I’m old and out of touch.
What is a “burner account”?

(04-23-2020 08:13 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:03 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Which I don't care about. Didn't care when I voted Gary Johnson last time. I'd prefer Trump not be president in a perfect world, but I'm never voting Joe Biden after the sh*t they pulled in the primary. There's a better chance I actually just lean in and vote Trump if he just happens to let this crisis shift him to the correct position on health care (which I don't think is impossible actually).

I'm actually glad about the stuff they pulled in the primary because it kept Bernie away from the nomination. I'll never vote for Biden, or any other democrat as long as their "progressive" (euphemism for socialist/communist IMO) wing is in power. I don't think Biden is anywhere remotely close to "moderate" but even if he were, he is obviously not man enough to stand up to the likes of AOC, Tlaib, Omar, and Pressley, not to mention Schumer or Pelosi.

I don't think Biden is "moderate" either. I don't think votes for the Bankruptcy Bill, Patriot Act, Iraq War, DOMA, Crime Bill, and supporting the Hyde Amendment and Balanced Budget Amendment are even very moderate. If you took his voting record as a Senator and put an R in front of it no one would bat an eye.

(04-23-2020 08:11 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:03 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 07:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 07:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 07:08 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Trump is leading the polls in Texas by 10% or thereabouts, I will vote for Amash. If it's closer than that in Texas, I will vote for Trump.

Amash if I can, Trump if I must. I really prefer Amash, although I am somewhat concerned by his extended trip off the reservation in the last year, but my vote is not going to cost Trump Texas.

I'm gonna try to determine which of the 3rd parties have the best chance at 5% and vote for them, same as I did in 2016. If there's even a shred of truth to the Jesse Ventura Green Party rumors that will be where my vote goes, simply to try to help make another party viable. If he doesn't and Amash has the chance at that I'll vote for him.

which will only yield, #DJT2020....

#enjoyChoice

Which I don't care about. Didn't care when I voted Gary Johnson last time. I'd prefer Trump not be president in a perfect world, but I'm never voting Joe Biden after the sh*t they pulled in the primary. There's a better chance I actually just lean in and vote Trump if he just happens to let this crisis shift him to the correct position on health care (which I don't think is impossible actually).

agree....I'm hoping for the same from the most important potential 'lame duck' in U.S. history....

the only way it happens, is if the pubs regain control of the house...and even then, it's unlikely they get it 'right' in rd. 2 with full control....

My version of "right" is more or less what Owl has described. This crisis and the number of people who become unemployed may eventually force Trump to propose something like that. Not to mention it would own the libs harder than anything if he was the one that got their unicorn of "universal healthcare" passed.

SC will vote for Trump. Accordingly, I will vote for Amash. If it is a close enough in SC that it's not a shoe-in, then Trump already lost. I anticipate Trump winning re-election ... no idea how well Amash will do. He's a far better spokesperson than Gary Johnson with deeper more recent experience. But he's probably less well known, all things considered, than Gary Johnson.

(04-23-2020 07:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm gonna try to determine which of the 3rd parties have the best chance at 5% and vote for them, same as I did in 2016.

That will be the LP for sure. Gary Johnson's bid last cycle was the closest we've been to 5% for a third party since Perot. And really go back to a real PARTY and not just a cult of personality leading a third option you've gotta go back to the Whigs.

What is Aleppo?

(04-23-2020 07:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Good to see that he's finally come to the conclusion that he's not a Republican since he never was. Of course that was likely the only way for him to get elected to begin with. So...

Pre-Trump Republicans at least gave lip service to free trade, civil liberties, balanced budgets, reducing the size and scope of government, etc. It's not that Amash couldn't be a Republican ... it's that the Republican Party with Trump not only stopped giving lip service to these positions it became hostile to them. Stalwart Republicans with decades of experience cutting and balancing budgets like Mark Sanford were tossed by the wayside in primaries with just a few Trump tweets. Amash didn't leave the GOP as much as the GOP left Amash. I keep waiting to see if there will be a shift back away from populism post-Trump but so far people love taking their MAGA medicine. Trump could pass yet another gun control law and they'd celebrate when if the same bill were passed by Obama they'd freak out.

(04-23-2020 08:20 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

I’m old and out of touch.
What is a “burner account”?

If you were to register an account here called "BidensHands", and make one and only post alleging he sexually assaulted someone and then never used the account again .... that would be a "burner account".

(04-23-2020 11:26 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 07:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Good to see that he's finally come to the conclusion that he's not a Republican since he never was. Of course that was likely the only way for him to get elected to begin with. So...

Pre-Trump Republicans at least gave lip service to free trade, civil liberties, balanced budgets, reducing the size and scope of government, etc. It's not that Amash couldn't be a Republican ... it's that the Republican Party with Trump not only stopped giving lip service to these positions it became hostile to them. Stalwart Republicans with decades of experience cutting and balancing budgets like Mark Sanford were tossed by the wayside in primaries with just a few Trump tweets. Amash didn't leave the GOP as much as the GOP left Amash. I keep waiting to see if there will be a shift back away from populism post-Trump but so far people love taking their MAGA medicine. Trump could pass yet another gun control law and they'd celebrate when if the same bill were passed by Obama they'd freak out.

I'm sorry, but I have two points of order.

One, republicans stopped giving even lip service to most of those a long time before Trump. Certainly GWB, and a number of republicans before him

Two, Trump can't pass any law. Congress does.

But I get your drift, and I agree. Republicans left Amash (and me) long before Amash left the republicans.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. But I wish my enemies had better enemies.

(04-23-2020 11:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 07:26 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm gonna try to determine which of the 3rd parties have the best chance at 5% and vote for them, same as I did in 2016.

That will be the LP for sure. Gary Johnson's bid last cycle was the closest we've been to 5% for a third party since Perot. And really go back to a real PARTY and not just a cult of personality leading a third option you've gotta go back to the Whigs.

I voted Johnson last time not being a Libertarian because I am extremely anti war and extremely pro-weed, plus he was the best shot at 5%. Maybe Amash has a shot. If there's any truth the the Ventura Green Party stuff I think he'd actually do it. I just want at least a semi viable 3rd option.

(04-23-2020 11:26 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 07:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Good to see that he's finally come to the conclusion that he's not a Republican since he never was. Of course that was likely the only way for him to get elected to begin with. So...

Pre-Trump Republicans at least gave lip service to free trade, civil liberties, balanced budgets, reducing the size and scope of government, etc. It's not that Amash couldn't be a Republican ... it's that the Republican Party with Trump not only stopped giving lip service to these positions it became hostile to them. Stalwart Republicans with decades of experience cutting and balancing budgets like Mark Sanford were tossed by the wayside in primaries with just a few Trump tweets. Amash didn't leave the GOP as much as the GOP left Amash. I keep waiting to see if there will be a shift back away from populism post-Trump but so far people love taking their MAGA medicine. Trump could pass yet another gun control law and they'd celebrate when if the same bill were passed by Obama they'd freak out.

Fair enough.

And yes, the GOP will shift back to whatever position they need to remain in/regain power in the WH.

(04-23-2020 11:29 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:20 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

I’m old and out of touch.
What is a “burner account”?

If you were to register an account here called "BidensHands", and make one and only post alleging he sexually assaulted someone and then never used the account again .... that would be a "burner account".

Danke

(04-23-2020 11:18 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  SC will vote for Trump. Accordingly, I will vote for Amash. If it is a close enough in SC that it's not a shoe-in, then Trump already lost. I anticipate Trump winning re-election ... no idea how well Amash will do. He's a far better spokesperson than Gary Johnson with deeper more recent experience. But he's probably less well known, all things considered, than Gary Johnson.

let's get this on record....

you're essentially stating hill-lair-liar was a shoe-in in '16....

therefore, your third party bs is the equivalent why I turned 300.00 into 14 hundo AND #henceDJT...

#gotcha

#muhLogic

(04-23-2020 11:26 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 07:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Good to see that he's finally come to the conclusion that he's not a Republican since he never was. Of course that was likely the only way for him to get elected to begin with. So...

Pre-Trump Republicans at least gave lip service to free trade, civil liberties, balanced budgets, reducing the size and scope of government, etc. It's not that Amash couldn't be a Republican ... it's that the Republican Party with Trump not only stopped giving lip service to these positions it became hostile to them. Stalwart Republicans with decades of experience cutting and balancing budgets like Mark Sanford were tossed by the wayside in primaries with just a few Trump tweets. Amash didn't leave the GOP as much as the GOP left Amash. I keep waiting to see if there will be a shift back away from populism post-Trump but so far people love taking their MAGA medicine. Trump could pass yet another gun control law and they'd celebrate when if the same bill were passed by Obama they'd freak out.

AnsWar this....how do you balance a budget with a churning economy as the boomer numbers become overwhelming relative to debt....

fk the percentages or any other coin toss into the 'pond'....

you made some great points above and you're not a dumbarse....

the point is, we PRINT THE ECONOMY....IT'S INDEPENDENT DUE TO RESOLVE, RESOURCES, AND GLOBAL SUPERIORITY IN COMMERCE/MILITARY

defund that.....then, you're completely fuxxored....

it's funny how too many laureates never mention that portion of the fk'n equation....

@welcometonumbers

I'm stating that the vote in SC is as irrelevant to the ultimate outcome as the vote in Wyoming or Vermont or Idaho. It's not in play. It hasn't been in play in my entire lifetime. Ergo I am free to vote tactically. And the most impactful vote I can make is for the LP to requalify for automatic ballot access in SC and perhaps meet major party national vote thresholds which will eliminate ballot access cost for the LP (typically more than half of all presidential campaign expenditures). Getting into the debates to shatter the two party stranglehold on debate is gravy. If a tiny Texan with an addiction to presenting everything like it was PowerPoint can throttle two adept and well established candidates it'd be hilarious watching someone with a clue run circles around the current crop of candidates.

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(04-23-2020 11:44 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 11:26 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 07:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Good to see that he's finally come to the conclusion that he's not a Republican since he never was. Of course that was likely the only way for him to get elected to begin with. So...

Pre-Trump Republicans at least gave lip service to free trade, civil liberties, balanced budgets, reducing the size and scope of government, etc. It's not that Amash couldn't be a Republican ... it's that the Republican Party with Trump not only stopped giving lip service to these positions it became hostile to them. Stalwart Republicans with decades of experience cutting and balancing budgets like Mark Sanford were tossed by the wayside in primaries with just a few Trump tweets. Amash didn't leave the GOP as much as the GOP left Amash. I keep waiting to see if there will be a shift back away from populism post-Trump but so far people love taking their MAGA medicine. Trump could pass yet another gun control law and they'd celebrate when if the same bill were passed by Obama they'd freak out.

I'm sorry, but I have two points of order.

One, republicans stopped giving even lip service to most of those a long time before Trump. Certainly GWB, and a number of republicans before him

Two, Trump can't pass any law. Congress does.

But I get your drift, and I agree. Republicans left Amash (and me) long before Amash left the republicans.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. But I wish my enemies had better enemies.

we need more of 'this' moxie relative to 'intelligence'....

(04-23-2020 01:43 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I'm stating that the vote in SC is as irrelevant to the ultimate outcome as the vote in Wyoming or Vermont or Idaho. It's not in play. It hasn't been in play in my entire lifetime. Ergo I am free to vote tactically. And the most impactful vote I can make is for the LP to requalify for automatic ballot access in SC and perhaps meet major party national vote thresholds which will eliminate ballot access cost for the LP (typically more than half of all presidential campaign expenditures). Getting into the debates to shatter the two party stranglehold on debate is gravy. If a tiny Texan with an addiction to presenting everything like it was PowerPoint can throttle two adept and well established candidates it'd be hilarious watching someone with a clue run circles around the current crop of candidates.

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naw man...you're free to vote....

while I understand the gist, you get this in return...#enjoyUselessPain

(04-23-2020 01:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  AnsWar this....how do you balance a budget with a churning economy as the boomer numbers become overwhelming relative to debt....

fk the percentages or any other coin toss into the 'pond'....

you made some great points above and you're not a dumbarse....

the point is, we PRINT THE ECONOMY....IT'S INDEPENDENT DUE TO RESOLVE, RESOURCES, AND GLOBAL SUPERIORITY IN COMMERCE/MILITARY

defund that.....then, you're completely fuxxored....

it's funny how too many laureates never mention that portion of the fk'n equation....

@welcometonumbers

To balance the budget you must first acknowledge that administration after administration -- from LBJ to current -- have promised WAY more than we can afford to pay in entitlements. That's a bipartisan criticism since GHWB passed Medicare Part D which was TOTALLY UNFUNDED DELIBERATELY at passage. "Hey, we'll figure that whole pay for it thing out later!" *roll eyes*

Simply increasing the retirement age 1-3 months a year for a decade will greatly relieve the problem. After that no longer paying for the military defense of others not willing to pay us for it or otherwise help field a competent military to help do the job is another great place to cut. You don't need some long winded diatribe to balance the budget ... simple math says it absolutely positively MUST come out of two places: welfare spending (SS, Medicare, Medicaid) and foreign military aid to lazy people and ********. Actually my bad that's redundant: that's all just various different ways and forms of saying the same thing: welfare.

Saying we can just get away with printing it may be accurate in the short term but it will not be accurate in the long term. People who say that we can just print it all up and it won't matter sound a lot like advisors to the British crown about 100-150 years ago. "Our empire spans the globe. We have the most powerful military. We have the most resources. We have the best education system. We can fight two wars and not even have to tax that much to pay for it." And in just two human lifetimes now that empire is falling apart on the home island itself and Scotland has the first independent Parliament in 100's of years. There will be consequences even if you're not around when those chickens come home to roost.

(04-23-2020 01:53 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 01:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  AnsWar this....how do you balance a budget with a churning economy as the boomer numbers become overwhelming relative to debt....

fk the percentages or any other coin toss into the 'pond'....

you made some great points above and you're not a dumbarse....

the point is, we PRINT THE ECONOMY....IT'S INDEPENDENT DUE TO RESOLVE, RESOURCES, AND GLOBAL SUPERIORITY IN COMMERCE/MILITARY

defund that.....then, you're completely fuxxored....

it's funny how too many laureates never mention that portion of the fk'n equation....

@welcometonumbers

To balance the budget you must first acknowledge that administration after administration -- from LBJ to current -- have promised WAY more than we can afford to pay in entitlements. That's a bipartisan criticism since GHWB passed Medicare Part D which was TOTALLY UNFUNDED DELIBERATELY at passage. "Hey, we'll figure that whole pay for it thing out later!" *roll eyes*

Simply increasing the retirement age 1-3 months a year for a decade will greatly relieve the problem. After that no longer paying for the military defense of others not willing to pay us for it or otherwise help field a competent military to help do the job is another great place to cut. You don't need some long winded diatribe to balance the budget ... simple math says it absolutely positively MUST come out of two places: welfare spending (SS, Medicare, Medicaid) and foreign military aid to lazy people and ********. Actually my bad that's redundant: that's all just various different ways and forms of saying the same thing: welfare.

Saying we can just get away with printing it may be accurate in the short term but it will not be accurate in the long term. People who say that we can just print it all up and it won't matter sound a lot like advisors to the British crown about 100-150 years ago. "Our empire spans the globe. We have the most powerful military. We have the most resources. We have the best education system. We can fight two wars and not even have to tax that much to pay for it." And in just two human lifetimes now that empire is falling apart on the home island itself and Scotland has the first independent Parliament in 100's of years. There will be consequences even if you're not around when those chickens come home to roost.

#attaboy....I don't agree with all the above (however, most is solid), but I will give att'n later.....I owe Owl #s a response too....

it's going to take more time than I currently have....

finally....

back to the field...

I voted 3rd party in 2016. I really don't see myself doing that again unfortunately.