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(01-11-2018 06:57 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 06:38 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(01-09-2018 07:38 AM)emu79 Wrote:  For those of you who want alums to be our next coach how about:

http://www.goduquesne.com/sports/m-baskb...42330.html

http://www.goduquesne.com/sports/m-baskb...55571.html

Go get Dambrot! He'll bring the twins with him.

Do you know what Dambrot was making at Akron? What he's making at Duquesne.

I believe Dambrot was the highest paid MAC coach and picked up a very big salary increase.

'Nickle, if I didn't know better I'd say you're dropping me dimes all over the place, helping me make my points.

Dambrot made 600K / year at Akron and now 1M at Duquesne. Where does that leave Akron or EMU?

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/zeise...1703280136

"It is a good first step that they were able to lure Dambrot away by throwing a big money, long-term deal at him. He made $600,000 a year at Akron, and reportedly Duquesne offered him $1 million a year for seven years. That is an extraordinary contact for a school such as Duquesne to hand to a coach, but that’s what it takes to make a quality hire at a coaching graveyard."

Any idea what each of the Thomas twins makes being assistant coaches?
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Though it will never happen as he was already fired as scapegoat for Murphy’s deficiencies, I would enjoy seeing Benny White get a chance to lead this team. He was the main guy who raised team morale, the coach players actually had a relationship with and were motivated by, has great ties to MI and the Detroit area for recruiting, and most of all has the brains to make changes when status quo is not working.


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(01-23-2018 08:36 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Can't be any worse...
http://www.georgiastatesports.com/ViewAr...=211066996

Not bad, but we probably couldn't surpass whatever Geo St is paying him.
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(01-24-2018 01:27 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 08:36 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Can't be any worse...
http://www.georgiastatesports.com/ViewAr...=211066996

Not bad, but we probably couldn't surpass whatever Geo St is paying him.
I'd like to think that an assistant coach at Georgia St makes less than the HC at EMU.
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(01-24-2018 11:48 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(01-24-2018 01:27 AM)holybovine Wrote:  
(01-23-2018 08:36 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Can't be any worse...
http://www.georgiastatesports.com/ViewAr...=211066996

Not bad, but we probably couldn't surpass whatever Geo St is paying him.
I'd like to think that an assistant coach at Georgia St makes less than the HC at EMU.

Sorry, you're right. Thought he was the head coach. I'm a dullard.
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Guys, if you are going to toss out names why not toss out the young, up and coming coaches, not those on the downhill slide?

McCallum was a good HC but after losing his job at Houston and UDM not likely that he'll get another good (mid-major) HC job.

One coach I like, but I wish he were a few years older, is Gerry McNamara at Syracuse.

McNamara played, and shot VERY WELL, including the 3-ball and an excellent free throw shooter. Believe he has an excellent personality or something because he was a legend as a player at Syracuse.

Gerry played in the zone for four years so if he can play it, coach it, etc. then he would seem like an ideal candidate for a zone team.

I'd take him any day over a 55 - 65 year old coach on the downside of his career. P.S. This isn't age bias, but realizing that some coaches had their best days a decade (or more) ago.

I'm making a DISTINCTION between a Ben Braun who is on the down hill side of his career (actually retired) and a Tom Izzo still at his peak. Add Coach K, Roy Williams, etc. as coaches old enough to collect Social Security but are going strong. Also Boeheim at 'Cuse.

To show I'm not making age a criterion, Milton Barnes was on the downhill side of his career after he left EMU. Ditto Jim Boone. Ditto Charles Ramsey.

Downhill can happen at any point and many do not recover and advance their careers.
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(01-26-2018 04:10 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Guys, if you are going to toss out names why not toss out the young, up and coming coaches, not those on the downhill slide?

McCallum was a good HC but after losing his job at Houston and UDM not likely that he'll get another good (mid-major) HC job.

One coach I like, but I wish he were a few years older, is Gerry McNamara at Syracuse.

McNamara played, and shot VERY WELL, including the 3-ball and an excellent free throw shooter. Believe he has an excellent personality or something because he was a legend as a player at Syracuse.

Gerry played in the zone for four years so if he can play it, coach it, etc. then he would seem like an ideal candidate for a zone team.

I'd take him any day over a 55 - 65 year old coach on the downside of his career. P.S. This isn't age bias, but realizing that some coaches had their best days a decade (or more) ago.

I'm making a DISTINCTION between a Ben Braun who is on the down hill side of his career (actually retired) and a Tom Izzo still at his peak. Add Coach K, Roy Williams, etc. as coaches old enough to collect Social Security but are going strong. Also Boeheim at 'Cuse.

To show I'm not making age a criterion, Milton Barnes was on the downhill side of his career after he left EMU. Ditto Jim Boone. Ditto Charles Ramsey.

Downhill can happen at any point and many do not recover and advance their careers.
I would steer clear of any Syracuse coaches or any coach that only plays zone. Been there, done that, need something different.

Here's a guy that ive seen listed as a future HC.

http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-bas...43070.html

Young Belein is also intriguing. Michigan would actually schedule games with us again.
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(01-26-2018 04:48 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 04:10 PM)emu steve Wrote:  Guys, if you are going to toss out names why not toss out the young, up and coming coaches, not those on the downhill slide?

McCallum was a good HC but after losing his job at Houston and UDM not likely that he'll get another good (mid-major) HC job.

One coach I like, but I wish he were a few years older, is Gerry McNamara at Syracuse.

McNamara played, and shot VERY WELL, including the 3-ball and an excellent free throw shooter. Believe he has an excellent personality or something because he was a legend as a player at Syracuse.

Gerry played in the zone for four years so if he can play it, coach it, etc. then he would seem like an ideal candidate for a zone team.

I'd take him any day over a 55 - 65 year old coach on the downside of his career. P.S. This isn't age bias, but realizing that some coaches had their best days a decade (or more) ago.

I'm making a DISTINCTION between a Ben Braun who is on the down hill side of his career (actually retired) and a Tom Izzo still at his peak. Add Coach K, Roy Williams, etc. as coaches old enough to collect Social Security but are going strong. Also Boeheim at 'Cuse.

To show I'm not making age a criterion, Milton Barnes was on the downhill side of his career after he left EMU. Ditto Jim Boone. Ditto Charles Ramsey.

Downhill can happen at any point and many do not recover and advance their careers.
I would steer clear of any Syracuse coaches or any coach that only plays zone. Been there, done that, need something different.

Here's a guy that ive seen listed as a future HC.

http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-bas...43070.html

Young Belein is also intriguing. Michigan would actually schedule games with us again.

I feel the opposite.

One can argue that McNamara has certain attributes that are pluses compared to Murphy:

1). McNamara played the zone at Syracuse. He has a unique understanding of it as both a player and coach. This is not something Murphy can say (or hardly any coach for that matter).

2). I haven't watched McNamara/Syracuse play since those days when he played at Syracuse and they were really good. Although I can't cite the information without reaching out to the Syracuse fan base, I do believe that McNamara has a real winning personality. He is a folk hero in Syracuse. Too often posters pick names, out of a hat (?), not knowing if a coach's personality is dynamic or as exciting as drying paint. Did anyone here know that Creighton had a dynamic personality? I would like a coach who literally would go up in the stands after the game to high 5 the fans.

That is one of the problem with these so-called coaching threads. I read the same stuff as the rest of you and I don't see a section entitled: "personality characteristics." A Mark Dantonio type coach wouldn't work at EMU. CC's big plus isn't Xs and Os, but the strength of his personality and the ability to sell the program and himself. You aren't going to find that information reading pulling names out of the hat (Hint: That is why interviews are SO important. The AD isn't hiring an accountant or an IT worker, but a manager of 100 players + 10 coaches + support staff).

3). McNamara is still youngish, but in time, one can say he is uniquely qualified to be a head coach. I can't think of an assistant coach who can say that he knows the Boeheim zone better than McNamara.

4). I'll always take the best young coach who knows a game philosophy best be it the zone defense, West Coast or triple option offense in football, etc. etc. A coach wins because he can execute his offense/defense better than the other coach can execute his offense/defense. Boeheim won with his system. Bobby Knight won with his. The idea is to pick a system and execute it to perfection.

Since a poster has a Purdue reference (Lutz), can we say that an example of what I'm talking about is Matt Painter at Purdue? Wasn't Painter a Gene Keady player, assistant coach and then HC. Nothing wrong with that...
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I think I have posted some decent candidates the Thomas twins Saudi Washington Dane Fife and Dewayne Stephens are far from ancient
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(01-26-2018 05:25 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I think I have posted some decent candidates the Thomas twins Saudi Washington Dane Fife and Dewayne Stephens are far from ancient

The Thomas twins are not, sorry, MAC HC material. The one at Duquesne isn't even the lead assistant at a moderately successful A-10 school. I don't see the resume items there.

Dane Fife could be a candidate on paper. He checks the boxes. (P.S. did he apply or decline to apply when Murphy got the job?) Although he apparently is after bigger job:

"On March 23, 2017, it was rumored that Fife was close to accepting the head coaching position at Duquesne, but shortly thereafter it was reported that he had declined the position.[17] His name has also been mentioned as a possibility for the vacant head coaching position at his alma mater, Indiana.[18]" (Wikipedia)

So he declined an A-10 job but would take the EMU job at 1/2 or less of the salary. A-10 pays some really good salaries which is why they can cherry pick their head coaches (e.g., a bad program, Duquesne, got the best MAC HC, Dambrot).

"I don't think so..."

Dwayne Stephens is the Assoc. HC at MSU. He'd have to take a big salary cut, I'd guess to come to EMU. This is a question: Is he Izzo's heir apparent?

Correction on Stephens: According to this article in 2016 Stephens made $287K per a FOIA request.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/..._assi.html

Just playing the 'forum game' how much would we need to offer him? 400K? (let's assume he is 300K+ this year).
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(01-26-2018 05:32 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 05:25 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I think I have posted some decent candidates the Thomas twins Saudi Washington Dane Fife and Dewayne Stephens are far from ancient

The Thomas twins are not, sorry, MAC HC material. The one at Duquesne isn't even the lead assistant at a moderately successful A-10 school. I don't see the resume items there.

Dane Fife could be a candidate on paper. He checks the boxes. (P.S. did he apply or decline to apply when Murphy got the job?) Although he apparently is after bigger job:

"On March 23, 2017, it was rumored that Fife was close to accepting the head coaching position at Duquesne, but shortly thereafter it was reported that he had declined the position.[17] His name has also been mentioned as a possibility for the vacant head coaching position at his alma mater, Indiana.[18]" (Wikipedia)

So he declined an A-10 job but would take the EMU job at 1/2 or less of the salary. A-10 pays some really good salaries which is why they can cherry pick their head coaches (e.g., a bad program, Duquesne, got the best MAC HC, Dambrot).

"I don't think so..."

Dwayne Stephens is the Assoc. HC at MSU. He'd have to take a big salary cut, I'd guess to come to EMU. This is a question: Is he Izzo's heir apparent?

Correction on Stephens: According to this article in 2016 Stephens made $287K per a FOIA request.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/..._assi.html

Just playing the 'forum game' how much would we need to offer him? 400K? (let's assume he is 300K+ this year).

And you nominate one coach and is better than all of these? Aren't you playing the sane game? I guess I missed your comments on Saddi Washington I will bet you no matter we hire we will have to pay more than we do now by the way how does the Syracuse assistant coach get paid ?
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Both Thomas's have decent division one assistant coaching experience I have seen worse resumes mentioned here as candidates

Stephens case to be heir apparent wouldbe stronger ifhe left the MSU nest and was a successful head coach on his own like EMU as an example
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(01-26-2018 07:04 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 05:32 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 05:25 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I think I have posted some decent candidates the Thomas twins Saudi Washington Dane Fife and Dewayne Stephens are far from ancient

The Thomas twins are not, sorry, MAC HC material. The one at Duquesne isn't even the lead assistant at a moderately successful A-10 school. I don't see the resume items there.

Dane Fife could be a candidate on paper. He checks the boxes. (P.S. did he apply or decline to apply when Murphy got the job?) Although he apparently is after bigger job:

"On March 23, 2017, it was rumored that Fife was close to accepting the head coaching position at Duquesne, but shortly thereafter it was reported that he had declined the position.[17] His name has also been mentioned as a possibility for the vacant head coaching position at his alma mater, Indiana.[18]" (Wikipedia)

So he declined an A-10 job but would take the EMU job at 1/2 or less of the salary. A-10 pays some really good salaries which is why they can cherry pick their head coaches (e.g., a bad program, Duquesne, got the best MAC HC, Dambrot).

"I don't think so..."

Dwayne Stephens is the Assoc. HC at MSU. He'd have to take a big salary cut, I'd guess to come to EMU. This is a question: Is he Izzo's heir apparent?

Correction on Stephens: According to this article in 2016 Stephens made $287K per a FOIA request.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/..._assi.html

Just playing the 'forum game' how much would we need to offer him? 400K? (let's assume he is 300K+ this year).

And you nominate one coach and is better than all of these? Aren't you playing the sane game? I guess I missed your comments on Saddi Washington I will bet you no matter we hire we will have to pay more than we do now by the way how does the Syracuse assistant coach get paid ?

Saddi Washington? I have no real feelings about him.

In any discussion each person mentioned needs to meet a bunch of criteria such as being a good mid-major MAC candidate, would he come to EMU for say 300K, etc. etc.
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(01-26-2018 10:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 07:04 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 05:32 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 05:25 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I think I have posted some decent candidates the Thomas twins Saudi Washington Dane Fife and Dewayne Stephens are far from ancient

The Thomas twins are not, sorry, MAC HC material. The one at Duquesne isn't even the lead assistant at a moderately successful A-10 school. I don't see the resume items there.

Dane Fife could be a candidate on paper. He checks the boxes. (P.S. did he apply or decline to apply when Murphy got the job?) Although he apparently is after bigger job:

"On March 23, 2017, it was rumored that Fife was close to accepting the head coaching position at Duquesne, but shortly thereafter it was reported that he had declined the position.[17] His name has also been mentioned as a possibility for the vacant head coaching position at his alma mater, Indiana.[18]" (Wikipedia)

So he declined an A-10 job but would take the EMU job at 1/2 or less of the salary. A-10 pays some really good salaries which is why they can cherry pick their head coaches (e.g., a bad program, Duquesne, got the best MAC HC, Dambrot).

"I don't think so..."

Dwayne Stephens is the Assoc. HC at MSU. He'd have to take a big salary cut, I'd guess to come to EMU. This is a question: Is he Izzo's heir apparent?

Correction on Stephens: According to this article in 2016 Stephens made $287K per a FOIA request.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/..._assi.html

Just playing the 'forum game' how much would we need to offer him? 400K? (let's assume he is 300K+ this year).

And you nominate one coach and is better than all of these? Aren't you playing the sane game? I guess I missed your comments on Saddi Washington I will bet you no matter we hire we will have to pay more than we do now by the way how does the Syracuse assistant coach get paid ?

Saddi Washington? I have no real feelings about him.

In any discussion each person mentioned needs to meet a bunch of criteria such as being a good mid-major MAC candidate, would he come to EMU for say 300K, etc. etc.
Washington is probably just as qualified as Stephens, who probably only knows life in the B10. Would he know how to function on a fraction of that budget?
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Steve, stahp with the Syracuse nonsense.
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(01-26-2018 10:46 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 10:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 07:04 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 05:32 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 05:25 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I think I have posted some decent candidates the Thomas twins Saudi Washington Dane Fife and Dewayne Stephens are far from ancient

The Thomas twins are not, sorry, MAC HC material. The one at Duquesne isn't even the lead assistant at a moderately successful A-10 school. I don't see the resume items there.

Dane Fife could be a candidate on paper. He checks the boxes. (P.S. did he apply or decline to apply when Murphy got the job?) Although he apparently is after bigger job:

"On March 23, 2017, it was rumored that Fife was close to accepting the head coaching position at Duquesne, but shortly thereafter it was reported that he had declined the position.[17] His name has also been mentioned as a possibility for the vacant head coaching position at his alma mater, Indiana.[18]" (Wikipedia)

So he declined an A-10 job but would take the EMU job at 1/2 or less of the salary. A-10 pays some really good salaries which is why they can cherry pick their head coaches (e.g., a bad program, Duquesne, got the best MAC HC, Dambrot).

"I don't think so..."

Dwayne Stephens is the Assoc. HC at MSU. He'd have to take a big salary cut, I'd guess to come to EMU. This is a question: Is he Izzo's heir apparent?

Correction on Stephens: According to this article in 2016 Stephens made $287K per a FOIA request.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/..._assi.html

Just playing the 'forum game' how much would we need to offer him? 400K? (let's assume he is 300K+ this year).

And you nominate one coach and is better than all of these? Aren't you playing the sane game? I guess I missed your comments on Saddi Washington I will bet you no matter we hire we will have to pay more than we do now by the way how does the Syracuse assistant coach get paid ?

Saddi Washington? I have no real feelings about him.

In any discussion each person mentioned needs to meet a bunch of criteria such as being a good mid-major MAC candidate, would he come to EMU for say 300K, etc. etc.
Washington is probably just as qualified as Stephens, who probably only knows life in the B10. Would he know how to function on a fraction of that budget?

Washington was an assistant at Oakland for 10 years
Is the Oakland budget bigger than ours?
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Please answer my question on how much the Syracuse assistant you mentioned makes per year?
Thanks

By the way what Midwest recruiting ties does this guy have? All my candidates have recruited Michigan and the Midwest and are known by local coaches
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(01-27-2018 07:09 AM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 10:46 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 10:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 07:04 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 05:32 PM)emu steve Wrote:  The Thomas twins are not, sorry, MAC HC material. The one at Duquesne isn't even the lead assistant at a moderately successful A-10 school. I don't see the resume items there.

Dane Fife could be a candidate on paper. He checks the boxes. (P.S. did he apply or decline to apply when Murphy got the job?) Although he apparently is after bigger job:

"On March 23, 2017, it was rumored that Fife was close to accepting the head coaching position at Duquesne, but shortly thereafter it was reported that he had declined the position.[17] His name has also been mentioned as a possibility for the vacant head coaching position at his alma mater, Indiana.[18]" (Wikipedia)

So he declined an A-10 job but would take the EMU job at 1/2 or less of the salary. A-10 pays some really good salaries which is why they can cherry pick their head coaches (e.g., a bad program, Duquesne, got the best MAC HC, Dambrot).

"I don't think so..."

Dwayne Stephens is the Assoc. HC at MSU. He'd have to take a big salary cut, I'd guess to come to EMU. This is a question: Is he Izzo's heir apparent?

Correction on Stephens: According to this article in 2016 Stephens made $287K per a FOIA request.

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/..._assi.html

Just playing the 'forum game' how much would we need to offer him? 400K? (let's assume he is 300K+ this year).

And you nominate one coach and is better than all of these? Aren't you playing the sane game? I guess I missed your comments on Saddi Washington I will bet you no matter we hire we will have to pay more than we do now by the way how does the Syracuse assistant coach get paid ?

Saddi Washington? I have no real feelings about him.

In any discussion each person mentioned needs to meet a bunch of criteria such as being a good mid-major MAC candidate, would he come to EMU for say 300K, etc. etc.
Washington is probably just as qualified as Stephens, who probably only knows life in the B10. Would he know how to function on a fraction of that budget?

Washington was an assistant at Oakland for 10 years
Is the Oakland budget bigger than ours?

I'll try to find it, but remember, Oakland is one of those universities which puts their big bucks into basketball, NOT FOOTBALL.

I have no idea what Kampe makes and how their MBB program is structured.

Though, anyone who has watched OU basketball knows they draw very well. I assume their program does pretty well financially in terms of revenues vs. expenses (at least compared to ours).

Like they had a near sellout for us, played at Little Caesars vs MSU, probably sell out other games like UDM, etc.
01-27-2018 07:17 AM
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