(02-09-2021 11:14 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Hard to say—both of those conferences have a degree of stability in that no wants their schools so no one has a foot out the door (except maybe Howard).

Howard has nowhere to go, either.

Meanwhile, entering the season with the promise of a big-time recruit in Makur Maker and a national TV game with Notre Dame, Howard has cancelled the remainder of its season. Should Maker move on to the NBA, his college career totaled 23 points. The Bison finished 1-4.

https://hubison.com/news/2021/2/9/mens-b...eason.aspx

(02-09-2021 05:27 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 11:14 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Hard to say—both of those conferences have a degree of stability in that no wants their schools so no one has a foot out the door (except maybe Howard).

Howard has nowhere to go, either.

I think Howard has a couple of leagues that would take them just based on prestige. Patriot, SoCon would like to have them, maybe America East. Colonial would be a fit, except that I don't think CAA Football is a fit for Howard.

NEC would fall head over heels for Howard. It's also likely Patriot would take them. Howard could have up to 4-5 options.

(02-09-2021 05:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 05:27 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 11:14 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Hard to say—both of those conferences have a degree of stability in that no wants their schools so no one has a foot out the door (except maybe Howard).

Howard has nowhere to go, either.

I think Howard has a couple of leagues that would take them just based on prestige. Patriot, SoCon would like to have them, maybe America East. Colonial would be a fit, except that I don't think CAA Football is a fit for Howard.

I wouldn't mind Howard in the CAA. Good academic school, good tradition, though they may not be the most competitive school right off the bat. As a bonus, a lot of CAA schools have a ton of alums in the DC area (myself included), so it would be nice to have more of a presence there.

(02-09-2021 11:32 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 05:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 05:27 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(02-09-2021 11:14 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Hard to say—both of those conferences have a degree of stability in that no wants their schools so no one has a foot out the door (except maybe Howard).

Howard has nowhere to go, either.

I think Howard has a couple of leagues that would take them just based on prestige. Patriot, SoCon would like to have them, maybe America East. Colonial would be a fit, except that I don't think CAA Football is a fit for Howard.

I wouldn't mind Howard in the CAA. Good academic school, good tradition, though they may not be the most competitive school right off the bat. As a bonus, a lot of CAA schools have a ton of alums in the DC area (myself included), so it would be nice to have more of a presence there.

I think a Howard & NC Central combo would be on of the few moves the CAA could make that would help

Back to the topic at hand... thoughts on Angelo State as a prospective member of the Southland?

Sounds like they do not want to move to the Southland and Division I, but they also do not want to be left behind in Division II if say A&M - Commerce and West Texas A&M make moves to the Southland and/or WAC...

Do you think Nicholls State and Southeastern Louisiana are going to be excited about the 675, 700 mile commute from their campuses to Angelo State? Sounds pretty exciting, doesn't it? Will Angelo State and Incarnate Word be travel partners since there is only about 3 hr between them? And then Corpus & Houston Baptist can also be travel partners, also three hours between them?

(02-10-2021 12:37 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Back to the topic at hand... thoughts on Angelo State as a prospective member of the Southland?

Sounds like they do not want to move to the Southland and Division I, but they also do not want to be left behind in Division II if say A&M - Commerce and West Texas A&M make moves to the Southland and/or WAC...

Do you think Nicholls State and Southeastern Louisiana are going to be excited about the 675, 700 mile commute from their campuses to Angelo State? Sounds pretty exciting, doesn't it? Will Angelo State and Incarnate Word be travel partners since there is only about 3 hr between them? And then Corpus & Houston Baptist can also be travel partners, also three hours between them?

It seems logical the LA schools will make sure any TX addition is within 8 hours of all of them. They’re going to have a hard time funding flights with their budget situation.

(02-10-2021 12:37 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Back to the topic at hand... thoughts on Angelo State as a prospective member of the Southland?

Sounds like they do not want to move to the Southland and Division I, but they also do not want to be left behind in Division II if say A&M - Commerce and West Texas A&M make moves to the Southland and/or WAC...

Do you think Nicholls State and Southeastern Louisiana are going to be excited about the 675, 700 mile commute from their campuses to Angelo State? Sounds pretty exciting, doesn't it? Will Angelo State and Incarnate Word be travel partners since there is only about 3 hr between them? And then Corpus & Houston Baptist can also be travel partners, also three hours between them?

A&M Commerce and A&M Kingsville are probably ahead of them in line.

Angelo St, Midwestern St, and UTPB are all pretty far from the Southland core.

(02-10-2021 12:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A&M Commerce and A&M Kingsville are probably ahead of them in line.

Angelo St, Midwestern St, and UTPB are all pretty far from the Southland core.

The question becomes - how many institutions does the Southland need to add? If they are at 6 football / 8 overall - is the thought they need to add two FB institutions at minimum?

I can't imagine them adding less than two schools and possibly as many as four schools to really shore up the football schedule, eligibility in sports where they are losing it for automatic bids, etc.

If you are looking at multiple schools, I have got to think Angelo State is a possibility and sure, they can be behind Commerce & Kingsville. Still think if Jon Sharp gets his way, Kingsville and Corpus will merge...

(02-10-2021 12:52 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(02-10-2021 12:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A&M Commerce and A&M Kingsville are probably ahead of them in line.

Angelo St, Midwestern St, and UTPB are all pretty far from the Southland core.

The question becomes - how many institutions does the Southland need to add? If they are at 6 football / 8 overall - is the thought they need to add two FB institutions at minimum?

I can't imagine them adding less than two schools and possibly as many as four schools to really shore up the football schedule, eligibility in sports where they are losing it for automatic bids, etc.

If you are looking at multiple schools, I have got to think Angelo State is a possibility and sure, they can be behind Commerce & Kingsville. Still think if Jon Sharp gets his way, Kingsville and Corpus will merge...

A&M Commerce and A&M Kingsville make the most sense geographically (and both have the facilities) but the whole Kingsville/Corpus Christi merge would screw everything up.

(02-10-2021 01:33 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-10-2021 12:52 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(02-10-2021 12:46 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  A&M Commerce and A&M Kingsville are probably ahead of them in line.

Angelo St, Midwestern St, and UTPB are all pretty far from the Southland core.

The question becomes - how many institutions does the Southland need to add? If they are at 6 football / 8 overall - is the thought they need to add two FB institutions at minimum?

I can't imagine them adding less than two schools and possibly as many as four schools to really shore up the football schedule, eligibility in sports where they are losing it for automatic bids, etc.

If you are looking at multiple schools, I have got to think Angelo State is a possibility and sure, they can be behind Commerce & Kingsville. Still think if Jon Sharp gets his way, Kingsville and Corpus will merge...

A&M Commerce and A&M Kingsville make the most sense geographically (and both have the facilities) but the whole Kingsville/Corpus Christi merge would screw everything up.

How would a merger screw everything up? Sure, it reduces one potential full member, but at least the merged university would likely inherit Kingsville's FB program.

I’m in agreement that Kingsville and Commerce would put the Southland at a stable 10 full/8 fb mark.

If Kingsville and CC merge, they are at 9 full/8 football. At that point you have the flexibility to add a new school with or without football.

(02-10-2021 01:49 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  How would a merger screw everything up? Sure, it reduces one potential full member, but at least the merged university would likely inherit Kingsville's FB program.

I think you need as many full-time members in a tight area as possible. Losing one (even if it means Corpus 'adds football') means you still need!

UT-Tyler added marching band a few years ago. They have been looking to add football as well. Once they moved to D2? They grew really fast They could be a target as well.

I haven't read the entire thread so forgive me if this has been touched on. Given the budget issues facing athletic programs today and the close proximity to the Southland schools vs those in the WAC, it's really hard to understand why these guy would leave. Considering Abilene Christian going it can't be the old private vs public thing. Looking at it from North Carolina this is a real head scratcher.

(02-10-2021 02:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I’m in agreement that Kingsville and Commerce would put the Southland at a stable 10 full/8 fb mark.

If Kingsville and CC merge, they are at 9 full/8 football. At that point you have the flexibility to add a new school with or without football.

At that point you could add Dallas Baptist to get back into Dallas without worrying about football

(02-13-2021 04:47 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  I haven't read the entire thread so forgive me if this has been touched on. Given the budget issues facing athletic programs today and the close proximity to the Southland schools vs those in the WAC, it's really hard to understand why these guy would leave. Considering Abilene Christian going it can't be the old private vs public thing. Looking at it from North Carolina this is a real head scratcher.

Apparently ACU, Lamar, SHSU, and SFA didn’t like being in a conference with Houston Baptist and Incarnate Word. The Louisiana schools in the SLC allegedly have financial issues. They claimed WAC branding and possibly getting a 2nd bid in basketball as reasons for the move, but I find those as fantasy.

There will be division play and the Texas teams are claiming this will be better for them. We will see.

I believe budget shortfalls are very common in Louisiana athletics.
Also won't the wac require more schools for divisional play.

(02-13-2021 06:50 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  I believe budget shortfalls are very common in Louisiana athletics.
Also won't the wac require more schools for divisional play.

1 more, which they’re looking for. Preferably in or around Texas.

(02-10-2021 07:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  UT-Tyler added marching band a few years ago. They have been looking to add football as well. Once they moved to D2? They grew really fast They could be a target as well.

Texas-Tyler has not completed their reclassification from D3 to D2 yet. Adding a marching band means nothing, Texas-Arlington dropped football in 1986 and they still have a very active marching band.