This should be a busy time for the new commish because he should be talking to everyone. Okl, Texas, the Pac12, Big12 and SEC about a merger or partial merger, Penn State, Maryland... pretty much everyone in College football just to cover the what if scenarios.

What will happen? 90% sure it will be nothing. WVU wants to join but how does that help the ACC? Kansas would help basketball but are way out of the footprint. Okl Texas are probably going to end up in the SEC. The ACC should sit at 14 like they've been doing and wait on ND. Once the 12-team playoff goes through you can stop waiting on ND. Maybe add 2 schools IF ESPN will pay handsomely for them, if not stay at 14.

The question is how long will the GoR keep the conference together? If the ACC is $40 million behind the SEC and $30 million behind the B1G, then it makes sense that schools will challenge the GoR 4-5 years before it ends. So... 2030-2032ish.

Edit : Now that we know Texas and Oklahoma are waiting until the end of the Big 12 GoR to move to the SEC, I feel better about the GoR holding the ACC together.

(07-28-2021 01:19 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  This should be a busy time for the new commish because he should be talking to everyone. Okl, Texas, the Pac12, Big12 and SEC about a merger or partial merger, Penn State, Maryland... pretty much everyone in College football just to cover the what if scenarios.

What will happen? 90% sure it will be nothing. WVU wants to join but how does that help the ACC? Kansas would help basketball but are way out of the footprint. Okl Texas are probably going to end up in the SEC. The ACC should sit at 14 like they've been doing and wait on ND. Once the 12-team playoff goes through you can stop waiting on ND. Maybe add 2 schools IF ESPN will pay handsomely for them, if not stay at 14.

The question is how long will the GoR keep the conference together? If the ACC is $40 million behind the SEC and $30 million behind the B1G, then it makes sense that schools will challenge the GoR 4-5 years before it ends. So... 2030-2032ish.

Edit : Now that we know Texas and Oklahoma are waiting until the end of the Big 12 GoR to move to the SEC, I feel better about the GoR holding the ACC together.

One option the ACC should pursue, IMO, is to offer a combination of USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Notre Dame, and Navy (football-only, and on the condition that Notre Dame also joins for football). This would give the ACC
...the most brand names (more than even the SEC or B1G)
...by FAR the biggest TV footprint
...excellent recruiting territory on both coasts.

It also makes it feasible to have FOUR games every Saturday (11:30 AM, 3:00 PM, 6:30 PM, and 10:00 PM, ET).

This setup would have ESPN salivating!

Call it the "CCC" (Coast-to-Coast Conference), or the "SSSC" (Sea-to-Shining-Sea Conference).

Don’t think the ACC gets Pacific teams more money than they already have. Big Ten is the only one who can pry them apart.

ACC likely won’t do anything. A “big” move would be to grab Kansas, OK State, a Texas school and one more (likely not WVU, sorry). All those schools would take the deal and the ACC would position itself well with a couple more SEC-ACC rivalries.

Long term, the ACC might be pulled apart after 2036. A common identity as SEC-foil is one of many possible routes they could take to prevent that dissolution.

(07-28-2021 10:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 01:19 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  This should be a busy time for the new commish because he should be talking to everyone. Okl, Texas, the Pac12, Big12 and SEC about a merger or partial merger, Penn State, Maryland... pretty much everyone in College football just to cover the what if scenarios.

What will happen? 90% sure it will be nothing. WVU wants to join but how does that help the ACC? Kansas would help basketball but are way out of the footprint. Okl Texas are probably going to end up in the SEC. The ACC should sit at 14 like they've been doing and wait on ND. Once the 12-team playoff goes through you can stop waiting on ND. Maybe add 2 schools IF ESPN will pay handsomely for them, if not stay at 14.

The question is how long will the GoR keep the conference together? If the ACC is $40 million behind the SEC and $30 million behind the B1G, then it makes sense that schools will challenge the GoR 4-5 years before it ends. So... 2030-2032ish.

Edit : Now that we know Texas and Oklahoma are waiting until the end of the Big 12 GoR to move to the SEC, I feel better about the GoR holding the ACC together.

One option the ACC should pursue, IMO, is to offer a combination of USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Notre Dame, and Navy (football-only, and on the condition that Notre Dame also joins for football). This would give the ACC
...the most brand names (more than even the SEC or B1G)
...by FAR the biggest TV footprint
...excellent recruiting territory on both coasts.

It also makes it feasible to have FOUR games every Saturday (11:30 AM, 3:00 PM, 6:30 PM, and 10:00 PM, ET).

This setup would have ESPN salivating!

Call it the "CCC" (Coast-to-Coast Conference), or the "SSSC" (Sea-to-Shining-Sea Conference).

NO! The ACC=All Coast Conference

That is what I have been advocating for.

(07-28-2021 11:12 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 10:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 01:19 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  This should be a busy time for the new commish because he should be talking to everyone. Okl, Texas, the Pac12, Big12 and SEC about a merger or partial merger, Penn State, Maryland... pretty much everyone in College football just to cover the what if scenarios.

What will happen? 90% sure it will be nothing. WVU wants to join but how does that help the ACC? Kansas would help basketball but are way out of the footprint. Okl Texas are probably going to end up in the SEC. The ACC should sit at 14 like they've been doing and wait on ND. Once the 12-team playoff goes through you can stop waiting on ND. Maybe add 2 schools IF ESPN will pay handsomely for them, if not stay at 14.

The question is how long will the GoR keep the conference together? If the ACC is $40 million behind the SEC and $30 million behind the B1G, then it makes sense that schools will challenge the GoR 4-5 years before it ends. So... 2030-2032ish.

Edit : Now that we know Texas and Oklahoma are waiting until the end of the Big 12 GoR to move to the SEC, I feel better about the GoR holding the ACC together.

One option the ACC should pursue, IMO, is to offer a combination of USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Notre Dame, and Navy (football-only, and on the condition that Notre Dame also joins for football). This would give the ACC
...the most brand names (more than even the SEC or B1G)
...by FAR the biggest TV footprint
...excellent recruiting territory on both coasts.

It also makes it feasible to have FOUR games every Saturday (11:30 AM, 3:00 PM, 6:30 PM, and 10:00 PM, ET).

This setup would have ESPN salivating!

Call it the "CCC" (Coast-to-Coast Conference), or the "SSSC" (Sea-to-Shining-Sea Conference).

NO! The ACC=All Coast Conference

That is what I have been advocating for.

(07-28-2021 01:19 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  This should be a busy time for the new commish because he should be talking to everyone. Okl, Texas, the Pac12, Big12 and SEC about a merger or partial merger, Penn State, Maryland... pretty much everyone in College football just to cover the what if scenarios.

What will happen? 90% sure it will be nothing. WVU wants to join but how does that help the ACC? Kansas would help basketball but are way out of the footprint. Okl Texas are probably going to end up in the SEC. The ACC should sit at 14 like they've been doing and wait on ND. Once the 12-team playoff goes through you can stop waiting on ND. Maybe add 2 schools IF ESPN will pay handsomely for them, if not stay at 14.

The question is how long will the GoR keep the conference together? If the ACC is $40 million behind the SEC and $30 million behind the B1G, then it makes sense that schools will challenge the GoR 4-5 years before it ends. So... 2030-2032ish.

Edit : Now that we know Texas and Oklahoma are waiting until the end of the Big 12 GoR to move to the SEC, I feel better about the GoR holding the ACC together.

If the ACC management team sits and does nothing, then without a doubt the end will come in the 2032 to 2036 time frame. Both the B1G and SEC apparently want North Carolina and Virginia. I don't know the new ACC management team but if they are anything like the last management team then the ACC is doomed to collapse when the SEC and B1G come for teams. Hopefully they will do something, i like building the best basketball league in college in the US and sell it to the world. Maybe there are other options with doing an alliance with the Pac 12. Something that would pool the revenues for TV might work because it would give value to the advertisers to have their ads in front of the TV audience from morning to night. Desperate times call for desperate measures, so hopefully they can think of something. Possibly an alliance with the B1G and Pac 12 might be an idea to try and stop the SEC from world conquest. That would be a very enticing package for advertisers.

(07-28-2021 10:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 01:19 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  This should be a busy time for the new commish because he should be talking to everyone. Okl, Texas, the Pac12, Big12 and SEC about a merger or partial merger, Penn State, Maryland... pretty much everyone in College football just to cover the what if scenarios.

What will happen? 90% sure it will be nothing. WVU wants to join but how does that help the ACC? Kansas would help basketball but are way out of the footprint. Okl Texas are probably going to end up in the SEC. The ACC should sit at 14 like they've been doing and wait on ND. Once the 12-team playoff goes through you can stop waiting on ND. Maybe add 2 schools IF ESPN will pay handsomely for them, if not stay at 14.

The question is how long will the GoR keep the conference together? If the ACC is $40 million behind the SEC and $30 million behind the B1G, then it makes sense that schools will challenge the GoR 4-5 years before it ends. So... 2030-2032ish.

Edit : Now that we know Texas and Oklahoma are waiting until the end of the Big 12 GoR to move to the SEC, I feel better about the GoR holding the ACC together.

One option the ACC should pursue, IMO, is to offer a combination of USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Notre Dame, and Navy (football-only, and on the condition that Notre Dame also joins for football). This would give the ACC
...the most brand names (more than even the SEC or B1G)
...by FAR the biggest TV footprint
...excellent recruiting territory on both coasts.

It also makes it feasible to have FOUR games every Saturday (11:30 AM, 3:00 PM, 6:30 PM, and 10:00 PM, ET).

This setup would have ESPN salivating!

Call it the "CCC" (Coast-to-Coast Conference), or the "SSSC" (Sea-to-Shining-Sea Conference).

That is a good idea. I like it. Thinking outside the box is the only way the ACC is going to save itself from the SEC/B1G reaper that is coming in 2032-2036. That would be quite enticing for advertisers.

(07-28-2021 10:20 PM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 10:24 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 01:19 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  This should be a busy time for the new commish because he should be talking to everyone. Okl, Texas, the Pac12, Big12 and SEC about a merger or partial merger, Penn State, Maryland... pretty much everyone in College football just to cover the what if scenarios.

What will happen? 90% sure it will be nothing. WVU wants to join but how does that help the ACC? Kansas would help basketball but are way out of the footprint. Okl Texas are probably going to end up in the SEC. The ACC should sit at 14 like they've been doing and wait on ND. Once the 12-team playoff goes through you can stop waiting on ND. Maybe add 2 schools IF ESPN will pay handsomely for them, if not stay at 14.

The question is how long will the GoR keep the conference together? If the ACC is $40 million behind the SEC and $30 million behind the B1G, then it makes sense that schools will challenge the GoR 4-5 years before it ends. So... 2030-2032ish.

Edit : Now that we know Texas and Oklahoma are waiting until the end of the Big 12 GoR to move to the SEC, I feel better about the GoR holding the ACC together.

One option the ACC should pursue, IMO, is to offer a combination of USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Notre Dame, and Navy (football-only, and on the condition that Notre Dame also joins for football). This would give the ACC
...the most brand names (more than even the SEC or B1G)
...by FAR the biggest TV footprint
...excellent recruiting territory on both coasts.

It also makes it feasible to have FOUR games every Saturday (11:30 AM, 3:00 PM, 6:30 PM, and 10:00 PM, ET).

This setup would have ESPN salivating!

Call it the "CCC" (Coast-to-Coast Conference), or the "SSSC" (Sea-to-Shining-Sea Conference).

That is a good idea. I like it. Thinking outside the box is the only way the ACC is going to save itself from the SEC/B1G reaper that is coming in 2032-2036. That would be quite enticing for advertisers.

A problem is that the Pac 12's media contract will be available in 2024. They are currently making about what the ACC is, and will probably be making more than us after they re-up their contract.. However, if ESPN wants the key Pac 12 schools completely under their umbrella, they could make it happen.

(07-27-2021 02:17 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Then ACC/SEC merger + 2 for 32 team Super League (ESPN).
Then B1G/PAC merger + 6 for 32 team Super League (FOX).

That's one popular idea. Essentially everyone is consolidated into two new athletic associations, a South ESPN association and a North Fox/Others association.

If I'm the ACC commissioner maybe I would prefer something different:

Coastal Athletic Association
(aka Hokie Mark's CCC Coast-to-Coast Conference or SSSC Sea-to-Shining-Sea Conference, domer1878's ACC All Coast Conference)

Maybe I'm in a mood to contact friends on the West Coast about creating a Coastal Athletic Association consisting of two big leagues--East and West, natch. Leave the B1G and SEC to fight over the flyover.

PAC schools aren't getting the value they want out of their current media arrangement, so maybe the best thing is for PAC schools, in effect, to 'join' the ACC and become part of its current media deal.

What is now the ACC Network becomes a network devoted to college athletics on both US coasts. Let's call the new entity the Coastal Athletic Association (CAA).

There's quite a bit of media value in that arrangement. The new Coastal Athletic Association would encompass major population centers and protect present rivalries. The time zone difference becomes a media advantage. Western schools can start events at times more natural for them because their partners on the East coast cover the earlier slots. It's a round-the-clock network that, unlike others, could even draw international viewers.

The title game between the champions of East and West coasts would be must-see game. If promoted well, even people that don't even watch football most days would tune in and feel they have a stake.

A bi-coastal CAA also meets the needs of school administrators that are driving change now: the need for an organising entity to replace the NCAA in handling NIL issues, academic standards, post-season events, and the like.

With a serious contract (looking daggers at ESPN), the new Coastal Athletic Association could be attractive to schools now sitting in other conferences. If it's all a financial wash between one league and another, maybe you consider signing up if you're Penn State. With Southern Cal and Stanford now under the umbrella, maybe ND says, well, that changes things. You can get more valuable matchups for the league and the individual schools by actually restoring old rivalries.

Among other options to explore, that's one. The ACC and the PAC should be talking.

1. Oslo
2. Aberdeen
3. Copenhagen
4. Dublin

This is a good north sea 4.

(07-27-2021 02:17 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Then ACC/SEC merger + 2 for 32 team Super League (ESPN).

Then B1G/PAC merger + 6 for 32 team Super League (FOX).

Still only 6-8 teams that will consistently compete for a National Championship year after year so why even have conferences?

Message board chatter this week seems to divide evenly between armchair generals fighting the last war and people who recognise that a new paradigm is on the way.

The NCAA just collapsed. There's a power vacuum now just as universities need a capable organisation to manage new NIL needs.

Power vacuums get filled. Presidents and ADs are saying they need this to happen quickly. They are predicting big changes. This isn't your old Jim Delany add-two-schools-for-more-cable-access game.

Conferences that go past 16 members are bidding to become more than conferences. They want a role as The Next Big Thing that replaces the NCAA.

(07-31-2021 04:37 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:17 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Then ACC/SEC merger + 2 for 32 team Super League (ESPN).
Then B1G/PAC merger + 6 for 32 team Super League (FOX).

That's one popular idea. Essentially everyone is consolidated into two new athletic associations, a South ESPN association and a North Fox/Others association.

If I'm the ACC commissioner maybe I would prefer something different:

Coastal Athletic Association
(aka Hokie Mark's CCC Coast-to-Coast Conference or SSSC Sea-to-Shining-Sea Conference, domer1878's ACC All Coast Conference)

Maybe I'm in a mood to contact friends on the West Coast about creating a Coastal Athletic Association consisting of two big leagues--East and West, natch. Leave the B1G and SEC to fight over the flyover.

PAC schools aren't getting the value they want out of their current media arrangement, so maybe the best thing is for PAC schools, in effect, to 'join' the ACC and become part of its current media deal.

What is now the ACC Network becomes a network devoted to college athletics on both US coasts. Let's call the new entity the Coastal Athletic Association (CAA).

There's quite a bit of media value in that arrangement. The new Coastal Athletic Association would encompass major population centers and protect present rivalries. The time zone difference becomes a media advantage. Western schools can start events at times more natural for them because their partners on the East coast cover the earlier slots. It's a round-the-clock network that, unlike others, could even draw international viewers.

The title game between the champions of East and West coasts would be must-see game. If promoted well, even people that don't even watch football most days would tune in and feel they have a stake.

A bi-coastal CAA also meets the needs of school administrators that are driving change now: the need for an organising entity to replace the NCAA in handling NIL issues, academic standards, post-season events, and the like.

With a serious contract (looking daggers at ESPN), the new Coastal Athletic Association could be attractive to schools now sitting in other conferences. If it's all a financial wash between one league and another, maybe you consider signing up if you're Penn State. With Southern Cal and Stanford now under the umbrella, maybe ND says, well, that changes things. You can get more valuable matchups for the league and the individual schools by actually restoring old rivalries.

Among other options to explore, that's one. The ACC and the PAC should be talking.

I have to agree that this is a great idea. By itself the PAC 12 and ACC are the two weakest of the conferences but combining together, it is a very enticing and valuable media package for companies that want to reach a national audience. The coasts have a lot of people and money and national companies would be able to put their advertising dollars in telecasts featuring this combined conference.

(07-31-2021 05:05 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  Message board chatter this week seems to divide evenly between armchair generals fighting the last war and people who recognise that a new paradigm is on the way.

The NCAA just collapsed. There's a power vacuum now just as universities need a capable organisation to manage new NIL needs.

Power vacuums get filled. Presidents and ADs are saying they need this to happen quickly. They are predicting big changes. This isn't your old Jim Delany add-two-schools-for-more-cable-access game.

Conferences that go past 16 members are bidding to become more than conferences. They want a role as The Next Big Thing that replaces the NCAA.

It is not just NIL, it is the internet streaming revolution that is changing viewing habits around the world. At some point it might be worth each college sport to have a super league where only the best teams in the country would compete in it. This league would have packaged television rights and sold across the country and around the world (if the sport is popular around the world). Regional conferences like the ACC, SEC, B1G and Pac12 might cease to exist if super leagues for various sports were created nation wide to package up to sell to the world. It seems to work well for the Premier League in the UK or La Liga in Spain. They have a world wide audience for what we call soccer.

(08-01-2021 12:03 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 04:37 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 02:17 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Then ACC/SEC merger + 2 for 32 team Super League (ESPN).
Then B1G/PAC merger + 6 for 32 team Super League (FOX).

That's one popular idea. Essentially everyone is consolidated into two new athletic associations, a South ESPN association and a North Fox/Others association.

If I'm the ACC commissioner maybe I would prefer something different:

Coastal Athletic Association
(aka Hokie Mark's CCC Coast-to-Coast Conference or SSSC Sea-to-Shining-Sea Conference, domer1878's ACC All Coast Conference)

Maybe I'm in a mood to contact friends on the West Coast about creating a Coastal Athletic Association consisting of two big leagues--East and West, natch. Leave the B1G and SEC to fight over the flyover.

PAC schools aren't getting the value they want out of their current media arrangement, so maybe the best thing is for PAC schools, in effect, to 'join' the ACC and become part of its current media deal.

What is now the ACC Network becomes a network devoted to college athletics on both US coasts. Let's call the new entity the Coastal Athletic Association (CAA).

There's quite a bit of media value in that arrangement. The new Coastal Athletic Association would encompass major population centers and protect present rivalries. The time zone difference becomes a media advantage. Western schools can start events at times more natural for them because their partners on the East coast cover the earlier slots. It's a round-the-clock network that, unlike others, could even draw international viewers.

The title game between the champions of East and West coasts would be must-see game. If promoted well, even people that don't even watch football most days would tune in and feel they have a stake.

A bi-coastal CAA also meets the needs of school administrators that are driving change now: the need for an organising entity to replace the NCAA in handling NIL issues, academic standards, post-season events, and the like.

With a serious contract (looking daggers at ESPN), the new Coastal Athletic Association could be attractive to schools now sitting in other conferences. If it's all a financial wash between one league and another, maybe you consider signing up if you're Penn State. With Southern Cal and Stanford now under the umbrella, maybe ND says, well, that changes things. You can get more valuable matchups for the league and the individual schools by actually restoring old rivalries.

Among other options to explore, that's one. The ACC and the PAC should be talking.

I have to agree that this is a great idea. By itself the PAC 12 and ACC are the two weakest of the conferences but combining together, it is a very enticing and valuable media package for companies that want to reach a national audience. The coasts have a lot of people and money and national companies would be able to put their advertising dollars in telecasts featuring this combined conference.

If the Pac 12 is going to merge with another conference, I would think it would be the B1G. If the B1G turns them down or only wants 6 schools, I could see them pairing up with the ACC. But does the ACC want all 12 Pac 12 schools. More importantly, does the Pac 12 want all 14 ACC schools. I could see both conferences having to pair down to 10 teams each before a merger could happen and no one wants to do that.

Also, I assume this is only for football. Shipping all the Olympic sports across the country would be asinine.

(07-27-2021 01:55 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  Penn State and Notre Dame

Yep!
This is the only pair that could possibly insure the long term security of the ACC.
You have to wonder if it would be necessary to take Rutgers and Maryland too?

This is obviously an unpopular opinion here, but I just don't see any good business reasons for ND football to react to this and join the ACC.

If two super conferences are inevitable, then the best bet seems for ND to remain an independent, renew its TV deal in four years and ride things out until it has to join the Big Ten super conference.

Joining the ACC for football means ND jettisons independence but gets less way money for it (and will tie itself up further with the ACC/GOR) in a non-super conference than if it just waits until the Big Ten grabs Southern Cal and Stanford, among others.

Even if ND joined the ACC in full, would the latter still survive in the age of super conferences or would ND just be climbing aboard a sinking ship with a bucket and a mop?

Doesn't the ACC just blow up whenever the GOR expires ?

Don't the best pieces just break off for the two super conferences at that point, no matter what?

Just exactly what would ND football joining the ACC do for either of those entities, long term??

Tell me how ND football joining stops the SEC and Big Ten in their tracks, because if it doesn't, then why do it at all?

(08-01-2021 01:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is obviously an unpopular opinion here, but I just don't see any good business reasons for ND football to react to this and join the ACC.

If two super conferences are inevitable, then the best bet seems for ND to remain an independent, renew its TV deal in four years and ride things out until it has to join the Big Ten super conference.

Joining the ACC for football means ND jettisons independence but gets less way money for it than if it waits until the Big Ten grabs Southern Cal and Stanford, among others.

Even if ND joined the ACC in full, would the latter still survive in the age of super conferences or would ND just be climbing aboard a sinking ship with a bucket ?

Doesn't the ACC just blow up whenever the GOR expires ?

Don't the best pieces just break off for the two super conferences at that point, no matter what?

Just exactly what would ND football joining the ACC do for either of those entities, long term??

Tell me how ND football joining stops the SEC and Big Ten in their tracks, because if it doesn't, then why do it at all?

What would ND joining do? Nothing. A $3-$5 mil jump per school per year until the GoR expires and then we all go our separate ways.

There will be an ACC left, and they will still be attractive enough to land UConn, Temple, WVU, Cincy, Memphis UCF and USF if they want.

So, if super conferences come about but no break away, ND can still be independent with a 5 game deal with either the ACC, B12 or Pac12 remainders or whatever 3rd conference arises.

Worst case scenario for ND, is that there's a full break away with 2 conferences B1G/P12 and SEC/ACC and ND will be forced to be in a conference, in a division, probably with Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern and Illinois. But none of that happens before 2036.

(08-01-2021 01:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is obviously an unpopular opinion here, but I just don't see any good business reasons for ND football to react to this and join the ACC.

If two super conferences are inevitable, then the best bet seems for ND to remain an independent, renew its TV deal in four years and ride things out until it has to join the Big Ten super conference.

Joining the ACC for football means ND jettisons independence but gets less way money for it (and will tie itself up further with the ACC/GOR) in a non-super conference than if it just waits until the Big Ten grabs Southern Cal and Stanford, among others.

Even if ND joined the ACC in full, would the latter still survive in the age of super conferences or would ND just be climbing aboard a sinking ship with a bucket and a mop?

Doesn't the ACC just blow up whenever the GOR expires ?

Don't the best pieces just break off for the two super conferences at that point, no matter what?

Just exactly what would ND football joining the ACC do for either of those entities, long term??

Tell me how ND football joining stops the SEC and Big Ten in their tracks, because if it doesn't, then why do it at all?

So Terry do you see the SEC being in play for ND at all? No buy in, no exit fee, more revenue, and games in the hottest recruiting regions are not an attractive lure? I'd truly value your reasoning as it would be informative.

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(08-01-2021 02:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-01-2021 01:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  This is obviously an unpopular opinion here, but I just don't see any good business reasons for ND football to react to this and join the ACC.

If two super conferences are inevitable, then the best bet seems for ND to remain an independent, renew its TV deal in four years and ride things out until it has to join the Big Ten super conference.

Joining the ACC for football means ND jettisons independence but gets less way money for it (and will tie itself up further with the ACC/GOR) in a non-super conference than if it just waits until the Big Ten grabs Southern Cal and Stanford, among others.

Even if ND joined the ACC in full, would the latter still survive in the age of super conferences or would ND just be climbing aboard a sinking ship with a bucket and a mop?

Doesn't the ACC just blow up whenever the GOR expires ?

Don't the best pieces just break off for the two super conferences at that point, no matter what?

Just exactly what would ND football joining the ACC do for either of those entities, long term??

Tell me how ND football joining stops the SEC and Big Ten in their tracks, because if it doesn't, then why do it at all?

So Terry do you see the SEC being in play for ND at all? No buy in, no exit fee, more revenue, and games in the hottest recruiting regions are not an attractive lure? I'd truly value your reasoning as it would be informative.

Why not? My overall point is that if the conferences are going to force ND to do what it doesn't want to do, then ND should pick the best street corner where it can get the best price for it.

Why sell independence cheaply??

If the SEC and the Big Ten at some point were going to 20-24 super conference status and wanted to extend an invitation to ND (independence then being untenable and super conferences inevitable), then ND should join the super conference that offers it the best overall deal.

That may likely be the SEC.

I think that sticking it to the Big Ten one final time would find some appeal with ND.