(02-05-2018 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 12:47 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wic...07544.html

Mark Adams: “Are they as good defensively as they have been? The answer right now is no. If you’re looking for a common thread in those five losses, here’s what I found: In the Notre Dame loss, Bonzie Colson went for 25. Trae Young went for 29 and 10 assists. Shake Milton went off for 33. Houston’s Rob Gray went for 24. Temple’s Quinton Rose scored 19 (on Thursday). Now that adds up to the other team’s best player averaging 26 points and shooting well over 50 percent. Really since Gregg (Marshall) has been here, that’s typically never happened.

Gary Parrish: “They’re just not good on the defensive end and that’s really surprising. They were top-15 in defensive efficiency last year... I don’t know how to explain why this Wichita State team isn’t better. They’ve got an unbelievable defensive coach and players who have done it before.”

“Does Wichita State look like a top-10 team right now? The answer is no. But if they start guarding a little better, maybe a lot better, then they’re certainly still capable of that. I would be way more concerned if the pieces weren’t in place. But almost all of the pieces that made them really good last year are basically in place. It’s just a matter of doing it.

Rob Dauster: “They’re just not defending all that well and you kind of made the assumption coming into the season that a team coached by Gregg Marshall is going to defend well regardless of what conference and who they were playing. They just haven’t done that. It doesn’t make any sense to me and I can’t figure it out."


Someone stole our defense. Aliens?


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or it wasnt there to begin with..and your stats were inflated from playing scrubs

Stop trolling. The Shox have years of recent tournament success (with the same players) disproving your statement.

P.S. You shouldn't be so surly knowing you had the #6 team in the nation down by 20 - IN THEIR BUILDING! #CoogItAll #CoogPow6r


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(02-05-2018 01:02 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 12:47 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wic...07544.html

Mark Adams: “Are they as good defensively as they have been? The answer right now is no. If you’re looking for a common thread in those five losses, here’s what I found: In the Notre Dame loss, Bonzie Colson went for 25. Trae Young went for 29 and 10 assists. Shake Milton went off for 33. Houston’s Rob Gray went for 24. Temple’s Quinton Rose scored 19 (on Thursday). Now that adds up to the other team’s best player averaging 26 points and shooting well over 50 percent. Really since Gregg (Marshall) has been here, that’s typically never happened.

Gary Parrish: “They’re just not good on the defensive end and that’s really surprising. They were top-15 in defensive efficiency last year... I don’t know how to explain why this Wichita State team isn’t better. They’ve got an unbelievable defensive coach and players who have done it before.”

“Does Wichita State look like a top-10 team right now? The answer is no. But if they start guarding a little better, maybe a lot better, then they’re certainly still capable of that. I would be way more concerned if the pieces weren’t in place. But almost all of the pieces that made them really good last year are basically in place. It’s just a matter of doing it.

Rob Dauster: “They’re just not defending all that well and you kind of made the assumption coming into the season that a team coached by Gregg Marshall is going to defend well regardless of what conference and who they were playing. They just haven’t done that. It doesn’t make any sense to me and I can’t figure it out."


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or it wasnt there to begin with..and your stats were inflated from playing scrubs

Stop trolling. The Shox have years of recent tournament success (with the same players) disproving your statement.

P.S. You shouldn't be so surly knowing you had the #6 team in the nation down by 20 - IN THEIR BUILDING! #CoogItAll #CoogPow6r


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Yet with those same players you are getting owned in this conference. Occam's razor applied, the conference teams as a whole are better than the teams you played in the NCAA.

AAC>NCAA opponents>MVC

CBT, I’ll answer this question and the other one you posed on the 2/4 post (how does beating Tulane compare to beating Wichita)
Unfortunately, the answer to what is wrong with Wichita, will not please you: nothing. Instead, the Shockers have elevated in competition. Would a team in the bottom third of the MVC have wins over top 10 teams? Temple does have those and several other big wins as well as a water-bottle away win against the Bearcats. Wichita is a very good team that is being much more tested than at any other time in their history. How did the win against Tulane compare against Wichita? Beating Tulane was frankly a relief. After two games against I have a lot of admiration for what the Green Wave is doing. They are a tough match up for Temple. As for Wichita, there was the satisfaction of beating a team you’re not supposed to. Especially after the fiasco a Cincinnati, Owls fans did not expect a competitive team. We have the return to your place coming up let’s see what happens.

(02-05-2018 01:13 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 01:02 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 12:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 12:47 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wic...07544.html

Mark Adams: “Are they as good defensively as they have been? The answer right now is no. If you’re looking for a common thread in those five losses, here’s what I found: In the Notre Dame loss, Bonzie Colson went for 25. Trae Young went for 29 and 10 assists. Shake Milton went off for 33. Houston’s Rob Gray went for 24. Temple’s Quinton Rose scored 19 (on Thursday). Now that adds up to the other team’s best player averaging 26 points and shooting well over 50 percent. Really since Gregg (Marshall) has been here, that’s typically never happened.

Gary Parrish: “They’re just not good on the defensive end and that’s really surprising. They were top-15 in defensive efficiency last year... I don’t know how to explain why this Wichita State team isn’t better. They’ve got an unbelievable defensive coach and players who have done it before.”

“Does Wichita State look like a top-10 team right now? The answer is no. But if they start guarding a little better, maybe a lot better, then they’re certainly still capable of that. I would be way more concerned if the pieces weren’t in place. But almost all of the pieces that made them really good last year are basically in place. It’s just a matter of doing it.

Rob Dauster: “They’re just not defending all that well and you kind of made the assumption coming into the season that a team coached by Gregg Marshall is going to defend well regardless of what conference and who they were playing. They just haven’t done that. It doesn’t make any sense to me and I can’t figure it out."


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or it wasnt there to begin with..and your stats were inflated from playing scrubs

Stop trolling. The Shox have years of recent tournament success (with the same players) disproving your statement.

P.S. You shouldn't be so surly knowing you had the #6 team in the nation down by 20 - IN THEIR BUILDING! #CoogItAll #CoogPow6r


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Yet with those same players you are getting owned in this conference. Occam's razor applied, the conference teams as a whole are better than the teams you played in the NCAA.

AAC>NCAA opponents>MVC

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Cold, I doubt you are going to convince these board people that what most of us are seeing is anything but what they wish to see. (WSU failing because their teams are so much greater than any teams the Shockers have earlier faced) I think it might be at least in part due to game after game of better opponents and the apparent lack of a shocker /*get in yore face* leader like FVV. I was encouraged to hear reports that Shaq may be taking a bigger role leading but even that might be too little/too late. You know Coach can't make one of them do the job and Landry just seems too reserved some times. I could more see Kelly or Shaq standing out there getting in someones face more than Landry.

(02-05-2018 01:15 PM)vick mike Wrote:  CBT, I’ll answer this question and the other one you posed on the 2/4 post (how does beating Tulane compare to beating Wichita)
Unfortunately, the answer to what is wrong with Wichita, will not please you: nothing. Instead, the Shockers have elevated in competition. Would a team in the bottom third of the MVC have wins over top 10 teams? Temple does have those and several other big wins as well as a water-bottle away win against the Bearcats. Wichita is a very good team that is being much more tested than at any other time in their history. How did the win against Tulane compare against Wichita? Beating Tulane was frankly a relief. After two games against I have a lot of admiration for what the Green Wave is doing. They are a tough match up for Temple. As for Wichita, there was the satisfaction of beating a team you’re not supposed to. Especially after the fiasco a Cincinnati, Owls fans did not expect a competitive team. We have the return to your place coming up let’s see what happens.

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(02-05-2018 01:20 PM)Windiwu Wrote:  Cold, I doubt you are going to convince these board people that what most of us are seeing is anything but what they wish to see. (WSU failing because their teams are so much greater than any teams the Shockers have earlier faced) I think it might be at least in part due to game after game of better opponents and the apparent lack of a shocker /*get in yore face* leader like FVV. I was encouraged to hear reports that Shaq may be taking a bigger role leading but even that might be too little/too late. You know Coach can't make one of them do the job and Landry just seems too reserved some times. I could more see Kelly or Shaq standing out there getting in someones face more than Landry.

No worries Windi - if I can rescue even one lost sheep from a lifetime of wandering in the wilderness... it will have been worth it.

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The only thing different from last year for wsu is the conference.

You have almost exactly the same players as last year. In fact they should be more skilled, bigger, stronger, faster, with a better understanding of the scheme.


You have the same coach.

You had a similar non-conference schedule and a similar record.

Virtually the only difference is last year you played in the MVC this year you played in the AAC. Already in the first half of the play you have 3x the losses.

It doesn't take an aero engineer to figure out what the problem is. When you make the sweet sixteen as a four conference loss team it'll be even more obvious.

You're welcome for what will be a deeper tourny run and a better prepared team. Thanks for adding at least 1 extra at large bid.

Taking the trolls out of the equation and it's been a fair trade.

But you don't have to believe me here are a bunch of 'experts'


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wic...07544.html

No doubt competition has been different and has had its effects.

However, people keep forgetting and/or dradtically undervaluing the loss of our top two assistant coaches. That’s where scheming, strategizing, and overall defensive play calling has been altered.

Even with the same players.

(02-05-2018 01:36 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  The only thing different from last year for wsu is the conference.

You have almost exactly the same players as last year. In fact they should be more skilled, bigger, stronger, faster, with a better understanding of the scheme.


You have the same coach.

You had a similar non-conference schedule and a similar record.

Virtually the only difference is last year you played in the MVC this year you played in the AAC. Already in the first half of the play you have 3x the losses.

It doesn't take an aero engineer to figure out what the problem is. When you make the sweet sixteen as a four conference loss team it'll be even more obvious.

You're welcome for what will be a deeper tourny run and a better prepared team. Thanks for adding at least 1 extra at large bid.

Taking the trolls out of the equation and it's been a fair trade.

But you don't have to believe me here are a bunch of 'experts'


http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wic...07544.html

And there it is:

AAEB (American Athletic Egocentric Bias) - The tendency of a group to attribute parity within the group as evidence of a competitive advantage relative to outside groups.

Example: On any given night, any team can beat any other team. This league is so ruff and tuff!!! OMFG this league will be so battle-tested by March!!!

Quote:Thanks for adding at least 1 extra at large bid.

There's only one NCAA bid in this conference right now and that's UC... just like the MVC.


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(02-05-2018 01:41 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  No doubt competition has been different and has had its effects.

However, people keep forgetting and/or dradtically undervaluing the loss of our top two assistant coaches. That’s where scheming, strategizing, and overall defensive play calling has been altered.

Even with the same players.

No, actually with experienced players who understand the scheme and concepts will pretty much eliminate that. All these players are doing the same things they have been doing 3 or 4 years. If you had people who were new I would agree, in fact I would say it was the most likely reason. But this is all stuff they have been doing long enough they understand the basis and concepts.

LOL! @ this link. It shows how CB cherry picked the few positives from an unflattering article.

(01-26-2018 04:56 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Where can I get a Shake Milton jersey? Asking for a friend...

No market. Still have an ample supply of Romo jerseys. Six bucks.

(02-05-2018 01:52 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 01:41 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  No doubt competition has been different and has had its effects.

However, people keep forgetting and/or dradtically undervaluing the loss of our top two assistant coaches. That’s where scheming, strategizing, and overall defensive play calling has been altered.

Even with the same players.

No, actually with experienced players who understand the scheme and concepts will pretty much eliminate that. All these players are doing the same things they have been doing 3 or 4 years. If you had people who were new I would agree, in fact I would say it was the most likely reason. But this is all stuff they have been doing long enough they understand the basis and concepts.

On a game by game basis?

Please.

(02-05-2018 02:15 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 01:52 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 01:41 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  No doubt competition has been different and has had its effects.

However, people keep forgetting and/or dradtically undervaluing the loss of our top two assistant coaches. That’s where scheming, strategizing, and overall defensive play calling has been altered.

Even with the same players.

No, actually with experienced players who understand the scheme and concepts will pretty much eliminate that. All these players are doing the same things they have been doing 3 or 4 years. If you had people who were new I would agree, in fact I would say it was the most likely reason. But this is all stuff they have been doing long enough they understand the basis and concepts.

On a game by game basis?

Please.

Yes because they scrap their entire defensive philosophy each game and begin again.

Your in game specifics change but your scheme and overall system do not. If I am playing Cincinnati I leave Jennifer on the perimeter and double down from him.

But if I play man or zone does not change. If I double off screens, trap with my zone does not either. Coaches often scrape defensive game plans because they aren't working but the defensive principles they use don't. Your in game coaching has not changed greatly and you continue to play gritty man to man in your face.

(02-05-2018 01:41 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  No doubt competition has been different and has had its effects.

However, people keep forgetting and/or dradtically undervaluing the loss of our top two assistant coaches. That’s where scheming, strategizing, and overall defensive play calling has been altered.

Even with the same players.

i see this so often on shockernet. this seems to be he #1 excuses wsu fans ..i completely disagree...no coach wins as much as marshall who is dependent on his assistants. have you ever watched a coaching cast (games but have top coaches commenting, they do it for big post season games)..these coaches know there xs and os
in the words of coach cal (who constantly losses assistants)..all great programs should expect to lose their assistants.

i think you guys are over valuing the loss of the assistants coaches..

i was thinking about this the other day (i saw a thread on your forum about if wichita coming to the aac wad bad)...i started to think...if wichita was in the mvc today, you at worst would have 3 losses for the season.. your defensive stats would be amazing.. the best team in the MVC lost by 40 to boise..

if you honestly answer this question (not you cold, you are in denial) : "how would the wichita be doing if they were in the MVC?"..the only honest answer is dominating..you lost to a healthy smu, houston and temple..there isnt a team in the mvc of any of those teams quality

that leads to the next question, "how can you not say its the league knowing if you were in your old league youd be dominating?"

specific answers: more talent in this league on a every game basis (fewer stat padder games), when you play good teams your flaws are more exposed, the more good teams you play the more film there is on how to stop you, demoralization is a great defense (get up 20 and a lot of teams tend to give up..vs mvc opponents)..hard to build confidence in a tough league when players are down (no midseason glorified scrimmages to work out kinks)

(02-05-2018 02:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 01:41 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  No doubt competition has been different and has had its effects.

However, people keep forgetting and/or dradtically undervaluing the loss of our top two assistant coaches. That’s where scheming, strategizing, and overall defensive play calling has been altered.

Even with the same players.

i see this so often on shockernet. this seems to be he #1 excuses wsu fans ..i completely disagree...no coach wins as much as marshall who is dependent on his assistants. have you ever watched a coaching cast (games but have top coaches commenting, they do it for big post season games)..these coaches know there xs and os
in the words of coach cal (who constantly losses assistants)..all great programs should expect to lose their assistants.

i think you guys are over valuing the loss of the assistants coaches..

i was thinking about this the other day (i saw a thread on your forum about if wichita coming to the aac wad bad)...i started to think...if wichita was in the mvc today, you at worst would have 3 losses for the season.. your defensive stats would be amazing.. the best team in the MVC lost by 40 to boise..

if you honestly answer this question (not you cold, you are in denial) : "how would the wichita be doing if they were in the MVC?"..the only honest answer is dominating..you lost to a healthy smu, houston and temple..there isnt a team in the mvc of any of those teams quality

that leads to the next question, "how can you not say its the league knowing if you were in your old league youd be dominating?"

specific answers: more talent in this league on a every game basis (fewer stat padder games), when you play good teams your flaws are more exposed, the more good teams you play the more film there is on how to stop you, demoralization is a great defense (get up 20 and a lot of teams tend to give up..vs mvc opponents)..hard to build confidence in a tough league when players are down (no midseason glorified scrimmages to work out kinks)

You are exactly correct. Assistants are assistants for a reason. Gregg Marshall taught them everything they know. That being said, competent assistants are integral to running a successful organization wouldn't you agree? Gregg is used to having his assistants on the sideline screaming the things he taught them to the players. It's almost as if each coach has a certain group to harp on during the game. Marshall's current staff just sits on the bench and picks their noses.

P.S. You lurk on Sheepnet.net? Man, you are obsessed. I couldn't even begin to tell you where any AAC team boards are located.


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(02-05-2018 02:35 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 02:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 01:41 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  No doubt competition has been different and has had its effects.

However, people keep forgetting and/or dradtically undervaluing the loss of our top two assistant coaches. That’s where scheming, strategizing, and overall defensive play calling has been altered.

Even with the same players.

i see this so often on shockernet. this seems to be he #1 excuses wsu fans ..i completely disagree...no coach wins as much as marshall who is dependent on his assistants. have you ever watched a coaching cast (games but have top coaches commenting, they do it for big post season games)..these coaches know there xs and os
in the words of coach cal (who constantly losses assistants)..all great programs should expect to lose their assistants.

i think you guys are over valuing the loss of the assistants coaches..

i was thinking about this the other day (i saw a thread on your forum about if wichita coming to the aac wad bad)...i started to think...if wichita was in the mvc today, you at worst would have 3 losses for the season.. your defensive stats would be amazing.. the best team in the MVC lost by 40 to boise..

if you honestly answer this question (not you cold, you are in denial) : "how would the wichita be doing if they were in the MVC?"..the only honest answer is dominating..you lost to a healthy smu, houston and temple..there isnt a team in the mvc of any of those teams quality

that leads to the next question, "how can you not say its the league knowing if you were in your old league youd be dominating?"

specific answers: more talent in this league on a every game basis (fewer stat padder games), when you play good teams your flaws are more exposed, the more good teams you play the more film there is on how to stop you, demoralization is a great defense (get up 20 and a lot of teams tend to give up..vs mvc opponents)..hard to build confidence in a tough league when players are down (no midseason glorified scrimmages to work out kinks)

You are exactly correct. Assistants are assistants for a reason. Gregg Marshall taught them everything they know. That being said, competent assistants are integral to running a successful organization wouldn't you agree? Gregg is used to having his assistants on the sideline screaming the things he taught them to the players. It's almost as if each coach has a certain group to harp on during the game. Marshall's current staff just sits on the bench and picks their noses.

P.S. You lurk on Sheepnet.net? Man, you are obsessed. I couldn't even begin to tell you where any AAC team boards are located.


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new conference lesson: whenever a projected great team is having a collpase we go to their home forum and watch the place implode, it hilarious. most of us do it...
you havent been in conference where someone else is projected great so you havent enjoyed the joys of that yet

also i dont think ive seen any other team have their assistants yell at the players.. cronin and sampson yell all the time but i dont ever see their assistant get up...i also think their are ncaa rules against what an assistant can do

Jesus Christ, I said the AAC was obviously a factor.

Our assistants leaving is also a factor.

AAC fans think WSU fans are biased but aren’t giving any wiggle room here.

Gotta love the hypocrisy.

(02-05-2018 02:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 02:35 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 02:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-05-2018 01:41 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  No doubt competition has been different and has had its effects.

However, people keep forgetting and/or dradtically undervaluing the loss of our top two assistant coaches. That’s where scheming, strategizing, and overall defensive play calling has been altered.

Even with the same players.

i see this so often on shockernet. this seems to be he #1 excuses wsu fans ..i completely disagree...no coach wins as much as marshall who is dependent on his assistants. have you ever watched a coaching cast (games but have top coaches commenting, they do it for big post season games)..these coaches know there xs and os
in the words of coach cal (who constantly losses assistants)..all great programs should expect to lose their assistants.

i think you guys are over valuing the loss of the assistants coaches..

i was thinking about this the other day (i saw a thread on your forum about if wichita coming to the aac wad bad)...i started to think...if wichita was in the mvc today, you at worst would have 3 losses for the season.. your defensive stats would be amazing.. the best team in the MVC lost by 40 to boise..

if you honestly answer this question (not you cold, you are in denial) : "how would the wichita be doing if they were in the MVC?"..the only honest answer is dominating..you lost to a healthy smu, houston and temple..there isnt a team in the mvc of any of those teams quality

that leads to the next question, "how can you not say its the league knowing if you were in your old league youd be dominating?"

specific answers: more talent in this league on a every game basis (fewer stat padder games), when you play good teams your flaws are more exposed, the more good teams you play the more film there is on how to stop you, demoralization is a great defense (get up 20 and a lot of teams tend to give up..vs mvc opponents)..hard to build confidence in a tough league when players are down (no midseason glorified scrimmages to work out kinks)

You are exactly correct. Assistants are assistants for a reason. Gregg Marshall taught them everything they know. That being said, competent assistants are integral to running a successful organization wouldn't you agree? Gregg is used to having his assistants on the sideline screaming the things he taught them to the players. It's almost as if each coach has a certain group to harp on during the game. Marshall's current staff just sits on the bench and picks their noses.

P.S. You lurk on Sheepnet.net? Man, you are obsessed. I couldn't even begin to tell you where any AAC team boards are located.


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new conference lesson: whenever a projected great team is having a collpase we go to their home forum and watch the place implode, it hilarious. most of us do it...
you havent been in conference where someone else is projected great so you havent enjoyed the joys of that yet

also i dont think ive seen any other team have their assistants yell at the players.. cronin and sampson yell all the time but i dont ever see their assistant get up...i also think their are ncaa rules against what an assistant can do

Understood. Is it really imploding? I haven't really visited that place since the F4...

Marshall's assistants have screamed their asses off at the players for years. This year everybody has their hands folded like choir boys. Again, I don't know how much merit assistant-gate has, but shouldering the burden of a top 10 program by yourself would be daunting. The thing about Gregg Marshall is that he's a perfectionist and control freak. No matter how much help he has, he's always going to be inches away from every decision. Maybe that's the problem, maybe he's overloaded carrying the world on his shoulders.

One interesting side-note to all of this is the fact that he has continually brought up on several coach's shows and various interviews the need to get some sports psychology help for several Shocker players. Maybe there's something to that because our team has been playing like a collective head case.

In first with: "IT'S BECAUSE THE AAC BROKE YOUR PLAYER'S MINDS!!!11111"




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