(09-06-2019 12:12 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 07:07 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 05:54 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I would have thought Memphis = Cincinnati. Aside from enrollment size, but then again, your city is twice the size as ours as well. It seems we are both urban research Universities with athletic history going back to the Metro conference days and I don't know how much further back than that. We both are river towns. True, we are a more southern vibe in line with Houston, but Texas is to "western swing" as Tennessee is to "Country". Kinda not the same thing. Plus, Memphis is a more urban vibe, not really fitting the profile of the traditional Tennessee town.

No offense, but the academic research and the school endowment aren’t even close. Cincinnati has a huge medical center, a Top 50 Law School, One if the best Design and Music Programs in the world along with Aerospace Engineering. UC has a $1.4M endowment.

The shared history during the Metro days is noteworthy, but not enough to say we are similar university profiles.

Your Law school is ranked 83rd, ours is ranked 138th. Your Architecture Program is ranked 70th, ours (only about 10 years old) is ranked 115th. Yes, your rankings are better than ours, but let's not get too carried away. Let's not forget, you guys spent much more time in the Big East, and I don't care what anybody says, that BCS designation affects (affected) how people voted for your colleges within your University. No, we don't have a med school, because UT already has a med school located in Memphis. I don't think we can get one started because of that. The state legislature would never allow it.

BTW, Google "Law School Facilities rankings" and click on the first result.

We are playing catch-up in the endowment department since joining the BigEast/American. I wonder how our Endowments compared in 2000.

Memphis is in the middle of a 3 year study for a med school at the Jackson/Lambuth campus

I don't think we're much like any of our AAC brethren.

ECU has just shy of 30,000 students. Great medical & nursing schools. A relatively new Dental Medicine school. I'm not sure if it is still a huge major at ECU, but during my time there (2002-2007 & 2010-2012) the Construction Management degree was very popular.

Rural by most standards, but Greenville itself is around 100,000 people... so, not tiny, but a great college town.

1st class on-campus stadium, great fan support for football & baseball...

We fit more along the lines of SEC schools (minus the $$$) than most AAC schools.

(09-06-2019 12:12 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 07:07 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-05-2019 05:54 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  I would have thought Memphis = Cincinnati. Aside from enrollment size, but then again, your city is twice the size as ours as well. It seems we are both urban research Universities with athletic history going back to the Metro conference days and I don't know how much further back than that. We both are river towns. True, we are a more southern vibe in line with Houston, but Texas is to "western swing" as Tennessee is to "Country". Kinda not the same thing. Plus, Memphis is a more urban vibe, not really fitting the profile of the traditional Tennessee town.

No offense, but the academic research and the school endowment aren’t even close. Cincinnati has a huge medical center, a Top 50 Law School, One if the best Design and Music Programs in the world along with Aerospace Engineering. UC has a $1.4M endowment.

The shared history during the Metro days is noteworthy, but not enough to say we are similar university profiles.

Your Law school is ranked 83rd, ours is ranked 138th. Your Architecture Program is ranked 70th, ours (only about 10 years old) is ranked 115th. Yes, your rankings are better than ours, but let's not get too carried away. Let's not forget, you guys spent much more time in the Big East, and I don't care what anybody says, that BCS designation affects (affected) how people voted for your colleges within your University. No, we don't have a med school, because UT already has a med school located in Memphis. I don't think we can get one started because of that. The state legislature would never allow it.

BTW, Google "Law School Facilities rankings" and click on the first result.

We are playing catch-up in the endowment department since joining the BigEast/American. I wonder how our Endowments compared in 2000.

IIRC UC's was around $1B at that time. We actually lost quite a bit of our endowment at some point around that time but have slowly built it back up to what it was in the early to mid 2000s. UC is a lot older than Memphis, and we've always had a medical center. In fact, the genesis of UC in 1819 was being the Medical College of Ohio and what called Cincinnati College. Our medical school is the oldest west of the Alleghenies.

I have no quarrel with Memphis. I've been to the city and the university many times. I lived in Blytheville, Arkansas for 7 years when I was kid (military brat). Much later, my sister lived in Memphis for a stretch after college. A business partner of mine, a fine trial lawyer, is a graduate of Memphis Law. Knowing what I know, I think the similarities are not quite there for a variety of reasons.

(09-06-2019 12:24 AM)colohank Wrote:  I don't agree that Temple and Cincinnati share a vibe. Temple is decidedlyurban, situated in a densely developed area with a campus surrounded by endless blocks of ancient row houses, and it lacks an on-campus stadium. It has a kind of office building look about it. UC is suburban, with way more green space on and adjacent to campus, and culturally, Cincy is more southern than eastern. I'd say Cincy and Houston probably have more in common, though they're more distant geographically. UC also has a longer history of athletic competition with Houston.

I think you have a point about some similarities with UH, but saying we are suburban is a bit of a stretch. I know I am taking this out of the AAC, but our campus location is comparable to Pitt's Oakland neighborhood. Both neighborhoods are located within the City limits and are home to not only the campus, but several different medical centers, innovation centers, museums, shopping and recreation locales, plus adjacent to zoos.

By no means is Clifton suburban. Heck, there are a lot of kids from Mason and West Chester who are scared to come down here because we are too urban for their liking.

(09-06-2019 08:08 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 12:24 AM)colohank Wrote:  I don't agree that Temple and Cincinnati share a vibe. Temple is decidedlyurban, situated in a densely developed area with a campus surrounded by endless blocks of ancient row houses, and it lacks an on-campus stadium. It has a kind of office building look about it. UC is suburban, with way more green space on and adjacent to campus, and culturally, Cincy is more southern than eastern. I'd say Cincy and Houston probably have more in common, though they're more distant geographically. UC also has a longer history of athletic competition with Houston.

I think you have a point about some similarities with UH, but saying we are suburban is a bit of a stretch. I know I am taking this out of the AAC, but our campus location is comparable to Pitt's Oakland neighborhood. Both neighborhoods are located within the City limits and are home to not only the campus, but several different medical centers, innovation centers, museums, shopping and recreation locales, plus adjacent to zoos.

By no means is Clifton suburban. Heck, there are a lot of kids from Mason and West Chester who are scared to come down here because we are too urban for their liking.

The UC area (my brother lived there for two years while attending the university) is, indeed, somewhat similar to the Oakland/UPitt area in Pittsburgh. It is fairly urban overall in that there is a mixture of building types (residential, retail, church, school, medical, office) and a solid density of buildings/people.

And though Cincinnati is, indeed, "more southern than northeastern," it is also more "midwestern/northern" than southern.

Again, and this is just my opinion, Cincy is much more like Temple in terms of city/university than it is any other AAC school. UofM/Memphis would be a very distant second.

(09-06-2019 07:54 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I don't think we're much like any of our AAC brethren.

ECU has just shy of 30,000 students. Great medical & nursing schools. A relatively new Dental Medicine school. I'm not sure if it is still a huge major at ECU, but during my time there (2002-2007 & 2010-2012) the Construction Management degree was very popular.

Rural by most standards, but Greenville itself is around 100,000 people... so, not tiny, but a great college town.

1st class on-campus stadium, great fan support for football & baseball...

We fit more along the lines of SEC schools (minus the $$$) than most AAC schools.

I like the Asheville photo. Nice shot and a very cool city.

(09-06-2019 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:54 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I don't think we're much like any of our AAC brethren.

ECU has just shy of 30,000 students. Great medical & nursing schools. A relatively new Dental Medicine school. I'm not sure if it is still a huge major at ECU, but during my time there (2002-2007 & 2010-2012) the Construction Management degree was very popular.

Rural by most standards, but Greenville itself is around 100,000 people... so, not tiny, but a great college town.

1st class on-campus stadium, great fan support for football & baseball...

We fit more along the lines of SEC schools (minus the $$$) than most AAC schools.

I like the Asheville photo. Nice shot and a very cool city.

Thanks! We've lived here for a year now. I work remotely so we got to pick wherever we wanted to live... and we chose Asheville. Politics aside, it's a great place to live. Great beer, great food, great scenery.

(09-06-2019 08:35 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:54 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I don't think we're much like any of our AAC brethren.

ECU has just shy of 30,000 students. Great medical & nursing schools. A relatively new Dental Medicine school. I'm not sure if it is still a huge major at ECU, but during my time there (2002-2007 & 2010-2012) the Construction Management degree was very popular.

Rural by most standards, but Greenville itself is around 100,000 people... so, not tiny, but a great college town.

1st class on-campus stadium, great fan support for football & baseball...

We fit more along the lines of SEC schools (minus the $$$) than most AAC schools.

I like the Asheville photo. Nice shot and a very cool city.

Thanks! We've lived here for a year now. I work remotely so we got to pick wherever we wanted to live... and we chose Asheville. Politics aside, it's a great place to live. Great beer, great food, great scenery.

The mountains are cool, but for the Pirate in me I have to be close to the beach. Lived in Greenville since 83 and have a place at Emerald Isle since 2008.

ECU also produces more teachers and nurses than any other NC University. Business and MBA programs are first class. Art, Dance, and Theater are highly ranked as well.

While Greenville is only 100K population (which I actually like BTW) county has 180K population. 80K living alumni in the Raleigh DMA. While we don't get credit for it, our viewing ratings in that DMA often out performs NC State. DMA's are very political. The Raleigh DMA begins at our county line which is a joke.

Being a college town with a 50,000 seat on campus stadium the Pirates are fortunate to own the best game day experience in conference. People here actually care and support the program even when the team goes 3 and 9 for three consecutive seasons!!!

Motto for the university is "To Serve". It does an excellent job in that area for our region in the state. Med School and School of Denistry do an excellent job of bringing healthcare to undeserved areas. Our hospital which is a regional trama center services 31 counties which is the second largest in the US.

We are unique from most in the conference and kinda like it that way. Go Pirates!!!!

Endowments over 1 Billion: SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, Cincinnati.
Endowments under 300 Million: ECU, WSU, Memphis.
Ranking US Universities 1-100: Tulane#38, SMU#56, Tulsa#89.
Most alike: SMU-Tulane, Least alike: SMU-ECU

(09-06-2019 08:35 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 07:54 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  I don't think we're much like any of our AAC brethren.

ECU has just shy of 30,000 students. Great medical & nursing schools. A relatively new Dental Medicine school. I'm not sure if it is still a huge major at ECU, but during my time there (2002-2007 & 2010-2012) the Construction Management degree was very popular.

Rural by most standards, but Greenville itself is around 100,000 people... so, not tiny, but a great college town.

1st class on-campus stadium, great fan support for football & baseball...

We fit more along the lines of SEC schools (minus the $$$) than most AAC schools.

I like the Asheville photo. Nice shot and a very cool city.

Thanks! We've lived here for a year now. I work remotely so we got to pick wherever we wanted to live... and we chose Asheville. Politics aside, it's a great place to live. Great beer, great food, great scenery.

I have visited the city three times during the past four years. My friend and I have stayed each time in the luxurious Downtown Inn on Patton Street. The craft beer and food scene is stellar. And I love all the art deco buildings. West Asheville is very bohemian and quirky. And the mountain setting ... outstanding. You live in a wonderful city. Enjoy!

Temple is our twin

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(09-06-2019 08:08 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 12:24 AM)colohank Wrote:  I don't agree that Temple and Cincinnati share a vibe. Temple is decidedlyurban, situated in a densely developed area with a campus surrounded by endless blocks of ancient row houses, and it lacks an on-campus stadium. It has a kind of office building look about it. UC is suburban, with way more green space on and adjacent to campus, and culturally, Cincy is more southern than eastern. I'd say Cincy and Houston probably have more in common, though they're more distant geographically. UC also has a longer history of athletic competition with Houston.

I think you have a point about some similarities with UH, but saying we are suburban is a bit of a stretch. I know I am taking this out of the AAC, but our campus location is comparable to Pitt's Oakland neighborhood. Both neighborhoods are located within the City limits and are home to not only the campus, but several different medical centers, innovation centers, museums, shopping and recreation locales, plus adjacent to zoos.

By no means is Clifton suburban. Heck, there are a lot of kids from Mason and West Chester who are scared to come down here because we are too urban for their liking.

Not only that, but Temple is what UC could have been...and I don't necessarily mean that in a good way. Remember the campus that once was: utilitarian, almost brutalist architectural style, and more concrete than grass. Nippert was condemned, and football was being played down at Riverfront. There was a serious discussion about what to do with the sports and the limited space on-campus...both FB and BB could have easily been moved downtown at the time. We came perilously close to going down those paths...but President Steger (among others) led the effort to recommit and rejuvenate the Campus. Shoemaker Center, renovating Nippert (the first time), and then the "Strategic Campus" vision and plan were HUGE moments for life at UC.

We don't have a "vibe" with Temple at the moment, mostly because of a lack of history and conference instability. UC was in the process of developing a "vibe" with WVU...they left. Then we were in the process of developing something with UConn...and they are leaving. I think if we have the opportunity to be with Temple for more than seven years, something might develop.

(09-06-2019 11:17 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 08:08 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 12:24 AM)colohank Wrote:  I don't agree that Temple and Cincinnati share a vibe. Temple is decidedlyurban, situated in a densely developed area with a campus surrounded by endless blocks of ancient row houses, and it lacks an on-campus stadium. It has a kind of office building look about it. UC is suburban, with way more green space on and adjacent to campus, and culturally, Cincy is more southern than eastern. I'd say Cincy and Houston probably have more in common, though they're more distant geographically. UC also has a longer history of athletic competition with Houston.

I think you have a point about some similarities with UH, but saying we are suburban is a bit of a stretch. I know I am taking this out of the AAC, but our campus location is comparable to Pitt's Oakland neighborhood. Both neighborhoods are located within the City limits and are home to not only the campus, but several different medical centers, innovation centers, museums, shopping and recreation locales, plus adjacent to zoos.

By no means is Clifton suburban. Heck, there are a lot of kids from Mason and West Chester who are scared to come down here because we are too urban for their liking.

Not only that, but Temple is what UC could have been...and I don't necessarily mean that in a good way. Remember the campus that once was: utilitarian, almost brutalist architectural style, and more concrete than grass. Nippert was condemned, and football was being played down at Riverfront. There was a serious discussion about what to do with the sports and the limited space on-campus...both FB and BB could have easily been moved downtown at the time. We came perilously close to going down those paths...but President Steger (among others) led the effort to recommit and rejuvenate the Campus. Shoemaker Center, renovating Nippert (the first time), and then the "Strategic Campus" vision and plan were HUGE moments for life at UC.

We don't have a "vibe" with Temple at the moment, mostly because of a lack of history and conference instability. UC was in the process of developing a "vibe" with WVU...they left. Then we were in the process of developing something with UConn...and they are leaving. I think if we have the opportunity to be with Temple for more than seven years, something might develop.

I hear you about Temple, Jerry. I respect the heck out of Temple. However, I don't know what it is, but there is some sort of disconnect with our fan base and caring about Temple. Temple's kicked our teeth in several years in a row in football. You'd think people would be frothing at the mouth over the Owls. IDK if its because their basketball has underachieved under Dunphy or because of the excommunication with the Big East back in the day. Maybe its because we hate the city of Pittsburgh more than Philadelphia. IDK its kind of a strange phenomena. Not sure what it is going to take for a rivalry to fester.

(09-06-2019 11:17 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 08:08 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-06-2019 12:24 AM)colohank Wrote:  I don't agree that Temple and Cincinnati share a vibe. Temple is decidedlyurban, situated in a densely developed area with a campus surrounded by endless blocks of ancient row houses, and it lacks an on-campus stadium. It has a kind of office building look about it. UC is suburban, with way more green space on and adjacent to campus, and culturally, Cincy is more southern than eastern. I'd say Cincy and Houston probably have more in common, though they're more distant geographically. UC also has a longer history of athletic competition with Houston.

I think you have a point about some similarities with UH, but saying we are suburban is a bit of a stretch. I know I am taking this out of the AAC, but our campus location is comparable to Pitt's Oakland neighborhood. Both neighborhoods are located within the City limits and are home to not only the campus, but several different medical centers, innovation centers, museums, shopping and recreation locales, plus adjacent to zoos.

By no means is Clifton suburban. Heck, there are a lot of kids from Mason and West Chester who are scared to come down here because we are too urban for their liking.

Not only that, but Temple is what UC could have been...and I don't necessarily mean that in a good way. Remember the campus that once was: utilitarian, almost brutalist architectural style, and more concrete than grass. Nippert was condemned, and football was being played down at Riverfront. There was a serious discussion about what to do with the sports and the limited space on-campus...both FB and BB could have easily been moved downtown at the time. We came perilously close to going down those paths...but President Steger (among others) led the effort to recommit and rejuvenate the Campus. Shoemaker Center, renovating Nippert (the first time), and then the "Strategic Campus" vision and plan were HUGE moments for life at UC.

We don't have a "vibe" with Temple at the moment, mostly because of a lack of history and conference instability. UC was in the process of developing a "vibe" with WVU...they left. Then we were in the process of developing something with UConn...and they are leaving. I think if we have the opportunity to be with Temple for more than seven years, something might develop.

Temple's campus is decidedly urban, but we just opened up an absolutely beautiful state-of-the-art library in the middle of campus and have been modernizing and developing campus for a bit. They're going to be building a large quad on campus by knocking down some buildings, and the new library has the largest green roof in Pennsylvania. Also, being right in a residential neighborhood gives the campus a very unique flavor that most of the students enjoy - it's not squeaky clean, but it's definitely authentic and "gritty."

I'm hoping Cincinnati and Temple can get something going because I think a potential rivalry would be really good. We're both in the same boat regarding in-city rivals (although Villanova casts a larger shadow than Xavier) and now that UConn is gone it's just us in this area of the country. (Sorry Navy)
Hopefully basketball will be on the upswing and both football teams stay relevant.