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RE: 2018-19 Predictions
(05-16-2018 11:44 AM)DrDavis Wrote:  Realistically I see 6 wins. The 6 losses are: Syracuse, Michigan, Georgia St., Ohio, Toledo and N. Illinois

Georgia St and Ohio being the best chances for improvement. 8 - 4 is possible and if this happens we should all be very happy.

I think we could be really in trouble if we don't take care of business on the road early with Ga State and Miami(Oh)... the later being one of the teams I see as making a huge improvement this year... Toledo is always dangerous and NIU at home might be a must win to be bowl eligible... We could easily be a 5 win team this year. With wins over CMU/EMU/BallSt/Delaware and BGSU. That would be miserable... but I wouldn't be surprised...
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RE: 2018-19 Predictions
GSU fast facts:

- Georgia State started with a loss to FCS Tenn State and finished 6-5 in last year's regular season.
- Common opponents: They beat Ball State by 10 and lost to Idaho by 2 TDs.
- They would've almost certainly been 6-6 if their Memphis game wasn't cancelled.
- Still, a big improvement from 3-9 the previous year.
- They defeated 6-6 Western Kentucky in their bowl game.

I don't know how much they return on each side of the ball, so I'm only going off last season's performance.

Indeed, GSU is not a pushover (they are middle of the SunBelt pack, which is roughly aligned with the middle of the MAC's pack). But losing to them, even on the road, would be an ominous sign, especially if we are fully healthy.

Anything less than 2-2 OOC would be a punch to the gut.
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(05-16-2018 01:23 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  GSU fast facts:

- Georgia State started with a loss to FCS Tenn State and finished 6-5 in last year's regular season.
- Common opponents: They beat Ball State by 10 and lost to Idaho by 2 TDs.
- They would've almost certainly been 6-6 if their Memphis game wasn't cancelled.
- Still, a big improvement from 3-9 the previous year.
- They defeated 6-6 Western Kentucky in their bowl game.

I don't know how much they return on each side of the ball, so I'm only going off last season's performance.

Indeed, GSU is not a pushover (they are middle of the SunBelt pack, which is roughly aligned with the middle of the MAC's pack). But losing to them, even on the road, would be an ominous sign, especially if we are fully healthy.

Anything less than 2-2 OOC would be a punch to the gut.

If we start off at 1-3 that will make the road very difficult to get to bowl eligibility. 2-2 sets us up nicely for bowl eligibility, and 3-1 positions us for a T-25 ranking. It’s amazing how much OOC games matter in college football, unlike in basketball where they hardly matter at all as long as you take care of business in conf. Beating cuse would be huge for us.

As far as the roster goes- Defense-I am very skeptical about our interior defense, secondary should be solid tho.
Offense -will be interesting to see how wassink and the receivers have grown since last year. That in my opinion is the biggest thing we have going for us next year, that and Lester has had a year to get into his groove. Also had a very tough schedule last year and I think we were better than 6-6, some miscues late in the season that ended up costing us a bowl game.
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(05-21-2018 02:14 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(05-16-2018 01:23 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  GSU fast facts:

- Georgia State started with a loss to FCS Tenn State and finished 6-5 in last year's regular season.
- Common opponents: They beat Ball State by 10 and lost to Idaho by 2 TDs.
- They would've almost certainly been 6-6 if their Memphis game wasn't cancelled.
- Still, a big improvement from 3-9 the previous year.
- They defeated 6-6 Western Kentucky in their bowl game.

I don't know how much they return on each side of the ball, so I'm only going off last season's performance.

Indeed, GSU is not a pushover (they are middle of the SunBelt pack, which is roughly aligned with the middle of the MAC's pack). But losing to them, even on the road, would be an ominous sign, especially if we are fully healthy.

Anything less than 2-2 OOC would be a punch to the gut.

If we start off at 1-3 that will make the road very difficult to get to bowl eligibility. 2-2 sets us up nicely for bowl eligibility, and 3-1 positions us for a T-25 ranking. It’s amazing how much OOC games matter in college football, unlike in basketball where they hardly matter at all as long as you take care of business in conf. Beating cuse would be huge for us.

As far as the roster goes- Defense-I am very skeptical about our interior defense, secondary should be solid tho.
Offense -will be interesting to see how wassink and the receivers have grown since last year. That in my opinion is the biggest thing we have going for us next year, that and Lester has had a year to get into his groove. Also had a very tough schedule last year and I think we were better than 6-6, some miscues late in the season that ended up costing us a bowl game.
"Lester's groove" is what concerns me. Hopefully he changes his groove this year.
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(05-21-2018 04:07 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 02:14 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(05-16-2018 01:23 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  GSU fast facts:

- Georgia State started with a loss to FCS Tenn State and finished 6-5 in last year's regular season.
- Common opponents: They beat Ball State by 10 and lost to Idaho by 2 TDs.
- They would've almost certainly been 6-6 if their Memphis game wasn't cancelled.
- Still, a big improvement from 3-9 the previous year.
- They defeated 6-6 Western Kentucky in their bowl game.

I don't know how much they return on each side of the ball, so I'm only going off last season's performance.

Indeed, GSU is not a pushover (they are middle of the SunBelt pack, which is roughly aligned with the middle of the MAC's pack). But losing to them, even on the road, would be an ominous sign, especially if we are fully healthy.

Anything less than 2-2 OOC would be a punch to the gut.

If we start off at 1-3 that will make the road very difficult to get to bowl eligibility. 2-2 sets us up nicely for bowl eligibility, and 3-1 positions us for a T-25 ranking. It’s amazing how much OOC games matter in college football, unlike in basketball where they hardly matter at all as long as you take care of business in conf. Beating cuse would be huge for us.

As far as the roster goes- Defense-I am very skeptical about our interior defense, secondary should be solid tho.
Offense -will be interesting to see how wassink and the receivers have grown since last year. That in my opinion is the biggest thing we have going for us next year, that and Lester has had a year to get into his groove. Also had a very tough schedule last year and I think we were better than 6-6, some miscues late in the season that ended up costing us a bowl game.
"Lester's groove" is what concerns me. Hopefully he changes his groove this year.

I honestly don’t know what to expect for this year, I could honestly see us being a MAC contender and then I could also see us being a 5-6 win team. Should be interesting.
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I know it sounds cliche, but it all rests on the head coach.

I like him, he's a good dude and a great recruiter and he loves WMU. I believe he'll put together multiple winning seasons. But my question is: Does he have what it takes to win championships?

His demeanor in a few games last fall really turned me off. He was so lackadaisical during the second half of the CMU game. He lacked fire, and so did the team. The guys were already thinking about the after-party as CMU was racking up TDs in the 4th quarter. And there was no passion at the press conference afterward either. Lester of all people knows the rivalry and should at least display some passion and intensity around the CMU game. But we got nothing. So frustrating.


Anywho...we SHOULD at least have a winning season this year. Coaching staff in its second year, returning QB, 4 of 5 OL returning, all receivers returning, tons of depth at RB, lots of guys coming back from injuries, our secondary should also be really good, plus a more forgiving schedule...no reason not to see an increase in the win column. No excuses.

I will say though, that my biggest concern right now is DL. Lots of young talent, but few playmakers. We really lacked pass rush last year and we're thin at interior DL. No idea what to expect from that unit.
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(05-24-2018 01:15 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I know it sounds cliche, but it all rests on the head coach.

I like him, he's a good dude and a great recruiter and he loves WMU. I believe he'll put together multiple winning seasons. But my question is: Does he have what it takes to win championships?

His demeanor in a few games last fall really turned me off. He was so lackadaisical during the second half of the CMU game. He lacked fire, and so did the team. The guys were already thinking about the after-party as CMU was racking up TDs in the 4th quarter. And there was no passion at the press conference afterward either. Lester of all people knows the rivalry and should at least display some passion and intensity around the CMU game. But we got nothing. So frustrating.


Anywho...we SHOULD at least have a winning season this year. Coaching staff in its second year, returning QB, 4 of 5 OL returning, all receivers returning, tons of depth at RB, lots of guys coming back from injuries, our secondary should also be really good, plus a more forgiving schedule...no reason not to see an increase in the win column. No excuses.

I will say though, that my biggest concern right now is DL. Lots of young talent, but few playmakers. We really lacked pass rush last year and we're thin at interior DL. No idea what to expect from that unit.

I absolutely 100% agree, there is NO reason as to why we shouldn’t be bowl eligible this year. I’m somewhat concerned about our front 7, but very excited about the offense. I don’t see why a 9 win season is all that unattainable, Ohio, Toledo, and NIU all at home.
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I don't know about schedule being "more forgiving."

We open with a P5 team (yes, at home - you do know they beat Clemson last year, right?), play at The Big Hole, and at a dangerous Georgia State team (remember going to Statesboro GA in '15?)

Yes, having OU, NIU, and Toledo at home is favorable. But we have to go to CMU too.
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(05-24-2018 01:15 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I know it sounds cliche, but it all rests on the head coach.

I like him, he's a good dude and a great recruiter and he loves WMU. I believe he'll put together multiple winning seasons. But my question is: Does he have what it takes to win championships?

His demeanor in a few games last fall really turned me off. He was so lackadaisical during the second half of the CMU game. He lacked fire, and so did the team. The guys were already thinking about the after-party as CMU was racking up TDs in the 4th quarter. And there was no passion at the press conference afterward either. Lester of all people knows the rivalry and should at least display some passion and intensity around the CMU game. But we got nothing. So frustrating.


Anywho...we SHOULD at least have a winning season this year. Coaching staff in its second year, returning QB, 4 of 5 OL returning, all receivers returning, tons of depth at RB, lots of guys coming back from injuries, our secondary should also be really good, plus a more forgiving schedule...no reason not to see an increase in the win column. No excuses.

I will say though, that my biggest concern right now is DL. Lots of young talent, but few playmakers. We really lacked pass rush last year and we're thin at interior DL. No idea what to expect from that unit.

A lot here to sort through.

Your observations about perceived behavior and motives of others are interesting, telling even. But let's stick with the objective.

You appear to list the positives in support of your thesis, It's the HC and only the HC. Does he have the fire in the belly I (you) do?"

Return QB had never played a down until last year. He was injured about half way through the season. So his experience is minimal. Better than his back up who has left town? Yes, but still minimal by any metric.

All receivers returning! None of which could or did catch a cold last year. Some did get some experience. Not much (injuries) but some. Couple that with a QB with minimal experience why would you expect them to rise to a level that would be impactful? I'm not suggesting they can't. That is speculative. Based on past performance and current experience I see it difficult to make this a positive that moves the needle. A larger # of receivers but you can only play one at a time at a position so they need to personally beat their opp # to be effective. I say stay tuned.

Lots of RB's most injured and many others injured coming back. If quantity itself mattered then ok. But if they remain injured, are more susceptable to being re-injured than someone who is healthy wouldnt this be more a reason to be cautious as opposed to positive? Until they can walk and then run they havent proven anything yet. Cart in front of the Bronco here.

Plenty of DB's! Again quantity. Some laud Sam Beal. Others question the lauding. Most if not all question the other side. 3 more Jackson's and you can sing and dance but most here question either or both. Justin Tranquille? Proven quality athlete when healthy. Been more injured than not. Therefore not a reason for positivity. This isnt a credit union.

More forgiving schedule? Debatable at best.

No excuses? No relevant facts!

A straw man you just built. What's next, playdo?
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^ What he said.
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I find myself somewhere in the middle of all this.

I tend to agree that this is a more difficult schedule than people think. Syracuse is going to be tough, as is Georgia State on the road. I’d be very happy splitting 1 of those 2 games (obviously depending on how we look in the process).

I also agree that bringing back all our receivers means just about nothing when we struggled in this area last year.

All that being said, it would be considered a huge disappointment in my opinion to not at least win 8-9 games and get a decent bowl game (MAC title game being best-case). But I just have a hard time believing this can happen given what we saw this past season. Very hard to predict what will happen.
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(05-24-2018 05:31 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 01:15 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  I know it sounds cliche, but it all rests on the head coach.

I like him, he's a good dude and a great recruiter and he loves WMU. I believe he'll put together multiple winning seasons. But my question is: Does he have what it takes to win championships?

His demeanor in a few games last fall really turned me off. He was so lackadaisical during the second half of the CMU game. He lacked fire, and so did the team. The guys were already thinking about the after-party as CMU was racking up TDs in the 4th quarter. And there was no passion at the press conference afterward either. Lester of all people knows the rivalry and should at least display some passion and intensity around the CMU game. But we got nothing. So frustrating.


Anywho...we SHOULD at least have a winning season this year. Coaching staff in its second year, returning QB, 4 of 5 OL returning, all receivers returning, tons of depth at RB, lots of guys coming back from injuries, our secondary should also be really good, plus a more forgiving schedule...no reason not to see an increase in the win column. No excuses.

I will say though, that my biggest concern right now is DL. Lots of young talent, but few playmakers. We really lacked pass rush last year and we're thin at interior DL. No idea what to expect from that unit.

A lot here to sort through.

Your observations about perceived behavior and motives of others are interesting, telling even. But let's stick with the objective.

You appear to list the positives in support of your thesis, It's the HC and only the HC. Does he have the fire in the belly I (you) do?"

Return QB had never played a down until last year. He was injured about half way through the season. So his experience is minimal. Better than his back up who has left town? Yes, but still minimal by any metric.

All receivers returning! None of which could or did catch a cold last year. Some did get some experience. Not much (injuries) but some. Couple that with a QB with minimal experience why would you expect them to rise to a level that would be impactful? I'm not suggesting they can't. That is speculative. Based on past performance and current experience I see it difficult to make this a positive that moves the needle. A larger # of receivers but you can only play one at a time at a position so they need to personally beat their opp # to be effective. I say stay tuned.

Lots of RB's most injured and many others injured coming back. If quantity itself mattered then ok. But if they remain injured, are more susceptable to being re-injured than someone who is healthy wouldnt this be more a reason to be cautious as opposed to positive? Until they can walk and then run they havent proven anything yet. Cart in front of the Bronco here.

Plenty of DB's! Again quantity. Some laud Sam Beal. Others question the lauding. Most if not all question the other side. 3 more Jackson's and you can sing and dance but most here question either or both. Justin Tranquille? Proven quality athlete when healthy. Been more injured than not. Therefore not a reason for positivity. This isnt a credit union.

More forgiving schedule? Debatable at best.

No excuses? No relevant facts!

A straw man you just built. What's next, playdo?

When Lester took this job he himself conceded openly that he was walking into a great situation with a team full of highly talented and very experience players, who had proven to be valuable and successful parts of a legendary MAC championship team already. Indeed, the preseason and postseason MAC player awards further corroborated that the team had some of the highest level of talent in school history, and this years preseason awards seem do do more of the same.

What you and MH don't seem to acknowledge is that coaches are the most important part of the team, and deserve the blame and the accolades when the team performs poorly or well. It isn't just about X and O's, it isn't just about preparation, it isn't just about recruiting, it isn't just about motivation, or having brains and guts, a feel for the game or leadership skills in general . It's about all of those things though.

Lester had a loaded team last year. He missed the mark in terms of his first season with the Broncos. I am sure he would tell you the same thing. The gross underperformance in 2017 leads me, and apparently others, to be at least cautious about the prospects for the upcoming year. Nevertheless, this is a tremendous schedule, and if you question that out loud I question whether you are being truly forthright with your assessment. Having NIU and Toledo at home, and winnable games in all but, perhaps, Michigan, with a few softies, is as good as we get around here.

We have solid players coming back, and plenty of experience, with several players still left from the cotton bowl squad. If lack of qb and receiver experience was the excuse last year, it has run out of steam this year. Those guys are now at least a full season under their belt, and were all solid recruits. Coaches will make those players either look good or bad, just as they did last season.

Let's not pretend that this is something that it isn't. If we win Lester and his coaches will have earned the praise which accompanies the same. But likewise, if we don't win enough, proof is in the record.
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Brovol,

Let's start with your last statement.

"Let's not pretend that this is something it isn't."

I submit you have it backward. Let's not pretend it is what you pretend.

Whole season under their belt (the QB's and WR's) you say? Statistically and relevantly incorrect. Not even close. Which QB? What WR's that are suppose to be the difference makers?

"Softies". Other than the sub-division and any basement dwelling MAC team who are they? Softer than NW and U of I from 2 years ago? Hmmm a push at best.

Loaded?

Minus the 5th player taken in the entire NFL draft who had the most pass catching yards in history of college not just WMU.
Minus a 5th year senior who started all 4 years re-writing the record books to be replaced by a lad with out a minute of play and a horde of no names.
Minus a 2nd round NFL draft choice on the O line.

An excuse? Then explain what player(s) at those 2 critical positions who you feel were on par and could/should have filled their shoes?

WR by committee? How convenient. Swing passes? How predictable.

When you can't pass and catch you must run or punt. Run they did. But some here called it predictable. Duh! As a result of what fact? Duh!

Excuse making about bad play calling and not being used right ring hollow. I'm talking specific measurable football talent. Who was going to adequately replace the 5th guy chosen? The long time starting RT. The record setting 4 yr starting QB? Who? We need evidence. We need specific names!

Not knowing Lester personally but observing like others and knowing of some he respects he is pretty consistent. For him to be anything but positive and appreciative would be disingenuous. He did walk into a good situation. There was administrative commitment, some talent and energy from the fan base. He acknowledged that and built on that being true to himself by not drawing attention to himself.

Was HE successful last year? I agree with you that HE knows the season was not as successful as it could. The un-explainable loss to the Zips and the explainable loss to CMU were the differenece of 6-6 and 8-4.

But he never pretended that he had Corey Davis and Zach Terrell to even out the O, shielding the D and eating clock.

To think and then write that at least half the offense that covered for the defense by managing the clock and putting points on the board in '16 is less than crucial takes more than pretending. Much more.
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GBL, is there a bee in your bonnet? Sheesh...

I'm pretty optimistic about this upcoming season. I also have a few reservations as I'm sure everyone does.


I'll just say this...you are what your record says you are. And right now that's a .500 team. If that doesn't go up in year 2, that's a problem.

How many wins do you expect this year?
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(05-24-2018 04:06 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  I don't know about schedule being "more forgiving."

We open with a P5 team (yes, at home - you do know they beat Clemson last year, right?), play at The Big Hole, and at a dangerous Georgia State team (remember going to Statesboro GA in '15?)

Yes, having OU, NIU, and Toledo at home is favorable. But we have to go to CMU too.

I'd rather open at home against Syracuse than on the road @ USC.
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Whats telling is how quickly the older crowd here leaps up to make excuses and lower expectations as soon as someone (quite mildly) challenges the head coach.
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(05-24-2018 08:15 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Whats telling is how quickly the older crowd here leaps up to make excuses and lower expectations as soon as someone (quite mildly) challenges the head coach.

What is telling, regardless of age is the willingness of some to suspend reality by omitting facts in context to support the narrative that makes them feel good about themselves.

Now turn to the mirror, look straight into your own eyes and repeat after yourself, "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, I'm fooling myself.":cloud9:

Go ahead dream weaver.
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(05-24-2018 08:00 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  GBL, is there a bee in your bonnet? Sheesh...

I'm pretty optimistic about this upcoming season. I also have a few reservations as I'm sure everyone does.


I'll just say this...you are what your record says you are. And right now that's a .500 team. If that doesn't go up in year 2, that's a problem.

How many wins do you expect this year?

Have you seen my bonnet? I've been looking high and low for that thing. Thanks for the heads up on the bee. Much appreciated.

I got your point(s) hence my deconstruction of them. You are free to walk each one down and do the same or speak in broad generalities that meander around like a drunken sailor on leave.

A team's record should always be within context. Figures lie and liars figure.
A weather report that simply states the temperature can be statistically accurate and inarguable. But what month was that in? What's the humidity level? Wind direction and speed please? At what elevation are reporting about? Denver? Virginia Beach? Akron?

In context that accurate and undeniable temperature now has the ability to tell more. It may help explain yesterdays or even last weeks weather. It can help in forecasting looking forward. There were and are always variables but in context you get a more accurate reading. More of the relevant data goes even further in clarifying today, yesterday and looking forward.

You need a little more of Dragnets Joe Friday in your assessment and a little less bee keeping. Just the facts man.

Prediction? 7 is the perfect number so I'll say 7. I haven't given it any real thought but I'll join the "wing it" crowd momentarily.

Though I and one other (honestly don't recall who but credit is due) were the ONLY Ones in '16 1/3 of way through stating that running the table was the only logical outcome (for the regular season). Everyone else got alligator arms. Old Noodle Arm was getting wonky. Toledo is a juggernaut. Corey has an ankle. We cant beat NIU anywhere. Watch out for CMU it's a rivalry game. All blankies for those thumb suckers who's self esteem hangs on W-L's. Great theater I might add.
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RE: 2018-19 Predictions
(05-24-2018 08:26 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 08:15 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Whats telling is how quickly the older crowd here leaps up to make excuses and lower expectations as soon as someone (quite mildly) challenges the head coach.

What is telling, regardless of age is the willingness of some to suspend reality by omitting facts in context to support the narrative that makes them feel good about themselves.

Now turn to the mirror, look straight into your own eyes and repeat after yourself, "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, I'm fooling myself.":cloud9:

Go ahead dream weaver.

The truth is the team was riddled by injuries last year and still had at least two games that they were in every position to win and blew. Maybe not the coaching staff's fault; I think most people are willing to wait and see.

Given that pretty decent baseline of 6 wins in a year with way more injuries than normal I think it's pretty reasonable to expect improvement this year. Sorry if you guys perceive that as a personal attack on your boy.
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RE: 2018-19 Predictions
I know this won't be popular but I thought WMU really underachieved last season based on talent. Even though WMU beat EMU, I believe WMU will win at most 5 games. Lester should have gotten more wins out of the talent he had last year.
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