(11-26-2017 03:06 AM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 01:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 12:54 AM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 12:39 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 11:37 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Everything I am hearing is that AState will take App's spot in Montgomery this year, and App/Troy will go to either Mobile Or New Orleans depending upon who the MAC opponent in Mobile is. (App won't play Toledo if they go there, Troy won't play Ohio or Akron). CUSA opponent for New Orleans is very much in the air because of their weird rules where the champs get to choose their bowl slot.

Georgia State to Orlando is a virtual lock at this point. There could be some maneuvering with the first 3 bowls depending upon this weeks results. An App State loss could throw a lot of things into chaos. I'm not sure Troy/AState can change anything unless the result is lopsided in one direction.

As of Monday. NOLA wanted App if they win out, Troy if they won out and App didn't, and A-State if App lost and A-State won out, Mobile wanted Troy, Montgomery A-State, Orlando was debating App and Georgia State and Tucson hoping for NMSU.

For NMSU, our chancellor said that we may have to decline a bowl invite depending on how far away it will be. If we do make it to a bowl game, our best bet would be the Arizona Bowl.

If you guys had to turn down your first bowl game since the stone ages because of finances it would be tragic, and also a sign that maybe you guys shouldn't be playing FBS football.

NMSU will not decline a bowl invite. Our president was talking out of his butt last week.

They do that someallthe time

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(11-26-2017 07:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 05:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  If I am Toledo's AD i chose as follows.
1. Detroit vs. ACC (1 hour drive from Campus and oppo to blow the doors off a P5).
2. Frisco vs. AAC (this one isnt a tie in but possibly a shifted around game where Toledo could play a respectable Houston or SMU in a different destination.
3. Mobile. We love it there...15 hour drive. Troy is the only opponent in the cards for us though.
4. Bad boy Mowers bowl somewhere in florida. (Just because Florida? This one is a backup agreement. But opponent would likely be a bad CUSA team, so Buffalo or WMU would bite that bullet. Marshall is someone intriguing as an ex MAC.
5. Idaho Potato Bowl... This game will feature Fresno State, CSU, Boise State or Wyoming. Toledo played Fresno last year and will again next year so this game doesnt seem in the cards for us. No one can travel to Boise anyways.
6. Montgomery would be nice if I was CMU or NIU because proximity (yes Alabama is our closest guaranteed tie in ) . No SBC team besides Troy would we play and like i said before... That game would be played in Mobile.

This is no slight on stAte or App... Just going on too much familiarity, we wont see either until 2018 at soonest.

Yes, but in order to get into Detroit or Frisco, you have to convince Mobile that despite having not taken the MAC Champ the last several years, they should not take them this year either

Good luck with that...

NIU or CMU would also LOVE to represent the MAC and Toledo could act dis interested and pass on the game... ultimately knowing they have the Frisco or Detroit bowl locked. For example... Florida State could play in Detroit. The MAC wouldnt want anyone other than Toledo repping against that big of a name in Detroit.

But if its Duke or something? CMU or WMU may just go because its close and the gate receipts will be large. Plus... Duke win or lose is a meh opponent nationally.

You can convey that you would rather go to another bowl, but you can't pass on it. Pass on Mobile at your own peril. CUSA lost that bowl years back because they'd work to put their better teams in other games.

(11-26-2017 08:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 07:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 05:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  If I am Toledo's AD i chose as follows.
1. Detroit vs. ACC (1 hour drive from Campus and oppo to blow the doors off a P5).
2. Frisco vs. AAC (this one isnt a tie in but possibly a shifted around game where Toledo could play a respectable Houston or SMU in a different destination.
3. Mobile. We love it there...15 hour drive. Troy is the only opponent in the cards for us though.
4. Bad boy Mowers bowl somewhere in florida. (Just because Florida? This one is a backup agreement. But opponent would likely be a bad CUSA team, so Buffalo or WMU would bite that bullet. Marshall is someone intriguing as an ex MAC.
5. Idaho Potato Bowl... This game will feature Fresno State, CSU, Boise State or Wyoming. Toledo played Fresno last year and will again next year so this game doesnt seem in the cards for us. No one can travel to Boise anyways.
6. Montgomery would be nice if I was CMU or NIU because proximity (yes Alabama is our closest guaranteed tie in ) . No SBC team besides Troy would we play and like i said before... That game would be played in Mobile.

This is no slight on stAte or App... Just going on too much familiarity, we wont see either until 2018 at soonest.

Yes, but in order to get into Detroit or Frisco, you have to convince Mobile that despite having not taken the MAC Champ the last several years, they should not take them this year either

Good luck with that...

NIU or CMU would also LOVE to represent the MAC and Toledo could act dis interested and pass on the game... ultimately knowing they have the Frisco or Detroit bowl locked. For example... Florida State could play in Detroit. The MAC wouldnt want anyone other than Toledo repping against that big of a name in Detroit.

But if its Duke or something? CMU or WMU may just go because its close and the gate receipts will be large. Plus... Duke win or lose is a meh opponent nationally.

You can convey that you would rather go to another bowl, but you can't pass on it. Pass on Mobile at your own peril. CUSA lost that bowl years back because they'd work to put their better teams in other games.

? What ? We passed in 2015 and was awarded with #21 Temple in Boca and whooped their behinds. Just dont be stupid and not have a plan for another game when you decline.

Montgomery
Arkansas State

Mobile
App State

New Orleans
Troy

Orlando
Georgia State or Louisiana

Arizona
*New Mexico State or Louisiana

* If both New Mexico State and Louisiana lose Saturday the Sunbelt will lose the tie-in this year.
* if one team loses and the other one wins obviously the team that wins Saturday goes

** dooms day scenario!!! If both teams win Saturday it would not surprise me if Louisiana goes to Arizona and New Mexico State is left out! Due to the fact that New Mexico state will lose affiliation with the Sunbelt next season. The Cure make pick Louisiana and send Georgia state to Arizona. Under this scenario as well!

You can take these projections to the bank! They’re pretty much a done deal!

(11-26-2017 09:34 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 08:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 07:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 05:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  If I am Toledo's AD i chose as follows.
1. Detroit vs. ACC (1 hour drive from Campus and oppo to blow the doors off a P5).
2. Frisco vs. AAC (this one isnt a tie in but possibly a shifted around game where Toledo could play a respectable Houston or SMU in a different destination.
3. Mobile. We love it there...15 hour drive. Troy is the only opponent in the cards for us though.
4. Bad boy Mowers bowl somewhere in florida. (Just because Florida? This one is a backup agreement. But opponent would likely be a bad CUSA team, so Buffalo or WMU would bite that bullet. Marshall is someone intriguing as an ex MAC.
5. Idaho Potato Bowl... This game will feature Fresno State, CSU, Boise State or Wyoming. Toledo played Fresno last year and will again next year so this game doesnt seem in the cards for us. No one can travel to Boise anyways.
6. Montgomery would be nice if I was CMU or NIU because proximity (yes Alabama is our closest guaranteed tie in ) . No SBC team besides Troy would we play and like i said before... That game would be played in Mobile.

This is no slight on stAte or App... Just going on too much familiarity, we wont see either until 2018 at soonest.

Yes, but in order to get into Detroit or Frisco, you have to convince Mobile that despite having not taken the MAC Champ the last several years, they should not take them this year either

Good luck with that...

NIU or CMU would also LOVE to represent the MAC and Toledo could act dis interested and pass on the game... ultimately knowing they have the Frisco or Detroit bowl locked. For example... Florida State could play in Detroit. The MAC wouldnt want anyone other than Toledo repping against that big of a name in Detroit.

But if its Duke or something? CMU or WMU may just go because its close and the gate receipts will be large. Plus... Duke win or lose is a meh opponent nationally.

You can convey that you would rather go to another bowl, but you can't pass on it. Pass on Mobile at your own peril. CUSA lost that bowl years back because they'd work to put their better teams in other games.

? What ? We passed in 2015 and was awarded with #21 Temple in Boca and whooped their behinds. Just dont be stupid and not have a plan for another game when you decline.

Toledo didn't decline Mobile. ESPN wanted to set up a matchup of Toledo and then AAC Champ Temple. To do that, they needed Mobile to release Toledo and allow Bowling Green to play Georgia Southern in Mobile instead. Since Toledo had just been to Mobile the previous season, the bowl was willing to make a deal.

You don't actually decline bowls and live to tell the tale. You make known what you would prefer, and hope the conference and ESPN work to get you where you want. Mobile has 1st pick for the MAC. They aren't just going to give it up willingly for a 3rd straight year.

There are many times in which you end up where you don't want, and its up to the school to advertise it to fans and make the best of it.

(11-26-2017 10:16 PM)Artemis Silver Bow Wrote:  Montgomery
Arkansas State

Mobile
App State

New Orleans
Troy

Orlando
Georgia State or Louisiana

Arizona
*New Mexico State or Louisiana

* If both New Mexico State and Louisiana lose Saturday the Sunbelt will lose the tie-in this year.
* if one team loses and the other one wins obviously the team that wins Saturday goes

** dooms day scenario!!! If both teams win Saturday it would not surprise me if Louisiana goes to Arizona and New Mexico State is left out! Due to the fact that New Mexico state will lose affiliation with the Sunbelt next season. The Cure make pick Louisiana and send Georgia state to Arizona. Under this scenario as well!

You can take these projections to the bank! They’re pretty much a done deal!

I hope you are right about us.

(11-26-2017 10:26 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:16 PM)Artemis Silver Bow Wrote:  Montgomery
Arkansas State

Mobile
App State

New Orleans
Troy

Orlando
Georgia State or Louisiana

Arizona
*New Mexico State or Louisiana

* If both New Mexico State and Louisiana lose Saturday the Sunbelt will lose the tie-in this year.
* if one team loses and the other one wins obviously the team that wins Saturday goes

** dooms day scenario!!! If both teams win Saturday it would not surprise me if Louisiana goes to Arizona and New Mexico State is left out! Due to the fact that New Mexico state will lose affiliation with the Sunbelt next season. The Cure make pick Louisiana and send Georgia state to Arizona. Under this scenario as well!

You can take these projections to the bank! They’re pretty much a done deal!

I hope you are right about us.

The top three Sunbelt teams are getting ESPN bowl games that’s a guarantee!

Troy/ New Orleans
Arkansas State/ Montgomery
Appalacian State/ Mobile

They are a lock and they’ll be announcing them Sunday.

(11-26-2017 10:52 PM)Artemis Silver Bow Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:26 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:16 PM)Artemis Silver Bow Wrote:  Montgomery
Arkansas State

Mobile
App State

New Orleans
Troy

Orlando
Georgia State or Louisiana

Arizona
*New Mexico State or Louisiana

* If both New Mexico State and Louisiana lose Saturday the Sunbelt will lose the tie-in this year.
* if one team loses and the other one wins obviously the team that wins Saturday goes

** dooms day scenario!!! If both teams win Saturday it would not surprise me if Louisiana goes to Arizona and New Mexico State is left out! Due to the fact that New Mexico state will lose affiliation with the Sunbelt next season. The Cure make pick Louisiana and send Georgia state to Arizona. Under this scenario as well!

You can take these projections to the bank! They’re pretty much a done deal!

I hope you are right about us.

The top three Sunbelt teams are getting ESPN bowl games that’s a guarantee!

Troy/ New Orleans
Arkansas State/ Montgomery
Appalacian State/ Mobile

They are a lock and they’ll be announcing them Sunday.

There will still potentially be some swapping in locations for the top 3 teams based on this weeks result

None of that is locked down at all. ESPN still has a lot of say in this.

(11-26-2017 10:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:34 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 08:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 07:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Yes, but in order to get into Detroit or Frisco, you have to convince Mobile that despite having not taken the MAC Champ the last several years, they should not take them this year either

Good luck with that...

NIU or CMU would also LOVE to represent the MAC and Toledo could act dis interested and pass on the game... ultimately knowing they have the Frisco or Detroit bowl locked. For example... Florida State could play in Detroit. The MAC wouldnt want anyone other than Toledo repping against that big of a name in Detroit.

But if its Duke or something? CMU or WMU may just go because its close and the gate receipts will be large. Plus... Duke win or lose is a meh opponent nationally.

You can convey that you would rather go to another bowl, but you can't pass on it. Pass on Mobile at your own peril. CUSA lost that bowl years back because they'd work to put their better teams in other games.

? What ? We passed in 2015 and was awarded with #21 Temple in Boca and whooped their behinds. Just dont be stupid and not have a plan for another game when you decline.

Toledo didn't decline Mobile. ESPN wanted to set up a matchup of Toledo and then AAC Champ Temple. To do that, they needed Mobile to release Toledo and allow Bowling Green to play Georgia Southern in Mobile instead. Since Toledo had just been to Mobile the previous season, the bowl was willing to make a deal.

You don't actually decline bowls and live to tell the tale. You make known what you would prefer, and hope the conference and ESPN work to get you where you want. Mobile has 1st pick for the MAC. They aren't just going to give it up willingly for a 3rd straight year.

There are many times in which you end up where you don't want, and its up to the school to advertise it to fans and make the best of it.

Lol ? Okay so we tell ESPN we want a better opponent than Troy and Mobile and they do it for us. Either way, that option will be on the table for 11-2 Toledo. Thats the exact same thing as declining or passing on a certain bowl. Not every team can do it because there isnt a line of bowls for most teams, but some get that virtue year to year. Troy may have that option too... They could very well talk to ESPN and discuss a game in NO vs 6-6 La Tech or Mobile against 11-2 Toledo.

(11-26-2017 11:17 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:34 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 08:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 07:27 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  NIU or CMU would also LOVE to represent the MAC and Toledo could act dis interested and pass on the game... ultimately knowing they have the Frisco or Detroit bowl locked. For example... Florida State could play in Detroit. The MAC wouldnt want anyone other than Toledo repping against that big of a name in Detroit.

But if its Duke or something? CMU or WMU may just go because its close and the gate receipts will be large. Plus... Duke win or lose is a meh opponent nationally.

You can convey that you would rather go to another bowl, but you can't pass on it. Pass on Mobile at your own peril. CUSA lost that bowl years back because they'd work to put their better teams in other games.

? What ? We passed in 2015 and was awarded with #21 Temple in Boca and whooped their behinds. Just dont be stupid and not have a plan for another game when you decline.

Toledo didn't decline Mobile. ESPN wanted to set up a matchup of Toledo and then AAC Champ Temple. To do that, they needed Mobile to release Toledo and allow Bowling Green to play Georgia Southern in Mobile instead. Since Toledo had just been to Mobile the previous season, the bowl was willing to make a deal.

You don't actually decline bowls and live to tell the tale. You make known what you would prefer, and hope the conference and ESPN work to get you where you want. Mobile has 1st pick for the MAC. They aren't just going to give it up willingly for a 3rd straight year.

There are many times in which you end up where you don't want, and its up to the school to advertise it to fans and make the best of it.

Lol ? Okay so we tell ESPN we want a better opponent than Troy and Mobile and they do it for us. Either way, that option will be on the table for 11-2 Toledo. Thats the exact same thing as declining or passing on a certain bowl. Not every team can do it because there isnt a line of bowls for most teams, but some get that virtue year to year. Troy may have that option too... They could very well talk to ESPN and discuss a game in NO vs 6-6 La Tech or Mobile against 11-2 Toledo.

Well, you tell ESPN and they may do it for you, and the bowl may agree to release you. It's not a sure thing.

Remember, you could do all that and Mobile could easily say no and take you anyway.

(11-26-2017 10:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Toledo didn't decline Mobile. ESPN wanted to set up a matchup of Toledo and then AAC Champ Temple. To do that, they needed Mobile to release Toledo and allow Bowling Green to play Georgia Southern in Mobile instead. Since Toledo had just been to Mobile the previous season, the bowl was willing to make a deal.

You don't actually decline bowls and live to tell the tale. You make known what you would prefer, and hope the conference and ESPN work to get you where you want. Mobile has 1st pick for the MAC. They aren't just going to give it up willingly for a 3rd straight year.

There are many times in which you end up where you don't want, and its up to the school to advertise it to fans and make the best of it.

Correct that Toledo did not decline Mobile but when ESPN set up the Camelia they "encouraged" Mobile and the MAC to let Montgomery take first crack at the MAC a certain number of times.

Montgomery and Mobile both wanted Troy vs. Toledo but Montgomery grabbed Toledo and Mobile took Troy and neither could come to an agreeable swap to get the match-up.

(11-26-2017 11:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:17 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:34 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 08:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  You can convey that you would rather go to another bowl, but you can't pass on it. Pass on Mobile at your own peril. CUSA lost that bowl years back because they'd work to put their better teams in other games.

? What ? We passed in 2015 and was awarded with #21 Temple in Boca and whooped their behinds. Just dont be stupid and not have a plan for another game when you decline.

Toledo didn't decline Mobile. ESPN wanted to set up a matchup of Toledo and then AAC Champ Temple. To do that, they needed Mobile to release Toledo and allow Bowling Green to play Georgia Southern in Mobile instead. Since Toledo had just been to Mobile the previous season, the bowl was willing to make a deal.

You don't actually decline bowls and live to tell the tale. You make known what you would prefer, and hope the conference and ESPN work to get you where you want. Mobile has 1st pick for the MAC. They aren't just going to give it up willingly for a 3rd straight year.

There are many times in which you end up where you don't want, and its up to the school to advertise it to fans and make the best of it.

Lol ? Okay so we tell ESPN we want a better opponent than Troy and Mobile and they do it for us. Either way, that option will be on the table for 11-2 Toledo. Thats the exact same thing as declining or passing on a certain bowl. Not every team can do it because there isnt a line of bowls for most teams, but some get that virtue year to year. Troy may have that option too... They could very well talk to ESPN and discuss a game in NO vs 6-6 La Tech or Mobile against 11-2 Toledo.

Well, you tell ESPN and they may do it for you, and the bowl may agree to release you. It's not a sure thing.

Remember, you could do all that and Mobile could easily say no and take you anyway.

As long as we express no interest they will take someone else with interest and another bowl will grab us. We are number 1 on every MAC bowls list... Mark my words. We can say no. Especially if money and funds make Detroit more accessable for our team and fans. Bowls are not a communist nation. We have freedom to do what is best for us.

If we say hey... Our players are sick of playing sunbelt teams and these freshman and sophomores have already done Mobile. We have offers from 3 other bowls... Can you talk to NIU who hasnt been there since 2011 instead of us? We just arent emotionally ready for another big expense trip when we wont get up for the game because players dont care.

They will listen.

Not saying anything like that will be said. Id enjoy playing Troy. But Troy if they lose again? Or lose their coach? No thanks.

(11-26-2017 11:43 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:17 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:34 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  ? What ? We passed in 2015 and was awarded with #21 Temple in Boca and whooped their behinds. Just dont be stupid and not have a plan for another game when you decline.

Toledo didn't decline Mobile. ESPN wanted to set up a matchup of Toledo and then AAC Champ Temple. To do that, they needed Mobile to release Toledo and allow Bowling Green to play Georgia Southern in Mobile instead. Since Toledo had just been to Mobile the previous season, the bowl was willing to make a deal.

You don't actually decline bowls and live to tell the tale. You make known what you would prefer, and hope the conference and ESPN work to get you where you want. Mobile has 1st pick for the MAC. They aren't just going to give it up willingly for a 3rd straight year.

There are many times in which you end up where you don't want, and its up to the school to advertise it to fans and make the best of it.

Lol ? Okay so we tell ESPN we want a better opponent than Troy and Mobile and they do it for us. Either way, that option will be on the table for 11-2 Toledo. Thats the exact same thing as declining or passing on a certain bowl. Not every team can do it because there isnt a line of bowls for most teams, but some get that virtue year to year. Troy may have that option too... They could very well talk to ESPN and discuss a game in NO vs 6-6 La Tech or Mobile against 11-2 Toledo.

Well, you tell ESPN and they may do it for you, and the bowl may agree to release you. It's not a sure thing.

Remember, you could do all that and Mobile could easily say no and take you anyway.

As long as we express no interest they will take someone else with interest and another bowl will grab us. We are number 1 on every MAC bowls list... Mark my words. We can say no. Especially if money and funds make Detroit more accessable for our team and fans. Bowls are not a communist nation. We have freedom to do what is best for us.

If we say hey... Our players are sick of playing sunbelt teams and these freshman and sophomores have already done Mobile. We have offers from 3 other bowls... Can you talk to NIU who hasnt been there since 2011 instead of us? We just arent emotionally ready for another big expense trip when we wont get up for the game because players dont care.

They will listen.

Not saying anything like that will be said. Id enjoy playing Troy. But Troy if they lose again? Or lose their coach? No thanks.

They might listen, but they could also say screw you and take you anyway

There isn't really a ton of give and take with bowls. You can't just say, I don't want to go here, and turn down a bowl and take something else. It's too risky for the future.

We're talking about a bowl that got mad because Montgomery took Toledo over them last year, so they took Montgomery's top SBC name and neither side would horse trade.

Mobile holds grudges.

(11-27-2017 12:45 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:43 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:17 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Toledo didn't decline Mobile. ESPN wanted to set up a matchup of Toledo and then AAC Champ Temple. To do that, they needed Mobile to release Toledo and allow Bowling Green to play Georgia Southern in Mobile instead. Since Toledo had just been to Mobile the previous season, the bowl was willing to make a deal.

You don't actually decline bowls and live to tell the tale. You make known what you would prefer, and hope the conference and ESPN work to get you where you want. Mobile has 1st pick for the MAC. They aren't just going to give it up willingly for a 3rd straight year.

There are many times in which you end up where you don't want, and its up to the school to advertise it to fans and make the best of it.

Lol ? Okay so we tell ESPN we want a better opponent than Troy and Mobile and they do it for us. Either way, that option will be on the table for 11-2 Toledo. Thats the exact same thing as declining or passing on a certain bowl. Not every team can do it because there isnt a line of bowls for most teams, but some get that virtue year to year. Troy may have that option too... They could very well talk to ESPN and discuss a game in NO vs 6-6 La Tech or Mobile against 11-2 Toledo.

Well, you tell ESPN and they may do it for you, and the bowl may agree to release you. It's not a sure thing.

Remember, you could do all that and Mobile could easily say no and take you anyway.

As long as we express no interest they will take someone else with interest and another bowl will grab us. We are number 1 on every MAC bowls list... Mark my words. We can say no. Especially if money and funds make Detroit more accessable for our team and fans. Bowls are not a communist nation. We have freedom to do what is best for us.

If we say hey... Our players are sick of playing sunbelt teams and these freshman and sophomores have already done Mobile. We have offers from 3 other bowls... Can you talk to NIU who hasnt been there since 2011 instead of us? We just arent emotionally ready for another big expense trip when we wont get up for the game because players dont care.

They will listen.

Not saying anything like that will be said. Id enjoy playing Troy. But Troy if they lose again? Or lose their coach? No thanks.

They might listen, but they could also say screw you and take you anyway

There isn't really a ton of give and take with bowls. You can't just say, I don't want to go here, and turn down a bowl and take something else. It's too risky for the future.

We're talking about a bowl that got mad because Montgomery took Toledo over them last year, so they took Montgomery's top SBC name and neither side would horse trade.

Mobile holds grudges.

We will survive. If we go 6-6 next year it could matter. But like stAte... We are as close to a flagship as it gets in the MAC (recently). 8 wins is a bad year for us. In the event we win our first title since 2004... Fingers crossed. We have room to decline and thats where the argument goes. All of our tie ins are ESPN games so nothing is risky. We know we will get picked up. If it hurts relations? Fine. We have 3 other tie ins that will take us because of that history in years to come.

Not this will happen, but a Terry Bowden/Chuck Amato coached Akron to Montgomery. CMU to Mobile. NIU to Boise. All seem like good fits for the Bowls and these MAC schools.
Ark State to New Orleans. Troy to Mobile. App State to the Cure Bowl, Ga State to the Camellia Bowl. NMSU to Arizona Bowl.

(11-26-2017 11:43 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:17 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:34 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  ? What ? We passed in 2015 and was awarded with #21 Temple in Boca and whooped their behinds. Just dont be stupid and not have a plan for another game when you decline.

Toledo didn't decline Mobile. ESPN wanted to set up a matchup of Toledo and then AAC Champ Temple. To do that, they needed Mobile to release Toledo and allow Bowling Green to play Georgia Southern in Mobile instead. Since Toledo had just been to Mobile the previous season, the bowl was willing to make a deal.

You don't actually decline bowls and live to tell the tale. You make known what you would prefer, and hope the conference and ESPN work to get you where you want. Mobile has 1st pick for the MAC. They aren't just going to give it up willingly for a 3rd straight year.

There are many times in which you end up where you don't want, and its up to the school to advertise it to fans and make the best of it.

Lol ? Okay so we tell ESPN we want a better opponent than Troy and Mobile and they do it for us. Either way, that option will be on the table for 11-2 Toledo. Thats the exact same thing as declining or passing on a certain bowl. Not every team can do it because there isnt a line of bowls for most teams, but some get that virtue year to year. Troy may have that option too... They could very well talk to ESPN and discuss a game in NO vs 6-6 La Tech or Mobile against 11-2 Toledo.

Well, you tell ESPN and they may do it for you, and the bowl may agree to release you. It's not a sure thing.

Remember, you could do all that and Mobile could easily say no and take you anyway.

As long as we express no interest they will take someone else with interest and another bowl will grab us. We are number 1 on every MAC bowls list... Mark my words. We can say no. Especially if money and funds make Detroit more accessable for our team and fans. Bowls are not a communist nation. We have freedom to do what is best for us.

If we say hey... Our players are sick of playing sunbelt teams and these freshman and sophomores have already done Mobile. We have offers from 3 other bowls... Can you talk to NIU who hasnt been there since 2011 instead of us? We just arent emotionally ready for another big expense trip when we wont get up for the game because players dont care.

They will listen.

Not saying anything like that will be said. Id enjoy playing Troy. But Troy if they lose again? Or lose their coach? No thanks.

Sure you can say no and the bowl can say "MAC you breached the contract and CUSA is sitting here in the neighborhood with surplus teams. Enjoy the bowl you selected and explain to your conference mate sitting at home why they are there."

(11-27-2017 12:08 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:43 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:17 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Toledo didn't decline Mobile. ESPN wanted to set up a matchup of Toledo and then AAC Champ Temple. To do that, they needed Mobile to release Toledo and allow Bowling Green to play Georgia Southern in Mobile instead. Since Toledo had just been to Mobile the previous season, the bowl was willing to make a deal.

You don't actually decline bowls and live to tell the tale. You make known what you would prefer, and hope the conference and ESPN work to get you where you want. Mobile has 1st pick for the MAC. They aren't just going to give it up willingly for a 3rd straight year.

There are many times in which you end up where you don't want, and its up to the school to advertise it to fans and make the best of it.

Lol ? Okay so we tell ESPN we want a better opponent than Troy and Mobile and they do it for us. Either way, that option will be on the table for 11-2 Toledo. Thats the exact same thing as declining or passing on a certain bowl. Not every team can do it because there isnt a line of bowls for most teams, but some get that virtue year to year. Troy may have that option too... They could very well talk to ESPN and discuss a game in NO vs 6-6 La Tech or Mobile against 11-2 Toledo.

Well, you tell ESPN and they may do it for you, and the bowl may agree to release you. It's not a sure thing.

Remember, you could do all that and Mobile could easily say no and take you anyway.

As long as we express no interest they will take someone else with interest and another bowl will grab us. We are number 1 on every MAC bowls list... Mark my words. We can say no. Especially if money and funds make Detroit more accessable for our team and fans. Bowls are not a communist nation. We have freedom to do what is best for us.

If we say hey... Our players are sick of playing sunbelt teams and these freshman and sophomores have already done Mobile. We have offers from 3 other bowls... Can you talk to NIU who hasnt been there since 2011 instead of us? We just arent emotionally ready for another big expense trip when we wont get up for the game because players dont care.

They will listen.

Not saying anything like that will be said. Id enjoy playing Troy. But Troy if they lose again? Or lose their coach? No thanks.

Sure you can say no and the bowl can say "MAC you breached the contract and CUSA is sitting here in the neighborhood with surplus teams. Enjoy the bowl you selected and explain to your conference mate sitting at home why they are there."

Breached what contract? Our contract is Mac to mobile.. Thats it. We can say nahh.... Boise you want us to play Sdsu? Sure. Cool. Then NIU would go...welp? We were thinking about Boise but Mobile works for us. And mobile picks another MAC team.

(11-27-2017 02:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 12:08 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:43 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:17 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Lol ? Okay so we tell ESPN we want a better opponent than Troy and Mobile and they do it for us. Either way, that option will be on the table for 11-2 Toledo. Thats the exact same thing as declining or passing on a certain bowl. Not every team can do it because there isnt a line of bowls for most teams, but some get that virtue year to year. Troy may have that option too... They could very well talk to ESPN and discuss a game in NO vs 6-6 La Tech or Mobile against 11-2 Toledo.

Well, you tell ESPN and they may do it for you, and the bowl may agree to release you. It's not a sure thing.

Remember, you could do all that and Mobile could easily say no and take you anyway.

As long as we express no interest they will take someone else with interest and another bowl will grab us. We are number 1 on every MAC bowls list... Mark my words. We can say no. Especially if money and funds make Detroit more accessable for our team and fans. Bowls are not a communist nation. We have freedom to do what is best for us.

If we say hey... Our players are sick of playing sunbelt teams and these freshman and sophomores have already done Mobile. We have offers from 3 other bowls... Can you talk to NIU who hasnt been there since 2011 instead of us? We just arent emotionally ready for another big expense trip when we wont get up for the game because players dont care.

They will listen.

Not saying anything like that will be said. Id enjoy playing Troy. But Troy if they lose again? Or lose their coach? No thanks.

Sure you can say no and the bowl can say "MAC you breached the contract and CUSA is sitting here in the neighborhood with surplus teams. Enjoy the bowl you selected and explain to your conference mate sitting at home why they are there."

Breached what contract? Our contract is Mac to mobile.. Thats it. We can say nahh.... Boise you want us to play Sdsu? Sure. Cool. Then NIU would go...welp? We were thinking about Boise but Mobile works for us. And mobile picks another MAC team.

Provides for selection order. You can't tell them oh well you've got first pick but you can't pick these schools who are eligible. That's the very definition of a breach.

(11-27-2017 03:16 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 02:10 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 12:08 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:43 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Well, you tell ESPN and they may do it for you, and the bowl may agree to release you. It's not a sure thing.

Remember, you could do all that and Mobile could easily say no and take you anyway.

As long as we express no interest they will take someone else with interest and another bowl will grab us. We are number 1 on every MAC bowls list... Mark my words. We can say no. Especially if money and funds make Detroit more accessable for our team and fans. Bowls are not a communist nation. We have freedom to do what is best for us.

If we say hey... Our players are sick of playing sunbelt teams and these freshman and sophomores have already done Mobile. We have offers from 3 other bowls... Can you talk to NIU who hasnt been there since 2011 instead of us? We just arent emotionally ready for another big expense trip when we wont get up for the game because players dont care.

They will listen.

Not saying anything like that will be said. Id enjoy playing Troy. But Troy if they lose again? Or lose their coach? No thanks.

Sure you can say no and the bowl can say "MAC you breached the contract and CUSA is sitting here in the neighborhood with surplus teams. Enjoy the bowl you selected and explain to your conference mate sitting at home why they are there."

Breached what contract? Our contract is Mac to mobile.. Thats it. We can say nahh.... Boise you want us to play Sdsu? Sure. Cool. Then NIU would go...welp? We were thinking about Boise but Mobile works for us. And mobile picks another MAC team.

Provides for selection order. You can't tell them oh well you've got first pick but you can't pick these schools who are eligible. That's the very definition of a breach.

We dont have an order anymore. We havent sice the access spot came about and the BCS was done with.