(09-22-2021 01:15 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 10:07 AM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 07:03 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 02:33 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 02:29 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  Can't believe he said that. Why would he say something like that knowing the school hasn't released anything about possibly making a move up to FBS.

Chris Vannini of The Athletic has reported JMU officials have been in discussions with "multiple FBS" conferences (aka CUSA/SBC)

I find this curious. A longtime friend and big JMU financial contributor says the scuttlebutt around Harrisonburg is Marshall won't leave CUSA for the SB without JMU being involved. I really like an respect my friend, but I have a hard time thinking Marshall would tie the fate of their program to an FCS school. In addition he said if JMU doesn't go to the SB with Marshall they will be going to CUSA with Marshall, ODU & Charlotte. My gut tells me JMU may be leaking this stuff perhaps in an attempt to influence. Why? Because at the very end he says quite matter of fact there's a real possibility JMU remains FCS. What are the thoughts of you Marshall folks on this?

Outside of beating them in the 1AA playoffs ages ago and a few non-con basketball and Olympic games, we don't really have a history with JMU. I understand why they would be an attractive conference game for Marshall due to proximity. I also understand that an art-of-war type type strategy might disfavor elevating them due to where Marshall recruits, but I doubt Marshall thinks that way.

At any rate, I don't see a reason why JMU would kill a deal, especially if ODU, USM, and Charlotte are possibilities. I do think that Marshall's current leadership strongly favors regionality, and JMU, Appy, ODU, Charlotte, and Coastal all make a whole lot of sense due to proximity, recruiting footprint, and alumni presence.

I hope Marshall joins the Belt, with or without these other schools. It's time to move on and try to rebuild some conference rivalry where we fit in culturally.

JMU has exactly zero leverage. As in none. Marshall does, but why would they use it to get jmu in?

Marshall will do what's best for Marshall. I don't believe in any "package deal" especially with JMU. There's no connection there. ODU maybe (I don't see it), but in the long run we're going to do what our Alumni and BOG tell us to do to. Also the majority of our Alumni Clubs are in the Carolina's and in Florida.

(09-22-2021 11:37 AM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:15 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I definitely want Marshall and Southern Miss to join. After that I am not so sure anymore about going to 14. It would really depend on our media contract and if we can make roughly 1.3M a year with 12 then perfect. If ESPN is going to pay 1.3M a year with 14 then okay.

East Marshall, App State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Troy
West South Alabama, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, ULM, Louisiana, Texas State

If we are going to 14 then I want it to be 2 eastern teams to push Troy west.

As much as I'd like Troy to be in the West, I like adding Southern Miss more.

As fans, we forget that University Presidents make the final decisions as to conference affiliation. I know they must have tons of input from AD's but I doubt they really get what we as fans think to be the best choices. I wonder how much influence the mouse really has.

That's what I did above. I added Marshall and Southern Miss to give us 12. I then said if we add 2 more to go to 14 I want Troy to move west.

(09-22-2021 02:02 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:37 AM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:15 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I definitely want Marshall and Southern Miss to join. After that I am not so sure anymore about going to 14. It would really depend on our media contract and if we can make roughly 1.3M a year with 12 then perfect. If ESPN is going to pay 1.3M a year with 14 then okay.

East Marshall, App State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Troy
West South Alabama, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, ULM, Louisiana, Texas State

If we are going to 14 then I want it to be 2 eastern teams to push Troy west.

As much as I'd like Troy to be in the West, I like adding Southern Miss more.

As fans, we forget that University Presidents make the final decisions as to conference affiliation. I know they must have tons of input from AD's but I doubt they really get what we as fans think to be the best choices. I wonder how much influence the mouse really has.

That's what I did above. I added Marshall and Southern Miss to give us 12. I then said if we add 2 more to go to 14 I want Troy to move west.

This is getting way farther down the road, but if we do go to 12, I want the protected rivalry model.

Marshall- Southern Miss
App- Louisiana
Troy- South Alabama
Ga. Southern- Arkansas State
Ga. State- Texas State
Coastal- ULM

The last three pairs are much harder to figure out than the first three. But I think it would be really good for the conference if the top three happen every year.

Again, I'm getting way ahead of myself.

(09-22-2021 01:41 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 01:15 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 10:07 AM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 07:03 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 02:33 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  Chris Vannini of The Athletic has reported JMU officials have been in discussions with "multiple FBS" conferences (aka CUSA/SBC)

I find this curious. A longtime friend and big JMU financial contributor says the scuttlebutt around Harrisonburg is Marshall won't leave CUSA for the SB without JMU being involved. I really like an respect my friend, but I have a hard time thinking Marshall would tie the fate of their program to an FCS school. In addition he said if JMU doesn't go to the SB with Marshall they will be going to CUSA with Marshall, ODU & Charlotte. My gut tells me JMU may be leaking this stuff perhaps in an attempt to influence. Why? Because at the very end he says quite matter of fact there's a real possibility JMU remains FCS. What are the thoughts of you Marshall folks on this?

Outside of beating them in the 1AA playoffs ages ago and a few non-con basketball and Olympic games, we don't really have a history with JMU. I understand why they would be an attractive conference game for Marshall due to proximity. I also understand that an art-of-war type type strategy might disfavor elevating them due to where Marshall recruits, but I doubt Marshall thinks that way.

At any rate, I don't see a reason why JMU would kill a deal, especially if ODU, USM, and Charlotte are possibilities. I do think that Marshall's current leadership strongly favors regionality, and JMU, Appy, ODU, Charlotte, and Coastal all make a whole lot of sense due to proximity, recruiting footprint, and alumni presence.

I hope Marshall joins the Belt, with or without these other schools. It's time to move on and try to rebuild some conference rivalry where we fit in culturally.

JMU has exactly zero leverage. As in none. Marshall does, but why would they use it to get jmu in?

Marshall will do what's best for Marshall. I don't believe in any "package deal" especially with JMU. There's no connection there. ODU maybe (I don't see it), but in the long run we're going to do what our Alumni and BOG tell us to do to. Also the majority of our Alumni Clubs are in the Carolina's and in Florida.

Not Myrtle Beach? Isn't that where Rocket Kids parents moved?

(09-22-2021 02:08 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 02:02 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:37 AM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:15 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I definitely want Marshall and Southern Miss to join. After that I am not so sure anymore about going to 14. It would really depend on our media contract and if we can make roughly 1.3M a year with 12 then perfect. If ESPN is going to pay 1.3M a year with 14 then okay.

East Marshall, App State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Troy
West South Alabama, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, ULM, Louisiana, Texas State

If we are going to 14 then I want it to be 2 eastern teams to push Troy west.

As much as I'd like Troy to be in the West, I like adding Southern Miss more.

As fans, we forget that University Presidents make the final decisions as to conference affiliation. I know they must have tons of input from AD's but I doubt they really get what we as fans think to be the best choices. I wonder how much influence the mouse really has.

That's what I did above. I added Marshall and Southern Miss to give us 12. I then said if we add 2 more to go to 14 I want Troy to move west.

This is getting way farther down the road, but if we do go to 12, I want the protected rivalry model.

Marshall- Southern Miss
App- Louisiana
Troy- South Alabama
Ga. Southern- Arkansas State
Ga. State- Texas State
Coastal- ULM

The last three pairs are much harder to figure out than the first three. But I think it would be really good for the conference if the top three happen every year.

Again, I'm getting way ahead of myself.

This is something that Marshall would want. CUSA gave us USM for a while as a locked rival and has now stopped.

(09-22-2021 02:08 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 02:02 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:37 AM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:15 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I definitely want Marshall and Southern Miss to join. After that I am not so sure anymore about going to 14. It would really depend on our media contract and if we can make roughly 1.3M a year with 12 then perfect. If ESPN is going to pay 1.3M a year with 14 then okay.

East Marshall, App State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Troy
West South Alabama, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, ULM, Louisiana, Texas State

If we are going to 14 then I want it to be 2 eastern teams to push Troy west.

As much as I'd like Troy to be in the West, I like adding Southern Miss more.

As fans, we forget that University Presidents make the final decisions as to conference affiliation. I know they must have tons of input from AD's but I doubt they really get what we as fans think to be the best choices. I wonder how much influence the mouse really has.

That's what I did above. I added Marshall and Southern Miss to give us 12. I then said if we add 2 more to go to 14 I want Troy to move west.

This is getting way farther down the road, but if we do go to 12, I want the protected rivalry model.

Marshall- Southern Miss
App- Louisiana
Troy- South Alabama
Ga. Southern- Arkansas State
Ga. State- Texas State
Coastal- ULM

The last three pairs are much harder to figure out than the first three. But I think it would be really good for the conference if the top three happen every year.

Again, I'm getting way ahead of myself.

I'm down for protected rivalries-provides a reasoning to let South Al and Troy play every year and helps to establish some conference rivalries throughout the league

(09-22-2021 02:08 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 02:02 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:37 AM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:15 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I definitely want Marshall and Southern Miss to join. After that I am not so sure anymore about going to 14. It would really depend on our media contract and if we can make roughly 1.3M a year with 12 then perfect. If ESPN is going to pay 1.3M a year with 14 then okay.

East Marshall, App State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Troy
West South Alabama, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, ULM, Louisiana, Texas State

If we are going to 14 then I want it to be 2 eastern teams to push Troy west.

As much as I'd like Troy to be in the West, I like adding Southern Miss more.

As fans, we forget that University Presidents make the final decisions as to conference affiliation. I know they must have tons of input from AD's but I doubt they really get what we as fans think to be the best choices. I wonder how much influence the mouse really has.

That's what I did above. I added Marshall and Southern Miss to give us 12. I then said if we add 2 more to go to 14 I want Troy to move west.

This is getting way farther down the road, but if we do go to 12, I want the protected rivalry model.

Marshall- Southern Miss
App- Louisiana
Troy- South Alabama
Ga. Southern- Arkansas State
Ga. State- Texas State
Coastal- ULM

The last three pairs are much harder to figure out than the first three. But I think it would be really good for the conference if the top three happen every year.

Again, I'm getting way ahead of myself.

I want GS.

(09-22-2021 02:22 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 02:08 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 02:02 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:37 AM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 11:15 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I definitely want Marshall and Southern Miss to join. After that I am not so sure anymore about going to 14. It would really depend on our media contract and if we can make roughly 1.3M a year with 12 then perfect. If ESPN is going to pay 1.3M a year with 14 then okay.

East Marshall, App State, Coastal Carolina, Georgia State, Georgia Southern, Troy
West South Alabama, Southern Miss, Arkansas State, ULM, Louisiana, Texas State

If we are going to 14 then I want it to be 2 eastern teams to push Troy west.

As much as I'd like Troy to be in the West, I like adding Southern Miss more.

As fans, we forget that University Presidents make the final decisions as to conference affiliation. I know they must have tons of input from AD's but I doubt they really get what we as fans think to be the best choices. I wonder how much influence the mouse really has.

That's what I did above. I added Marshall and Southern Miss to give us 12. I then said if we add 2 more to go to 14 I want Troy to move west.

This is getting way farther down the road, but if we do go to 12, I want the protected rivalry model.

Marshall- Southern Miss
App- Louisiana
Troy- South Alabama
Ga. Southern- Arkansas State
Ga. State- Texas State
Coastal- ULM

The last three pairs are much harder to figure out than the first three. But I think it would be really good for the conference if the top three happen every year.

Again, I'm getting way ahead of myself.

I want GS.

You've got GS

(09-22-2021 01:41 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 01:15 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 10:07 AM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 07:03 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 02:33 PM)RamblinRedWolf Wrote:  Chris Vannini of The Athletic has reported JMU officials have been in discussions with "multiple FBS" conferences (aka CUSA/SBC)

I find this curious. A longtime friend and big JMU financial contributor says the scuttlebutt around Harrisonburg is Marshall won't leave CUSA for the SB without JMU being involved. I really like an respect my friend, but I have a hard time thinking Marshall would tie the fate of their program to an FCS school. In addition he said if JMU doesn't go to the SB with Marshall they will be going to CUSA with Marshall, ODU & Charlotte. My gut tells me JMU may be leaking this stuff perhaps in an attempt to influence. Why? Because at the very end he says quite matter of fact there's a real possibility JMU remains FCS. What are the thoughts of you Marshall folks on this?

Outside of beating them in the 1AA playoffs ages ago and a few non-con basketball and Olympic games, we don't really have a history with JMU. I understand why they would be an attractive conference game for Marshall due to proximity. I also understand that an art-of-war type type strategy might disfavor elevating them due to where Marshall recruits, but I doubt Marshall thinks that way.

At any rate, I don't see a reason why JMU would kill a deal, especially if ODU, USM, and Charlotte are possibilities. I do think that Marshall's current leadership strongly favors regionality, and JMU, Appy, ODU, Charlotte, and Coastal all make a whole lot of sense due to proximity, recruiting footprint, and alumni presence.

I hope Marshall joins the Belt, with or without these other schools. It's time to move on and try to rebuild some conference rivalry where we fit in culturally.

JMU has exactly zero leverage. As in none. Marshall does, but why would they use it to get jmu in?

Marshall will do what's best for Marshall. I don't believe in any "package deal" especially with JMU. There's no connection there. ODU maybe (I don't see it), but in the long run we're going to do what our Alumni and BOG tell us to do to. Also the majority of our Alumni Clubs are in the Carolina's and in Florida.

I don't think it's a coincidence that three of your four non conference games this year are teams from NC.

(09-22-2021 02:09 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 01:41 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 01:15 PM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 10:07 AM)Superanjario Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 07:03 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I find this curious. A longtime friend and big JMU financial contributor says the scuttlebutt around Harrisonburg is Marshall won't leave CUSA for the SB without JMU being involved. I really like an respect my friend, but I have a hard time thinking Marshall would tie the fate of their program to an FCS school. In addition he said if JMU doesn't go to the SB with Marshall they will be going to CUSA with Marshall, ODU & Charlotte. My gut tells me JMU may be leaking this stuff perhaps in an attempt to influence. Why? Because at the very end he says quite matter of fact there's a real possibility JMU remains FCS. What are the thoughts of you Marshall folks on this?

Outside of beating them in the 1AA playoffs ages ago and a few non-con basketball and Olympic games, we don't really have a history with JMU. I understand why they would be an attractive conference game for Marshall due to proximity. I also understand that an art-of-war type type strategy might disfavor elevating them due to where Marshall recruits, but I doubt Marshall thinks that way.

At any rate, I don't see a reason why JMU would kill a deal, especially if ODU, USM, and Charlotte are possibilities. I do think that Marshall's current leadership strongly favors regionality, and JMU, Appy, ODU, Charlotte, and Coastal all make a whole lot of sense due to proximity, recruiting footprint, and alumni presence.

I hope Marshall joins the Belt, with or without these other schools. It's time to move on and try to rebuild some conference rivalry where we fit in culturally.

JMU has exactly zero leverage. As in none. Marshall does, but why would they use it to get jmu in?

Marshall will do what's best for Marshall. I don't believe in any "package deal" especially with JMU. There's no connection there. ODU maybe (I don't see it), but in the long run we're going to do what our Alumni and BOG tell us to do to. Also the majority of our Alumni Clubs are in the Carolina's and in Florida.

Not Myrtle Beach? Isn't that where Rocket Kids parents moved?

Myrtle Beach LOL.. yep we gota lot of us down there.

(09-22-2021 01:00 PM)pjc1979 Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 12:48 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(09-22-2021 12:29 PM)pjc1979 Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 05:19 PM)IslandHerd1 Wrote:  Wood Selig from ODU made a mention about how he liked the MAC in the last 2 months, thought the at was a wild comment from him, wondering if ODU and another are headed to the MAC.

JMU has solid fan support, good facilities and are in rural Virginia. They’d be a solid add for the SB.

I’m hoping Marshall and 3 other solid adds are heading to the SBC. Let’s get the party started already.

Am I wrong in thinking that most of us believe Sun Belt expansion will follow along these lines?:

1) FAU and UAB are off the table to the AAC.
2) The Sun Belt grows by four.

Then:

1) Marshall is a no brainer.
2) One or two from the state of Virginia, pick from: JMU, Liberty, ODU.
3) One or both: Southern Miss, UTSA.

More like

1) Southern Miss
2) Marshall

Then nobody.

That's my guess, anyway.

I get the feeling in some of these posts that the western teams will want at least one add their way, at least if we expand by four. Southern Miss is basically near the middle of the Belt geographically and would probably make both sides happy.

It’s not that western schools want to add one to create balance, because I think pretty much everyone except maybe TXST would be more than happy with two good east adds that send Troy back into the fold.

It’s that if USM is available you are talking about a charter CUSA member and a school that is 98 miles from USA, 205 from ULM, 225 from UL, 250 from Troy, 365 from AState, 380 from GaSt, and right at equal distance from GaSo and TXST. They are close to the geographic center of the league which is roughly due west of Tuscaloosa, Alabama just over in Mississippi.

They have dandy facilities.