So Tom, is Trump a genius because he slashed the advertising budget for ACA, yet still got more early signups than Obama?

(11-13-2017 11:42 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 02:52 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 03:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 01:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  The unemployed don't buy insurance.

The disabled and the elderly do not buy insurance either.

Yeah, they do.

Medicare Advantage (private option to Medicare) and Medicare Supplement (because Medicare by itself is vastly insufficient).

Just meant they aren't buying on the exchange. I sold medicare sups for years. Still love those renewal pmts.

if one can take from the boomers, they're in like flynn....it's not a tough equation to solve....

parents are 75/76 and pay an additional 11k/yr.......

(11-13-2017 11:42 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 02:52 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 03:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 01:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  The unemployed don't buy insurance.

The disabled and the elderly do not buy insurance either.

Yeah, they do.

Medicare Advantage (private option to Medicare) and Medicare Supplement (because Medicare by itself is vastly insufficient).

Just meant they aren't buying on the exchange. I sold medicare sups for years. Still love those renewal pmts.

I should have just quoted david. As usual, he practically couldn't have been wrong.

His claim: The elderly don't buy insurance.

Fact: The elderly buy the MOST insurance.

(11-13-2017 07:02 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-13-2017 11:42 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2017 02:52 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 03:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-09-2017 01:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  The unemployed don't buy insurance.

The disabled and the elderly do not buy insurance either.

Yeah, they do.

Medicare Advantage (private option to Medicare) and Medicare Supplement (because Medicare by itself is vastly insufficient).

Just meant they aren't buying on the exchange. I sold medicare sups for years. Still love those renewal pmts.

I should have just quoted david. As usual, he practically couldn't have been wrong.

His claim: The elderly don't buy insurance.

Fact: The elderly probably buy the MOST insurance.

Haha. Bet David is assuming they are all on Medicaid........because everyone he knows of that age IS!

(11-09-2017 01:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Double last year!

Quote:The number of people who signed up for Obamacare plans more than doubled on the first day of enrollment compared with the prior year, according to a new report.

That potential record for enrollment levels comes despite opposition to Obamacare by the Trump administration, and despite sharp defunding of sign-up outreach efforts and advertising by the administration.

TheHill.com reported that last Wednesday, the first day of open enrollment for individual health plans, more than 200,000 people selected an Obamacare plan for 2018.

That compares with only around 100,000 for the same day last year, according to TheHill.com, citing a source close to the enrollment process.

There was also a sharp uptick in visits to HealthCare.gov, the federally run insurance marketplace that sells Obamacare plans in much of the United States.

More than 1 million people visited that sign-up site last Wednesday, compared with about 750,000 visitors on the first day of open enrollment in 2016.

Record level of sign-ups for Obamacare plans reported

It will be interesting to see the final numbers to see if the trend continues.

Obviously, the suggestion is the ACA bill is even more popular than we ever knew!!!

lol....Uhmmmmm....no.

Now, I dont have a special super duper journalism degree from Yale---so I guess Im completely unqualified to analyze such complicated things. However, if I just use my simplistic state university math and a little common sense---I'll try to suggest a reason for increased traffic. It seems to me, that if you cut the enrollment period in half---wouldnt you expect to see a rise in the number of people signing up each day? I suspect thats all thats happening here. To get to roughtly the same number of applicants, the site would have to process roughly twice as many applications a day. So a 79% first day rise over last year would actually suggest that we will see the total applications fall by over 20%.


http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opin...story.html

Can we get an update from the OP on this?

lulz.......chirp chirp

Quote:While the White House attempts to sabotage the ACA, it’s clear that appetite for the law hasn’t collapsed. Obamacare sign-ups are up 22 percent from where they were at this point last year.

But Obamacare advocates aren’t celebrating — they’re panicking. They don’t think they can match last year’s enrollment numbers, because the Trump administration cut the sign-up period in half. So even though sign-ups are high now — and there are some clear reasons for that — there is simply less time for people to enroll.

“I’m very concerned about the final couple of weeks, because we’re not where we need to be to match where we were last year,” says Lori Lodes, executive director of Get Covered America. “The administration is not doing the things they need to to drive enrollment.”

Obamacare sign-ups defy Trump’s sabotage campaign

vox. jesus. at least it isn't the comedy channel.

so, aca enrollments aren't relevant any more. the individual mandate will die in the tax reform bill.

(12-07-2017 11:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:While the White House attempts to sabotage the ACA, it’s clear that appetite for the law hasn’t collapsed. Obamacare sign-ups are up 22 percent from where they were at this point last year.

But Obamacare advocates aren’t celebrating — they’re panicking. They don’t think they can match last year’s enrollment numbers, because the Trump administration cut the sign-up period in half. So even though sign-ups are high now — and there are some clear reasons for that — there is simply less time for people to enroll.

“I’m very concerned about the final couple of weeks, because we’re not where we need to be to match where we were last year,” says Lori Lodes, executive director of Get Covered America. “The administration is not doing the things they need to to drive enrollment.”

Obamacare sign-ups defy Trump’s sabotage campaign

So Tom, 45 days isn't enough time? Really? I'm betting your employee enrollment time is about 45 days? No?

(12-07-2017 11:23 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:While the White House attempts to sabotage the ACA, it’s clear that appetite for the law hasn’t collapsed. Obamacare sign-ups are up 22 percent from where they were at this point last year.

But Obamacare advocates aren’t celebrating — they’re panicking. They don’t think they can match last year’s enrollment numbers, because the Trump administration cut the sign-up period in half. So even though sign-ups are high now — and there are some clear reasons for that — there is simply less time for people to enroll.

“I’m very concerned about the final couple of weeks, because we’re not where we need to be to match where we were last year,” says Lori Lodes, executive director of Get Covered America. “The administration is not doing the things they need to to drive enrollment.”

Obamacare sign-ups defy Trump’s sabotage campaign

So Tom, 45 days isn't enough time? Really? I'm betting your employee enrollment time is about 45 days? No?

It's probably about right...but that's really not the point. For me, I only get about 3 weeks...but I'm not in anywhere near the same situation as people signing up for the ACA because I'm already covered by an employer plan. It's apples and oranges when you get down to it as I don't have to do any "shopping."

(12-07-2017 11:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:23 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:While the White House attempts to sabotage the ACA, it’s clear that appetite for the law hasn’t collapsed. Obamacare sign-ups are up 22 percent from where they were at this point last year.

But Obamacare advocates aren’t celebrating — they’re panicking. They don’t think they can match last year’s enrollment numbers, because the Trump administration cut the sign-up period in half. So even though sign-ups are high now — and there are some clear reasons for that — there is simply less time for people to enroll.

“I’m very concerned about the final couple of weeks, because we’re not where we need to be to match where we were last year,” says Lori Lodes, executive director of Get Covered America. “The administration is not doing the things they need to to drive enrollment.”

Obamacare sign-ups defy Trump’s sabotage campaign

So Tom, 45 days isn't enough time? Really? I'm betting your employee enrollment time is about 45 days? No?

It's probably about right...but that's really not the point. For me, I only get about 3 weeks...but I'm not in anywhere near the same situation as people signing up for the ACA because I'm already covered by an employee plan. It's apples and oranges when you get down to it as I don't have to do any "shopping."

nobody would have had to do any "shopping" to begin with if the obama administration hadn't cancelled 10 million people's health insurance.

but that's what they had to do to force people into the crappy exchanges and the third world coverage.

The mandate could be repealed so people that are laid off don't get fined

I'm shocked that when left with fewer options, the numbers for those options would go up.

(12-07-2017 11:42 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm shocked that when left with fewer options, the numbers for those options would go up.

Yeah, that and the proverbial gun to their heads to sign up or face the tax.

(12-07-2017 11:42 AM)Paul M Wrote:  I'm shocked that when left with fewer options, the numbers for those options would go up.

it's a roach motel. the roaches check in, but they don't check out. every year is the new baseline.

ponzi schemes work the same way.

I wont read Vox, but what I'm guessing is that ACA enrollments are about unchanged, and Trump saved us millions of dollars in the process.

(12-07-2017 11:36 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:23 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:While the White House attempts to sabotage the ACA, it’s clear that appetite for the law hasn’t collapsed. Obamacare sign-ups are up 22 percent from where they were at this point last year.

But Obamacare advocates aren’t celebrating — they’re panicking. They don’t think they can match last year’s enrollment numbers, because the Trump administration cut the sign-up period in half. So even though sign-ups are high now — and there are some clear reasons for that — there is simply less time for people to enroll.

“I’m very concerned about the final couple of weeks, because we’re not where we need to be to match where we were last year,” says Lori Lodes, executive director of Get Covered America. “The administration is not doing the things they need to to drive enrollment.”

Obamacare sign-ups defy Trump’s sabotage campaign

So Tom, 45 days isn't enough time? Really? I'm betting your employee enrollment time is about 45 days? No?

It's probably about right...but that's really not the point. For me, I only get about 3 weeks...but I'm not in anywhere near the same situation as people signing up for the ACA because I'm already covered by an employee plan. It's apples and oranges when you get down to it as I don't have to do any "shopping."

nobody would have had to do any "shopping" to begin with if the obama administration hadn't cancelled 10 million people's health insurance.

but that's what they had to do to force people into the crappy exchanges and the third world coverage.

Simply ridiculous. There were WAY more than 10 million with no insurance to begin with...mainly because they could in no way afford it. Also, would you please share your source for the 10 million figure? Thanks.

(12-07-2017 12:30 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:36 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:23 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:16 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Obamacare sign-ups defy Trump’s sabotage campaign

So Tom, 45 days isn't enough time? Really? I'm betting your employee enrollment time is about 45 days? No?

It's probably about right...but that's really not the point. For me, I only get about 3 weeks...but I'm not in anywhere near the same situation as people signing up for the ACA because I'm already covered by an employee plan. It's apples and oranges when you get down to it as I don't have to do any "shopping."

nobody would have had to do any "shopping" to begin with if the obama administration hadn't cancelled 10 million people's health insurance.

but that's what they had to do to force people into the crappy exchanges and the third world coverage.

Simply ridiculous. There were WAY more than 10 million with no insurance to begin with...mainly because they could in no way afford it. Also, would you please share your source for the 10 million figure? Thanks.

you and the point are complete strangers these days.

the uninsureds weren't the point. forcing healthy insureds out of the individual market and into the third world ACA nightmare was critical to it's survival. that's why the obamites cancelled their policies -- to force them to go shopping for **** they already had. and we're dealing with such large numbers that it's certain that some number of people died out of coverage because they were cancelled, which means that the ACA cancellation, for all intents and purposes, killed them.


10 million is a reasonable number. 6 million policies were cancelled. many policies cover families. 10 mil seems like a low ball reasonable number.

(12-07-2017 12:40 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:30 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:36 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:31 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:23 AM)Crebman Wrote:  So Tom, 45 days isn't enough time? Really? I'm betting your employee enrollment time is about 45 days? No?

It's probably about right...but that's really not the point. For me, I only get about 3 weeks...but I'm not in anywhere near the same situation as people signing up for the ACA because I'm already covered by an employee plan. It's apples and oranges when you get down to it as I don't have to do any "shopping."

nobody would have had to do any "shopping" to begin with if the obama administration hadn't cancelled 10 million people's health insurance.

but that's what they had to do to force people into the crappy exchanges and the third world coverage.

Simply ridiculous. There were WAY more than 10 million with no insurance to begin with...mainly because they could in no way afford it. Also, would you please share your source for the 10 million figure? Thanks.

you and the point are complete strangers these days.

the uninsureds weren't the point. forcing healthy insureds out of the individual market and into the third world ACA nightmare was critical to it's survival. that's why the obamites cancelled their policies -- to force them to go shopping for **** they already had. and we're dealing with such large numbers that it's certain that some number of people died out of coverage because they were cancelled, which means that the ACA cancellation, for all intents and purposes, killed them.


10 million is a reasonable number. 6 million policies were cancelled. many policies cover families. 10 mil seems like a low ball reasonable number.

You're not making any sense. Of the people who lost their insurance, they were either already covered by an employer plan or they were self-insured. For those with employer insurance, in most cases they likely just got another plan from the employer that met the laws requirements. For those who were self-insured, they were already used to shopping for plans, so nothing really changed in how they obtained their insurance...other than their options were changed. And yes, I understand that some had fewer choices.

I would like to see a source on how many actually lost plans without getting another employer plan or another plan on the open market...as well as how many just chose not to get another plan out of spite for the law.