(08-01-2019 09:10 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I’m old enough to remember after 2017 critics saying if we went undefeated again in 2018 that we could get into the playoffs.

Danny White brought up that same comment in yesterday's interview...as many in the media mentioned after 2017 "If UCF can run the table again in 2018, I will push and or vote for them in CFP".

One of those in media who said the above: Paul Finebaum.

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(07-29-2019 07:32 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  Was curious what ucf fans thought about this so I checked their board... It looks that most are worried they haven't had any good scheduling news and this home and home is definitely not moving the needle.

Not "most." Just the bed-wetters.

more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Yea...it was silly to try to use the 2015 season as justification. But the premise of the post is sound.

UCF fans have shown that they like (for now) UCF's scheduling philosophy. Even in CUSA we averaged 34K or better most of the time.

Not only is DW giving the fans what they want, but he is massively increasing the revenue from ticket sales (including the required donation to sit in most sections of the stadium).

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(07-29-2019 07:32 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  Was curious what ucf fans thought about this so I checked their board... It looks that most are worried they haven't had any good scheduling news and this home and home is definitely not moving the needle.

Not "most." Just the bed-wetters.

more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Announced for both teams in 2015: 26,578 for USF 30,065 for UCF.

I was at the USF game and there was a surprisingly large number of fans there for a team that was 0-11 and had given up. I know it is hard for you to imagine 25,000+ loyal fans who show up to games in even the most horrific seasons, but UCF was built differently than USF. USF was spoiled early on by the Big East, while UCF grew more slowly and more organically. Thus UCF has a more constant season ticket holder base. Danny White understands this and understand UCF fans don't have to have Bama there to be interested in the game. USF fans whine constantly about the AAC and how much better it was when they were in the Big East, while UCF fans are excited to play the AAC games and win championships.

So don't pin UCF with the USF hangups. If UCF stops being undefeated, will attendance dip? Yes. But not enough to change much financially. Playing UF and Bama in away games would not help that. The scheduling has been done to maximize home field participation.

(08-01-2019 12:14 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

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(07-30-2019 11:24 AM)knightastic Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 08:41 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  Not "most." Just the bed-wetters.

more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Yea...it was silly to try to use the 2015 season as justification. But the premise of the post is sound.

UCF fans have shown that they like (for now) UCF's scheduling philosophy. Even in CUSA we averaged 34K or better most of the time.

Not only is DW giving the fans what they want, but he is massively increasing the revenue from ticket sales (including the required donation to sit in most sections of the stadium).

Actually it was perfect to use the 2015 season. It does not get worse than 0-12. Through it all UCF's attendance was still better than USF who went 8-4. It shows the strength of our on campus stadium and season ticket holder base. DW plays to that strength and rather than chase the shiny ball that the pundits would have him chase, he schedules to maximize the revenues from the stadium.

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(08-01-2019 11:27 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

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(07-30-2019 11:24 AM)knightastic Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 08:41 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  Not "most." Just the bed-wetters.

more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Announced for both teams in 2015: 26,578 for USF 30,065 for UCF.

I was at the USF game and there was a surprisingly large number of fans there for a team that was 0-11 and had given up. I know it is hard for you to imagine 25,000+ loyal fans who show up to games in even the most horrific seasons, but UCF was built differently than USF. USF was spoiled early on by the Big East, while UCF grew more slowly and more organically. Thus UCF has a more constant season ticket holder base. Danny White understands this and understand UCF fans don't have to have Bama there to be interested in the game. USF fans whine constantly about the AAC and how much better it was when they were in the Big East, while UCF fans are excited to play the AAC games and win championships.

So don't pin UCF with the USF hangups. If UCF stops being undefeated, will attendance dip? Yes. But not enough to change much financially. Playing UF and Bama in away games would not help that. The scheduling has been done to maximize home field participation.

There were not 25,000 at the USF game. Let's just establish that fact right now.

Like all schools, UCF's announced attendance for that game included ALL tickets distributed. Clearly, a lot of season ticket holders decided not to show up.

(08-01-2019 12:21 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

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(07-30-2019 11:24 AM)knightastic Wrote:  more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Announced for both teams in 2015: 26,578 for USF 30,065 for UCF.

I was at the USF game and there was a surprisingly large number of fans there for a team that was 0-11 and had given up. I know it is hard for you to imagine 25,000+ loyal fans who show up to games in even the most horrific seasons, but UCF was built differently than USF. USF was spoiled early on by the Big East, while UCF grew more slowly and more organically. Thus UCF has a more constant season ticket holder base. Danny White understands this and understand UCF fans don't have to have Bama there to be interested in the game. USF fans whine constantly about the AAC and how much better it was when they were in the Big East, while UCF fans are excited to play the AAC games and win championships.

So don't pin UCF with the USF hangups. If UCF stops being undefeated, will attendance dip? Yes. But not enough to change much financially. Playing UF and Bama in away games would not help that. The scheduling has been done to maximize home field participation.

There were not 25,000 at the USF game. Let's just establish that fact right now.

Like all schools, UCF's announced attendance for that game included ALL tickets distributed. Clearly, a lot of season ticket holders decided not to show up.

The announced attendance was 25,967. Do I think there was that many there? No. More like 19,000-20,000 at kickoff. As the game progressed and it was obvious that this was going to be 0-12 it emptied out. But it does not change the fact that UCF had better attendance in an 0-12 season than USF had with an 8-4. I know that USF had struggled though some tough times and were just coming out of it. But all of this goes back to why DW does not schedule for name only. He has a loyal home game fan base and he knows if he fields even a relatively successful program, he is going continue to raise revenues.

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(08-01-2019 11:27 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:20 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Announced for both teams in 2015: 26,578 for USF 30,065 for UCF.

I was at the USF game and there was a surprisingly large number of fans there for a team that was 0-11 and had given up. I know it is hard for you to imagine 25,000+ loyal fans who show up to games in even the most horrific seasons, but UCF was built differently than USF. USF was spoiled early on by the Big East, while UCF grew more slowly and more organically. Thus UCF has a more constant season ticket holder base. Danny White understands this and understand UCF fans don't have to have Bama there to be interested in the game. USF fans whine constantly about the AAC and how much better it was when they were in the Big East, while UCF fans are excited to play the AAC games and win championships.

So don't pin UCF with the USF hangups. If UCF stops being undefeated, will attendance dip? Yes. But not enough to change much financially. Playing UF and Bama in away games would not help that. The scheduling has been done to maximize home field participation.

There were not 25,000 at the USF game. Let's just establish that fact right now.

Like all schools, UCF's announced attendance for that game included ALL tickets distributed. Clearly, a lot of season ticket holders decided not to show up.

The announced attendance was 25,967. Do I think there was that many there? No. More like 19,000-20,000 at kickoff. As the game progressed and it was obvious that this was going to be 0-12 it emptied out. But it does not change the fact that UCF had better attendance in an 0-12 season than USF had with an 8-4. I know that USF had struggled though some tough times and were just coming out of it. But all of this goes back to why DW does not schedule for name only. He has a loyal home game fan base and he knows if he fields even a relatively successful program, he is going continue to raise revenues.

I agree totally with your premise in bold. I also agree that UCF's actual average attendance in 2015 was higher than USF's actual average attendance.

Maybe I am too old for the current generation. I just think it is important to be factually accurate.

If you are saying that you think 20,000 were there (which is lower than your initial post), that means that nine out of every 20 seats had to be occupied. I just don't see how anyone can think that looking at photos and videos I remember seeing from the game.

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(08-01-2019 11:27 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Announced for both teams in 2015: 26,578 for USF 30,065 for UCF.

I was at the USF game and there was a surprisingly large number of fans there for a team that was 0-11 and had given up. I know it is hard for you to imagine 25,000+ loyal fans who show up to games in even the most horrific seasons, but UCF was built differently than USF. USF was spoiled early on by the Big East, while UCF grew more slowly and more organically. Thus UCF has a more constant season ticket holder base. Danny White understands this and understand UCF fans don't have to have Bama there to be interested in the game. USF fans whine constantly about the AAC and how much better it was when they were in the Big East, while UCF fans are excited to play the AAC games and win championships.

So don't pin UCF with the USF hangups. If UCF stops being undefeated, will attendance dip? Yes. But not enough to change much financially. Playing UF and Bama in away games would not help that. The scheduling has been done to maximize home field participation.

There were not 25,000 at the USF game. Let's just establish that fact right now.

Like all schools, UCF's announced attendance for that game included ALL tickets distributed. Clearly, a lot of season ticket holders decided not to show up.

The announced attendance was 25,967. Do I think there was that many there? No. More like 19,000-20,000 at kickoff. As the game progressed and it was obvious that this was going to be 0-12 it emptied out. But it does not change the fact that UCF had better attendance in an 0-12 season than USF had with an 8-4. I know that USF had struggled though some tough times and were just coming out of it. But all of this goes back to why DW does not schedule for name only. He has a loyal home game fan base and he knows if he fields even a relatively successful program, he is going continue to raise revenues.

I agree totally with your premise in bold. I also agree that UCF's actual average attendance in 2015 was higher than USF's actual average attendance.

Maybe I am too old for the current generation. I just think it is important to be factually accurate.

If you are saying that you think 20,000 were there (which is lower than your initial post), that means that nine out of every 20 seats had to be occupied. I just don't see how anyone can think that looking at photos and videos I remember seeing from the game.

So I used the "announced" numbers of both to being with, but as for the specific game, think on it this way. We can only estimate, but I was there. I remember remarking to my brother that when kick off started the season ticket base was mostly there, plus some students and random pockets of fans. that amounts to most of the West stands. What side do the TV cameras see? The East stands. It is why it is so easy to find photos that show empty stands. I think many fans, like me went to the game in hopes of some sort of Thanksgiving miracle, but by half time many of them had fled.

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(07-30-2019 11:24 AM)knightastic Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 08:41 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  Not "most." Just the bed-wetters.

more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Announced for both teams in 2015: 26,578 for USF 30,065 for UCF.

I was at the USF game and there was a surprisingly large number of fans there for a team that was 0-11 and had given up. I know it is hard for you to imagine 25,000+ loyal fans who show up to games in even the most horrific seasons, but UCF was built differently than USF. USF was spoiled early on by the Big East, while UCF grew more slowly and more organically. Thus UCF has a more constant season ticket holder base. Danny White understands this and understand UCF fans don't have to have Bama there to be interested in the game. USF fans whine constantly about the AAC and how much better it was when they were in the Big East, while UCF fans are excited to play the AAC games and win championships.

So don't pin UCF with the USF hangups. If UCF stops being undefeated, will attendance dip? Yes. But not enough to change much financially. Playing UF and Bama in away games would not help that. The scheduling has been done to maximize home field participation.

If you got 25k at that game, props to you, but photos don't lend credence to that.

As far as hang ups, I have none about USF. This is a typical attempt to pin USF fans as "ungrateful, don't want to be here, etc.". In other words, you want our fan base to act like UConn's. That's nonsense. I cheer for USF because they are MY alma mater, they are MY school. And every one of the season ticket holders and students that attend our games today feel the same way.

You're so big on beating up on USF and how we have no fan base. Yet in 2013, our WORST year, we had average attendance of 34,700. Or, since you like to play the "actual attendance" game that UCF likes to play, actual butts in seats were 20,379. That's in our WORST year. Really, USF is doing fine on attendance.

(08-01-2019 12:59 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

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(07-30-2019 11:24 AM)knightastic Wrote:  more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Announced for both teams in 2015: 26,578 for USF 30,065 for UCF.

I was at the USF game and there was a surprisingly large number of fans there for a team that was 0-11 and had given up. I know it is hard for you to imagine 25,000+ loyal fans who show up to games in even the most horrific seasons, but UCF was built differently than USF. USF was spoiled early on by the Big East, while UCF grew more slowly and more organically. Thus UCF has a more constant season ticket holder base. Danny White understands this and understand UCF fans don't have to have Bama there to be interested in the game. USF fans whine constantly about the AAC and how much better it was when they were in the Big East, while UCF fans are excited to play the AAC games and win championships.

So don't pin UCF with the USF hangups. If UCF stops being undefeated, will attendance dip? Yes. But not enough to change much financially. Playing UF and Bama in away games would not help that. The scheduling has been done to maximize home field participation.

If you got 25k at that game, props to you, but photos don't lend credence to that.

As far as hang ups, I have none about USF. This is a typical attempt to pin USF fans as "ungrateful, don't want to be here, etc.". In other words, you want our fan base to act like UConn's. That's nonsense. I cheer for USF because they are MY alma mater, they are MY school. And every one of the season ticket holders and students that attend our games today feel the same way.

You're so big on beating up on USF and how we have no fan base. Yet in 2013, our WORST year, we had average attendance of 34,700. Or, since you like to play the "actual attendance" game that UCF likes to play, actual butts in seats were 20,379. That's in our WORST year. Really, USF is doing fine on attendance.

Did this conversation not start because you (or some other USF fan) said that DW's scheduling practice depended upon undefeated seasons. My argument was that UCF does not depend upon high level opponents ot perfect seasons for attendance and what DW is doing is playing to our strength. By example our worst season saw 30,000 fans. Yes I took a shot at USF, could not help myself. But I quickly took it back to the scheduling concept.

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(08-01-2019 11:27 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:20 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Announced for both teams in 2015: 26,578 for USF 30,065 for UCF.

I was at the USF game and there was a surprisingly large number of fans there for a team that was 0-11 and had given up. I know it is hard for you to imagine 25,000+ loyal fans who show up to games in even the most horrific seasons, but UCF was built differently than USF. USF was spoiled early on by the Big East, while UCF grew more slowly and more organically. Thus UCF has a more constant season ticket holder base. Danny White understands this and understand UCF fans don't have to have Bama there to be interested in the game. USF fans whine constantly about the AAC and how much better it was when they were in the Big East, while UCF fans are excited to play the AAC games and win championships.

So don't pin UCF with the USF hangups. If UCF stops being undefeated, will attendance dip? Yes. But not enough to change much financially. Playing UF and Bama in away games would not help that. The scheduling has been done to maximize home field participation.

If you got 25k at that game, props to you, but photos don't lend credence to that.

As far as hang ups, I have none about USF. This is a typical attempt to pin USF fans as "ungrateful, don't want to be here, etc.". In other words, you want our fan base to act like UConn's. That's nonsense. I cheer for USF because they are MY alma mater, they are MY school. And every one of the season ticket holders and students that attend our games today feel the same way.

You're so big on beating up on USF and how we have no fan base. Yet in 2013, our WORST year, we had average attendance of 34,700. Or, since you like to play the "actual attendance" game that UCF likes to play, actual butts in seats were 20,379. That's in our WORST year. Really, USF is doing fine on attendance.

Did this conversation not start because you (or some other USF fan) said that DW's scheduling practice depended upon undefeated seasons. My argument was that UCF does not depend upon high level opponents ot perfect seasons for attendance and what DW is doing is playing to our strength. By example our worst season saw 30,000 fans. Yes I took a shot at USF, could not help myself. But I quickly took it back to the scheduling concept.

I'm more impressed with the 2016 numbers for UCF. Coming off a winless season and announced average was 35,803 with the only real spike coming from having Maryland at home.

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(08-01-2019 11:27 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:20 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Announced for both teams in 2015: 26,578 for USF 30,065 for UCF.

I was at the USF game and there was a surprisingly large number of fans there for a team that was 0-11 and had given up. I know it is hard for you to imagine 25,000+ loyal fans who show up to games in even the most horrific seasons, but UCF was built differently than USF. USF was spoiled early on by the Big East, while UCF grew more slowly and more organically. Thus UCF has a more constant season ticket holder base. Danny White understands this and understand UCF fans don't have to have Bama there to be interested in the game. USF fans whine constantly about the AAC and how much better it was when they were in the Big East, while UCF fans are excited to play the AAC games and win championships.

So don't pin UCF with the USF hangups. If UCF stops being undefeated, will attendance dip? Yes. But not enough to change much financially. Playing UF and Bama in away games would not help that. The scheduling has been done to maximize home field participation.

If you got 25k at that game, props to you, but photos don't lend credence to that.

As far as hang ups, I have none about USF. This is a typical attempt to pin USF fans as "ungrateful, don't want to be here, etc.". In other words, you want our fan base to act like UConn's. That's nonsense. I cheer for USF because they are MY alma mater, they are MY school. And every one of the season ticket holders and students that attend our games today feel the same way.

You're so big on beating up on USF and how we have no fan base. Yet in 2013, our WORST year, we had average attendance of 34,700. Or, since you like to play the "actual attendance" game that UCF likes to play, actual butts in seats were 20,379. That's in our WORST year. Really, USF is doing fine on attendance.

Did this conversation not start because you (or some other USF fan) said that DW's scheduling practice depended upon undefeated seasons. My argument was that UCF does not depend upon high level opponents ot perfect seasons for attendance and what DW is doing is playing to our strength. By example our worst season saw 30,000 fans. Yes I took a shot at USF, could not help myself. But I quickly took it back to the scheduling concept.

By your metrics our worst season had 34k fans. What's your point?

(08-01-2019 11:27 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:20 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 11:24 AM)knightastic Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 08:41 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 07:32 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  Was curious what ucf fans thought about this so I checked their board... It looks that most are worried they haven't had any good scheduling news and this home and home is definitely not moving the needle.

Not "most." Just the bed-wetters.

more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

They started there but left by half mostly

(08-01-2019 12:21 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 12:15 PM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:27 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:20 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 11:24 AM)knightastic Wrote:  more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Announced for both teams in 2015: 26,578 for USF 30,065 for UCF.

I was at the USF game and there was a surprisingly large number of fans there for a team that was 0-11 and had given up. I know it is hard for you to imagine 25,000+ loyal fans who show up to games in even the most horrific seasons, but UCF was built differently than USF. USF was spoiled early on by the Big East, while UCF grew more slowly and more organically. Thus UCF has a more constant season ticket holder base. Danny White understands this and understand UCF fans don't have to have Bama there to be interested in the game. USF fans whine constantly about the AAC and how much better it was when they were in the Big East, while UCF fans are excited to play the AAC games and win championships.

So don't pin UCF with the USF hangups. If UCF stops being undefeated, will attendance dip? Yes. But not enough to change much financially. Playing UF and Bama in away games would not help that. The scheduling has been done to maximize home field participation.

There were not 25,000 at the USF game. Let's just establish that fact right now.

Like all schools, UCF's announced attendance for that game included ALL tickets distributed. Clearly, a lot of season ticket holders decided not to show up.

That was only 1 of 2 home games I've missed since we moved up to FBS in '96. I hope we NEVER play on Thanksgiving Day EVER again.