(08-14-2019 12:10 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

Why did you bother adding "USF Lakeland" and "USF Ft. Meyers" to the map? Even with those additions before they were stripped away, Miami (south Florida region) still existed and was rapidly growing. It was a foolish and short-sighted name in 1956 and that continues to be the case today.

USF should have chosen to be named West Florida, which would have actually made sense.

(08-13-2019 11:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 05:17 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  This should settle the whole location debate lol. Usf really screwed up.

lol....Well, if UCF is "central"---then isnt USF "south" of that?

So we have two fan bases arguing over the names of their schools in a state that looks like a giant Pe-nis with a really tiny ball sack?

Have I got this right?

(08-14-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 11:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 05:17 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  This should settle the whole location debate lol. Usf really screwed up.

lol....Well, if UCF is "central"---then isnt USF "south" of that?

So have have two fan bases arguing over the names of their school in a state that looks like a giant Pe-nis?

Have I got this right?

Please enlighten us, what part of the Pe-nis is Gulfport located in?

(08-14-2019 02:34 PM)fade2blac Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 11:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 05:17 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  This should settle the whole location debate lol. Usf really screwed up.

lol....Well, if UCF is "central"---then isnt USF "south" of that?

So have have two fan bases arguing over the names of their school in a state that looks like a giant Pe-nis?

Have I got this right?

Please enlighten us, what part of the Pe-nis is Gulfport located in?

Not sure if you are really thin skinned or playing along with the joke though....so well done there

let's just say if I'm messing with a C-USA girl, I'm pretty damn close to the latex cover

BTW, this is one of the coolest logos out there. I'd love it if UCF brought it back for an alternate uniform/mascot game

Maybe the USF founders assumed the political climate would eventually force the state of florida to split in 2. Making a North Florida (predominately Republican) and a South Florida (predominately Democrat). I-4 would be the most obvious dividing line.

UCF being in southern part of North Florida would free them up to change back to Florida Technological University, branding Florida Tech.
UNF lucks out while UF and FSU contemplate name changes as well.

USF being in northern part of South Florida would make sense for the first time.
FIT realizing they can no longer call themselves Florida Tech pulls a Pirate move and becomes East Florida University.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/gov...edirect=on

(08-14-2019 01:47 PM)e-parade Wrote:  How about just changing them both.

University of Off-Center Florida
University of Nearly-South Florida

I like it

(08-14-2019 02:29 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 11:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-13-2019 05:17 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  This should settle the whole location debate lol. Usf really screwed up.

lol....Well, if UCF is "central"---then isnt USF "south" of that?

So we have two fan bases arguing over the names of their schools in a state that looks like a giant Pe-nis with a really tiny ball sack?

Have I got this right?

Is the ACC board that boring to post this?

(08-14-2019 02:11 PM)fade2blac Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 12:10 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

Why did you bother adding "USF Lakeland" and "USF Ft. Meyers" to the map? Even with those additions before they were stripped away, Miami (south Florida region) still existed and was rapidly growing. It was a foolish and short-sighted name in 1956 and that continues to be the case today.

USF should have chosen to be named West Florida, which would have actually made sense.

I put them in to show what the original plan was, which is to have a university system that served the southern areas of Florida. I kinda thought that would be obvious.

You can call it short sighted and stupid all you want, but it fit what the plan was... plans change, kinda like UCF deciding to change its mission and vision and therefore changing its name.

and to address you same boring responce again, the LEGISLATURE (note... not anyone associated with USF) believed that since there was a private college in Miami that was large and doing well, they didnt need to add another university down there. They decided that a series of smaller regional campuses under one name (USF) would better supplement the needs down there.

What I find hillarious is you like to bag on our name but cant address that your name change (not even your original) isnt even accurate. You arent close to the center. To call our name stupid when we actually were built to be a southern system but needs changed and yet not acknowledge that you changed your name to something that isnt accurate is hilarious.

(08-14-2019 03:08 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Maybe the USF founders assumed the political climate would eventually force the state of florida to split in 2. Making a North Florida (predominately Republican) and a South Florida (predominately Democrat). I-4 would be the most obvious dividing line.

UCF being in southern part of North Florida would free them up to change back to Florida Technological University, branding Florida Tech.
UNF lucks out while UF and FSU contemplate name changes as well.

USF being in northern part of South Florida would make sense for the first time.
FIT realizing they can no longer call themselves Florida Tech pulls a Pirate move and becomes East Florida University.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/gov...edirect=on

Eastern Florida University

When my kids were approaching their pre-teenage years, they'd watch shows on the Disney Channel and Nickelodeon like The Amanda Show, Kenan and Kel, Drake and Josh, Hannah Montana, etc. It was painful, because you'd be watching the set up for their hackneyed jokes coming a mile away, but the kids would laugh at it like it was the funniest and most original stuff ever written. Then you'd see the same set ups and jokes on the next show, and again, they'd still laugh. The only thing that got us through was the knowledge that they'd outgrow it. The problem is that new preteens come along, so these networks can keep recycling the same crap, and the next generation thinks it's funny and they're being clever.

Hey, I know, let's start breaking out the whole "How do you get a UCF fan off your porch - pay him for the pizza!" laugh riots! Or how about "Why did they put turf on the field at Houston? To keep the cheerleaders from grazing at halftime!"

Take my wife - please!

USFFan

(08-15-2019 07:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 02:11 PM)fade2blac Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 12:10 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

Why did you bother adding "USF Lakeland" and "USF Ft. Meyers" to the map? Even with those additions before they were stripped away, Miami (south Florida region) still existed and was rapidly growing. It was a foolish and short-sighted name in 1956 and that continues to be the case today.

USF should have chosen to be named West Florida, which would have actually made sense.

I put them in to show what the original plan was, which is to have a university system that served the southern areas of Florida. I kinda thought that would be obvious.

You can call it short sighted and stupid all you want, but it fit what the plan was... plans change, kinda like UCF deciding to change its mission and vision and therefore changing its name.

and to address you same boring responce again, the LEGISLATURE (note... not anyone associated with USF) believed that since there was a private college in Miami that was large and doing well, they didnt need to add another university down there. They decided that a series of smaller regional campuses under one name (USF) would better supplement the needs down there.

What I find hillarious is you like to bag on our name but cant address that your name change (not even your original) isnt even accurate. You arent close to the center. To call our name stupid when we actually were built to be a southern system but needs changed and yet not acknowledge that you changed your name to something that isnt accurate is hilarious.

You are all over the place. One post you are saying that in 1956, the Miami area was nothing but swamps and drugs and no one lived down there, which is false. Now, you are saying that the Legislature did not open a university in the Miami area because UM was already there? Which is it? During this time, Dade County was already significantly more populated than Hillsborough County. FIU opened just 9 years later, so the legislature very likely had preliminary plans for FIU in 1956.

Also, if the University of Miami kept the Legislature from opening a new college there, how come that same logic does not apply to the University of Tampa? How come UT did not keep the Legislature from opening USF in Tampa? You are grasping at straws my friend.

In 1956, if the Legislature started with the first college of the new USF system somewhere in actual south Florida and then started to move up the west coast, fine, the name would have at least started off to take make sense, but that did not happen. From day 1, the name did not make sense when you look at the facts, no matter how much USF fans want to believe otherwise. USF is no stranger to rebranding. USF should have taken their multimillion-dollar rebranding disaster last year to rename the university to something less embarrassing and geographically accurate.

Are you really implying that UCF could only be built on the exact center of the State of Florida to be called the University of Central Florida? UCF is clearly in the Central Florida region by any measurable. USF is not in South Florida. You are really struggling with your argument, you should just give up. But since you went to USF, let me show you a map of Florida to help you out…

(08-15-2019 08:26 AM)usffan Wrote:  When my kids were approaching their pre-teenage years, they'd watch shows on the Disney Channel and Nickelodeon like The Amanda Show, Kenan and Kel, Drake and Josh, Hannah Montana, etc. It was painful, because you'd be watching the set up for their hackneyed jokes coming a mile away, but the kids would laugh at it like it was the funniest and most original stuff ever written. Then you'd see the same set ups and jokes on the next show, and again, they'd still laugh. The only thing that got us through was the knowledge that they'd outgrow it. The problem is that new preteens come along, so these networks can keep recycling the same crap, and the next generation thinks it's funny and they're being clever.

Hey, I know, let's start breaking out the whole "How do you get a UCF fan off your porch - pay him for the pizza!" laugh riots! Or how about "Why did they put turf on the field at Houston? To keep the cheerleaders from grazing at halftime!"

Take my wife - please!

USFFan

Kind of like erector set stadium jokes. it seems Some things just never get old.

(08-15-2019 09:19 AM)fade2blac Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 07:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 02:11 PM)fade2blac Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 12:10 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

Why did you bother adding "USF Lakeland" and "USF Ft. Meyers" to the map? Even with those additions before they were stripped away, Miami (south Florida region) still existed and was rapidly growing. It was a foolish and short-sighted name in 1956 and that continues to be the case today.

USF should have chosen to be named West Florida, which would have actually made sense.

I put them in to show what the original plan was, which is to have a university system that served the southern areas of Florida. I kinda thought that would be obvious.

You can call it short sighted and stupid all you want, but it fit what the plan was... plans change, kinda like UCF deciding to change its mission and vision and therefore changing its name.

and to address you same boring responce again, the LEGISLATURE (note... not anyone associated with USF) believed that since there was a private college in Miami that was large and doing well, they didnt need to add another university down there. They decided that a series of smaller regional campuses under one name (USF) would better supplement the needs down there.

What I find hillarious is you like to bag on our name but cant address that your name change (not even your original) isnt even accurate. You arent close to the center. To call our name stupid when we actually were built to be a southern system but needs changed and yet not acknowledge that you changed your name to something that isnt accurate is hilarious.

You are all over the place. One post you are saying that in 1956, the Miami area was nothing but swamps and drugs and no one lived down there, which is false. Now, you are saying that the Legislature did not open a university in the Miami area because UM was already there? Which is it? During this time, Dade County was already significantly more populated than Hillsborough County. FIU opened just 9 years later, so the legislature very likely had preliminary plans for FIU in 1956.

Also, if the University of Miami kept the Legislature from opening a new college there, how come that same logic does not apply to the University of Tampa? How come UT did not keep the Legislature from opening USF in Tampa? You are grasping at straws my friend.

In 1956, if the Legislature started with the first college of the new USF system somewhere in actual south Florida and then started to move up the west coast, fine, the name would have at least started off to take make sense, but that did not happen. From day 1, the name did not make sense when you look at the facts, no matter how much USF fans want to believe otherwise. USF is no stranger to rebranding. USF should have taken their multimillion-dollar rebranding disaster last year to rename the university to something less embarrassing and geographically accurate.

Are you really implying that UCF could only built on the exact center of the State of Florida to be called the University of Central Florida? UCF is clearly in the Central Florida region by any measurable. USF is not in South Florida. You are really struggling with your argument, you should just give up. But since you went to USF, let me show you a map of Florida to help you out…

You seem to care an awful lot about such a miniscule thing. But funny enough, it took 1 minute to go on Wikipedia and find the story...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_In...%80%931969

Quote:In 1964, Senate Bill 711 was introduced by Florida Senator Robert M. Haverfield. It instructed the state Board of Education and the Board of Regents (BOR), to begin planning for the development of a state university in Miami. The bill was signed into law by then-governor W. Haydon Burns in June 1965, marking FIU's official founding.

...

Quote:In September 1972, 5,667 students entered the new state university, the largest opening day enrollment at the time. Previously, Miami had been the largest city in the country lacking a public baccalaureate-granting institution. Eighty percent of the student body had just graduated from Dade County Junior College (now Miami-Dade College). A typical student entering FIU was 25 years old and attending school full-time while holding down a full-time job. Forty-three percent were married. Negotiations with the University of Miami and Dade County Junior College led FIU to open as an upper-division only school.

So in 1956, when USF was founded, there were no plans for a state institution in Dade County. And furthermore, both the University of Miami and then-Dade County Junior College fought to keep them as an upper-division only school until 1981.

Maybe the important question is why you think this is so important that you keep whining about it?

USFFan

(08-15-2019 09:50 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 08:26 AM)usffan Wrote:  When my kids were approaching their pre-teenage years, they'd watch shows on the Disney Channel and Nickelodeon like The Amanda Show, Kenan and Kel, Drake and Josh, Hannah Montana, etc. It was painful, because you'd be watching the set up for their hackneyed jokes coming a mile away, but the kids would laugh at it like it was the funniest and most original stuff ever written. Then you'd see the same set ups and jokes on the next show, and again, they'd still laugh. The only thing that got us through was the knowledge that they'd outgrow it. The problem is that new preteens come along, so these networks can keep recycling the same crap, and the next generation thinks it's funny and they're being clever.

Hey, I know, let's start breaking out the whole "How do you get a UCF fan off your porch - pay him for the pizza!" laugh riots! Or how about "Why did they put turf on the field at Houston? To keep the cheerleaders from grazing at halftime!"

Take my wife - please!

USFFan

Kind of like erector set stadium jokes. it seems Some things just never get old.

Agree with the first sentence. Disagree with the second (on both counts).

USFFan

(08-15-2019 09:53 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 09:19 AM)fade2blac Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 07:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 02:11 PM)fade2blac Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 12:10 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

Why did you bother adding "USF Lakeland" and "USF Ft. Meyers" to the map? Even with those additions before they were stripped away, Miami (south Florida region) still existed and was rapidly growing. It was a foolish and short-sighted name in 1956 and that continues to be the case today.

USF should have chosen to be named West Florida, which would have actually made sense.

I put them in to show what the original plan was, which is to have a university system that served the southern areas of Florida. I kinda thought that would be obvious.

You can call it short sighted and stupid all you want, but it fit what the plan was... plans change, kinda like UCF deciding to change its mission and vision and therefore changing its name.

and to address you same boring responce again, the LEGISLATURE (note... not anyone associated with USF) believed that since there was a private college in Miami that was large and doing well, they didnt need to add another university down there. They decided that a series of smaller regional campuses under one name (USF) would better supplement the needs down there.

What I find hillarious is you like to bag on our name but cant address that your name change (not even your original) isnt even accurate. You arent close to the center. To call our name stupid when we actually were built to be a southern system but needs changed and yet not acknowledge that you changed your name to something that isnt accurate is hilarious.

You are all over the place. One post you are saying that in 1956, the Miami area was nothing but swamps and drugs and no one lived down there, which is false. Now, you are saying that the Legislature did not open a university in the Miami area because UM was already there? Which is it? During this time, Dade County was already significantly more populated than Hillsborough County. FIU opened just 9 years later, so the legislature very likely had preliminary plans for FIU in 1956.

Also, if the University of Miami kept the Legislature from opening a new college there, how come that same logic does not apply to the University of Tampa? How come UT did not keep the Legislature from opening USF in Tampa? You are grasping at straws my friend.

In 1956, if the Legislature started with the first college of the new USF system somewhere in actual south Florida and then started to move up the west coast, fine, the name would have at least started off to take make sense, but that did not happen. From day 1, the name did not make sense when you look at the facts, no matter how much USF fans want to believe otherwise. USF is no stranger to rebranding. USF should have taken their multimillion-dollar rebranding disaster last year to rename the university to something less embarrassing and geographically accurate.

Are you really implying that UCF could only built on the exact center of the State of Florida to be called the University of Central Florida? UCF is clearly in the Central Florida region by any measurable. USF is not in South Florida. You are really struggling with your argument, you should just give up. But since you went to USF, let me show you a map of Florida to help you out…

You seem to care an awful lot about such a miniscule thing. But funny enough, it took 1 minute to go on Wikipedia and find the story...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_In...%80%931969

Quote:In 1964, Senate Bill 711 was introduced by Florida Senator Robert M. Haverfield. It instructed the state Board of Education and the Board of Regents (BOR), to begin planning for the development of a state university in Miami. The bill was signed into law by then-governor W. Haydon Burns in June 1965, marking FIU's official founding.

...

Quote:In September 1972, 5,667 students entered the new state university, the largest opening day enrollment at the time. Previously, Miami had been the largest city in the country lacking a public baccalaureate-granting institution. Eighty percent of the student body had just graduated from Dade County Junior College (now Miami-Dade College). A typical student entering FIU was 25 years old and attending school full-time while holding down a full-time job. Forty-three percent were married. Negotiations with the University of Miami and Dade County Junior College led FIU to open as an upper-division only school.

So in 1956, when USF was founded, there were no plans for a state institution in Dade County. And furthermore, both the University of Miami and then-Dade County Junior College fought to keep them as an upper-division only school until 1981.

Maybe the important question is why you think this is so important that you keep whining about it?

USFFan

lol wut? Did you not read the very first sentence of the link you provided?

Quote:The story of Florida International University's founding began in 1943, when state Senator Ernest 'Cap' Graham (father of future Florida governor and U.S. senator Bob Graham) presented the state legislature with the initial proposal for the establishment of a public university in South Florida. While his bill did not pass, Graham persisted in presenting his proposal to colleagues, advising them of Miami's need for a state university. He felt the establishment of a public university was necessary to serve the city's growing population.

There was a big push to open a university in Miami 1943! While USF opened up before FIU, it was obvious that Miami would eventually get their own university system, which continues show how short-sighted it was to name the University in Tampa after South Florida.

(08-15-2019 10:07 AM)fade2blac Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 09:53 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 09:19 AM)fade2blac Wrote:  

(08-15-2019 07:58 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(08-14-2019 02:11 PM)fade2blac Wrote:  Why did you bother adding "USF Lakeland" and "USF Ft. Meyers" to the map? Even with those additions before they were stripped away, Miami (south Florida region) still existed and was rapidly growing. It was a foolish and short-sighted name in 1956 and that continues to be the case today.

USF should have chosen to be named West Florida, which would have actually made sense.

I put them in to show what the original plan was, which is to have a university system that served the southern areas of Florida. I kinda thought that would be obvious.

You can call it short sighted and stupid all you want, but it fit what the plan was... plans change, kinda like UCF deciding to change its mission and vision and therefore changing its name.

and to address you same boring responce again, the LEGISLATURE (note... not anyone associated with USF) believed that since there was a private college in Miami that was large and doing well, they didnt need to add another university down there. They decided that a series of smaller regional campuses under one name (USF) would better supplement the needs down there.

What I find hillarious is you like to bag on our name but cant address that your name change (not even your original) isnt even accurate. You arent close to the center. To call our name stupid when we actually were built to be a southern system but needs changed and yet not acknowledge that you changed your name to something that isnt accurate is hilarious.

You are all over the place. One post you are saying that in 1956, the Miami area was nothing but swamps and drugs and no one lived down there, which is false. Now, you are saying that the Legislature did not open a university in the Miami area because UM was already there? Which is it? During this time, Dade County was already significantly more populated than Hillsborough County. FIU opened just 9 years later, so the legislature very likely had preliminary plans for FIU in 1956.

Also, if the University of Miami kept the Legislature from opening a new college there, how come that same logic does not apply to the University of Tampa? How come UT did not keep the Legislature from opening USF in Tampa? You are grasping at straws my friend.

In 1956, if the Legislature started with the first college of the new USF system somewhere in actual south Florida and then started to move up the west coast, fine, the name would have at least started off to take make sense, but that did not happen. From day 1, the name did not make sense when you look at the facts, no matter how much USF fans want to believe otherwise. USF is no stranger to rebranding. USF should have taken their multimillion-dollar rebranding disaster last year to rename the university to something less embarrassing and geographically accurate.

Are you really implying that UCF could only built on the exact center of the State of Florida to be called the University of Central Florida? UCF is clearly in the Central Florida region by any measurable. USF is not in South Florida. You are really struggling with your argument, you should just give up. But since you went to USF, let me show you a map of Florida to help you out…

You seem to care an awful lot about such a miniscule thing. But funny enough, it took 1 minute to go on Wikipedia and find the story...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_In...%80%931969

Quote:In 1964, Senate Bill 711 was introduced by Florida Senator Robert M. Haverfield. It instructed the state Board of Education and the Board of Regents (BOR), to begin planning for the development of a state university in Miami. The bill was signed into law by then-governor W. Haydon Burns in June 1965, marking FIU's official founding.

...

Quote:In September 1972, 5,667 students entered the new state university, the largest opening day enrollment at the time. Previously, Miami had been the largest city in the country lacking a public baccalaureate-granting institution. Eighty percent of the student body had just graduated from Dade County Junior College (now Miami-Dade College). A typical student entering FIU was 25 years old and attending school full-time while holding down a full-time job. Forty-three percent were married. Negotiations with the University of Miami and Dade County Junior College led FIU to open as an upper-division only school.

So in 1956, when USF was founded, there were no plans for a state institution in Dade County. And furthermore, both the University of Miami and then-Dade County Junior College fought to keep them as an upper-division only school until 1981.

Maybe the important question is why you think this is so important that you keep whining about it?

USFFan

lol wut? Did you not read the very first sentence of the link you provided?

Quote:The story of Florida International University's founding began in 1943, when state Senator Ernest 'Cap' Graham (father of future Florida governor and U.S. senator Bob Graham) presented the state legislature with the initial proposal for the establishment of a public university in South Florida. While his bill did not pass, Graham persisted in presenting his proposal to colleagues, advising them of Miami's need for a state university. He felt the establishment of a public university was necessary to serve the city's growing population.

There was a big push to open a university in Miami 1943! While USF opened up before FIU, it was obvious that Miami would eventually get their own university system, which continues show how short-sighted it was to name the University in Tampa after South Florida.

Multiple things here...

1 - just because a state senator proposed legislation (that was voted down), doesn't mean it was later going to pass (or not pass). There was also proposed legislation that would mandate Florida and FSU to play in football that never was actually approved (despite the urban myth to the contrary). So no, you can't use a voted-down legislation as proof of inevitability. Ben Franklin proposed that the turkey be named the national bird of the United States. Nobody uses that as evidence that it was inevitable that the turkey would be our national bird.

2 - from another thread, but the Graham family was actually one of the first to perfect the whole "get the state to spend money to upgrade land that we own so then the value of the rest of our land will skyrocket." Go back and look at the history of the turnpike extension in south Florida that Governor Bob forced to go through Hialeah and Miami Lakes, and then look at the land he owned that was suddenly relevant and more valuable.

3 - my point still stands - WHY DO YOU CARE SO FREAKING MUCH ABOUT USF'S NAME?



USFFan