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(08-31-2021 08:09 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Somebody doesn't like that others may not share their opinion. That's life. Deal with it.

It's a lie you've been told to propagate by your cult leader and his fascist political apparatus for perceived gain. I'd feel pretty stupid if I were you, but then again, anti-vaxxer cultists are too stupid to know any better.

Ignorance is bliss!

(08-31-2021 07:47 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 07:22 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 03:27 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  Young peeople, for the most part, aren't getting the vaccine for themselves.

They're getting it for their family, friends, and cooworkers who might be vulnerable.

As for college athletes, yeah, they may not be too affected by Covid. But what about the coaches, trainers, medical staff, officials, admin staff, bus drivers, and stadium staff with whom they interact with?

Those people can take the vaccine and they should be fine, right?

Man, all those people that have dedicated their lives to medicine, science and the well-being of others are saying that young, healthy people should get the vaccine to control the spread of this disease.

But you know better, right?

True wisdom is knowing that you don't know everything. And so I defer to the people that know more than me.

There are just as many of 'those people" who are saying that there is no need for young people to get these experimental shots but they are being silenced and deplatformed by the scientists and drug makers who are making a huge profit with these shots.

(08-31-2021 08:41 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  There are just as many of 'those people" who are saying that there is no need for young people to get these experimental shots but they are being silenced and deplatformed by the scientists and drug makers who are making a huge profit with these shots.

Just another BS conspiracy theory. You're the real genius here, not the millions of Americans who have chosen to take a safe, reliable, and proven vaccine to prevent serious debilitating illness and death.

(08-31-2021 08:42 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:41 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  There are just as many of 'those people" who are saying that there is no need for young people to get these experimental shots but they are being silenced and deplatformed by the scientists and drug makers who are making a huge profit with these shots.

Just another BS conspiracy theory. You're the real genius here, not the millions of Americans who have chosen to take a safe, reliable, and proven vaccine to prevent serious debilitating illness and death.

1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

According to Dr Adam Bradley, head of the Mayo Clinic's
Covid 19 Task Force, the vaccines are not designed to prevent infection. They were designed to prevent hospitalizations, severe illness, and death. He says they
all are give or take 90% effective. The vaccines work well
with all but those with some type of immunosupressive
Issue going on.

as a health care worker it is clear that the vaccine is helpful in protecting myself, my co-workers and patients/community members. I can't speak for every doctor, but in my community all docs and public health workers support vaccination for everyone with possible exceptions for pregnant women and smaller children.

One can be right and say the vaccine is experimental, quickly developed, and extremely profitable for big pharma-yet have the wisdom to understand that its small risks are worth controlling the pandemic and saving many lives. Big pharma has been gauging America for decades with far less tested or necessary drugs and most folks said nothing. the bigger pharma issue is proprietary ownership of vaccine formulas by big pharma who could have made the vaccines public domain and allowed the entire world to produce their own vaccines. If that had been done in late 2020 when the first vaccines were ready there would no longer be a pandemic and covid would not become endemic in the population as it looks to become.

health care workers are exhausted. the unvaccinated are prolonging the pandemic in the US. that is fact. if you choose not to be vaccinated your choice should be respected as long as you are carefully following all precautions with proper masking, social distancing indoors, and avoiding groups. from a public contagion standpoint you should not be indoors around others beyond the people you live with unmasked for any reason-even to eat.

and if you choose not to be vaccinated I hope you also support women's right to choose when to have a baby, trans people's right make decisions about their sexuality, all other rights people choose to exert to control their body's health. anything else makes you a hypocrite.

btw, if you travel to countries with a high % vaccinated you will find little remaining covid outbreaks, no masking and fairly normal life. the US is a complete crapshoot of rules, personal responsibility (or lack of), safety and evidence based approaches.

(08-31-2021 11:12 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:42 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:41 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  There are just as many of 'those people" who are saying that there is no need for young people to get these experimental shots but they are being silenced and deplatformed by the scientists and drug makers who are making a huge profit with these shots.

Just another BS conspiracy theory. You're the real genius here, not the millions of Americans who have chosen to take a safe, reliable, and proven vaccine to prevent serious debilitating illness and death.

1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

3. 97% of COVID patients in our hospitals right now are unvaccinated. We are once again exceeding our capacities in the hospitals. So cancer patients & other sick Americans have to compete with the unvaccinated for medical attention. If every eligible American got the vaccine, this would not be the case.

Getting the vaccine does not eliminate your chances of getting COVID, but it greatly reduces the chances of getting it and spreading it AND it damn near eliminates your chances of getting really sick & dying.

(09-01-2021 08:43 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 11:12 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:42 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:41 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  There are just as many of 'those people" who are saying that there is no need for young people to get these experimental shots but they are being silenced and deplatformed by the scientists and drug makers who are making a huge profit with these shots.

Just another BS conspiracy theory. You're the real genius here, not the millions of Americans who have chosen to take a safe, reliable, and proven vaccine to prevent serious debilitating illness and death.

1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

3. 97% of COVID patients in our hospitals right now are unvaccinated. We are once again exceeding our capacities in the hospitals. So cancer patients & other sick Americans have to compete with the unvaccinated for medical attention. If every eligible American got the vaccine, this would not be the case.

Getting the vaccine does not eliminate your chances of getting COVID, but it greatly reduces the chances of getting it and spreading it AND it damn near eliminates your chances of getting really sick & dying.

You sure covid is exceeding capacities in our hospitals? Latest data shows covid patients using 1200 beds out of 26,000 total. Seems like you're spreading fake news.

(09-01-2021 08:43 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 11:12 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:42 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:41 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  There are just as many of 'those people" who are saying that there is no need for young people to get these experimental shots but they are being silenced and deplatformed by the scientists and drug makers who are making a huge profit with these shots.

Just another BS conspiracy theory. You're the real genius here, not the millions of Americans who have chosen to take a safe, reliable, and proven vaccine to prevent serious debilitating illness and death.

1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

3. 97% of COVID patients in our hospitals right now are unvaccinated. We are once again exceeding our capacities in the hospitals. So cancer patients & other sick Americans have to compete with the unvaccinated for medical attention. If every eligible American got the vaccine, this would not be the case.

Getting the vaccine does not eliminate your chances of getting COVID, but it greatly reduces the chances of getting it and spreading it AND it damn near eliminates your chances of getting really sick & dying.

Hospitals have been instructed by the CDC not to report hospitalizations of "vaccinated" people. Leaked memos have shown this.
The UK and Israel have over 60% of their hospitalized Covid patients fully "vaccinated".

(09-01-2021 09:08 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 08:43 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 11:12 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:42 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:41 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  There are just as many of 'those people" who are saying that there is no need for young people to get these experimental shots but they are being silenced and deplatformed by the scientists and drug makers who are making a huge profit with these shots.

Just another BS conspiracy theory. You're the real genius here, not the millions of Americans who have chosen to take a safe, reliable, and proven vaccine to prevent serious debilitating illness and death.

1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

3. 97% of COVID patients in our hospitals right now are unvaccinated. We are once again exceeding our capacities in the hospitals. So cancer patients & other sick Americans have to compete with the unvaccinated for medical attention. If every eligible American got the vaccine, this would not be the case.

Getting the vaccine does not eliminate your chances of getting COVID, but it greatly reduces the chances of getting it and spreading it AND it damn near eliminates your chances of getting really sick & dying.

You sure covid is exceeding capacities in our hospitals? Latest data shows covid patients using 1200 beds out of 26,000 total. Seems like you're spreading fake news.

What are these numbers? What does 26,000 represent? Sources? You just saying "Fake News" doesn't actually prove anything.

We are averaging 100,000 hospitalizations per day due to COVID. Deaths have reached 1000 per day again. And we have a vaccine that would prevent 97% of this.

The U.S. reaches a daily average of 100,000 Covid hospitalizations for the first time since the winter peak.

By Dan Levin
The New York Times
Aug. 29, 2021

The daily average for hospitalized Covid-19 patients in the United States is now more than 100,000 over the last week. That average is higher than in any previous surge except last winter’s, before most Americans were eligible to get vaccinated.

The influx of patients is straining hospitals and pushing health care workers to the brink as deaths have risen to an average of more than 1,000 a day for the first time since March. The seven-day average of Covid hospitalizations peaked in mid-January with nearly 140,000 people hospitalized.

Hospitalizations nationwide have increased by nearly 500 percent in the past two months, particularly across Southern states, where I.C.U. beds are filling up, a crisis fueled by some of the country’s lowest vaccination rates and widespread political opposition to public health measures like mask requirements.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/us/de...ients.html

(09-01-2021 10:09 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 09:08 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 08:43 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 11:12 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:42 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  Just another BS conspiracy theory. You're the real genius here, not the millions of Americans who have chosen to take a safe, reliable, and proven vaccine to prevent serious debilitating illness and death.

1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

3. 97% of COVID patients in our hospitals right now are unvaccinated. We are once again exceeding our capacities in the hospitals. So cancer patients & other sick Americans have to compete with the unvaccinated for medical attention. If every eligible American got the vaccine, this would not be the case.

Getting the vaccine does not eliminate your chances of getting COVID, but it greatly reduces the chances of getting it and spreading it AND it damn near eliminates your chances of getting really sick & dying.

You sure covid is exceeding capacities in our hospitals? Latest data shows covid patients using 1200 beds out of 26,000 total. Seems like you're spreading fake news.

What are these numbers? What does 26,000 represent? Sources? You just saying "Fake News" doesn't actually prove anything.

We are averaging 100,000 hospitalizations per day due to COVID. Deaths have reached 1000 per day again. And we have a vaccine that would prevent 97% of this.

The U.S. reaches a daily average of 100,000 Covid hospitalizations for the first time since the winter peak.

By Dan Levin
The New York Times
Aug. 29, 2021

The daily average for hospitalized Covid-19 patients in the United States is now more than 100,000 over the last week. That average is higher than in any previous surge except last winter’s, before most Americans were eligible to get vaccinated.

The influx of patients is straining hospitals and pushing health care workers to the brink as deaths have risen to an average of more than 1,000 a day for the first time since March. The seven-day average of Covid hospitalizations peaked in mid-January with nearly 140,000 people hospitalized.

Hospitalizations nationwide have increased by nearly 500 percent in the past two months, particularly across Southern states, where I.C.U. beds are filling up, a crisis fueled by some of the country’s lowest vaccination rates and widespread political opposition to public health measures like mask requirements.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/us/de...ients.html

I was speaking specifically about Michigan. We have 26,000 hospital beds and 1200 are currently being used by Covid patients. Keep in mind they test everyone for covid so some are there for reasons un-related to covid but still get counted.

https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9...--,00.html


The virus peaks in the South in the summer and the North during fall/winter. Not sure it has anything to do with masks or vaccines. Simply people gathering indoors with a highly contagious airborne virus.

(08-31-2021 11:12 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:42 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:41 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  There are just as many of 'those people" who are saying that there is no need for young people to get these experimental shots but they are being silenced and deplatformed by the scientists and drug makers who are making a huge profit with these shots.

Just another BS conspiracy theory. You're the real genius here, not the millions of Americans who have chosen to take a safe, reliable, and proven vaccine to prevent serious debilitating illness and death.

1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

This is so cringe. How are people so easily fooled?

(09-01-2021 04:32 AM)pono Wrote:  as a health care worker it is clear that the vaccine is helpful in protecting myself, my co-workers and patients/community members. I can't speak for every doctor, but in my community all docs and public health workers support vaccination for everyone with possible exceptions for pregnant women and smaller children.

One can be right and say the vaccine is experimental, quickly developed, and extremely profitable for big pharma-yet have the wisdom to understand that its small risks are worth controlling the pandemic and saving many lives. Big pharma has been gauging America for decades with far less tested or necessary drugs and most folks said nothing. the bigger pharma issue is proprietary ownership of vaccine formulas by big pharma who could have made the vaccines public domain and allowed the entire world to produce their own vaccines. If that had been done in late 2020 when the first vaccines were ready there would no longer be a pandemic and covid would not become endemic in the population as it looks to become.

health care workers are exhausted. the unvaccinated are prolonging the pandemic in the US. that is fact. if you choose not to be vaccinated your choice should be respected as long as you are carefully following all precautions with proper masking, social distancing indoors, and avoiding groups. from a public contagion standpoint you should not be indoors around others beyond the people you live with unmasked for any reason-even to eat.

and if you choose not to be vaccinated I hope you also support women's right to choose when to have a baby, trans people's right make decisions about their sexuality, all other rights people choose to exert to control their body's health. anything else makes you a hypocrite.

btw, if you travel to countries with a high % vaccinated you will find little remaining covid outbreaks, no masking and fairly normal life. the US is a complete crapshoot of rules, personal responsibility (or lack of), safety and evidence based approaches.

Thanks for your work on the front line and a well reasoned and positive intentioned post.

(08-31-2021 11:12 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

This is complete nonsense. And is very dangerous nonsense at that. If you think that the vaccines that have been given to 3 billion people may have secret side effects that are worse than the 4.5 million+ who have died from Covid, you are suffering from a dangerous delusion.

(09-01-2021 08:43 AM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 11:12 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:42 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:41 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  There are just as many of 'those people" who are saying that there is no need for young people to get these experimental shots but they are being silenced and deplatformed by the scientists and drug makers who are making a huge profit with these shots.

Just another BS conspiracy theory. You're the real genius here, not the millions of Americans who have chosen to take a safe, reliable, and proven vaccine to prevent serious debilitating illness and death.

1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

3. 97% of COVID patients in our hospitals right now are unvaccinated. We are once again exceeding our capacities in the hospitals. So cancer patients & other sick Americans have to compete with the unvaccinated for medical attention. If every eligible American got the vaccine, this would not be the case.

Getting the vaccine does not eliminate your chances of getting COVID, but it greatly reduces the chances of getting it and spreading it AND it damn near eliminates your chances of getting really sick & dying.

The 97% unvaccinated number is old data. It's from before everyone was allowed to get the shots. As of June (the CDC's latest update) it's down to 76%.

(09-01-2021 10:51 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 11:12 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

This is complete nonsense. And is very dangerous nonsense at that. If you think that the vaccines that have been given to 3 billion people may have secret side effects that are worse than the 4.5 million+ who have died from Covid, you are suffering from a dangerous delusion.

So you have seen into the future and seen that there are no long-term effects? Cool.
Pay no mind to the people resigning from the CDC and FDA over the approvals of the shots without due process. I'm sure they know nothing.

(08-31-2021 08:42 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:41 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  There are just as many of 'those people" who are saying that there is no need for young people to get these experimental shots but they are being silenced and deplatformed by the scientists and drug makers who are making a huge profit with these shots.

Just another BS conspiracy theory. You're the real genius here, not the millions of Americans who have chosen to take a safe, reliable, and proven vaccine to prevent serious debilitating illness and death.

But should those with natural immunity be forced to get
a vaccine that really doesn't help them. You certainly could be tested for the antibodies. Natural immunity effects the entire surface of the virus and is many times
more effective than the vaccine. A significant number of nonvaccinated could already have natural immunity. You don't know unless you test for it. And if you are vaccinated, you're ok until it's time for your booster.

The administration never should have mandated vaccinations for athletes only.

Every student, staff, and faculty member should be mandated.

(09-01-2021 11:41 AM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 10:51 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 11:12 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

This is complete nonsense. And is very dangerous nonsense at that. If you think that the vaccines that have been given to 3 billion people may have secret side effects that are worse than the 4.5 million+ who have died from Covid, you are suffering from a dangerous delusion.

So you have seen into the future and seen that there are no long-term effects? Cool.
Pay no mind to the people resigning from the CDC and FDA over the approvals of the shots without due process. I'm sure they know nothing.

Give me some sources for CDC & FDA people resigning over the approvals of the shots without due process.

(09-01-2021 02:51 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  The administration never should have mandated vaccinations for athletes only.

Every student, staff, and faculty member should be mandated.

Not picking a side, but that may have been easier. However, based upon some reports from parents of students at GVSU, the exemptions were liberally granted.

It is a difficult issue. I struggle to know what to believe. I am vaccinated, due in part to my wife being a health care ‘provider’. But, I struggle with how this issue has become so political and ugly.

The us against them mentality of our society has to stop. I swear if you watch two different news stations you get basically opposite information. Where are just the facts?

(09-01-2021 04:10 PM)BroncoMinor Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 11:41 AM)sketownguy Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 10:51 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 11:12 PM)sketownguy Wrote:  1. Vaccines give people immunity which these shots do not do. 2. More people have died from taking the Covid shots than all combined vaccines in the last 50 years. 3. Thousands of "fully vaccinated" people are in the hospital too.
Do go on about how safe, reliable, and proven these "vaccines" are.

This is complete nonsense. And is very dangerous nonsense at that. If you think that the vaccines that have been given to 3 billion people may have secret side effects that are worse than the 4.5 million+ who have died from Covid, you are suffering from a dangerous delusion.

So you have seen into the future and seen that there are no long-term effects? Cool.
Pay no mind to the people resigning from the CDC and FDA over the approvals of the shots without due process. I'm sure they know nothing.

Give me some sources for CDC & FDA people resigning over the approvals of the shots without due process.

https://humanevents.com/2021/08/31/top-v...volvement/
Stop watching CNN.