(11-17-2017 12:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 12:08 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:25 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:18 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:14 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Just a sampling:

2005
Ole Miss, Providence, Marquette, DePaul & Louisville
2006
Gonzaga, Texas, UTK, Purdue
2007
Ole Miss, Cincinnati (with a very strong OOC away – UK, GT, OU, Gonzaga, Arizona)
2008
Georgetown, AZ, Gonzaga (all ranked) & UConn, OU among others away
2009
Syracuse, Cincinnati (Gonzaga, UTK, Seton Hall & Xavier away)

Those werent OOC games.

They weren't CUSA, so what were they? Cincy & Louisville moved to BE in 2005-06, the first yr covered on my listing..

Nice try buddy.

Nice try - my first year in the listing was 2005 (2005-06 season). Those are actual games scheduled those season. Get your head out of a$$ & look at the schedules.

This is a perfect example of how you will lie and instead of admitting that what you said is stupid, you make up more stupid stuff to try and cover it up.

In 2005-2006 we didn't play DePaul, Marquette or Louisville and we played Ole Piss and Providence on the road.

In 2009 you list Syracuse as a home game, but if you are still insisting that 2009 means the 2009-2010 season, we played Syracuse on the road, and...

Quote:We played a number of years in the FedEx Forum under the same rules while Cal was the coach in CUSA after the BE defections but we had a much tougher OOC home schedule.

Cal wasn't the coach in 2009, which in your dumb example is supposedly the 2009-2010 season.

Quote:2008
Georgetown, AZ, Gonzaga (all ranked) & UConn, OU among others away

In the 2008 season, which you idiotically claim is the 2008-2009 season we didn't play Georgetown and Gonzaga at home and we didn't even play Arizona.

I am confident that since you are a liar and not too bright, instead of admitting your mistake, you will continue to make a fool of yourself.

(11-17-2017 01:16 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 12:07 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:14 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:54 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 09:04 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Lies, what lies - you complain NOW about OOC scheduling that has been weak for 7 yrs. Disingenuous, as I said. And Stammer, you can repeat that nonsense over & over about why we have to have a weak OOC schedule but it's still nonsense. We played a number of years in the FedEx Forum under the same rules while Cal was the coach in CUSA after the BE defections but we had a much tougher OOC home schedule. It clearly can be done & we need the butts in the seats that some name opponents would bring. And BTW our AD agrees.

You seem to have the weird notion that we can schedule home and homes against any P5 power we want, any time we want. What your brain is unable to process is the simple concept that it is almost impossible to get good opponents, especially P5 opponents to play us home and home. How many good OOC home schedules did Cal play?

Just a sampling:

2005
Ole Miss, Providence, Marquette, DePaul & Louisville
2006
Gonzaga, Texas, UTK, Purdue
2007
Ole Miss, Cincinnati (with a very strong OOC away – UK, GT, OU, Gonzaga, Arizona)
2008
Georgetown, AZ, Gonzaga (all ranked) & UConn, OU among others away
2009
Syracuse, Cincinnati (Gonzaga, UTK, Seton Hall & Xavier away)

Just a sampling of how dumb your examples are.

2005
- Marquette, DePaul and Louisville were in our conference, so this is as dumb as you can get when arguing OOC home schedules. We are down to Ole Piss and Providence...whoopee. Good start to a debate by lying through your teeth.

2006
- Purdue was 7-21 the year before they played us and 9-19 the year they played us, so it is dumb to use them as an example of a good OOC game. Gonzaga, UT and Texas is very good.

2007
Again, try and concentrate, stay focused on home OOC which is what you have been bitching about. Whatever gibberish you posted, Ole Piss was the only decent OOC game on our schedule...and they were coming off 3 seasons at 13-15, 14-17 and 14-16 before we played them.

2008
GREAT home schedule

2009
As dumb as an argument gets. The only decent home OOC game was Syracuse and this is coming off of Elite 8, Elite 8, Elite 8, Final Four with Cal as our coach. We still couldn't convince good programs to play us home and home.

Also, you know that your own argument is dumb because you conveniently stopped at 2005.

2004
- Missouri

2003
- Ole Piss and Illinois. Villanova hadn't been to the tournament the 3 years before playing us.

2002
- Tennessee, Arkansas

2001
- Ole Miss

So in Cal's 9 seasons we managed to play a really good OOC home schedule a grand total of twice. So you are still as confused and dishonest as ever.

If you want to argue which schedule had the most marquee opponents from 2001-2017, the winner hands down is Pastner's 2014 schedule which had 12 marquee opponents, with 5 of the games at home.

Oklahoma State (2)
Louisville (2)
Cincinnati (2)
UConn (2)
SMU (2)
Gonzaga
Florida

I gave you a 5 year period - which of course you don't want to acknowledge. So you go to an earlier period when we had no need to schedule as strong OOC because Louisville & Cincy were in our conference. And your Pastner example - Louisville, Cincy, SMU, UConn were in-conference. Focus meathead - we are talking about OOC & how Calipari scheduled, your criteria. Again, I gave you a 5 yr period after the strength left CUSA. And you say, we can't schedule that way, even though I provided the actual schedule. And that compared to JP and since which even a biased observer would grant is very weak. That 2009 schedule you say is "dumb", we played UMass at home, then Seton Hall, Xavier & #19 Georgetown away, then #11 Syracuse, Cincy & Drexel at home, then later #18 Gonzaga away. Right, compare that "dumb" schedule to the last 5 yrs. But then you want to change the argument, change the period considered, then move to JP. Of course you won't stay focused, you asked & I answered with the schools Calipari scheduled for the most recent 5 yr period when he was our coach. It can be done, it has been done & I provided the examples.

And BTW, Louisville, Cincy, Marquette & DePaul were NOT in CUSA for the 2005 season (2005-2006 games played).

I will let you in on a little secret since you are too dumb to understand how things work. The 2009 season is the 2008-2009 season. The 2005 season is the 2004-2005 season. Imagine, screwing up by saying that the 2005 season is the 2005-2006 season; getting every season and every game wrong.

The whole board is laughing at you now.

(11-17-2017 02:12 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:25 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:18 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:14 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:54 AM)Stammers Wrote:  You seem to have the weird notion that we can schedule home and homes against any P5 power we want, any time we want. What your brain is unable to process is the simple concept that it is almost impossible to get good opponents, especially P5 opponents to play us home and home. How many good OOC home schedules did Cal play?

Just a sampling:

2005
Ole Miss, Providence, Marquette, DePaul & Louisville
2006
Gonzaga, Texas, UTK, Purdue
2007
Ole Miss, Cincinnati (with a very strong OOC away – UK, GT, OU, Gonzaga, Arizona)
2008
Georgetown, AZ, Gonzaga (all ranked) & UConn, OU among others away
2009
Syracuse, Cincinnati (Gonzaga, UTK, Seton Hall & Xavier away)

Those werent OOC games.

They weren't CUSA, so what were they? Cincy & Louisville moved to BE in 2005-06, the first yr covered on my listing..

We didnt play those teams in 2005-6. 2004-5 was that season.

It's simple right?, any idiot would understand that the 2005 season is the 2004-2005 season and that even if that stupidity was true, we didn't play those teams in 2006. Also, he name calls when he uses conference games as examples showing that we played stronger OOC home schedules.

He won't let it go; he prefers to have everyone laugh at him.

The odds are stacked against us to win 20+ games this season.

Wait till next year!!

2005 Conference USA Men's Basketball Tournament
The 2005 Conference USA Men's Basketball Tournament was held March 9–12 at the FedExForum in Memphis, Tennessee.

Location: FedExForum, Memphis, TN
Champion: Louisville Cardinals men's basketball
Site: FedExForum
MVP: Luke Whitehead
Winning coach: Rick Pitino (2nd title)
Teams: 12
Season: 2004–05 - Louisville's final season in CUSA

(11-17-2017 04:47 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  2005 Conference USA Men's Basketball Tournament
The 2005 Conference USA Men's Basketball Tournament was held March 9–12 at the FedExForum in Memphis, Tennessee.

Location: FedExForum, Memphis, TN
Champion: Louisville Cardinals men's basketball
Site: FedExForum
MVP: Luke Whitehead
Winning coach: Rick Pitino (2nd title)
Teams: 12
Season: 2004–05 - Louisville's final season in CUSA

Atlanta thinks we played Kansas in the national championship game in 2007.

(11-14-2017 11:24 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

In the regular season? No. No we won’t. We won’t sniff 20 wins in the regular season.

(11-18-2017 09:07 PM)airric2255 Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:24 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  

In the regular season? No. No we won’t. We won’t sniff 20 wins in the regular season.

You say that like we will have a post season.

18 to go.

(11-22-2017 10:53 AM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  18 to go.

Did you actually watch that garbage last night?

(11-17-2017 02:22 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  The only reason there is so much arguing going on here over bull**** topics is because Tubby isn't getting it done, the team is average at best, there's no reinforcements on the way, and there's no way to get rid of Tubby.

The state of the program is laughable given the resources and facilities available to it; absolutely laughable.

This is a sad, tho accurate, summary.

(11-22-2017 12:58 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:22 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  The only reason there is so much arguing going on here over bull**** topics is because Tubby isn't getting it done, the team is average at best, there's no reinforcements on the way, and there's no way to get rid of Tubby.

The state of the program is laughable given the resources and facilities available to it; absolutely laughable.

This is a sad, tho accurate, summary.

I think the problem with those so opposed & vocally critical of Tubby is that you can't related to the thought process of the very small group who are committed to paying Tubby's big contract. It is not in their collective nature to make quick decisions & even more unlikely for them to cut-bait after only one season, given the substantial financial commitment they have made. So all normal fans can agree Tubby isn't the right guy or isn't doing the job but that small group who are on the hook financially will very likely allow the contract to play out. That was essentially the path taken with JP & he would likely be working out his last season now had GT not taken him. Memphis had already committed to JP last year & while talk, pressure & rumors would have been constant, those making decisions were willing for JP to find his own landing spot or not have his contract renewed. Given the MBB finances are even worse now, it leaves even fewer options with Tubby but to play it out. That is why some here say let's see how it goes because that is exactly where this program, this coach & the university are headed until & unless that very small group of financial donors say they will take it in the shorts - and I'm betting they won't. And something else, I don't think that small group will be willing to trust this admin the next go-round either if Tubby isn't successful.

(11-22-2017 12:58 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:22 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  The only reason there is so much arguing going on here over bull**** topics is because Tubby isn't getting it done, the team is average at best, there's no reinforcements on the way, and there's no way to get rid of Tubby.

The state of the program is laughable given the resources and facilities available to it; absolutely laughable.

This is a sad, tho accurate, summary.

Agreed

(11-22-2017 02:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 12:58 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:22 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  The only reason there is so much arguing going on here over bull**** topics is because Tubby isn't getting it done, the team is average at best, there's no reinforcements on the way, and there's no way to get rid of Tubby.

The state of the program is laughable given the resources and facilities available to it; absolutely laughable.

This is a sad, tho accurate, summary.

I think the problem with those so opposed & vocally critical of Tubby is that you can't related to the thought process of the very small group who are committed to paying Tubby's big contract. It is not in their collective nature to make quick decisions & even more unlikely for them to cut-bait after only one season, given the substantial financial commitment they have made. So all normal fans can agree Tubby isn't the right guy or isn't doing the job but that small group who are on the hook financially will very likely allow the contract to play out. That was essentially the path taken with JP & he would likely be working out his last season now had GT not taken him. Memphis had already committed to JP last year & while talk, pressure & rumors would have been constant, those making decisions were willing for JP to find his own landing spot or not have his contract renewed. Given the MBB finances are even worse now, it leaves even fewer options with Tubby but to play it out. That is why some here say let's see how it goes because that is exactly where this program, this coach & the university are headed until & unless that very small group of financial donors say they will take it in the shorts - and I'm betting they won't. And something else, I don't think that small group will be willing to trust this admin the next go-round either if Tubby isn't successful.

The same people you just talked about MIGHT hang on to Tubby for a little while, but the problem with YOUR post is that you fail to understand that they are saying the same things that most of us are.

Rudd just stood in front of a $20 million facility and told everyone that we are a top 10 program. Do you think that Rudd, Laurie and Bowen are sitting around thinking that everything is fine and everything will sort itself out with Tubby? They are already close to full panic mode.

Quote:I don't think that small group will be willing to trust this admin the next go-round either if Tubby isn't successful.

The small group was consulted and the hire was made when there was collective or close to collective agreement. The problem is that they didn't use an outside firm as they did with the two football hires.

So the small group and the admin won't trust themselves next time. If the admin, the small group or Tubby's team would have properly vetted the situation, the hire would never have been made. The admin and the small group won't make the same mistake again. Lesson learned.

(11-22-2017 02:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 12:58 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:22 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  The only reason there is so much arguing going on here over bull**** topics is because Tubby isn't getting it done, the team is average at best, there's no reinforcements on the way, and there's no way to get rid of Tubby.

The state of the program is laughable given the resources and facilities available to it; absolutely laughable.

This is a sad, tho accurate, summary.

I think the problem with those so opposed & vocally critical of Tubby is that you can't related to the thought process of the very small group who are committed to paying Tubby's big contract. It is not in their collective nature to make quick decisions & even more unlikely for them to cut-bait after only one season, given the substantial financial commitment they have made. So all normal fans can agree Tubby isn't the right guy or isn't doing the job but that small group who are on the hook financially will very likely allow the contract to play out. That was essentially the path taken with JP & he would likely be working out his last season now had GT not taken him. Memphis had already committed to JP last year & while talk, pressure & rumors would have been constant, those making decisions were willing for JP to find his own landing spot or not have his contract renewed. Given the MBB finances are even worse now, it leaves even fewer options with Tubby but to play it out. That is why some here say let's see how it goes because that is exactly where this program, this coach & the university are headed until & unless that very small group of financial donors say they will take it in the shorts - and I'm betting they won't. And something else, I don't think that small group will be willing to trust this admin the next go-round either if Tubby isn't successful.

The same people you just talked about MIGHT hang on to Tubby for a little while, but the problem with YOUR post is that you fail to understand that they are saying the same things that most of us are.

Rudd just stood in front of a $20 million facility and told everyone that we are a top 10 program. Do you think that Rudd, Laurie and Bowen are sitting around thinking that everything is fine and everything will sort itself out with Tubby? They are already close to full panic mode.

Sure Rudd says we expect a certain std of performance. What else could he say? I think I heard the same from Bowen publically with JP, but what was done? Nothing, but the clear intent was to let JP's contract run out with him knowing he was out when it did. So JP found a soft landing. And the costs are sunk at this point on Tubby, but the admin likely has very little resources to tap for the next coach, & with the poor attendance will likely just allow Tubby's to play out his contract - just like they were set to do with JP. So complain all you want, but Tubby is likely here for his contract. But with no resources to make a change I doubt there is panic at this point. It's hope Tubby pulls the program up or resignation to a mediocre next 4 yrs.

(11-22-2017 04:04 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 12:58 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:22 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  The only reason there is so much arguing going on here over bull**** topics is because Tubby isn't getting it done, the team is average at best, there's no reinforcements on the way, and there's no way to get rid of Tubby.

The state of the program is laughable given the resources and facilities available to it; absolutely laughable.

This is a sad, tho accurate, summary.

I think the problem with those so opposed & vocally critical of Tubby is that you can't related to the thought process of the very small group who are committed to paying Tubby's big contract. It is not in their collective nature to make quick decisions & even more unlikely for them to cut-bait after only one season, given the substantial financial commitment they have made. So all normal fans can agree Tubby isn't the right guy or isn't doing the job but that small group who are on the hook financially will very likely allow the contract to play out. That was essentially the path taken with JP & he would likely be working out his last season now had GT not taken him. Memphis had already committed to JP last year & while talk, pressure & rumors would have been constant, those making decisions were willing for JP to find his own landing spot or not have his contract renewed. Given the MBB finances are even worse now, it leaves even fewer options with Tubby but to play it out. That is why some here say let's see how it goes because that is exactly where this program, this coach & the university are headed until & unless that very small group of financial donors say they will take it in the shorts - and I'm betting they won't. And something else, I don't think that small group will be willing to trust this admin the next go-round either if Tubby isn't successful.

The same people you just talked about MIGHT hang on to Tubby for a little while, but the problem with YOUR post is that you fail to understand that they are saying the same things that most of us are.

Rudd just stood in front of a $20 million facility and told everyone that we are a top 10 program. Do you think that Rudd, Laurie and Bowen are sitting around thinking that everything is fine and everything will sort itself out with Tubby? They are already close to full panic mode.

Sure Rudd says we expect a certain std of performance. What else could he say? I think I heard the same from Bowen publically with JP, but what was done? Nothing, but the clear intent was to let JP's contract run out with him knowing he was out when it did. So JP found a soft landing. And the costs are sunk at this point on Tubby, but the admin likely has very little resources to tap for the next coach, & with the poor attendance will likely just allow Tubby's to play out his contract - just like they were set to do with JP. So complain all you want, but Tubby is likely here for his contract. But with no resources to make a change I doubt there is panic at this point. It's hope Tubby pulls the program up or resignation to a mediocre next 4 yrs.

Quote:Sure Rudd says we expect a certain std of performance. What else could he say?

Why would he say top 10 when he knows how Tubby has torched the program?

Quote:I think I heard the same from Bowen publically with JP, but what was done?

Without divulging anything, I would think that Bowen privately let Pastner know that he was in trouble and definitely let Pastner put out feelers. Some on this board have posted that Tubby wasn't happy when he realized what a mess he is in here, and had his people talk to other schools about leaving Memphis.

Quote:But with no resources to make a change I doubt there is panic at this point.

Link?

Quote:the clear intent was to let JP's contract run out with him knowing he was out when it did.

Link?

(11-22-2017 02:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 12:58 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:22 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  The only reason there is so much arguing going on here over bull**** topics is because Tubby isn't getting it done, the team is average at best, there's no reinforcements on the way, and there's no way to get rid of Tubby.

The state of the program is laughable given the resources and facilities available to it; absolutely laughable.

This is a sad, tho accurate, summary.

I think the problem with those so opposed & vocally critical of Tubby is that you can't related to the thought process of the very small group who are committed to paying Tubby's big contract. It is not in their collective nature to make quick decisions & even more unlikely for them to cut-bait after only one season, given the substantial financial commitment they have made. So all normal fans can agree Tubby isn't the right guy or isn't doing the job but that small group who are on the hook financially will very likely allow the contract to play out. That was essentially the path taken with JP & he would likely be working out his last season now had GT not taken him. Memphis had already committed to JP last year & while talk, pressure & rumors would have been constant, those making decisions were willing for JP to find his own landing spot or not have his contract renewed. Given the MBB finances are even worse now, it leaves even fewer options with Tubby but to play it out. That is why some here say let's see how it goes because that is exactly where this program, this coach & the university are headed until & unless that very small group of financial donors say they will take it in the shorts - and I'm betting they won't. And something else, I don't think that small group will be willing to trust this admin the next go-round either if Tubby isn't successful.

I think a large part of Paz deciding to go ahead and look elsewhere was the heat / unpleasantness from the fans as well as the fact that he knew he wouldn't have his contract extended here.

Hiring mistakes get made all the time. Hopefully the next hire will be made upon the recommendation of the committee that has selected Fuente and Norvell in succession.

I just wish Tubby would / could land some talented recruits. THAT would solve a lot of issues. If he doesn't make wholesale changes to his staff for next year we'll know he just doesn't give a **** anymore. If he had a staff that could recruit all he'd have had to do is be the closer. Now that he's effectively **** the bed here it may be too late for that scenario to play out......

(11-22-2017 04:48 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 12:58 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:22 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  The only reason there is so much arguing going on here over bull**** topics is because Tubby isn't getting it done, the team is average at best, there's no reinforcements on the way, and there's no way to get rid of Tubby.

The state of the program is laughable given the resources and facilities available to it; absolutely laughable.

This is a sad, tho accurate, summary.

I think the problem with those so opposed & vocally critical of Tubby is that you can't related to the thought process of the very small group who are committed to paying Tubby's big contract. It is not in their collective nature to make quick decisions & even more unlikely for them to cut-bait after only one season, given the substantial financial commitment they have made. So all normal fans can agree Tubby isn't the right guy or isn't doing the job but that small group who are on the hook financially will very likely allow the contract to play out. That was essentially the path taken with JP & he would likely be working out his last season now had GT not taken him. Memphis had already committed to JP last year & while talk, pressure & rumors would have been constant, those making decisions were willing for JP to find his own landing spot or not have his contract renewed. Given the MBB finances are even worse now, it leaves even fewer options with Tubby but to play it out. That is why some here say let's see how it goes because that is exactly where this program, this coach & the university are headed until & unless that very small group of financial donors say they will take it in the shorts - and I'm betting they won't. And something else, I don't think that small group will be willing to trust this admin the next go-round either if Tubby isn't successful.

I think a large part of Paz deciding to go ahead and look elsewhere was the heat / unpleasantness from the fans as well as the fact that he knew he wouldn't have his contract extended here.

Hiring mistakes get made all the time. Hopefully the next hire will be made upon the recommendation of the committee that has selected Fuente and Norvell in succession.

I just wish Tubby would / could land some talented recruits. THAT would solve a lot of issues. If he doesn't make wholesale changes to his staff for next year we'll know he just doesn't give a **** anymore. If he had a staff that could recruit all he'd have had to do is be the closer. Now that he's effectively **** the bed here it may be too late for that scenario to play out......

24/7 Have Not Yet Committed
51-100: 7
101-150: 6
151-200: 15
201-250: 15

Anyone want to take a stab at guessing how the class will be filled out?

(11-22-2017 04:04 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 12:58 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 02:22 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  The only reason there is so much arguing going on here over bull**** topics is because Tubby isn't getting it done, the team is average at best, there's no reinforcements on the way, and there's no way to get rid of Tubby.

The state of the program is laughable given the resources and facilities available to it; absolutely laughable.

This is a sad, tho accurate, summary.

I think the problem with those so opposed & vocally critical of Tubby is that you can't related to the thought process of the very small group who are committed to paying Tubby's big contract. It is not in their collective nature to make quick decisions & even more unlikely for them to cut-bait after only one season, given the substantial financial commitment they have made. So all normal fans can agree Tubby isn't the right guy or isn't doing the job but that small group who are on the hook financially will very likely allow the contract to play out. That was essentially the path taken with JP & he would likely be working out his last season now had GT not taken him. Memphis had already committed to JP last year & while talk, pressure & rumors would have been constant, those making decisions were willing for JP to find his own landing spot or not have his contract renewed. Given the MBB finances are even worse now, it leaves even fewer options with Tubby but to play it out. That is why some here say let's see how it goes because that is exactly where this program, this coach & the university are headed until & unless that very small group of financial donors say they will take it in the shorts - and I'm betting they won't. And something else, I don't think that small group will be willing to trust this admin the next go-round either if Tubby isn't successful.

The same people you just talked about MIGHT hang on to Tubby for a little while, but the problem with YOUR post is that you fail to understand that they are saying the same things that most of us are.

Rudd just stood in front of a $20 million facility and told everyone that we are a top 10 program. Do you think that Rudd, Laurie and Bowen are sitting around thinking that everything is fine and everything will sort itself out with Tubby? They are already close to full panic mode.

Sure Rudd says we expect a certain std of performance. What else could he say? I think I heard the same from Bowen publically with JP, but what was done? Nothing, but the clear intent was to let JP's contract run out with him knowing he was out when it did. So JP found a soft landing. And the costs are sunk at this point on Tubby, but the admin likely has very little resources to tap for the next coach, & with the poor attendance will likely just allow Tubby's to play out his contract - just like they were set to do with JP. So complain all you want, but Tubby is likely here for his contract. But with no resources to make a change I doubt there is panic at this point. It's hope Tubby pulls the program up or resignation to a mediocre next 4 yrs.

In my opinion if Tubby doesn’t make the NCAA tournament in year three, he’s gone. Now if he has a less than .500 season this year, I truly believe something will be done. They can’t sit tight and allow us to sink further.

(11-22-2017 07:21 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:04 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:51 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:42 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 12:58 PM)holyterror Wrote:  This is a sad, tho accurate, summary.

I think the problem with those so opposed & vocally critical of Tubby is that you can't related to the thought process of the very small group who are committed to paying Tubby's big contract. It is not in their collective nature to make quick decisions & even more unlikely for them to cut-bait after only one season, given the substantial financial commitment they have made. So all normal fans can agree Tubby isn't the right guy or isn't doing the job but that small group who are on the hook financially will very likely allow the contract to play out. That was essentially the path taken with JP & he would likely be working out his last season now had GT not taken him. Memphis had already committed to JP last year & while talk, pressure & rumors would have been constant, those making decisions were willing for JP to find his own landing spot or not have his contract renewed. Given the MBB finances are even worse now, it leaves even fewer options with Tubby but to play it out. That is why some here say let's see how it goes because that is exactly where this program, this coach & the university are headed until & unless that very small group of financial donors say they will take it in the shorts - and I'm betting they won't. And something else, I don't think that small group will be willing to trust this admin the next go-round either if Tubby isn't successful.

The same people you just talked about MIGHT hang on to Tubby for a little while, but the problem with YOUR post is that you fail to understand that they are saying the same things that most of us are.

Rudd just stood in front of a $20 million facility and told everyone that we are a top 10 program. Do you think that Rudd, Laurie and Bowen are sitting around thinking that everything is fine and everything will sort itself out with Tubby? They are already close to full panic mode.

Sure Rudd says we expect a certain std of performance. What else could he say? I think I heard the same from Bowen publically with JP, but what was done? Nothing, but the clear intent was to let JP's contract run out with him knowing he was out when it did. So JP found a soft landing. And the costs are sunk at this point on Tubby, but the admin likely has very little resources to tap for the next coach, & with the poor attendance will likely just allow Tubby's to play out his contract - just like they were set to do with JP. So complain all you want, but Tubby is likely here for his contract. But with no resources to make a change I doubt there is panic at this point. It's hope Tubby pulls the program up or resignation to a mediocre next 4 yrs.

In my opinion if Tubby doesn’t make the NCAA tournament in year three, he’s gone. Now if he has a less than .500 season this year, I truly believe something will be done. They can’t sit tight and allow us to sink further.

Sure they can. 9 Million Dollar payout at that point. They were prepared to ride it out with Paz just two years ago.