(09-23-2021 11:24 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  In tonight’s Appalachian State - Marshall game (App State won 31-30), Marshall was trying to let App State score so they could get the ball back. Instead the App State RB took a slide at the 5 yard line and they were able to run the clock out. Toledo could have done something very similar as has been suggested.

I was just going to post the exact same thing. App state had the lead, but it was smart football to keep it and kill the clock.

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Although it didn't help us at ND I am going to say that you will see that move being played out much more often because of our game at ND. Im sure JC will at least think of it when the time is right. Admit that having the lead changes that play dramatically.

(09-24-2021 06:38 AM)emanoh Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 11:24 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  In tonight’s Appalachian State - Marshall game (App State won 31-30), Marshall was trying to let App State score so they could get the ball back. Instead the App State RB took a slide at the 5 yard line and they were able to run the clock out. Toledo could have done something very similar as has been suggested.

I was just going to post the exact same thing. App state had the lead, but it was smart football to keep it and kill the clock.

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It's absolutely smart when you have the lead. Especially when there are several minutes or more for the opponent to get last score.

In hindsight, after seeing our OL performance against a "bottom ten" team, the difficulties the offense had performing on the FRIENDLY end of ND stadium, the success our defense was having against ND, presuming a 3 play 87 yard drive for a TD more likely than mistake free play to run down the clock, successfully snap and hold the ball without error in the student end of the stadium is the most wishful of thinking.

By scoring the TD, UT avoided the student crowd and forced ND into a full field TD (not FG) drive with but a minute of play in a game in which our defense had been slapping them around. This was much more likely to lead to a win than successfully running several plays to run down the clock, get a snap off for a FG in the student section, regardless it didn't. Even in hindsight.

You are behind at an away game and you can force your opponent into a full field TD drive with a minute to go and your defense has been dominant? No brainer. Take the points.

(09-23-2021 11:24 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  In tonight’s Appalachian State - Marshall game (App State won 31-30), Marshall was trying to let App State score so they could get the ball back. Instead the App State RB took a slide at the 5 yard line and they were able to run the clock out. Toledo could have done something very similar as has been suggested.

One YUGE difference...App St had the lead.

(09-24-2021 04:35 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 11:24 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  In tonight’s Appalachian State - Marshall game (App State won 31-30), Marshall was trying to let App State score so they could get the ball back. Instead the App State RB took a slide at the 5 yard line and they were able to run the clock out. Toledo could have done something very similar as has been suggested.

One YUGE difference...App St had the lead.

as I said, previous page. App St was also the home team. Apples and oranges when context is considered.

Maybe thoe proposing the obviousness of knee down, milk the clock have some still unexplained reason or stats to support why it would have been a better option in the given environment. I'm not coming up with them on my own.

Crowd noise was disrupting our O. Our OL was struggling. Our QB was struggling to communicate and get off clean plays even in the less noisy end of the stadium. I think it statistically in favor of going up by 5, forcing the TD march with only a minute on the clock against a D that had been very successful over hoping to milk the clock, get off a successful snap and hold at the student section.

Both SHOULD lead to a win but you never know when someone is going to improve their passing by dislocating a finger.

NONE of which presumes Coach Candle did or did not consider the option of taking a knee. Maybe it was to be a consideration but they ran a play that proved just a bit too successful.

(09-24-2021 05:42 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-24-2021 04:35 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 11:24 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  In tonight’s Appalachian State - Marshall game (App State won 31-30), Marshall was trying to let App State score so they could get the ball back. Instead the App State RB took a slide at the 5 yard line and they were able to run the clock out. Toledo could have done something very similar as has been suggested.

One YUGE difference...App St had the lead.

as I said, previous page. App St was also the home team. Apples and oranges when context is considered.

Maybe thoe proposing the obviousness of knee down, milk the clock have some still unexplained reason or stats to support why it would have been a better option in the given environment. I'm not coming up with them on my own.

Crowd noise was disrupting our O. Our OL was struggling. Our QB was struggling to communicate and get off clean plays even in the less noisy end of the stadium. I think it statistically in favor of going up by 5, forcing the TD march with only a minute on the clock against a D that had been very successful over hoping to milk the clock, get off a successful snap and hold at the student section.

Both SHOULD lead to a win but you never know when someone is going to improve their passing by dislocating a finger.

NONE of which presumes Coach Candle did or did not consider the option of taking a knee. Maybe it was to be a consideration but they ran a play that proved just a bit too successful.

Even though we didn't have the lead in the ND game, we would have had control of the clock in FG range. Controling the clock is the important part people keep missing. Just like App State, they kept the clock in their control. Even with a lead, Marshal could have done the same thing and scored in 2-3 plays. We'd have the clock on our side. We should have been able to silent snap and kneel on it 3x and chip shotted it for the win with seconds left on the clock. Ball Game.

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(09-24-2021 04:35 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 11:24 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  In tonight’s Appalachian State - Marshall game (App State won 31-30), Marshall was trying to let App State score so they could get the ball back. Instead the App State RB took a slide at the 5 yard line and they were able to run the clock out. Toledo could have done something very similar as has been suggested.

One YUGE difference...App St had the lead.

You cannot do that when you don't have the lead.

(09-25-2021 08:36 AM)emanoh Wrote:  

(09-24-2021 05:42 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-24-2021 04:35 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 11:24 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  In tonight’s Appalachian State - Marshall game (App State won 31-30), Marshall was trying to let App State score so they could get the ball back. Instead the App State RB took a slide at the 5 yard line and they were able to run the clock out. Toledo could have done something very similar as has been suggested.

One YUGE difference...App St had the lead.

as I said, previous page. App St was also the home team. Apples and oranges when context is considered.

Maybe thoe proposing the obviousness of knee down, milk the clock have some still unexplained reason or stats to support why it would have been a better option in the given environment. I'm not coming up with them on my own.

Crowd noise was disrupting our O. Our OL was struggling. Our QB was struggling to communicate and get off clean plays even in the less noisy end of the stadium. I think it statistically in favor of going up by 5, forcing the TD march with only a minute on the clock against a D that had been very successful over hoping to milk the clock, get off a successful snap and hold at the student section.

Both SHOULD lead to a win but you never know when someone is going to improve their passing by dislocating a finger.

NONE of which presumes Coach Candle did or did not consider the option of taking a knee. Maybe it was to be a consideration but they ran a play that proved just a bit too successful.

Even though we didn't have the lead in the ND game, we would have had control of the clock in FG range. Controling the clock is the important part people keep missing.

Not a person is missing it. What the take a knee crowd seems to be missing is that Toledo wasn't showing the ability to control the clock, as was seen in their attempts after ND's three play score. The offense was falling apart even on the quiet end of the stadium and the Defense was hurting ND.

Score, force the other team to score a full field TD when your defense is winning and there's only a minute left. They offense was fortunate to divert ND out of position and get that last score before entering the student noise. They would have faltered if they'd attempted to control the clock in that end of the field.

Theory in application is supposed to account for all facts, not just the few that make it work.

(09-23-2021 08:28 PM)nworocket Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 02:21 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 12:44 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 12:35 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  

(09-21-2021 04:18 PM)Lester Wrote:  The funny thing is that a week ago no one thought Candle was a bad coach or that the offensive line was incompetent.

I was specifically critical of Candle after the ND game for not communicating to his running QB to not run in the damn endzone, possess the ball and win the game. He is a horrible game tactician and we are stuck with him because the rest of college football knows it

Only someone as dense as you would have had him step out of bounds you have to take the points when you can get them. You cannot guarantee they would have scored any other way. In fact if they had run out at the one I bet they would have screwed it up and not scored

^^^ Yep, take the points...
A lot of things could have happened at the one yard line... False starts(Imagine that) / fumble / QB sack / possible block or missed FG attempt...

No, it was stupid for the QB to score the touchdown because UT could've burned the clock and kicked a chip shot for the win.

No, the ball would not have been fumbled because the QB could've taken a knee, and no kicker is going to miss what is virtually an extra point. God knows it wouldn't have been blocked.

You are truly ******* stupid.

(09-26-2021 07:45 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:28 PM)nworocket Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 02:21 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 12:44 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 12:35 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  I was specifically critical of Candle after the ND game for not communicating to his running QB to not run in the damn endzone, possess the ball and win the game. He is a horrible game tactician and we are stuck with him because the rest of college football knows it

Only someone as dense as you would have had him step out of bounds you have to take the points when you can get them. You cannot guarantee they would have scored any other way. In fact if they had run out at the one I bet they would have screwed it up and not scored

^^^ Yep, take the points...
A lot of things could have happened at the one yard line... False starts(Imagine that) / fumble / QB sack / possible block or missed FG attempt...

No, it was stupid for the QB to score the touchdown because UT could've burned the clock and kicked a chip shot for the win.

No, the ball would not have been fumbled because the QB could've taken a knee, and no kicker is going to miss what is virtually an extra point. God knows it wouldn't have been blocked.

You are truly ******* stupid.

No love for adunifon? He agreed with nworocket.

7-letter adjective modifying "stupid." Or is it an adverb modifying "truly?" Potts, couldn't you have just spelled it out? Oh Wait? Starts with "f?"

(09-26-2021 08:10 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 07:45 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:28 PM)nworocket Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 02:21 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 12:44 PM)rocketpaul Wrote:  Only someone as dense as you would have had him step out of bounds you have to take the points when you can get them. You cannot guarantee they would have scored any other way. In fact if they had run out at the one I bet they would have screwed it up and not scored

^^^ Yep, take the points...
A lot of things could have happened at the one yard line... False starts(Imagine that) / fumble / QB sack / possible block or missed FG attempt...

No, it was stupid for the QB to score the touchdown because UT could've burned the clock and kicked a chip shot for the win.

No, the ball would not have been fumbled because the QB could've taken a knee, and no kicker is going to miss what is virtually an extra point. God knows it wouldn't have been blocked.

You are truly ******* stupid.

No love for adunifon? He agreed with nworocket.

7-letter adjective modifying "stupid." Or is it an adverb modifying "truly?" Potts, couldn't you have just spelled it out? Oh Wait? Starts with "f?"

Falcons'

(09-26-2021 09:02 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 08:10 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-26-2021 07:45 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 08:28 PM)nworocket Wrote:  

(09-23-2021 02:21 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  ^^^ Yep, take the points...
A lot of things could have happened at the one yard line... False starts(Imagine that) / fumble / QB sack / possible block or missed FG attempt...

No, it was stupid for the QB to score the touchdown because UT could've burned the clock and kicked a chip shot for the win.

No, the ball would not have been fumbled because the QB could've taken a knee, and no kicker is going to miss what is virtually an extra point. God knows it wouldn't have been blocked.

You are truly ******* stupid.

No love for adunifon? He agreed with nworocket.

7-letter adjective modifying "stupid." Or is it an adverb modifying "truly?" Potts, couldn't you have just spelled it out? Oh Wait? Starts with "f?"

Falcons'