From the information thus far it was certainly not intentional but it was avoidable. That's where the negligence issue comes into play. To what extent and who is responsible for the negligence will result from the investigation. I just can't imagine pointing a real gun at someone and puling the trigger even if I knew it was not loaded. In this case, Baldwin was [allegedly] handed a gun and assumed it was not loaded/hot, pointed it at someone at close range, and pulled the trigger. Who does that with any common sense or with any basic firearms safety training/protocols? I feel so bad for the victim's husband and daughter of this unnecessary tragedy.
(This post was last modified: 10-22-2021 09:34 PM by UCGrad1992.)
(10-22-2021 09:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: From the information thus far it was certainly not intentional but it was avoidable. That's where the negligence issue comes into play. To what extent and who is responsible for the negligence will result from the investigation. I just can't imagine pointing a real gun at someone and puling the trigger even if I knew it was not loaded. In this case, Baldwin was [allegedly] handed a gun and assumed it was not loaded/hot, pointed it at someone at close range, and pulled the trigger. Who does that with any common sense or with any basic firearms safety training/protocols? I feel so bad for the victim's husband and daughter of this unnecessary tragedy.
An actor in any scene where the shot has the gun facing the camera. Anytime you see a gun facing the camera in a movie it was pointed at the camera crew.
There is negligence here, but it is on the part of the prop master.
(10-22-2021 09:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: From the information thus far it was certainly not intentional but it was avoidable. That's where the negligence issue comes into play. To what extent and who is responsible for the negligence will result from the investigation. I just can't imagine pointing a real gun at someone and puling the trigger even if I knew it was not loaded. In this case, Baldwin was [allegedly] handed a gun and assumed it was not loaded/hot, pointed it at someone at close range, and pulled the trigger. Who does that with any common sense or with any basic firearms safety training/protocols? I feel so bad for the victim's husband and daughter of this unnecessary tragedy.
(10-22-2021 09:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: From the information thus far it was certainly not intentional but it was avoidable. That's where the negligence issue comes into play. To what extent and who is responsible for the negligence will result from the investigation. I just can't imagine pointing a real gun at someone and puling the trigger even if I knew it was not loaded. In this case, Baldwin was [allegedly] handed a gun and assumed it was not loaded/hot, pointed it at someone at close range, and pulled the trigger. Who does that with any common sense or with any basic firearms safety training/protocols? I feel so bad for the victim's husband and daughter of this unnecessary tragedy.
An actor in any scene where the shot has the gun facing the camera. Anytime you see a gun facing the camera in a movie it was pointed at the camera crew.
There is negligence here, but it is on the part of the prop master.
He’s the producer; that counts for something. Add that there were safety concerns, walk outs for various reasons and most of all some kind of misfiring with that same prop gun days ago and you have a negligence case against him and others just based on what we know so far
(10-22-2021 09:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: From the information thus far it was certainly not intentional but it was avoidable. That's where the negligence issue comes into play. To what extent and who is responsible for the negligence will result from the investigation. I just can't imagine pointing a real gun at someone and puling the trigger even if I knew it was not loaded. In this case, Baldwin was [allegedly] handed a gun and assumed it was not loaded/hot, pointed it at someone at close range, and pulled the trigger. Who does that with any common sense or with any basic firearms safety training/protocols? I feel so bad for the victim's husband and daughter of this unnecessary tragedy.
An actor in any scene where the shot has the gun facing the camera. Anytime you see a gun facing the camera in a movie it was pointed at the camera crew.
There is negligence here, but it is on the part of the prop master.
He’s the producer; that counts for something. Add that there were safety concerns, walk outs for various reasons and most of all some kind of misfiring with that same prop gun days ago and you have a negligence case against him and others just based on what we know so far
I should have added, from the information/videos released the prop master/armorer was allegedly not present. The gun was handed to Baldwin from an Assistant Director. Also, allegedly Baldwin was not shooting the scene at the moment the gun was fired.
(This post was last modified: 10-22-2021 10:02 PM by UCGrad1992.)
(10-22-2021 09:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: From the information thus far it was certainly not intentional but it was avoidable. That's where the negligence issue comes into play. To what extent and who is responsible for the negligence will result from the investigation. I just can't imagine pointing a real gun at someone and puling the trigger even if I knew it was not loaded. In this case, Baldwin was [allegedly] handed a gun and assumed it was not loaded/hot, pointed it at someone at close range, and pulled the trigger. Who does that with any common sense or with any basic firearms safety training/protocols? I feel so bad for the victim's husband and daughter of this unnecessary tragedy.
An actor in any scene where the shot has the gun facing the camera. Anytime you see a gun facing the camera in a movie it was pointed at the camera crew.
There is negligence here, but it is on the part of the prop master.
He’s the producer; that counts for something. Add that there were safety concerns, walk outs for various reasons and most of all some kind of misfiring with that same prop gun days ago and you have a negligence case against him and others just based on what we know so far
I should have added, from the information/videos released the prop master/armorer was allegedly not present. The gun was handed to Baldwin from an Assistant Director. Also, allegedly Baldwin was not shooting the scene at the moment the gun was fired.
If that’s true about the master/armorer not being there then it’s bad….real bad
(10-22-2021 09:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: From the information thus far it was certainly not intentional but it was avoidable. That's where the negligence issue comes into play. To what extent and who is responsible for the negligence will result from the investigation. I just can't imagine pointing a real gun at someone and puling the trigger even if I knew it was not loaded. In this case, Baldwin was [allegedly] handed a gun and assumed it was not loaded/hot, pointed it at someone at close range, and pulled the trigger. Who does that with any common sense or with any basic firearms safety training/protocols? I feel so bad for the victim's husband and daughter of this unnecessary tragedy.
An actor in any scene where the shot has the gun facing the camera. Anytime you see a gun facing the camera in a movie it was pointed at the camera crew.
There is negligence here, but it is on the part of the prop master.
Again... answer the original question
Dont run from it.... give it a go, make some excuse for the degenerate piece of shitstain
The prog filth like him because he made fun of orange man bad. He is opposed to guns so it doesnt matter that he was making money pretending to use a gun and killed someone doing it. He gets a pass.
There, summed it up. The prog filth thought process. It's an uncomfortable feeling that I see it so easily
(This post was last modified: 10-23-2021 01:47 AM by shere khan.)
Quote:NEW - Alec Baldwin shooting victim Halyna Hutchins was wife of lawyer for powerhouse law firm Latham and Watkins.
Earlier this year, Latham and Watkins represented Sussmann who intentionally misled the FBI because he was acting at the time on behalf of an unnamed tech executive, an "U.S. internet company" and Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign.
New details were revealed today. Before the tragic accident, the assistant director assured Baldwin that the "prop gun" did not contain live rounds.
(10-22-2021 09:31 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: From the information thus far it was certainly not intentional but it was avoidable. That's where the negligence issue comes into play. To what extent and who is responsible for the negligence will result from the investigation. I just can't imagine pointing a real gun at someone and puling the trigger even if I knew it was not loaded. In this case, Baldwin was [allegedly] handed a gun and assumed it was not loaded/hot, pointed it at someone at close range, and pulled the trigger. Who does that with any common sense or with any basic firearms safety training/protocols? I feel so bad for the victim's husband and daughter of this unnecessary tragedy.
An actor in any scene where the shot has the gun facing the camera. Anytime you see a gun facing the camera in a movie it was pointed at the camera crew.
There is negligence here, but it is on the part of the prop master.
He’s the producer; that counts for something. Add that there were safety concerns, walk outs for various reasons and most of all some kind of misfiring with that same prop gun days ago and you have a negligence case against him and others just based on what we know so far
I should have added, from the information/videos released the prop master/armorer was allegedly not present. The gun was handed to Baldwin from an Assistant Director. Also, allegedly Baldwin was not shooting the scene at the moment the gun was fired.
If that’s true about the master/armorer not being there then it’s bad….real bad
I believe they walked off the set earlier in the day because they had had multiple accidental gun firing incidents on the set and they would not allow safety meetings to be held. They stated that the director/producers were more concerned about covid safety on the set than gun safety.
Quote:Alec Baldwin didn't know the prop gun that he fired was loaded with live ammunition and neither did the assistant director who handed it to him before the fatal shooting of a cinematographer on a New Mexico film set Thursday, a search warrant document says.
The assistant director yelled "cold gun" before the shooting that killed Halyna Hutchins, 42, and wounded director Joel Souza on the set of "Rust" at Bonanza Creek Ranch, according to an affidavit filed in a Santa Fe court.
The term "cold gun" is intended to indicate that the weapon did not have any live rounds, according to the document obtained by NBC affiliate KOB of Albuquerque and other news outlets.
The assistant director did not know live rounds were in the prop gun, the Santa Fe County sheriff's detective wrote in the court document. It was one of three prop guns on a cart that had been set up by an armorer, it said.
The assistant director did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday, nor did the armorer.
Why would there be ANY live rounds on a movie set outside of security personnel?...period. This seems pretty common sense that this policy should be SOP.
(10-23-2021 10:09 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: Why would there be ANY live rounds on a movie set outside of security personnel?...period. This seems pretty common sense that this policy should be SOP.
Because they are stupid, which is why a bunch of the crew walked off the set earlier in the day. They had at least 3 accidental gun firings on that set, and when there were demands for satefy meeting on it, they were shut down by a toxic work environment that demanded they focus on covid safety over gun safety.
(10-23-2021 10:09 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: Why would there be ANY live rounds on a movie set outside of security personnel?...period. This seems pretty common sense that this policy should be SOP.
Because they are stupid, which is why a bunch of the crew walked off the set earlier in the day. They had at least 3 accidental gun firings on that set, and when there were demands for satefy meeting on it, they were shut down by a toxic work environment that demanded they focus on covid safety over gun safety.
Only liberal idiots would foolishly focus on Covid concerns rather than on guns and safety concerns
(10-23-2021 10:09 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: Why would there be ANY live rounds on a movie set outside of security personnel?...period. This seems pretty common sense that this policy should be SOP.
Because they are stupid, which is why a bunch of the crew walked off the set earlier in the day. They had at least 3 accidental gun firings on that set, and when there were demands for satefy meeting on it, they were shut down by a toxic work environment that demanded they focus on covid safety over gun safety.
I think I have a possible out for Baldwin.
With the COVID focus that the movie set had, they should have Hutchins checked for COVID during the autopsy. If so....then the cause of death can officially be COVID. The shooting was actually more of an "inconvenient circumstance", but his lawyer(s) can argue that Baldwin truly saved the lady from a more miserable, prolonged death from COVID.
Baldwin might walk away from this as a reluctant hero.
(10-23-2021 10:09 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: Why would there be ANY live rounds on a movie set outside of security personnel?...period. This seems pretty common sense that this policy should be SOP.
Because they are stupid, which is why a bunch of the crew walked off the set earlier in the day. They had at least 3 accidental gun firings on that set, and when there were demands for satefy meeting on it, they were shut down by a toxic work environment that demanded they focus on covid safety over gun safety.
Only liberal idiots would foolishly focus on Covid concerns rather than on guns and safety concerns
I also read that it was a low budget film - $6 Million. That might explain some of the lax standards. Makes you wonder what they skimped on.
(10-23-2021 10:09 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: Why would there be ANY live rounds on a movie set outside of security personnel?...period. This seems pretty common sense that this policy should be SOP.
Because they are stupid, which is why a bunch of the crew walked off the set earlier in the day. They had at least 3 accidental gun firings on that set, and when there were demands for satefy meeting on it, they were shut down by a toxic work environment that demanded they focus on covid safety over gun safety.
I think I have a possible out for Baldwin.
With the COVID focus that the movie set had, they should have Hutchins checked for COVID during the autopsy. If so....then the cause of death can officially be COVID. The shooting was actually more of an "inconvenient circumstance", but his lawyer(s) can argue that Baldwin truly saved the lady from a more miserable, prolonged death from COVID.
Baldwin might walk away from this as a reluctant hero.
