(02-03-2022 08:43 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Was watching the State - Cuse game last night and it was pointed out that State is last in the ACC in defending the three, as 08 pointed out on another thread, we have been pretty good at that under Siddle. So, that's another differentiation between the two.

There's no better night to see!

Watched State vs Syracuse second half last night. I have no idea how Keatts is still the coach there based on what I saw last night and his years there as HC. They don't guard anybody,play strictly one on one basketball and jack the 3 ball like it's on fire . Absolutely pathetic excuse for a basketball team is what I saw . They are 3-9 in the ACC and I have no clue how they won 3 games . He has a losing record in the ACC overall and it is the watered down version not the good old days .

I just ran out to grab some lunch and was listening to the Adam Gold show. They were talking about State. And it sounds like a broken record of what drove us crazy while we were here. 1- Inability to stop the 3 ball, 2- inability to guard in the half court, 3- inability to adjust if game plan isn't working.

(02-03-2022 12:29 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I just ran out to grab some lunch and was listening to the Adam Gold show. They were talking about State. And it sounds like a broken record of what drove us crazy while we were here. 1- Inability to stop the 3 ball, 2- inability to guard in the half court, 3- inability to adjust if game plan isn't working.

Just appears like he has no clue once the ball is in play to me . He also has to many guys that do the same thing and you can't play in the ACC with 5 guys at 6-4 jacking the 3 ball and jogging back on defense . They might as well face the music on move on after what I saw last night and against Carolina in Chapel Hill where they just flat out quit listening to him at all .
You could be seeing him more in Wilmington very soon-he has a house at Wrightsville Beach and could have time on his hands .

(02-03-2022 12:29 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I just ran out to grab some lunch and was listening to the Adam Gold show. They were talking about State. And it sounds like a broken record of what drove us crazy while we were here. 1- Inability to stop the 3 ball, 2- inability to guard in the half court, 3- inability to adjust if game plan isn't working.

They were awful last night defensively...and though it's an excuse, I'm not sure they have a top-3 CAA roster right now. That being said, if what drove us crazy about UNCW Basketball for his three years led to a 72-28 record, man I hope we get to be that frustrated again soon.

(02-03-2022 12:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Just appears like he has no clue once the ball is in play to me . He also has to many guys that do the same thing and you can't play in the ACC with 5 guys at 6-4 jacking the 3 ball and jogging back on defense . They might as well face the music on move on after what I saw last night and against Carolina in Chapel Hill where they just flat out quit listening to him at all .
You could be seeing him more in Wilmington very soon-he has a house at Wrightsville Beach and could have time on his hands .

I think he gets another year. There are a lot of fans, Debbie Yow included, that are making excuses for him because of the Dennis Smith-related NCAA investigation.

In terms of UNCW fans being frustrated with his style, he didn't stay long enough to really let that play out. We were starting to get a feel for adjustments that needed to be made to take the next step, but no reasonable fan can look back at his three years here and be frustrated with production.

(02-03-2022 12:55 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 12:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Just appears like he has no clue once the ball is in play to me . He also has to many guys that do the same thing and you can't play in the ACC with 5 guys at 6-4 jacking the 3 ball and jogging back on defense . They might as well face the music on move on after what I saw last night and against Carolina in Chapel Hill where they just flat out quit listening to him at all .
You could be seeing him more in Wilmington very soon-he has a house at Wrightsville Beach and could have time on his hands .

I think he gets another year. There are a lot of fans, Debbie Yow included, that are making excuses for him because of the Dennis Smith-related NCAA investigation.

In terms of UNCW fans being frustrated with his style, he didn't stay long enough to really let that play out. We were starting to get a feel for adjustments that needed to be made to take the next step, but no reasonable fan can look back at his three years here and be frustrated with production.

Obviously the results were there here and everyone was happy with the results. Just eye opening that he hasn't changed one bit. At the CAA level, he was able to get away with it, he's not there. And I'm not sure had he stayed he would have made any adjustments, clearly that's not his style he's too stubborn.
However, i'm obviously super glad that Siddle seems to have taken some of KK's good qualities, and has not been too stubborn to improve on the weaknesses. Given those three KK weaknesses i'd consider a strength of Siddle.

(02-03-2022 12:29 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I just ran out to grab some lunch and was listening to the Adam Gold show.

Gold was on the radio when I ran out for lunch too; he was talking about Brian Flores' lawsuit and Gold was terrified to say anything of substance. In terms of local homers, he's the least offensive, but I can't recall an original thought from him that was actually interesting.

Just give your opinion; that is what he's paid to do. Instead of tiptoeing around the topic, say the Rooney Rule is good, but it is often a technicality. Say that Flores is absolutely right in his claim, but his case in court is weak. Guy hemmed and hawed for 5 minutes without saying anything at all.

(02-03-2022 01:09 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 12:29 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I just ran out to grab some lunch and was listening to the Adam Gold show.

Gold was on the radio when I ran out for lunch too; he was talking about Brian Flores' lawsuit and Gold was terrified to say anything of substance. In terms of local homers, he's the least offensive, but I can't recall an original thought from him that was actually interesting.

Just give your opinion; that is what he's paid to do. Instead of tiptoeing around the topic, say the Rooney Rule is good, but it is often a technicality. Say that Flores is absolutely right in his claim, but his case in court is weak. Guy hemmed and hawed for 5 minutes without saying anything at all.

I don't blame him for staying away there. It's a lose-lose proposition to touch that subject around here.

(02-03-2022 01:08 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 12:55 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 12:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Just appears like he has no clue once the ball is in play to me . He also has to many guys that do the same thing and you can't play in the ACC with 5 guys at 6-4 jacking the 3 ball and jogging back on defense . They might as well face the music on move on after what I saw last night and against Carolina in Chapel Hill where they just flat out quit listening to him at all .
You could be seeing him more in Wilmington very soon-he has a house at Wrightsville Beach and could have time on his hands .

I think he gets another year. There are a lot of fans, Debbie Yow included, that are making excuses for him because of the Dennis Smith-related NCAA investigation.

In terms of UNCW fans being frustrated with his style, he didn't stay long enough to really let that play out. We were starting to get a feel for adjustments that needed to be made to take the next step, but no reasonable fan can look back at his three years here and be frustrated with production.

Obviously the results were there here and everyone was happy with the results. Just eye opening that he hasn't changed one bit. At the CAA level, he was able to get away with it, he's not there.

Those NCSU fans that I hear wanting another year point to NCAA mess, injuries, and his ability to recruit as reasons for keeping him moving forward. I don't watch NCSU closely, but the past two games he looks and sounds like a coach that has lost confidence. He looks lost to me.

(02-03-2022 12:55 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 12:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Just appears like he has no clue once the ball is in play to me . He also has to many guys that do the same thing and you can't play in the ACC with 5 guys at 6-4 jacking the 3 ball and jogging back on defense . They might as well face the music on move on after what I saw last night and against Carolina in Chapel Hill where they just flat out quit listening to him at all .
You could be seeing him more in Wilmington very soon-he has a house at Wrightsville Beach and could have time on his hands .

I think he gets another year. There are a lot of fans, Debbie Yow included, that are making excuses for him because of the Dennis Smith-related NCAA investigation.

In terms of UNCW fans being frustrated with his style, he didn't stay long enough to really let that play out. We were starting to get a feel for adjustments that needed to be made to take the next step, but no reasonable fan can look back at his three years here and be frustrated with production.

Heads up-he doesn't coach at UNCW now and living in the past is how you stay bad if you are State . This is year five for him at State and they are flat out terrible right now . Keatts does have a gift for being able to convince people that he is winner so I see that as his best chance at keeping the job . I thought he would win there myself but I admit to being wrong about that . He has convinced me he is not a winner at the level State wants.

I know they don't defend well inside half court, but does losing 3 big men, two for the season, account for anything?

It's interesting when you listen to Siddle. He does not want to be thought of as Keatts Jr., and has been clear their styles are similar but he has his own way of coaching.

The problem with Keatts and Siddle is they don't keep a stable of big men on the roster. So if two go down it matters.

(02-03-2022 02:07 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 12:55 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 12:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Just appears like he has no clue once the ball is in play to me . He also has to many guys that do the same thing and you can't play in the ACC with 5 guys at 6-4 jacking the 3 ball and jogging back on defense . They might as well face the music on move on after what I saw last night and against Carolina in Chapel Hill where they just flat out quit listening to him at all .
You could be seeing him more in Wilmington very soon-he has a house at Wrightsville Beach and could have time on his hands .

I think he gets another year. There are a lot of fans, Debbie Yow included, that are making excuses for him because of the Dennis Smith-related NCAA investigation.

In terms of UNCW fans being frustrated with his style, he didn't stay long enough to really let that play out. We were starting to get a feel for adjustments that needed to be made to take the next step, but no reasonable fan can look back at his three years here and be frustrated with production.

Heads up-he doesn't coach at UNCW now and living in the past is how you stay bad if you are State .

This is a really strange heads up. Was this meant for me?

(02-03-2022 02:51 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 02:07 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 12:55 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 12:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Just appears like he has no clue once the ball is in play to me . He also has to many guys that do the same thing and you can't play in the ACC with 5 guys at 6-4 jacking the 3 ball and jogging back on defense . They might as well face the music on move on after what I saw last night and against Carolina in Chapel Hill where they just flat out quit listening to him at all .
You could be seeing him more in Wilmington very soon-he has a house at Wrightsville Beach and could have time on his hands .

I think he gets another year. There are a lot of fans, Debbie Yow included, that are making excuses for him because of the Dennis Smith-related NCAA investigation.

In terms of UNCW fans being frustrated with his style, he didn't stay long enough to really let that play out. We were starting to get a feel for adjustments that needed to be made to take the next step, but no reasonable fan can look back at his three years here and be frustrated with production.

Heads up-he doesn't coach at UNCW now and living in the past is how you stay bad if you are State .

This is a really strange heads up. Was this meant for me?

Amazingly, the guy that reminded you and everyone else on the board that Keatts isn't at UNCW is the one who went in on him about his performance the last two games against Syracuse and Carolina. You'd think after almost 5 years, he could move on. Hasn't had anything else to complain about recently, so might as well be NC State's performance against Syracuse. Heaven help us when the winning streak ends....I'm sure he has drafts of his thoughts prepared and the pent up anger towards the success UNCW has experienced will be unleashed.

The heads up was for you and I know you love Keatts and Siddle so being objective is pretty tough for you . I never like Keatts here and even less now and I think they should cut bait right now but hey they will do it the State way and run it straight into the toilet first . As far as UNCW goes ,I have been ti 2 games this year -Guilford and Northeastern and I have to say the team has made huge improvements in all areas . Trask was alive and well at the NE with the student section packed . I like Siddle and the team is playing great .
Is there anything else ?

(02-03-2022 03:03 PM)triangleseahawk919 Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 02:51 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 02:07 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 12:55 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(02-03-2022 12:36 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Just appears like he has no clue once the ball is in play to me . He also has to many guys that do the same thing and you can't play in the ACC with 5 guys at 6-4 jacking the 3 ball and jogging back on defense . They might as well face the music on move on after what I saw last night and against Carolina in Chapel Hill where they just flat out quit listening to him at all .
You could be seeing him more in Wilmington very soon-he has a house at Wrightsville Beach and could have time on his hands .

I think he gets another year. There are a lot of fans, Debbie Yow included, that are making excuses for him because of the Dennis Smith-related NCAA investigation.

In terms of UNCW fans being frustrated with his style, he didn't stay long enough to really let that play out. We were starting to get a feel for adjustments that needed to be made to take the next step, but no reasonable fan can look back at his three years here and be frustrated with production.

Heads up-he doesn't coach at UNCW now and living in the past is how you stay bad if you are State .

This is a really strange heads up. Was this meant for me?

Amazingly, the guy that reminded you and everyone else on the board that Keatts isn't at UNCW is the one who went in on him about his performance the last two games against Syracuse and Carolina. You'd think after almost 5 years, he could move on. Hasn't had anything else to complain about recently, so might as well be NC State's performance against Syracuse. Heaven help us when the winning streak ends....I'm sure he has drafts of his thoughts prepared and the pent up anger towards the success UNCW has experienced will be unleashed.

The mullet just waits it out. As long as we all know it's coming, it's easier. It'll go something like, "They won some games, but this loss proves they're not a contender."

(02-03-2022 04:14 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  The heads up was for you and I know you love Keatts and Siddle so being objective is pretty tough for you . I never like Keatts here and even less now and I think they should cut bait right now but hey they will do it the State way and run it straight into the toilet first . As far as UNCW goes ,I have been ti 2 games this year -Guilford and Northeastern and I have to say the team has made huge improvements in all areas . Trask was alive and well at the NE with the student section packed . I like Siddle and the team is playing great .
Is there anything else ?

Yeah, you have not clue what you're talking about. You "know" I love Keatts and that being objective about Keatts at NCSU is tough for me. You know me so well. Must be fun to just make stuff up as you go.

This is my assessment of Keatts at NCSU on THIS thread, 3 hours before I was labeled as a Keatts homer, incapable of objectivity.

(02-03-2022 01:13 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Those NCSU fans that I hear wanting another year point to NCAA mess, injuries, and his ability to recruit as reasons for keeping him moving forward. I don't watch NCSU closely, but the past two games he looks and sounds like a coach that has lost confidence. He looks lost to me.

Mullet, do us all a favor and go take a nap.

(02-03-2022 04:14 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  The heads up was for you and I know you love Keatts and Siddle so being objective is pretty tough for you . I never like Keatts here and even less now and I think they should cut bait right now but hey they will do it the State way and run it straight into the toilet first . As far as UNCW goes ,I have been ti 2 games this year -Guilford and Northeastern and I have to say the team has made huge improvements in all areas . Trask was alive and well at the NE with the student section packed . I like Siddle and the team is playing great .
Is there anything else ?

Look. This is nuts. Was he a perfect coach here? No. Was/is anyone a perfect coach? No. Did he win a LOT of games and championships while he was here? Yes.

Keatts had his faults here, mostly a stubbornness with his coaching strategy and NEVER adjusting, so when we got beat (rarely), we really got it. Was it worth ever saying we didn't like him here? Nope.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There's a number of things that I DID NOT like about how he left. I'll never deny that he was a darn good coach at UNCW though. That's not even debatable, considering the 10 years before he showed up. I always thought him going to NCSU was a mistake though, considering the delusion of that school and their fan base with expectations. However, he really hasn't done himself any favors there by being less than successful while the historically, dominant teams in the ACC aren't as good. I'm pretty convinced he'll be looking for another job either this summer or sometime next season. He's almost at the end of the NCSU rope, and I'm honestly surprised they've given him this long. I do think NCSU's reasoning for that is based on the scandal Bricks mentioned with Smith.

Coach Siddle has shown a greater ability/willingness to adjust to the situation that he is confronted with. The round NCAA game still hurts, watching Tony Bennett improvise a 5 guard lineup to bring them back against us, but we wouldn't adjust as well.

When the NC State rumor popped up at the end of that season (which obviously was pretty far along despite Coach Keatts' denial that he had been talking to them), I thought there was a reasonable chance he wouldn't take the job. Not that he wouldn't ultimately take a P5 job, but maybe just not that one. State fans have a tendency to not realize how far ago in history their two NCAA Championships are, and thus expect to be in the conversation not just about ACC Championships but also national championships. And to do that that, they need to out-recruit, out coach, and out-play UNC-Ch, Duke, Louisville, Syracuse, et al. I reasoned at the time that he could wait for a school with big-time football money and reasonable basketball expectations. Maybe he should have done so ...but on the other hand if I had a $2MM+ multi year contract maybe I would have grabbed the brass ring myself.