(02-05-2018 05:08 PM)Doglando Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:04 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 04:48 PM)AABearcat Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 04:17 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 04:11 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  i really think you WSU fans are overreacting....when you play in a stronger league you lose more. that's is it. The AAC is bigger, more athletic, and more talented then the MVC and your players are still adjusting to it.

Would you also agree that if you play worse you lose more?

And if you'll agree to that, would you agree that Wichita State is not playing like the top 10 team (#3 just a few weeks ago) it was predicted to be? (Hint: if you can't agree with this I'm forced to toss you in the biased/spiteful crowd pile).


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I will give it to you like I tell my kids, sometimes you get beat. It's not about what you aren't doing but more about what the other guys did.

Example, I played baseball in college, sometimes you face a pitcher that on that day is better, period. It's about what he did, not automatically that I failed as a hitter/player that day. It doesn't mean I suck. It means he won, that day.

It's not always about the loser playing like crap. Sometimes it can be the hitting backdrop on the road and can be tough to adjust too. Maybe it's a crappy night's sleep in the hotel before the game. Maybe it's fatigue of playing multiple games against good teams in a short window of time. Maybe it's a nagging injury, sore arm and so on. Maybe is a combination of multiple factors. Here's one for you, maybe the opponent on that day was flat out better than you?

Fans (short for fanatics) like to simplify things. "We lost" so "we suck". "We just don't look the same, something is wrong". Same with WSU. You have an expectation of how they should play based on what you think you see. A team that was a big fish (and a very good team) in a little pond (MVC). They were in the top 10 3 weeks ago, what happened? Nothing. Same team, just got into conference play. Perhaps if WSU had started the season in conference play, they never would have been in the top 10.

I think reality for you guys is in the middle. You're a really good program, with a good coach and good fan support. Your team has been fun to watch I admit and I think a great addition to the conference. But the reality is you're not and you never have been world beaters. You've made some nice tournament runs of late, but Kentucky or UNC you aren't. WSU will be a factor in the AAC this year and beyond, but probably never the program that can just show up and go undefeated in conference play. Reality.

The whole "we suck" thing because you have 3 losses in conference just seems very mature to me. I'm glad I didn't teach my kids to have that kind of attitude. Sometimes you get beat, go back out and kick their ass next time, move on.

Thanks for taking the time to post. Unfortunately I'm going to have to question your ability to judge a "world beater". You see, we've been watching the Shockers earn the title of National Power for over half a decade now while Cincy fans still revel in their lone Sweet 16 since the turn of the century... and that's while enjoying membership in one of the top basketball conferences in the country... So, what we've done out of the MVC compared to what you've done out of the Big East? Yeah... we're world beaters!

And for the one billionth time... we aren't playing this way due to bad hotel stays or the almighty power of the 7th ranked conference in the land. We're playing this way for internal reasons. Yes, the competition is slightly more difficult but whether or not it would change our W/L record one iota is extremely difficult to substantiate. As crappy as we played, we almost beat Temple. As unbelievable as SMU played we only last by single digits. And Houston? Well... Houston is Houston lol. A normal Shocker team gets back 2 of those 3 losses IMHO.


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Wichita has been to one elite 8 in the last 35 years. chill with this national power stuff

Or 3 Sweet 16’s in the last 12.

(02-05-2018 05:15 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:08 PM)Doglando Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:04 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 04:48 PM)AABearcat Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 04:17 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Would you also agree that if you play worse you lose more?

And if you'll agree to that, would you agree that Wichita State is not playing like the top 10 team (#3 just a few weeks ago) it was predicted to be? (Hint: if you can't agree with this I'm forced to toss you in the biased/spiteful crowd pile).


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I will give it to you like I tell my kids, sometimes you get beat. It's not about what you aren't doing but more about what the other guys did.

Example, I played baseball in college, sometimes you face a pitcher that on that day is better, period. It's about what he did, not automatically that I failed as a hitter/player that day. It doesn't mean I suck. It means he won, that day.

It's not always about the loser playing like crap. Sometimes it can be the hitting backdrop on the road and can be tough to adjust too. Maybe it's a crappy night's sleep in the hotel before the game. Maybe it's fatigue of playing multiple games against good teams in a short window of time. Maybe it's a nagging injury, sore arm and so on. Maybe is a combination of multiple factors. Here's one for you, maybe the opponent on that day was flat out better than you?

Fans (short for fanatics) like to simplify things. "We lost" so "we suck". "We just don't look the same, something is wrong". Same with WSU. You have an expectation of how they should play based on what you think you see. A team that was a big fish (and a very good team) in a little pond (MVC). They were in the top 10 3 weeks ago, what happened? Nothing. Same team, just got into conference play. Perhaps if WSU had started the season in conference play, they never would have been in the top 10.

I think reality for you guys is in the middle. You're a really good program, with a good coach and good fan support. Your team has been fun to watch I admit and I think a great addition to the conference. But the reality is you're not and you never have been world beaters. You've made some nice tournament runs of late, but Kentucky or UNC you aren't. WSU will be a factor in the AAC this year and beyond, but probably never the program that can just show up and go undefeated in conference play. Reality.

The whole "we suck" thing because you have 3 losses in conference just seems very mature to me. I'm glad I didn't teach my kids to have that kind of attitude. Sometimes you get beat, go back out and kick their ass next time, move on.

Thanks for taking the time to post. Unfortunately I'm going to have to question your ability to judge a "world beater". You see, we've been watching the Shockers earn the title of National Power for over half a decade now while Cincy fans still revel in their lone Sweet 16 since the turn of the century... and that's while enjoying membership in one of the top basketball conferences in the country... So, what we've done out of the MVC compared to what you've done out of the Big East? Yeah... we're world beaters!

And for the one billionth time... we aren't playing this way due to bad hotel stays or the almighty power of the 7th ranked conference in the land. We're playing this way for internal reasons. Yes, the competition is slightly more difficult but whether or not it would change our W/L record one iota is extremely difficult to substantiate. As crappy as we played, we almost beat Temple. As unbelievable as SMU played we only last by single digits. And Houston? Well... Houston is Houston lol. A normal Shocker team gets back 2 of those 3 losses IMHO.


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Wichita has been to one elite 8 in the last 35 years. chill with this national power stuff

Or 3 Sweet 16’s in the last 12.

I would categorize that as 'solid program'. National power is delusional

(02-05-2018 05:08 PM)Doglando Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:04 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 04:48 PM)AABearcat Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 04:17 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 04:11 PM)Huskypride Wrote:  i really think you WSU fans are overreacting....when you play in a stronger league you lose more. that's is it. The AAC is bigger, more athletic, and more talented then the MVC and your players are still adjusting to it.

Would you also agree that if you play worse you lose more?

And if you'll agree to that, would you agree that Wichita State is not playing like the top 10 team (#3 just a few weeks ago) it was predicted to be? (Hint: if you can't agree with this I'm forced to toss you in the biased/spiteful crowd pile).


T


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I will give it to you like I tell my kids, sometimes you get beat. It's not about what you aren't doing but more about what the other guys did.

Example, I played baseball in college, sometimes you face a pitcher that on that day is better, period. It's about what he did, not automatically that I failed as a hitter/player that day. It doesn't mean I suck. It means he won, that day.

It's not always about the loser playing like crap. Sometimes it can be the hitting backdrop on the road and can be tough to adjust too. Maybe it's a crappy night's sleep in the hotel before the game. Maybe it's fatigue of playing multiple games against good teams in a short window of time. Maybe it's a nagging injury, sore arm and so on. Maybe is a combination of multiple factors. Here's one for you, maybe the opponent on that day was flat out better than you?

Fans (short for fanatics) like to simplify things. "We lost" so "we suck". "We just don't look the same, something is wrong". Same with WSU. You have an expectation of how they should play based on what you think you see. A team that was a big fish (and a very good team) in a little pond (MVC). They were in the top 10 3 weeks ago, what happened? Nothing. Same team, just got into conference play. Perhaps if WSU had started the season in conference play, they never would have been in the top 10.

I think reality for you guys is in the middle. You're a really good program, with a good coach and good fan support. Your team has been fun to watch I admit and I think a great addition to the conference. But the reality is you're not and you never have been world beaters. You've made some nice tournament runs of late, but Kentucky or UNC you aren't. WSU will be a factor in the AAC this year and beyond, but probably never the program that can just show up and go undefeated in conference play. Reality.

The whole "we suck" thing because you have 3 losses in conference just seems very mature to me. I'm glad I didn't teach my kids to have that kind of attitude. Sometimes you get beat, go back out and kick their ass next time, move on.

Thanks for taking the time to post. Unfortunately I'm going to have to question your ability to judge a "world beater". You see, we've been watching the Shockers earn the title of National Power for over half a decade now while Cincy fans still revel in their lone Sweet 16 since the turn of the century... and that's while enjoying membership in one of the top basketball conferences in the country... So, what we've done out of the MVC compared to what you've done out of the Big East? Yeah... we're world beaters!

And for the one billionth time... we aren't playing this way due to bad hotel stays or the almighty power of the 7th ranked conference in the land. We're playing this way for internal reasons. Yes, the competition is slightly more difficult but whether or not it would change our W/L record one iota is extremely difficult to substantiate. As crappy as we played, we almost beat Temple. As unbelievable as SMU played we only last by single digits. And Houston? Well... Houston is Houston lol. A normal Shocker team gets back 2 of those 3 losses IMHO.


T


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Wichita has been to one elite 8 in the last 35 years. chill with this national power stuff

Oh oh... you really want my National Power quote bomb don't you? Keep it up buster!


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This was the year for WSU to become a current National Power...

But instead the AAC remains a conference of 2 former National Powers.

(02-05-2018 05:40 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  This was the year for WSU to become a current National Power...

But instead the AAC remains a conference of 2 former National Powers and an exposed mid-major

FIFY

(02-05-2018 05:19 PM)Doglando Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:15 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:08 PM)Doglando Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:04 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 04:48 PM)AABearcat Wrote:  I will give it to you like I tell my kids, sometimes you get beat. It's not about what you aren't doing but more about what the other guys did.

Example, I played baseball in college, sometimes you face a pitcher that on that day is better, period. It's about what he did, not automatically that I failed as a hitter/player that day. It doesn't mean I suck. It means he won, that day.

It's not always about the loser playing like crap. Sometimes it can be the hitting backdrop on the road and can be tough to adjust too. Maybe it's a crappy night's sleep in the hotel before the game. Maybe it's fatigue of playing multiple games against good teams in a short window of time. Maybe it's a nagging injury, sore arm and so on. Maybe is a combination of multiple factors. Here's one for you, maybe the opponent on that day was flat out better than you?

Fans (short for fanatics) like to simplify things. "We lost" so "we suck". "We just don't look the same, something is wrong". Same with WSU. You have an expectation of how they should play based on what you think you see. A team that was a big fish (and a very good team) in a little pond (MVC). They were in the top 10 3 weeks ago, what happened? Nothing. Same team, just got into conference play. Perhaps if WSU had started the season in conference play, they never would have been in the top 10.

I think reality for you guys is in the middle. You're a really good program, with a good coach and good fan support. Your team has been fun to watch I admit and I think a great addition to the conference. But the reality is you're not and you never have been world beaters. You've made some nice tournament runs of late, but Kentucky or UNC you aren't. WSU will be a factor in the AAC this year and beyond, but probably never the program that can just show up and go undefeated in conference play. Reality.

The whole "we suck" thing because you have 3 losses in conference just seems very mature to me. I'm glad I didn't teach my kids to have that kind of attitude. Sometimes you get beat, go back out and kick their ass next time, move on.

Thanks for taking the time to post. Unfortunately I'm going to have to question your ability to judge a "world beater". You see, we've been watching the Shockers earn the title of National Power for over half a decade now while Cincy fans still revel in their lone Sweet 16 since the turn of the century... and that's while enjoying membership in one of the top basketball conferences in the country... So, what we've done out of the MVC compared to what you've done out of the Big East? Yeah... we're world beaters!

And for the one billionth time... we aren't playing this way due to bad hotel stays or the almighty power of the 7th ranked conference in the land. We're playing this way for internal reasons. Yes, the competition is slightly more difficult but whether or not it would change our W/L record one iota is extremely difficult to substantiate. As crappy as we played, we almost beat Temple. As unbelievable as SMU played we only last by single digits. And Houston? Well... Houston is Houston lol. A normal Shocker team gets back 2 of those 3 losses IMHO.


T


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Wichita has been to one elite 8 in the last 35 years. chill with this national power stuff

Or 3 Sweet 16’s in the last 12.

I would categorize that as 'solid program'. National power is delusional

You asked for it!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co.../31214251/

Quote:The slate, which was announced Thursday, features the Pirates’ most attractive non-league home game in many years. National power Wichita State comes to the Prudential Center on Dec. 19, a return visit for last year’s trip to Wichita, Kansas.

http://www.wsou.net/news/tenkeystosetonhallgeorgia.cfm

Quote:This is especially important after the Pirates were controlled in their toughest road test by national power Wichita State, 77-68.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html

Quote:The Ramblers finished last season 10-22 overall, 4-14 in the MVC. It was Loyola's first season in the highly competitive Valley, which boasts national power Wichita State.

http://www.csusports.com/sports/mbkb/201...1112vfnq00

Quote:CSU set to open year Friday at national power Wichita State

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/20306...n-position

Quote:Marshall, 51, has built the Shockers program from perpetual mediocrity in the Missouri Valley Conference into a burgeoning national power.

http://appstatesports.com/news/1970/1/1/...print=true

Quote: The home opener versus Southern Conference-rival Davidson, a home date with national-power Wichita State

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ew-league/

Quote:Yes, this move will include all of Wichita State’s sports. But it’s obviously rooted in the school’s desire to play in a better men’s basketball league now that the Shockers have made six straight NCAA Tournaments and established themselves as a national power -- most notably while reaching the 2013 Final Four. They’ve averaged 30.4 wins the past five seasons and advanced in the NCAA Tournament each year.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsunews&p=/top10_hoops/

Quote:Wichita State continued to cement its place as a national power in NCAA men’s basketball in 2015.

http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/.../83501690/

Quote:WE BREAK DOWN HOW WICHITA STATE BECAME A NATIONAL POWER

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...story.html

Quote:Waving signs that applauded their unblemished record, fans packed inside Koch Arena serenaded a senior class led by Early that managed to elevate the program from a solid mid-major into a national power in the midst of a memorable season.

http://theamerican.org/news/2017/4/12/MB...ath=mbball

Quote:But Shockers' coach Gregg Marshall, who arrived at Wichita in 2007, has taken the program to new heights, coaching the Shockers to a 261-90 record (.744) in 11 years. He has reestablished the Shockers as a regional and national power

http://www.kwch.com/content/sports/AAC-W...35851.html

Quote:Wichita State’s basketball program is the bait on the hook. The addition of the Shockers would instantly bolster the American Athletic Conference into one of the elite basketball conferences in the nation. The Shockers resume of success is lined with 13 NCAA tournament appearances. In the past four seasons, head coach Gregg Marshall has architected a 35-1 season, as well as a Final 4 and Sweet 16 appearance. They are no mid-major. They are a nationally relevant program, capable of competing with the Power 5 and they are powerful.

http://www.pjstar.com/article/20151111/SPORTS/151119847

Quote:“Wichita State has raised the profile of the league, but they’ve also raised the bar inside the league,” Elgin said. “Coaches’ compensation has improved, practice facilities have been improved. You can’t really overstate what the rise of the Shockers as a national power means. They’ve kept our league in the national focus. They beat Indiana and Kansas in a weekend last March. And there is enough depth on Gregg Marshall’s roster that the program will be healthy for a long time.”

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20...n-athletic

Quote:Wichita State’s duality as a dominant national program from outside of a power conference is becoming an increasing anomaly. The Shockers may play in the Missouri Valley Conference, but they have a national brand, a consistently packed arena and they pay coach Gregg Marshall well over $3 million per year. Essentially, everything about them aside from their league schedule and the respect from the NCAA selection committee is high-major.

https://dailyegyptian.com/68270/sports/w...ri-valley/

Quote:Wichita State has risen to a national power in some sports, and a conference power in all. In the six sports it holds teams for both men and women — baseball/softball, basketball, cross country, golf, tennis, and track and field — as well as women’s volleyball, the school has collected a total of 51 MVC championships in just the last 10 years.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the...57780.html

Quote:Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall has tried to publicly goad Kansas into agreeing to a home-and-home series for the past couple years to no avail. Kansas coach Bill Self feels his program has nothing to gain by deviating from his longstanding policy of not scheduling the Shockers even as they have ascended from quality mid-major to budding national power.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...o-everyone

Quote:Marshall has elevated his program to the status of national power over the past several years.

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/editorials...02579.html

Quote:In the 1990s, a decade fans would like to erase, it looked as if WSU might never again be a national power, much less a top-25 team.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ampionship

Quote:Marshall's "play angry" mantra and approach have turned Wichita State basketball into a national power with a legitimate opportunity to win the American Athletic Conference in its inaugural season with the league.

I apologize for the delay as I was detained by a long phone call.


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I love my Wichita friends, but I simply cannot buy into the concept of a National Power with zero National Championships.

For what it's worth... I feel really dumb making posts about Wichita State as a National Power right now...

But you simply cannot ignore what's been said or our body of work. We have immense respect nationally and we are looking kind of dumb right now.

Curiously, the teams that have beaten us are not being catapulted into the limelight, rather, our losses are being explained away as an "adjustment period" and/or the team is just not playing defense for some reason.


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(02-05-2018 07:45 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  For what it's worth... I feel really dumb making posts about Wichita State as a National Power right now...

But you simply cannot ignore what's been said or our body of work. We have immense respect nationally and we are looking kind of dumb right now.

Curiously, the teams that have beaten us are not being catapulted into the limelight, rather, our losses are being explained away as an "adjustment period" and/or the team is just not playing defense for some reason.


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One if the talking points the American has is that it doesn't get the respect that it deserves. In football we've been kicking arse for awhile now and we have some pretty good basketball teams. Our fight and now yours by affiliation is to get the conference where it needs to be. And so here we are.

Hibachi State just shows that our league show be give more respect.

(02-05-2018 07:45 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  For what it's worth... I feel really dumb making posts about Wichita State as a National Power right now...

But you simply cannot ignore what's been said or our body of work. We have immense respect nationally and we are looking kind of dumb right now.

Curiously, the teams that have beaten us are not being catapulted into the limelight, rather, our losses are being explained away as an "adjustment period" and/or the team is just not playing defense for some reason.


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What exactly does this mean.

In football if you have 3 - 5 losses you go to a crappy bowl in basketball however 3 - 5 losses still provides you an opportunity to advance and still look like a stud program.

Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and simply learn from your conference defeats and get back on the saddle Shockers.

(02-05-2018 07:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love my Wichita friends, but I simply cannot buy into the concept of a National Power with zero National Championships.

No worries....Nobody else can buy into the concept either. When I think of Wichita State, well to be honest, I've never really had a reason to think of Wichita State. But, their fan sure thinks they're a big deal.

(02-05-2018 09:56 PM)JUSTGOPLAY Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 07:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love my Wichita friends, but I simply cannot buy into the concept of a National Power with zero National Championships.

No worries....Nobody else can buy into the concept either. When I think of Wichita State, well to be honest, I've never really had a reason to think of Wichita State. But, their fan sure thinks they're a big deal.

And WSU fans would generally say the same about our AAC brethren except UCONN because of the four nattys.

(02-05-2018 07:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love my Wichita friends, but I simply cannot buy into the concept of a National Power with zero National Championships.

That's fair.

What about Gonzaga? Mind you, I'm not necessarily comparing WSU to Gonzaga. Just a general question.

(02-05-2018 09:56 PM)JUSTGOPLAY Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 07:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love my Wichita friends, but I simply cannot buy into the concept of a National Power with zero National Championships.

No worries....Nobody else can buy into the concept either. When I think of Wichita State, well to be honest, I've never really had a reason to think of Wichita State. But, their fan sure thinks they're a big deal.

Honestly, I've never thought about Cincinnati since Huggy left and until we joined this conference.

(02-05-2018 07:40 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:19 PM)Doglando Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:15 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:08 PM)Doglando Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:04 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Thanks for taking the time to post. Unfortunately I'm going to have to question your ability to judge a "world beater". You see, we've been watching the Shockers earn the title of National Power for over half a decade now while Cincy fans still revel in their lone Sweet 16 since the turn of the century... and that's while enjoying membership in one of the top basketball conferences in the country... So, what we've done out of the MVC compared to what you've done out of the Big East? Yeah... we're world beaters!

And for the one billionth time... we aren't playing this way due to bad hotel stays or the almighty power of the 7th ranked conference in the land. We're playing this way for internal reasons. Yes, the competition is slightly more difficult but whether or not it would change our W/L record one iota is extremely difficult to substantiate. As crappy as we played, we almost beat Temple. As unbelievable as SMU played we only last by single digits. And Houston? Well... Houston is Houston lol. A normal Shocker team gets back 2 of those 3 losses IMHO.


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Wichita has been to one elite 8 in the last 35 years. chill with this national power stuff

Or 3 Sweet 16’s in the last 12.

I would categorize that as 'solid program'. National power is delusional

You asked for it!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co.../31214251/

Quote:The slate, which was announced Thursday, features the Pirates’ most attractive non-league home game in many years. National power Wichita State comes to the Prudential Center on Dec. 19, a return visit for last year’s trip to Wichita, Kansas.

http://www.wsou.net/news/tenkeystosetonhallgeorgia.cfm

Quote:This is especially important after the Pirates were controlled in their toughest road test by national power Wichita State, 77-68.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html

Quote:The Ramblers finished last season 10-22 overall, 4-14 in the MVC. It was Loyola's first season in the highly competitive Valley, which boasts national power Wichita State.

http://www.csusports.com/sports/mbkb/201...1112vfnq00

Quote:CSU set to open year Friday at national power Wichita State

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/20306...n-position

Quote:Marshall, 51, has built the Shockers program from perpetual mediocrity in the Missouri Valley Conference into a burgeoning national power.

http://appstatesports.com/news/1970/1/1/...print=true

Quote: The home opener versus Southern Conference-rival Davidson, a home date with national-power Wichita State

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ew-league/

Quote:Yes, this move will include all of Wichita State’s sports. But it’s obviously rooted in the school’s desire to play in a better men’s basketball league now that the Shockers have made six straight NCAA Tournaments and established themselves as a national power -- most notably while reaching the 2013 Final Four. They’ve averaged 30.4 wins the past five seasons and advanced in the NCAA Tournament each year.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsunews&p=/top10_hoops/

Quote:Wichita State continued to cement its place as a national power in NCAA men’s basketball in 2015.

http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/.../83501690/

Quote:WE BREAK DOWN HOW WICHITA STATE BECAME A NATIONAL POWER

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...story.html

Quote:Waving signs that applauded their unblemished record, fans packed inside Koch Arena serenaded a senior class led by Early that managed to elevate the program from a solid mid-major into a national power in the midst of a memorable season.

http://theamerican.org/news/2017/4/12/MB...ath=mbball

Quote:But Shockers' coach Gregg Marshall, who arrived at Wichita in 2007, has taken the program to new heights, coaching the Shockers to a 261-90 record (.744) in 11 years. He has reestablished the Shockers as a regional and national power

http://www.kwch.com/content/sports/AAC-W...35851.html

Quote:Wichita State’s basketball program is the bait on the hook. The addition of the Shockers would instantly bolster the American Athletic Conference into one of the elite basketball conferences in the nation. The Shockers resume of success is lined with 13 NCAA tournament appearances. In the past four seasons, head coach Gregg Marshall has architected a 35-1 season, as well as a Final 4 and Sweet 16 appearance. They are no mid-major. They are a nationally relevant program, capable of competing with the Power 5 and they are powerful.

http://www.pjstar.com/article/20151111/SPORTS/151119847

Quote:“Wichita State has raised the profile of the league, but they’ve also raised the bar inside the league,” Elgin said. “Coaches’ compensation has improved, practice facilities have been improved. You can’t really overstate what the rise of the Shockers as a national power means. They’ve kept our league in the national focus. They beat Indiana and Kansas in a weekend last March. And there is enough depth on Gregg Marshall’s roster that the program will be healthy for a long time.”

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20...n-athletic

Quote:Wichita State’s duality as a dominant national program from outside of a power conference is becoming an increasing anomaly. The Shockers may play in the Missouri Valley Conference, but they have a national brand, a consistently packed arena and they pay coach Gregg Marshall well over $3 million per year. Essentially, everything about them aside from their league schedule and the respect from the NCAA selection committee is high-major.

https://dailyegyptian.com/68270/sports/w...ri-valley/

Quote:Wichita State has risen to a national power in some sports, and a conference power in all. In the six sports it holds teams for both men and women — baseball/softball, basketball, cross country, golf, tennis, and track and field — as well as women’s volleyball, the school has collected a total of 51 MVC championships in just the last 10 years.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the...57780.html

Quote:Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall has tried to publicly goad Kansas into agreeing to a home-and-home series for the past couple years to no avail. Kansas coach Bill Self feels his program has nothing to gain by deviating from his longstanding policy of not scheduling the Shockers even as they have ascended from quality mid-major to budding national power.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...o-everyone

Quote:Marshall has elevated his program to the status of national power over the past several years.

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/editorials...02579.html

Quote:In the 1990s, a decade fans would like to erase, it looked as if WSU might never again be a national power, much less a top-25 team.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ampionship

Quote:Marshall's "play angry" mantra and approach have turned Wichita State basketball into a national power with a legitimate opportunity to win the American Athletic Conference in its inaugural season with the league.

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To be honest just about every one of these quotes seems to be referring to Hitachi as a national power in a single season. The context we were referring to was over decades. Sort of like how texas a&m is playing national power auburn on wednesday. The other uses of national power in these quotes were used quite loosely.

(02-05-2018 11:55 PM)Doglando Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 07:40 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:19 PM)Doglando Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:15 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 05:08 PM)Doglando Wrote:  Wichita has been to one elite 8 in the last 35 years. chill with this national power stuff

Or 3 Sweet 16’s in the last 12.

I would categorize that as 'solid program'. National power is delusional

You asked for it!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co.../31214251/

Quote:The slate, which was announced Thursday, features the Pirates’ most attractive non-league home game in many years. National power Wichita State comes to the Prudential Center on Dec. 19, a return visit for last year’s trip to Wichita, Kansas.

http://www.wsou.net/news/tenkeystosetonhallgeorgia.cfm

Quote:This is especially important after the Pirates were controlled in their toughest road test by national power Wichita State, 77-68.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/col...story.html

Quote:The Ramblers finished last season 10-22 overall, 4-14 in the MVC. It was Loyola's first season in the highly competitive Valley, which boasts national power Wichita State.

http://www.csusports.com/sports/mbkb/201...1112vfnq00

Quote:CSU set to open year Friday at national power Wichita State

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/20306...n-position

Quote:Marshall, 51, has built the Shockers program from perpetual mediocrity in the Missouri Valley Conference into a burgeoning national power.

http://appstatesports.com/news/1970/1/1/...print=true

Quote: The home opener versus Southern Conference-rival Davidson, a home date with national-power Wichita State

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ew-league/

Quote:Yes, this move will include all of Wichita State’s sports. But it’s obviously rooted in the school’s desire to play in a better men’s basketball league now that the Shockers have made six straight NCAA Tournaments and established themselves as a national power -- most notably while reaching the 2013 Final Four. They’ve averaged 30.4 wins the past five seasons and advanced in the NCAA Tournament each year.

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=wsunews&p=/top10_hoops/

Quote:Wichita State continued to cement its place as a national power in NCAA men’s basketball in 2015.

http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/.../83501690/

Quote:WE BREAK DOWN HOW WICHITA STATE BECAME A NATIONAL POWER

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/...story.html

Quote:Waving signs that applauded their unblemished record, fans packed inside Koch Arena serenaded a senior class led by Early that managed to elevate the program from a solid mid-major into a national power in the midst of a memorable season.

http://theamerican.org/news/2017/4/12/MB...ath=mbball

Quote:But Shockers' coach Gregg Marshall, who arrived at Wichita in 2007, has taken the program to new heights, coaching the Shockers to a 261-90 record (.744) in 11 years. He has reestablished the Shockers as a regional and national power

http://www.kwch.com/content/sports/AAC-W...35851.html

Quote:Wichita State’s basketball program is the bait on the hook. The addition of the Shockers would instantly bolster the American Athletic Conference into one of the elite basketball conferences in the nation. The Shockers resume of success is lined with 13 NCAA tournament appearances. In the past four seasons, head coach Gregg Marshall has architected a 35-1 season, as well as a Final 4 and Sweet 16 appearance. They are no mid-major. They are a nationally relevant program, capable of competing with the Power 5 and they are powerful.

http://www.pjstar.com/article/20151111/SPORTS/151119847

Quote:“Wichita State has raised the profile of the league, but they’ve also raised the bar inside the league,” Elgin said. “Coaches’ compensation has improved, practice facilities have been improved. You can’t really overstate what the rise of the Shockers as a national power means. They’ve kept our league in the national focus. They beat Indiana and Kansas in a weekend last March. And there is enough depth on Gregg Marshall’s roster that the program will be healthy for a long time.”

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20...n-athletic

Quote:Wichita State’s duality as a dominant national program from outside of a power conference is becoming an increasing anomaly. The Shockers may play in the Missouri Valley Conference, but they have a national brand, a consistently packed arena and they pay coach Gregg Marshall well over $3 million per year. Essentially, everything about them aside from their league schedule and the respect from the NCAA selection committee is high-major.

https://dailyegyptian.com/68270/sports/w...ri-valley/

Quote:Wichita State has risen to a national power in some sports, and a conference power in all. In the six sports it holds teams for both men and women — baseball/softball, basketball, cross country, golf, tennis, and track and field — as well as women’s volleyball, the school has collected a total of 51 MVC championships in just the last 10 years.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the...57780.html

Quote:Wichita State coach Gregg Marshall has tried to publicly goad Kansas into agreeing to a home-and-home series for the past couple years to no avail. Kansas coach Bill Self feels his program has nothing to gain by deviating from his longstanding policy of not scheduling the Shockers even as they have ascended from quality mid-major to budding national power.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketba...o-everyone

Quote:Marshall has elevated his program to the status of national power over the past several years.

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/editorials...02579.html

Quote:In the 1990s, a decade fans would like to erase, it looked as if WSU might never again be a national power, much less a top-25 team.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...ampionship

Quote:Marshall's "play angry" mantra and approach have turned Wichita State basketball into a national power with a legitimate opportunity to win the American Athletic Conference in its inaugural season with the league.

I apologize for the delay as I was detained by a long phone call.


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To be honest just about every one of these quotes seems to be referring to Hitachi as a national power in a single season. The context we were referring to was over decades. Sort of like how texas a&m is playing national power auburn on wednesday. The other uses of national power in these quotes were used quite loosely.

Your context doesn't matter. I'm the one that claimed it, I'm the one that defines it - and defends it (which I just did).

Wichita State is currently a National Power as per the talking heads.

Wichita State is NOT a blue blood and never will be.

Wichita State was also this year's flagship/media darling but I'm afraid that ship has sailed. The pollsters tried to keep us up but we couldn't help ourselves. We just like shitting our pants this year it seems.

P.S. I couldn't in good faith call Cincy this year's flagship now because the media hates them. Cincy is like the anti-media darling.

Hint: there's a reason for that

2nd Hint: yUCk

Gary "the problem" is a good start for gaining hype, but unfortunately not enough.

If you guys get a Final Four this year you can take a big step towards claiming flagship status next season.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...onference/

^^^This is what flagships do for a conference

I'm so embarrassed for what we are doing to ourselves and you guys.


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(02-05-2018 10:32 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 09:56 PM)JUSTGOPLAY Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 07:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love my Wichita friends, but I simply cannot buy into the concept of a National Power with zero National Championships.

No worries....Nobody else can buy into the concept either. When I think of Wichita State, well to be honest, I've never really had a reason to think of Wichita State. But, their fan sure thinks they're a big deal.

Honestly, I've never thought about Cincinnati since Huggy left and until we joined this conference.

we've been well under the radar since the huggs days but it's too long and storied a power to be forgetten completely. no offense wichita, but right now you're a flash in the pan. but it looks like you're cooking up something tasty

(02-05-2018 10:31 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 07:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I love my Wichita friends, but I simply cannot buy into the concept of a National Power with zero National Championships.

That's fair.

What about Gonzaga? Mind you, I'm not necessarily comparing WSU to Gonzaga. Just a general question.

I don't consider Gonzaga to be one either.