(11-06-2018 03:17 PM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote:  App is that pyscho girl you hooked up with on a Thursday night but doesn't understand it was a one time thing.

"Look, that Thursday was fun, but I don't need you showing up to every party I'm at anymore. You need to move on. It's me not you."

(11-06-2018 02:19 PM)APPrising Wrote:  Troy has no chance against the 2 best corners the world has ever seen.

If all you watched was the App Vs GS game film, then yeah I can see why you might think that.

The Georgia Southern corners can win a game of Connect Four in only three moves.

(11-06-2018 04:27 PM)APPrising Wrote:  The Georgia Southern corners can win a game of Connect Four in only three moves.

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Yep, Troy is doomed ... now the most talented program in the SB finally has a coach and will be playing at home. That triple option is unstoppable and the defense is a brick wall. No chance Troy. all hail southern ...

And y'all say Southern fans derail a thread....lol.

I would like to hear from Southern fans what exactly went wrong vs ULM.

(11-06-2018 05:46 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I would like to hear from Southern fans what exactly went wrong vs ULM.

Allow me:
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(11-06-2018 05:46 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I would like to hear from Southern fans what exactly went wrong vs ULM.

Offensively, a benefit of running the option is forcing an inexperienced defense to turn around an prepare for a style of play they rarely see in one week. The longer a defense has to prepare for it, the less of a benefit it is. I knew we were in trouble when I saw that ULM had a bye week before our game.

Defensively, our 3-4 scheme that we have started running this year for whatever reason doesn't match up against ULM's offense that well. I'll admit I have minimal knowledge of how the actual X's and O's work, but we run a clone of the defense App State has been running. ULM hung 52 on their defense last year, and could likely do the same this year.

All season, we have started slow on offense and relied on our defense to keep the score low until we see how the opponent was defending us and make adjustments. I think over the course of the TXST, NMSU, and ULM games, you can see that gameplan backfire more and more as we face increasingly talented offenses. That's what has me nervous for the game with Troy. Kinda hope it rains again.

(11-06-2018 06:21 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 05:46 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I would like to hear from Southern fans what exactly went wrong vs ULM.

Offensively, a benefit of running the option is forcing an inexperienced defense to turn around an prepare for a style of play they rarely see in one week. The longer a defense has to prepare for it, the less of a benefit it is. I knew we were in trouble when I saw that ULM had a bye week before our game.

Defensively, our 3-4 scheme that we have started running this year for whatever reason doesn't match up against ULM's offense that well. I'll admit I have minimal knowledge of how the actual X's and O's work, but we run a clone of the defense App State has been running. ULM hung 52 on their defense last year, and could likely do the same this year.

All season, we have started slow on offense and relied on our defense to keep the score low until we see how the opponent was defending us and make adjustments. I think over the course of the TXST, NMSU, and ULM games, you can see that gameplan backfire more and more as we face increasingly talented offenses. That's what has me nervous for the game with Troy. Kinda hope it rains again.

Likely wouldn't do the same this year. The common denominator here isn't the scheme but the coach, Scott Sloan.

Also App didn't have Devin Stringer that game. The two and a half games he missed were terrible for the defense. He was easily worth close to 10 less points per game against when he was playing.

(11-06-2018 06:24 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 06:21 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 05:46 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I would like to hear from Southern fans what exactly went wrong vs ULM.

Offensively, a benefit of running the option is forcing an inexperienced defense to turn around an prepare for a style of play they rarely see in one week. The longer a defense has to prepare for it, the less of a benefit it is. I knew we were in trouble when I saw that ULM had a bye week before our game.

Defensively, our 3-4 scheme that we have started running this year for whatever reason doesn't match up against ULM's offense that well. I'll admit I have minimal knowledge of how the actual X's and O's work, but we run a clone of the defense App State has been running. ULM hung 52 on their defense last year, and could likely do the same this year.

All season, we have started slow on offense and relied on our defense to keep the score low until we see how the opponent was defending us and make adjustments. I think over the course of the TXST, NMSU, and ULM games, you can see that gameplan backfire more and more as we face increasingly talented offenses. That's what has me nervous for the game with Troy. Kinda hope it rains again.

Likely wouldn't do the same this year. The common denominator here isn't the scheme but the coach, Scott Sloan.

Also App didn't have Devin Stringer that game. The two and a half games he missed were terrible for the defense. He was easily worth close to 10 less points per game against when he was playing.

Wow...is that dude Superman?

(11-06-2018 06:24 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 06:21 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 05:46 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I would like to hear from Southern fans what exactly went wrong vs ULM.

Offensively, a benefit of running the option is forcing an inexperienced defense to turn around an prepare for a style of play they rarely see in one week. The longer a defense has to prepare for it, the less of a benefit it is. I knew we were in trouble when I saw that ULM had a bye week before our game.

Defensively, our 3-4 scheme that we have started running this year for whatever reason doesn't match up against ULM's offense that well. I'll admit I have minimal knowledge of how the actual X's and O's work, but we run a clone of the defense App State has been running. ULM hung 52 on their defense last year, and could likely do the same this year.

All season, we have started slow on offense and relied on our defense to keep the score low until we see how the opponent was defending us and make adjustments. I think over the course of the TXST, NMSU, and ULM games, you can see that gameplan backfire more and more as we face increasingly talented offenses. That's what has me nervous for the game with Troy. Kinda hope it rains again.

Likely wouldn't do the same this year. The common denominator here isn't the scheme but the coach, Scott Sloan.

Also App didn't have Devin Stringer that game. The two and a half games he missed were terrible for the defense. He was easily worth close to 10 less points per game against when he was playing.

We didn’t have our starting safety either. Easily worth 30 points more than Stringer.

(11-06-2018 06:24 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 06:21 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 05:46 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I would like to hear from Southern fans what exactly went wrong vs ULM.

Offensively, a benefit of running the option is forcing an inexperienced defense to turn around an prepare for a style of play they rarely see in one week. The longer a defense has to prepare for it, the less of a benefit it is. I knew we were in trouble when I saw that ULM had a bye week before our game.

Defensively, our 3-4 scheme that we have started running this year for whatever reason doesn't match up against ULM's offense that well. I'll admit I have minimal knowledge of how the actual X's and O's work, but we run a clone of the defense App State has been running. ULM hung 52 on their defense last year, and could likely do the same this year.

All season, we have started slow on offense and relied on our defense to keep the score low until we see how the opponent was defending us and make adjustments. I think over the course of the TXST, NMSU, and ULM games, you can see that gameplan backfire more and more as we face increasingly talented offenses. That's what has me nervous for the game with Troy. Kinda hope it rains again.

Likely wouldn't do the same this year. The common denominator here isn't the scheme but the coach, Scott Sloan.

Also App didn't have Devin Stringer that game. The two and a half games he missed were terrible for the defense. He was easily worth close to 10 less points per game against when he was playing.

We have a lot more losses on our defense than just one guy right now.

And we held them to less points.

Hmmm.

(11-06-2018 06:21 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 05:46 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I would like to hear from Southern fans what exactly went wrong vs ULM.

Offensively, a benefit of running the option is forcing an inexperienced defense to turn around an prepare for a style of play they rarely see in one week. The longer a defense has to prepare for it, the less of a benefit it is. I knew we were in trouble when I saw that ULM had a bye week before our game.

Defensively, our 3-4 scheme that we have started running this year for whatever reason doesn't match up against ULM's offense that well. I'll admit I have minimal knowledge of how the actual X's and O's work, but we run a clone of the defense App State has been running. ULM hung 52 on their defense last year, and could likely do the same this year.

All season, we have started slow on offense and relied on our defense to keep the score low until we see how the opponent was defending us and make adjustments. I think over the course of the TXST, NMSU, and ULM games, you can see that gameplan backfire more and more as we face increasingly talented offenses. That's what has me nervous for the game with Troy. Kinda hope it rains again.

Wrong. Statistically does not correlate.

What the bye did do was allow them to get some guys healthy that had been banged up and work out a solid game plan on offense as well. We moved the ball well on our first drive, just stalling out (like we've had a tendency to do on early drives all year). We score on that first drive and the game is likely somewhat different.

Their offensive gameplan was really good though, and once they scored 20 we were really out of our gameplan.

We had 2 non-offensive TDs and another TD set up by an extremely short field off of a turnover. Normally that's back breaking type stuff. We just didn't execute on offense and they came out fired up and motivated to beat us.

They played a better game. But more time = better performance against the option just isn't a correct statement.

(11-06-2018 07:51 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 06:21 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 05:46 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I would like to hear from Southern fans what exactly went wrong vs ULM.

Offensively, a benefit of running the option is forcing an inexperienced defense to turn around an prepare for a style of play they rarely see in one week. The longer a defense has to prepare for it, the less of a benefit it is. I knew we were in trouble when I saw that ULM had a bye week before our game.

Defensively, our 3-4 scheme that we have started running this year for whatever reason doesn't match up against ULM's offense that well. I'll admit I have minimal knowledge of how the actual X's and O's work, but we run a clone of the defense App State has been running. ULM hung 52 on their defense last year, and could likely do the same this year.

All season, we have started slow on offense and relied on our defense to keep the score low until we see how the opponent was defending us and make adjustments. I think over the course of the TXST, NMSU, and ULM games, you can see that gameplan backfire more and more as we face increasingly talented offenses. That's what has me nervous for the game with Troy. Kinda hope it rains again.

Wrong. Statistically does not correlate.

What the bye did do was allow them to get some guys healthy that had been banged up and work out a solid game plan on offense as well. We moved the ball well on our first drive, just stalling out (like we've had a tendency to do on early drives all year). We score on that first drive and the game is likely somewhat different.

Their offensive gameplan was really good though, and once they scored 20 we were really out of our gameplan.

We had 2 non-offensive TDs and another TD set up by an extremely short field off of a turnover. Normally that's back breaking type stuff. We just didn't execute on offense and they came out fired up and motivated to beat us.

They played a better game. But more time = better performance against the option just isn't a correct statement.

Go listen to DeBesse speak at the coaches show last week. He said what I said almost word for word.

(11-06-2018 09:46 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 07:51 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 06:21 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 05:46 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  I would like to hear from Southern fans what exactly went wrong vs ULM.

Offensively, a benefit of running the option is forcing an inexperienced defense to turn around an prepare for a style of play they rarely see in one week. The longer a defense has to prepare for it, the less of a benefit it is. I knew we were in trouble when I saw that ULM had a bye week before our game.

Defensively, our 3-4 scheme that we have started running this year for whatever reason doesn't match up against ULM's offense that well. I'll admit I have minimal knowledge of how the actual X's and O's work, but we run a clone of the defense App State has been running. ULM hung 52 on their defense last year, and could likely do the same this year.

All season, we have started slow on offense and relied on our defense to keep the score low until we see how the opponent was defending us and make adjustments. I think over the course of the TXST, NMSU, and ULM games, you can see that gameplan backfire more and more as we face increasingly talented offenses. That's what has me nervous for the game with Troy. Kinda hope it rains again.

Wrong. Statistically does not correlate.

What the bye did do was allow them to get some guys healthy that had been banged up and work out a solid game plan on offense as well. We moved the ball well on our first drive, just stalling out (like we've had a tendency to do on early drives all year). We score on that first drive and the game is likely somewhat different.

Their offensive gameplan was really good though, and once they scored 20 we were really out of our gameplan.

We had 2 non-offensive TDs and another TD set up by an extremely short field off of a turnover. Normally that's back breaking type stuff. We just didn't execute on offense and they came out fired up and motivated to beat us.

They played a better game. But more time = better performance against the option just isn't a correct statement.

Go listen to DeBesse speak at the coaches show last week. He said what I said almost word for word.

Your opponent having more time to prepare is not unique to the option though. Yea, them having time off to rest and do nothing but concentrate on nothing but preparing for us is an advantage for sure. But don't throw out the whole "oh you can stop the option with more time to prepare," garbage. They were just ready to play that game more than we were. Simple as that.

Having a good defensive scheme isn't unique to defending the option.

(11-07-2018 07:09 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Your opponent having more time to prepare is not unique to the option though. Yea, them having time off to rest and do nothing but concentrate on nothing but preparing for us is an advantage for sure. But don't throw out the whole "oh you can stop the option with more time to prepare," garbage. They were just ready to play that game more than we were. Simple as that.

Having a good defensive scheme isn't unique to defending the option.

That extended preparation thing didn't work so well for Bowling Green against us, Miss State against Georgia Tech in the Orange Bowl, or Arizona against UNM in 2015. I could go on and try to find bye week examples, but you get the idea.

(11-07-2018 10:37 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 07:09 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Your opponent having more time to prepare is not unique to the option though. Yea, them having time off to rest and do nothing but concentrate on nothing but preparing for us is an advantage for sure. But don't throw out the whole "oh you can stop the option with more time to prepare," garbage. They were just ready to play that game more than we were. Simple as that.

Having a good defensive scheme isn't unique to defending the option.

That extended preparation thing didn't work so well for Bowling Green against us, Miss State against Georgia Tech in the Orange Bowl, or Arizona against UNM in 2015. I could go on and try to find bye week examples, but you get the idea.

ULM game is over so the biggest thing GS must do is learn from our mistakes and move on. To me the blame if it must be placed would be on the coaches. ULM out-coached us and had their players better prepared to exploit our weaknesses.

(11-07-2018 10:47 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:37 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 07:09 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Your opponent having more time to prepare is not unique to the option though. Yea, them having time off to rest and do nothing but concentrate on nothing but preparing for us is an advantage for sure. But don't throw out the whole "oh you can stop the option with more time to prepare," garbage. They were just ready to play that game more than we were. Simple as that.

Having a good defensive scheme isn't unique to defending the option.

That extended preparation thing didn't work so well for Bowling Green against us, Miss State against Georgia Tech in the Orange Bowl, or Arizona against UNM in 2015. I could go on and try to find bye week examples, but you get the idea.

ULM game is over so the biggest thing GS must do is learn from our mistakes and move on. To me the blame if it must be placed would be on the coaches. ULM out-coached us and had their players better prepared to exploit our weaknesses.

Agreed. The ULM game was a systemic failure on all levels on the team.

But we were also probably due for one of those. A first year HC isn't going to get everything right.

I imagine we learned our lesson and we will hopefully not see a repeat.

Hopefully we see a lot more focus and intensity for a good opponent at home.

(11-07-2018 11:16 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:47 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:37 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 07:09 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Your opponent having more time to prepare is not unique to the option though. Yea, them having time off to rest and do nothing but concentrate on nothing but preparing for us is an advantage for sure. But don't throw out the whole "oh you can stop the option with more time to prepare," garbage. They were just ready to play that game more than we were. Simple as that.

Having a good defensive scheme isn't unique to defending the option.

That extended preparation thing didn't work so well for Bowling Green against us, Miss State against Georgia Tech in the Orange Bowl, or Arizona against UNM in 2015. I could go on and try to find bye week examples, but you get the idea.

ULM game is over so the biggest thing GS must do is learn from our mistakes and move on. To me the blame if it must be placed would be on the coaches. ULM out-coached us and had their players better prepared to exploit our weaknesses.

Agreed. The ULM game was a systemic failure on all levels on the team.

But we were also probably due for one of those. A first year HC isn't going to get everything right.

I imagine we learned our lesson and we will hopefully not see a repeat.

Hopefully we see a lot more focus and intensity for a good opponent at home.

Like I said leading up to the App game, Southern's offense without big plays is anemic. If Troy can get a couple of big plays early and jump out to a lead, Southern won't come back.

Troy's offense is probably similar to New Mexico State and ULM but Troy's defense, on most days, is head and shoulders above both of those teams. I'd take the points and an outright win for Troy State in this game.