(07-30-2019 11:24 AM)knightastic Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 08:41 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 07:32 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  Was curious what ucf fans thought about this so I checked their board... It looks that most are worried they haven't had any good scheduling news and this home and home is definitely not moving the needle.

Not "most." Just the bed-wetters.

more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

Well, based on what he has done so far, Danny White may very well be untouchable.

The only coaching hire he has made so far that is not a home run (yet) is in baseball, and that may very well turn out to be a good hire when all is said and done.

Fundraising, especially the big donor gifts paying for all the new facilities and improvements to old facilities, is massively better than it has been under any other AD.

Keep in mind that DW has a lot of family connections in college athletics. If DWs actions were really harming UCF in any way, I think his brother (AD at FAU) and father (AD at Due) would let him know and he would modify his positions.

UCF has had this general scheduling philosophy (with just a few exceptions) for over a decade. DW isn't the one who implemented it. Right now it is working fine. If at some point it stops working, I am sure he will make adjustments.

These games against FAU and FIU are good for recruiting reasons, as both are located in south Florida, which we obviously heavily recruit. They're also good for the fans, as we have lots of alumni in those areas that can make the game. The tickets for the game @FAU are already almost sold out, and I'm sure a sizable percentage are UCF fans making the trip or that live in the area.

(07-30-2019 08:07 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  I think UCF should have either FIU or FAU on their schedule every year. It is good for the state, good for establishing rivalries and a fun easy road trip for many UCF fans. Screw the playoffs. UCF needs to do what is best for UCF fans.

I agree. Given how the conference is spread out I think most schools should try to schedule a local G4 and P5 and try to have them as often as they can. That gives fans a couple of games nearby that they can travel too given most conference games are a hike. Then they still have two other games to work with which could be 1 marquee P5 matchup. Then the other is a buy game against FCS or whatever.

(07-30-2019 02:22 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 08:07 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  I think UCF should have either FIU or FAU on their schedule every year. It is good for the state, good for establishing rivalries and a fun easy road trip for many UCF fans. Screw the playoffs. UCF needs to do what is best for UCF fans.

I agree. Given how the conference is spread out I think most schools should try to schedule a local G4 and P5 and try to have them as often as they can. That gives fans a couple of games nearby that they can travel too given most conference games are a hike. Then they still have two other games to work with which could be 1 marquee P5 matchup. Then the other is a buy game against FCS or whatever.

Agree to both of these posts. Both schools are down there on the Florida Peninsula away from the rest of the conference. They should be scheduling 2 other Florida schools for all of their sports annually to cut travel and have drivable distances for their fans. FAU, FIU, Miami, Florida St, and Florida all provide those sports to fit that bill.

UCF AD Danny White absolutely DESTROYED critics attacks of UCF's scheduling of FIIU in an interview this morning. Some highlights...

"UCF could schedule the San Francisco 49s, Miami Dolphins, and Chicago Bears, and still not get into the playoffs."

If a stronger schedule would give UCF a realistic chance at the playoffs, he would do it.

NO ONE has actually offered UCF a true 2-for-1 with the "1" being at UCF's stadium. This narrative that UCF is turning down 2-for-1 offers is totally false.

Every other sport at UCF aggressively schedules strong opponents because these other NCAA sports have a true playoff and at least attempt to somewhat objectively take SOS into account (Specifically mentioning metrics like RPI and quadrants).

"Boise did not have a play anyone anywhere approach, that was Fresno State...I worked there at the time." Was very complimentary of Boise St, but just wanted to point out one of the many fallacies propagated by media people who don't know the facts. Said UCF's scheduling approach is actually very much like Boise St.

No one should have been surprised by the FIU announcement. This series fits the exact scheduling philosophy that he has been telling the media for three years now. UCF already has two P6 teams scheduled in the years UCF will play FIU.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-open-...=web_share

One other interesting tidbit from the interview. Danny White briefly mentioned something about a "scheduling consultant" UCF uses who is amazed how many "Power" 5 teams are avoiding scheduling UCF, but did not go into any more detail.

On Orlando radio this morning, Marc Daniels went into a little more detail...

UCF works with a scheduling consultant - and a prominent one - who works with the TV networks and tries to broker scheduling deals across the country. Daniels has said that the consultant has received interest from the networks and venues for several neutral site games with UCF, but he cannot get other schools to commit to them. Bottom line, UCF isn't avoiding neutral site games at all. Schools just aren't willing to play us.

(07-28-2019 09:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  we all have 1 and 1s with g5...including usf

fiu > san jose state

1 and 1 with fiu > 2 for 1 with Louisville....

You are G5.....

Plus you have a home-home with Georgia Southern coming up.

(07-31-2019 11:42 AM)Square Knight Wrote:  UCF AD Danny White absolutely DESTROYED critics attacks of UCF's scheduling of FIIU in an interview this morning. Some highlights...

"UCF could schedule the San Francisco 49s, Miami Dolphins, and Chicago Bears, and still not get into the playoffs."

If a stronger schedule would give UCF a realistic chance at the playoffs, he would do it.

NO ONE has actually offered UCF a true 2-for-1 with the "1" being at UCF's stadium. This narrative that UCF is turning down 2-for-1 offers is totally false.

Every other sport at UCF aggressively schedules strong opponents because these other NCAA sports have a true playoff and at least attempt to somewhat objectively take SOS into account (Specifically mentioning metrics like RPI and quadrants).

"Boise did not have a play anyone anywhere approach, that was Fresno State...I worked there at the time." Was very complimentary of Boise St, but just wanted to point out one of the many fallacies propagated by media people who don't know the facts. Said UCF's scheduling approach is actually very much like Boise St.

No one should have been surprised by the FIU announcement. This series fits the exact scheduling philosophy that he has been telling the media for three years now. UCF already has two P6 teams scheduled in the years UCF will play FIU.

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-open-...=web_share

Yeah it was a very good listen as a UCF fan wondering about scheduling. He said he had other big scheduling news but this FIU game got leaked first. And he did say he would consider a true 2:1 but not the Gators bogus NON-OFFICIAL offer of 2 games in Gainesville and 1 at a Camping World Stadium, and he'd do a single game at a neutral site. I also like this P5 schedule comparison below with Boise State who people say we should schedule like because 'they play any one any where'
.....I think our schedule has been tougher. (don't think we won even half of those but hey we did schedule them!)

(07-31-2019 12:13 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  One other interesting tidbit from the interview. Danny White briefly mentioned something about a "scheduling consultant" UCF uses who is amazed how many "Power" 5 teams are avoiding scheduling UCF, but did not go into any more detail.

On Orlando radio this morning, Marc Daniels went into a little more detail...

UCF works with a scheduling consultant - and a prominent one - who works with the TV networks and tries to broker scheduling deals across the country. Daniels has said that the consultant has received interest from the networks and venues for several neutral site games with UCF, but he cannot get other schools to commit to them. Bottom line, UCF isn't avoiding neutral site games at all. Schools just aren't willing to play us.

Really? A 10-2 UCF looks better on a P5 schedule than a 4-8 Vanderbilt or 7-5 Duke. Sort of like Penn State wasn't really dinged for their close game against App because App had won 10 games the year before and ended last season with 11 wins.

(07-31-2019 12:17 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 12:13 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  One other interesting tidbit from the interview. Danny White briefly mentioned something about a "scheduling consultant" UCF uses who is amazed how many "Power" 5 teams are avoiding scheduling UCF, but did not go into any more detail.

On Orlando radio this morning, Marc Daniels went into a little more detail...

UCF works with a scheduling consultant - and a prominent one - who works with the TV networks and tries to broker scheduling deals across the country. Daniels has said that the consultant has received interest from the networks and venues for several neutral site games with UCF, but he cannot get other schools to commit to them. Bottom line, UCF isn't avoiding neutral site games at all. Schools just aren't willing to play us.

Really? A 10-2 UCF looks better on a P5 schedule than a 4-8 Vanderbilt or 7-5 Duke. Sort of like Penn State wasn't really dinged for their close game against App because App had won 10 games the year before and ended last season with 11 wins.

They werent dinged because they won, but P5 teams have to be careful scheduling top G5 teams. They get very little out of winning those games and lose a lot of credibility when they lose.

(07-31-2019 12:17 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 12:13 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  One other interesting tidbit from the interview. Danny White briefly mentioned something about a "scheduling consultant" UCF uses who is amazed how many "Power" 5 teams are avoiding scheduling UCF, but did not go into any more detail.

On Orlando radio this morning, Marc Daniels went into a little more detail...

UCF works with a scheduling consultant - and a prominent one - who works with the TV networks and tries to broker scheduling deals across the country. Daniels has said that the consultant has received interest from the networks and venues for several neutral site games with UCF, but he cannot get other schools to commit to them. Bottom line, UCF isn't avoiding neutral site games at all. Schools just aren't willing to play us.

Really? A 10-2 UCF looks better on a P5 schedule than a 4-8 Vanderbilt or 7-5 Duke. Sort of like Penn State wasn't really dinged for their close game against App because App had won 10 games the year before and ended last season with 11 wins.

A loss to a mid level p5 team reinforces the narrative that teams in the p5 are above the g5. A loss to UCF contradicts that thought. Its riskier to play UCF both because of how good we have been and perception.

He also mentioned that UCF is about 90 season tickets away from being sold out. I've also heard rumors that UCF is working out a series with BSU and/or BYU.

(07-30-2019 08:07 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  I think UCF should have either FIU or FAU on their schedule every year. It is good for the state, good for establishing rivalries and a fun easy road trip for many UCF fans. Screw the playoffs. UCF needs to do what is best for UCF fans.

Gotta get those south FL recruits. I don't know why we aren't playing F_U and GSU (state and southern) every year.

I’m old enough to remember after 2017 critics saying if we went undefeated again in 2018 that we could get into the playoffs.

(07-31-2019 12:17 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(07-31-2019 12:13 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  One other interesting tidbit from the interview. Danny White briefly mentioned something about a "scheduling consultant" UCF uses who is amazed how many "Power" 5 teams are avoiding scheduling UCF, but did not go into any more detail.

On Orlando radio this morning, Marc Daniels went into a little more detail...

UCF works with a scheduling consultant - and a prominent one - who works with the TV networks and tries to broker scheduling deals across the country. Daniels has said that the consultant has received interest from the networks and venues for several neutral site games with UCF, but he cannot get other schools to commit to them. Bottom line, UCF isn't avoiding neutral site games at all. Schools just aren't willing to play us.

Really? A 10-2 UCF looks better on a P5 schedule than a 4-8 Vanderbilt or 7-5 Duke. Sort of like Penn State wasn't really dinged for their close game against App because App had won 10 games the year before and ended last season with 11 wins.

Don't kid yourself. A lot of people looked down on Penn St because of that App St game.

A loss to a G4 team will ALWAYS look worse than a loss to a poor "Power" 5 team...with the possible exception of Kansas.

(08-01-2019 09:10 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I’m old enough to remember after 2017 critics saying if we went undefeated again in 2018 that we could get into the playoffs.

Get into the discussion for the playoffs.

(07-30-2019 11:24 AM)knightastic Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 08:41 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 07:32 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  Was curious what ucf fans thought about this so I checked their board... It looks that most are worried they haven't had any good scheduling news and this home and home is definitely not moving the needle.

Not "most." Just the bed-wetters.

more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

(08-01-2019 11:20 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 11:24 AM)knightastic Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 08:41 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 07:32 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  Was curious what ucf fans thought about this so I checked their board... It looks that most are worried they haven't had any good scheduling news and this home and home is definitely not moving the needle.

Not "most." Just the bed-wetters.

more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

There's no doubt that UCF will benefit by playing FIU and FAU. IMO this scheduling decision by their AD will benefit their recruiting in South Florida. Great decision IMO.

(08-01-2019 11:27 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  

(08-01-2019 11:20 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(07-30-2019 11:24 AM)knightastic Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 08:41 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(07-29-2019 07:32 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  Was curious what ucf fans thought about this so I checked their board... It looks that most are worried they haven't had any good scheduling news and this home and home is definitely not moving the needle.

Not "most." Just the bed-wetters.

more UCF fans are not a fan of the scheduling..they just don't post on the board about it or on twitter bc the hardcore's think Danny White is untouchable

this model of scheduling relies on staying undefeated for demand as the place to be, if that doesn't happen watch how quick Spectrum looks empty then the same fans defending this will be pissed in a few years when we are stuck with roadtrips to Doral while USF is in Tuscaloosa

No, this model of scheduling relies on building a home game fan base, increasing revenues as well as increasing odds of a NY6 Bowl. In 2015 the 0-12 season, UCF averaged 30,000 fans (more than USF btw). So fans will show up even in mediocre seasons. Would UCF fans like to have Clemson/Bama/UF at Spectrum? Sure. But not if it means giving up so many home games. a 2-1? sure. 2 2 for 1s? Hmmm 3 2 for 1s? No way

Please don't attempt to tell us UCF's games for UConn, Houston, ECU, and USF somehow had 30k in the stands. You'd be lucky if there were 1000 there. UCF attempts to rail on USF for announced vs. actual, well, there was no one there.

Ahh, the beauty of not having to open the books and be accountable about actual vs. announced attendance. This is from the very season Noise Penalty lists (when there was no reason to even mention us otherwise).

USFFan