...feel that it is justified to kill people in the name of said religion...IMHO, that religion should be invalidated in any sane person's mind. I'm not saying that it should be outlawed in the U.S.; however, I think it's sane to call it out for what it really is. IMHO, Islam is in reality a godless cult run by men for the sole purpose of furthering the will of the men in charge of the various denominations within Islam.

I get that the majority of Muslims are probably peaceful people. But when 40%, 30% or even 20% of the people who believe in the religion believes that it is right in the eyes of God to kill in his name - there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself. This sh!t was typical back in the 1400s and earlier. Not today. Islam has way too many artifacts from a bygone era where we should know better. Sadly, the truly pathetic part is that Muslims in the middle ages were MUCH more tolerant and believers in propagating science than the idiots in the ME are today. That is a major problem for today's Muslims to grapple with.

Define "a large number".

There are over 1.8 billion muslims so you believe at your 20% figure that 360 million muslims believe that it is right to kill in the name of allah, you are ******* insane.

(12-11-2017 12:43 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  There are over 1.8 billion muslims so you believe at your 20% figure that 360 million muslims believe that it is right to kill in the name of allah, you are ******* insane.

Well, not saying there are that many that actually attempt to act on the killing, but I suspect there are that many that are "okay" with it when it occurs.....

If 20% of Muslims were okay with killing innocent people, that would almost equal the entire population of the United States.

This is why I think it's stupid to continue the anti Muslim policies that Trump has implemented. Imagine how many more terrorists attacks we would have if that number rose by only a few percentage points.

(12-11-2017 12:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...feel that it is justified to kill people in the name of said religion...IMHO, that religion should be invalidated in any sane person's mind. I'm not saying that it should be outlawed in the U.S.; however, I think it's sane to call it out for what it really is. IMHO, Islam is in reality a godless cult run by men for the sole purpose of furthering the will of the men in charge of the various denominations within Islam.

I get that the majority of Muslims are probably peaceful people. But when 40%, 30% or even 20% of the people who believe in the religion believes that it is right in the eyes of God to kill in his name - there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself. This sh!t was typical back in the 1400s and earlier. Not today. Islam has way too many artifacts from a bygone era where we should know better. Sadly, the truly pathetic part is that Muslims in the middle ages were MUCH more tolerant and believers in propagating science than the idiots in the ME are today. That is a major problem for today's Muslims to grapple with.

There is really no reason whatsoever to allow for muslim immigration. Some of these place up to 20% of them think terrorism is fine and the vast majority are in favor of sharia law. We don't need them here.

(12-11-2017 12:43 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  There are over 1.8 billion muslims so you believe at your 20% figure that 360 million muslims believe that it is right to kill in the name of allah, you are ******* insane.

You are right in that the number above may be overstated for all Muslims in the world. But...there are definitely Muslim regions where sympathies for killing in the name of Allah are high.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/201...the-world/

Quote:More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified.

In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.

Like I said, the majority of Muslims are as concerned as we are. However, the minority of people who do support extremism - or even believe that suicide bombings are justified even if innocents are killed - is pretty high. Even if sympathies across the world range from 50 to 100 million people...still way too high in today's world.

(12-11-2017 01:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 12:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...feel that it is justified to kill people in the name of said religion...IMHO, that religion should be invalidated in any sane person's mind. I'm not saying that it should be outlawed in the U.S.; however, I think it's sane to call it out for what it really is. IMHO, Islam is in reality a godless cult run by men for the sole purpose of furthering the will of the men in charge of the various denominations within Islam.

I get that the majority of Muslims are probably peaceful people. But when 40%, 30% or even 20% of the people who believe in the religion believes that it is right in the eyes of God to kill in his name - there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself. This sh!t was typical back in the 1400s and earlier. Not today. Islam has way too many artifacts from a bygone era where we should know better. Sadly, the truly pathetic part is that Muslims in the middle ages were MUCH more tolerant and believers in propagating science than the idiots in the ME are today. That is a major problem for today's Muslims to grapple with.

There is really no reason whatsoever to allow for muslim immigration. Some of these place up to 20% of them think terrorism is fine and the vast majority are in favor of sharia law. We don't need them here.

Substitute the word "Muslim" for "Jews" and your statement could have come straight from an Adolph Hitler speech.

(12-11-2017 01:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 01:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 12:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...feel that it is justified to kill people in the name of said religion...IMHO, that religion should be invalidated in any sane person's mind. I'm not saying that it should be outlawed in the U.S.; however, I think it's sane to call it out for what it really is. IMHO, Islam is in reality a godless cult run by men for the sole purpose of furthering the will of the men in charge of the various denominations within Islam.

I get that the majority of Muslims are probably peaceful people. But when 40%, 30% or even 20% of the people who believe in the religion believes that it is right in the eyes of God to kill in his name - there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself. This sh!t was typical back in the 1400s and earlier. Not today. Islam has way too many artifacts from a bygone era where we should know better. Sadly, the truly pathetic part is that Muslims in the middle ages were MUCH more tolerant and believers in propagating science than the idiots in the ME are today. That is a major problem for today's Muslims to grapple with.

There is really no reason whatsoever to allow for muslim immigration. Some of these place up to 20% of them think terrorism is fine and the vast majority are in favor of sharia law. We don't need them here.

Substitute the word "Muslim" for "Jews" and your statement could have come straight from an Adolph Hitler speech.

Your statement above is a very lazy comparison. The Jews in Hitler's time were used as a scapegoat to explain away the misery caused by a world wide depression plus the ridiculous payment terms of the Treaty of Versailles. The Jews in Nazi Germany in the 30s were not carrying out suicide bombings, carrying out Jihads nor were trying to take over Germany to make it a "Jewish State". The Muslim terrorist groups we are talking about today - contrary to the German Jews of the 1930s - are trying to conquer territory to create Muslim Caliphates. BIG DIFFERENCE

(12-11-2017 02:09 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 01:39 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 01:09 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 12:32 PM)miko33 Wrote:  ...feel that it is justified to kill people in the name of said religion...IMHO, that religion should be invalidated in any sane person's mind. I'm not saying that it should be outlawed in the U.S.; however, I think it's sane to call it out for what it really is. IMHO, Islam is in reality a godless cult run by men for the sole purpose of furthering the will of the men in charge of the various denominations within Islam.

I get that the majority of Muslims are probably peaceful people. But when 40%, 30% or even 20% of the people who believe in the religion believes that it is right in the eyes of God to kill in his name - there is a fundamental problem with the religion itself. This sh!t was typical back in the 1400s and earlier. Not today. Islam has way too many artifacts from a bygone era where we should know better. Sadly, the truly pathetic part is that Muslims in the middle ages were MUCH more tolerant and believers in propagating science than the idiots in the ME are today. That is a major problem for today's Muslims to grapple with.

There is really no reason whatsoever to allow for muslim immigration. Some of these place up to 20% of them think terrorism is fine and the vast majority are in favor of sharia law. We don't need them here.

Substitute the word "Muslim" for "Jews" and your statement could have come straight from an Adolph Hitler speech.

Your statement above is a very lazy comparison. The Jews in Hitler's time were used as a scapegoat to explain away the misery caused by a world wide depression plus the ridiculous payment terms of the Treaty of Versailles. The Jews in Nazi Germany in the 30s were not carrying out suicide bombings, carrying out Jihads nor were trying to take over Germany to make it a "Jewish State". The Muslim terrorist groups we are talking about today - contrary to the German Jews of the 1930s - are trying to conquer territory to create Muslim Caliphates. BIG DIFFERENCE

But you are talking about banning a group of people that numbers 1.8 billion because of the actions of a few people.

That isn't right.

(12-11-2017 12:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Define "a large number".

http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/conc...remism-10/

I am simply at a point now that I believe anyone who defends Islam as it is currently constituted is an apologist for terrorism and violence.

It's a political issue more than a religious one in my opinion.

(12-11-2017 12:43 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  There are over 1.8 billion muslims so you believe at your 20% figure that 360 million muslims believe that it is right to kill in the name of allah, you are ******* insane.

Given the polls, I don't think 20% is ****** insane. It might be high, but it's not insane.

What do you think the number is? 10%? That's still 180mm Muslims.
How about 5%? That's still 90mm.

No matter how you shake it, its a HELL of a lot of people who think that killing innocent people is 'okay'.... and relatively speaking, the US is still fairly lightly populated

That says nothing about my opinion on whether that religion should be invalidated etc.... but certain aspects of such religions should be rooted out.... MOSTLY by the other 1.7byn Muslims, but for some reason, they can't/won't/won't let us/vocally help us.

If the leaders of all these Islamic nations actually disavowed such actions, we would see fewer of them because those who disagree would out themselves and those leaders would deal with them. I'm not talking about protests or beliefs or whatever, but actions leading to deaths.

Remember all the deaths that were supposed to happen in the US because of Trump? While outrageous, where is ANY such concern in those other countries?

What percentage of the white or Christian population in the US similarly thinks killing innocent black people is okay (or vice versa)?

I'm betting it's a fraction of 1% of either group.

(12-11-2017 02:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's a political issue more than a religious one in my opinion.

You can say that, but religion is the vehicle that those "politicians" use to get young muslims to strap on a bomb vest and push the button. They likely wouldn't do it if those leaders said "Hey, go commit a suicide bombing to I can gain more power/gain control of more land!!"

If you were to ask Christians if they would resort to violence to defend the religion, I bet you'd get the same numbers.

(12-11-2017 03:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  If you were to ask Christians if they would resort to violence to defend the religion, I bet you'd get the same numbers.

None of these Muslim extremist groups are defending their faith. What they are doing is trying to expand their power/influence.

(12-11-2017 03:22 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  If you were to ask Christians if they would resort to violence to defend the religion, I bet you'd get the same numbers.

None of these Muslim extremist groups are defending their faith. What they are doing is trying to expand their power/influence.

I have no doubt but that isn't what the questions was.

The question was whether or not you would resort to violence to defend the faith.

(12-11-2017 03:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  If you were to ask Christians if they would resort to violence to defend the religion, I bet you'd get the same numbers.

so if you'd ask Christians a different question, you'd get the same answer?

That's reasonable.... not.

There is close to zero evidence to support your claim. When is the last time a Christian detonated a suicide bomb and 20^ of Christians ANYWHERE said it was okay??

(12-11-2017 03:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-11-2017 03:20 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  If you were to ask Christians if they would resort to violence to defend the religion, I bet you'd get the same numbers.

so if you'd ask Christians a different question, you'd get the same answer?

That's reasonable.... not.

There is close to zero evidence to support your claim. When is the last time a Christian detonated a suicide bomb and 20^ of Christians ANYWHERE said it was okay??

Christians might not do a suicide bomb but that was only part of the question. The other part was an act of violence.