crime." Hate crimes can be charged when someone is targeted for crime because of their membership in a protected class - race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or disability.

Aren't the underlying murder, assault, etc. already very serious crimes?
What is the purpose of this law other than grandstanding or virtue signaling?

(03-08-2022 12:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 12:50 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 10:49 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 08:39 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Good for Congress, they finally passed an anti-lynching law after 200+ failed attempts! The Emmett Till Antilynching Act passed the Senate by unanimous consent and the House 422-3.

Does anybody know why these three House Republicans opposed the law?

Andrew Clyde, GA
Thomas Massie, KY
Chip Roy, TX

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5972...e-to-biden

https://www.axios.com/senate-antilynchin...alerts_all

Does anyone know the history of lynching in the U.S.?

Anyone?

Democrats had many tricks up their sleeves to prevent blacks from voting: poll taxes, whites-only primaries, literacy tests, grandfather clauses, multiple ballots/multiple voting locations, hide-and-seek polls, etc.

But the MOST effective way to prevent black and white republicans from voting was lynching.

Between 1882 and 1964 there were 4,743 lynchings:

• 3,446 blacks
• 1,297 whites
  

The Republican Party platform included bans on lynching. Democrats continuously blocked anti-lynching bills.

C'mon now, the "Party of Lincoln" is not the Republican party today. And the Dems of the 50's are more in line with the southern Republicans of today.

Which dems of the 50s are like southern Republicans today? You'd have to share what Democrats historically did and give examples of how Republicans are doing those same things today.

Which definition do you believe is operational in leftist world?

Conspiracy Theorist
(noun)

A person who accepts the political narrative of the day unquestionably;
consumes mainstream media like it was 1980;
and is prone to submissiveness, outbursts of irrational fear,
and public shaming of free thinkers.

OR

One, who in today's world has his theory shown to be correct in 6 - 12 months

Just because the bill has a good name doesn't mean its a good law

See the Patriot act. It was anything but Patriotic

(03-08-2022 12:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 12:50 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 10:49 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(03-07-2022 08:39 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Good for Congress, they finally passed an anti-lynching law after 200+ failed attempts! The Emmett Till Antilynching Act passed the Senate by unanimous consent and the House 422-3.

Does anybody know why these three House Republicans opposed the law?

Andrew Clyde, GA
Thomas Massie, KY
Chip Roy, TX

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5972...e-to-biden

https://www.axios.com/senate-antilynchin...alerts_all

Does anyone know the history of lynching in the U.S.?

Anyone?

Democrats had many tricks up their sleeves to prevent blacks from voting: poll taxes, whites-only primaries, literacy tests, grandfather clauses, multiple ballots/multiple voting locations, hide-and-seek polls, etc.

But the MOST effective way to prevent black and white republicans from voting was lynching.

Between 1882 and 1964 there were 4,743 lynchings:

• 3,446 blacks
• 1,297 whites
  

The Republican Party platform included bans on lynching. Democrats continuously blocked anti-lynching bills.

C'mon now, the "Party of Lincoln" is not the Republican party today. And the Dems of the 50's are more in line with the southern Republicans of today.

Republicans of today? That is about as stupid of a statement as one can possibly make.

That is the purest for of left wing propaganda and talking points there is. Its pure Marxism.

So, if one of Biden*s illegal immigrants lynches an american, does this law apply?

(03-09-2022 09:13 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So, if one of Biden*s illegal immigrants lynches an american, does this law apply?

It certainly could, if there was evidence that the crime was motivated by bias towards the American's race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, or disability. So for example, if an illegal alien was attacking American citizens due to their citizenship, I certainly think that would qualify.

Another example of pandering by this administration.
Another attempt to create division and pigeon hole Americans as they divide us by color and class.

A desperate attempt to take our Nation’s focus off the dumpster fire our country become since this administration took over the White House.

What this administration has done in 14 months will take decades to recover from if it’s even possible.

Instead of having the guts or even common sense to reverse course, this administration is pushing the country into oblivion without apology.

The trend towards punishing people for their motives instead of their actions is very dangerous and will lead society to a very dark place. Certain political groups are cheering this on for now, because they can’t quite believe that it will ever boomerang against them. But it will. As night follows day, it absolutely will.

So should Darrell Edward Brooks Jr be tried under that?

Now we should pass laws that criminalize rape and murder.

(03-09-2022 12:44 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Now we should pass laws that criminalize rape and murder.

But we should make the punishments extra strict if the motive was to have sex and to kill someone.