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RE: So who goes to the Summit?
(06-28-2017 08:51 PM)billings Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 05:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Interesting that Montana signed a long term football deal today with UND. Guess it helped that I went on their board this weekend and said the Montanas and Idaho were moving to the Summit as soon as it's truly a plains conference. The Montana AD must have wanted to dispell such heresy among fans!


what a home and home deal? better then the non scholly fcs team they often bring in


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It was announced by UND for 24 and 25. Already playing until 2020.
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RE: So who goes to the Summit?
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(06-28-2017 08:33 PM)NDBison Wrote:  NDSU would certainly object, to the point where the school would block EIU. The MVFC isn't splitting anytime soon, there is no reason for it to split.

If you are going to create a new football league for NDSU, I suggest at least be like Nodak and make it a viable league that can stand on its own. NDSU was in a smaller league before and it was a constant scheduling nightmare.

I'm sure they will object when the MVC starts football and leaves the Summit schools and YSU out.

It's going to happen. You might as well start planning for it

The MVC has no reason to do that and Murray State isn't going to be the reason it happens.

Hasn't NDSU learned it's lesson that the MVC doesn't want anything to do with them?
It's just using NDSU football as a tool, not for a relationship.

Why show much so much respect for a conference when it does give a shiite about your total sports Health? Too many of your fans were spouting off about how NDSU was going to be the next MVC team. It's clear the MVC wants nothing to do with NDSU or SDSU. Why not build something better?
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RE: So who goes to the Summit?
There is no way that SIUE and EIU are leaving the OVC. They simply cannot afford to make a move. The Illinois State budget crisis will keep these schools from moving as well as the exit and entry fees.

The Summit League is not attractive for a D1 school to move to. There is no revenue beyond what any one bid conference gets from the NCAA and there is no national TV exposure. They have one TV market in the top 60, that being Denver.

UMKC wanted to leave the Summit. They got a sweetheart deal from the WAC, which paid the Summit exit fee at the time of $250,000 and waived the entry fee to the WAC of $450,000. There is no exit fee for leaving the WAC. So what would be gained by going back to the Summit?
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RE: So who goes to the Summit?
(06-28-2017 09:19 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  UMKC wanted to leave the Summit. They got a sweetheart deal from the WAC, which paid the Summit exit fee at the time of $250,000 and waived the entry fee to the WAC of $450,000. There is no exit fee for leaving the WAC. So what would be gained by going back to the Summit?

A massive cut in their travel bill is what would be gained.
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RE: So who goes to the Summit?
(06-28-2017 09:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 08:54 PM)NDBison Wrote:  
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(06-28-2017 08:33 PM)NDBison Wrote:  NDSU would certainly object, to the point where the school would block EIU. The MVFC isn't splitting anytime soon, there is no reason for it to split.

If you are going to create a new football league for NDSU, I suggest at least be like Nodak and make it a viable league that can stand on its own. NDSU was in a smaller league before and it was a constant scheduling nightmare.

I'm sure they will object when the MVC starts football and leaves the Summit schools and YSU out.

It's going to happen. You might as well start planning for it

The MVC has no reason to do that and Murray State isn't going to be the reason it happens.

Hasn't NDSU learned it's lesson that the MVC doesn't want anything to do with them?
It's just using NDSU football as a tool, not for a relationship.

Why show much so much respect for a conference when it does give a shiite about your total sports Health? Too many of your fans were spouting off about how NDSU was going to be the next MVC team. It's clear the MVC wants nothing to do with NDSU or SDSU. Why not build something better?

The MVFC has been good for NDSU and NDSU has been good for the MVFC. I'm not against something better, I like the big north idea but I have my doubts about Montana going along with it.
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RE: So who goes to the Summit?
(06-28-2017 09:36 PM)NDBison Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:05 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 08:54 PM)NDBison Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 08:46 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 08:33 PM)NDBison Wrote:  NDSU would certainly object, to the point where the school would block EIU. The MVFC isn't splitting anytime soon, there is no reason for it to split.

If you are going to create a new football league for NDSU, I suggest at least be like Nodak and make it a viable league that can stand on its own. NDSU was in a smaller league before and it was a constant scheduling nightmare.

I'm sure they will object when the MVC starts football and leaves the Summit schools and YSU out.

It's going to happen. You might as well start planning for it

The MVC has no reason to do that and Murray State isn't going to be the reason it happens.

Hasn't NDSU learned it's lesson that the MVC doesn't want anything to do with them?
It's just using NDSU football as a tool, not for a relationship.

Why show much so much respect for a conference when it does give a shiite about your total sports Health? Too many of your fans were spouting off about how NDSU was going to be the next MVC team. It's clear the MVC wants nothing to do with NDSU or SDSU. Why not build something better?

The MVFC has been good for NDSU and NDSU has been good for the MVFC. I'm not against something better, I like the big north idea but I have my doubts about Montana going along with it.

Yeah. You only win 5 FCS championships in a row and make it the best FCS league, but yet they won't give you the time of the day when it comes to other sports.

In contrast, reports were the the Montanas were the only one supporting you and SDSU when you tried to get in the Big Sky several times.
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RE: So who goes to the Summit?
The MVFC has no TV deal. The Dakota Schools have their own deal separate. It's effectively splitting already. Midco could pretty much pick up the entire six school league (it has 4 already).
http://www.inforum.com/sports/4288506-bi...e-upcoming

The only thing the MVFC is in reality is as a 10, soon to be 11 school scheduling arraignment for 8 games, with only 1 AQ. Right now just one school is not played, soon it will be 2 not scheduled, Add a 12th an 3 schools fall off the schedule, rivalries broken (issue in the Big Sky). But add a 12th and the league is eligible for 2 AQ with a split.

The Big Sky was getting serious about splitting that with Idaho coming on board as a 14th to get a 2nd AQ.. The idea was the core 7 Big Sky schools of Montana, MSU, Idaho, EWU, Weber, ISU and likely PSU due to tight geography (unless NAU wanted to stay with the long time rivals) would be in the Big Sky, while the 3 CA schools (Sac St, UCD, Cal Poly) plus the 3 "Great West schools (UND, NoCo, SUU) and probably NAU (unless PSU insisted on being with the CA schools) in the Football only conference. They would have a schedule agreement for 2 games with the other conference, so everyone would stay at 8 games. The idea was to preserve rivalries and get a 2nd outbid. But with rumors of UND leaving, the concept was shelved, as were divisions (13/11 doesn't work well for divisions in anything).

The same factors will be at work with an expanded MVFC. The Summit needs Football, and it would be easy to pull off a split. Effectively football operations could still run out of the one MVFC office, with a single officials pool and training, and core scheduling. There is no TV broadcasting to divvy up, so it's very similar to the Big Sky proposal.

Right now the arraignment benefits the MVC as the MVFC is being placed under their umbrella and the Summit shares an AQ, but does not get the sport counted as part of its conference mix. There is no CCG, and any divisions will be meaningless, except to give the facade of a Summit and a Missouri Valley division (they would have to go along parent conference lines, as UNI and MSU would insist on always playing MVC schools Ill St, Indy St, SIU and any new MVC school like say Murray). Whether the Dakotas like it or not they will not all get to play MSU and UNI in a couple years.

We are a few years off from this, but we say the same negative effects in the Big Sky when NoCo, SUU and UND were added along with football only Cal Poly and UC Davis. A number of traditional games fell off the calendar to make room for those schools -- before it was a full round robin 7 games for 8 schools (Sac St always played UC Davis in the Causeway Classic, so they had 8 traditional games). The MVFC is just one game short of a round robin. UND will make a 2nd game short and 4 current traditional matches fall off the schedule. Add a 12th and 3 or 4 more traditional match ups go by the wayside. Adding UND means NDSU will lose one of it's current rivals. A 12th schools means another rivalry is broken up, possibly (and likely) one of the Dakota match ups will get lost (they can't protect all of them, and have a fair schedule rotation). This is a reality you will face in a few years. I think your attitude will be different when say USD and UNI fall off the schedule.
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RE: So who goes to the Summit?
Western Illinois wants nothing to do with Summit League football. NDSU and SDSU want nothing to do with Summit League football. MVFC is happy at what it is.
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(06-28-2017 11:51 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Western Illinois wants nothing to do with Summit League football. NDSU and SDSU want nothing to do with Summit League football. MVFC is happy at what it is.

Western Ill wants the MVFC way more than the Summit, and the products reveal that. The ASUN could pick up the W Ill exit fee from the Summit and W Ill would accept.

The XDSU's seemed to value to MVFC more in the past too, but with the MVC's total disdain for them all sports-wise, that may should have opened their blind eyes.

Fact is, the MVC/MVFC doesn't offer the XDSU's anything for future growth. But the Big Sky, if it split, does.
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RE: So who goes to the Summit?
both conf had 4 schools in div 1AA fb playoffs
droping marque games for 2nd AQ wouldn't make much sence
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how many schools want to move up to FBS FB
montana's, Idaho
Portland St would be nice, thier struggling
Sac St would be nice
EW, the deer are watching thier games
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(06-29-2017 12:44 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  both conf had 4 schools in div 1AA fb playoffs
droping marque games for 2nd AQ wouldn't make much sence

It's about saving a mbb autobid, which has major financial consequences.
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(06-28-2017 09:23 PM)NDBison Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:19 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  UMKC wanted to leave the Summit. They got a sweetheart deal from the WAC, which paid the Summit exit fee at the time of $250,000 and waived the entry fee to the WAC of $450,000. There is no exit fee for leaving the WAC. So what would be gained by going back to the Summit?

A massive cut in their travel bill is what would be gained.

UMKC estimated that it would cost an additional $160,000 per year in travel to join the WAC. They are required to play $180,000 worth of money games each season to make up for the increase in travel expenses from joining the WAC. That does not seem like a massive cut.

What will happen if they moved to the Summit will be a loss in revenue from the WAC of at least $250,000 (NCAA basketball revenue), an entry fee of $250,000 to join the Summit and an exit fee of $1 million if they ever get that invite to the MVC. So I ask again, what is gained by joining the Summit? Plus the fact that they do not bring baseball, which the WAC does not need from them, but the Summit does.
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I just don't see any school south of I-80 (that's not currently aligned) interested in the Summit given the "I-29 Five" (UxDs, xDSUs, Omaha) are the new core.

Fargo/Grand Forks in January is just where every south BB team want to go.
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If UMKC, FW, and Omaha get picked up in the next round of expansion by the Horizon than they are in more than a pickle, they Summit is toast. Then again, maybe Nodak is a mad scientist type genius because at that point, the Dakotas plus Denver would have to look damn tempting to the Montana schools and Idaho schools. Could be interesting....

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(06-29-2017 10:53 AM)Shox Wrote:  If UMKC, FW, and Omaha get picked up in the next round of expansion by the Horizon than they are in more than a pickle, they Summit is toast. Then again, maybe Nodak is a mad scientist type genius because at that point, the Dakotas plus Denver would have to look damn tempting to the Montana schools and Idaho schools. Could be interesting....

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Weber St is close to Idaho St they have a better athletic program. So either both as travel partners or Weber St if one.

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(06-28-2017 08:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 08:51 PM)billings Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 05:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Interesting that Montana signed a long term football deal today with UND. Guess it helped that I went on their board this weekend and said the Montanas and Idaho were moving to the Summit as soon as it's truly a plains conference. The Montana AD must have wanted to dispell such heresy among fans!


what a home and home deal? better then the non scholly fcs team they often bring in


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It was announced by UND for 24 and 25. Already playing until 2020.

Yeah, that is not a long-term - it is a standard home and home. Once again, NoDak reaches and falls short.
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(06-29-2017 09:27 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:23 PM)NDBison Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:19 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  UMKC wanted to leave the Summit. They got a sweetheart deal from the WAC, which paid the Summit exit fee at the time of $250,000 and waived the entry fee to the WAC of $450,000. There is no exit fee for leaving the WAC. So what would be gained by going back to the Summit?

A massive cut in their travel bill is what would be gained.

UMKC estimated that it would cost an additional $160,000 per year in travel to join the WAC. They are required to play $180,000 worth of money games each season to make up for the increase in travel expenses from joining the WAC. That does not seem like a massive cut.

What will happen if they moved to the Summit will be a loss in revenue from the WAC of at least $250,000 (NCAA basketball revenue), an entry fee of $250,000 to join the Summit and an exit fee of $1 million if they ever get that invite to the MVC. So I ask again, what is gained by joining the Summit? Plus the fact that they do not bring baseball, which the WAC does not need from them, but the Summit does.

Your numbers are off, or maybe their numbers were off

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college...30799.html

Wilson estimates that UMKC spends about 20 percent of its budget on travel for its teams, and “it would be great” if somehow the Kangaroos could cut that in half by moving into a conference where most of its members are in the Midwest.

Of course, as almost all re-alignment posts on CSN, the opinions of posters is irrelevant. The MVC were going to decimate the HL and the Summit. The HL was going to decimate the Summit. The Summit will decimate the WAC. And then you have the crazy theories put out by NoDak.

The MVC and HL did what anyone who was an objective observer could see coming. The two bus leagues, invited a single replacement and stayed bus leagues.

Funny how their is so much Summit "is finished" chatter on here but the NDSU and SDSU pages are quiet. The fans of the two most important schools in the Summit seem rather unconcerned. Why do you think that is?

Oh, and can the Omaha to the HL talk finally die? Omaha are in a financial mess which is not going to improve anytime soon. They would owe $1 million to get into the HL. They would have to pay a $1 million exit fee plus an additional $500,000 for early departure to leave the Summit. Omaha is going nowhere.
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(06-29-2017 11:58 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 08:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 08:51 PM)billings Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 05:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Interesting that Montana signed a long term football deal today with UND. Guess it helped that I went on their board this weekend and said the Montanas and Idaho were moving to the Summit as soon as it's truly a plains conference. The Montana AD must have wanted to dispell such heresy among fans!


what a home and home deal? better then the non scholly fcs team they often bring in


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It was announced by UND for 24 and 25. Already playing until 2020.

Yeah, that is not a long-term - it is a standard home and home. Once again, NoDak reaches and falls short.
As usual, you are so far behind in logic. UND has announced games through 2020. But yet the jump out to 2024 and 25 to get Montana on our schedule. Guess they really despise the travel as you've said.
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(06-29-2017 12:04 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 09:27 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:23 PM)NDBison Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:19 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  UMKC wanted to leave the Summit. They got a sweetheart deal from the WAC, which paid the Summit exit fee at the time of $250,000 and waived the entry fee to the WAC of $450,000. There is no exit fee for leaving the WAC. So what would be gained by going back to the Summit?

A massive cut in their travel bill is what would be gained.

UMKC estimated that it would cost an additional $160,000 per year in travel to join the WAC. They are required to play $180,000 worth of money games each season to make up for the increase in travel expenses from joining the WAC. That does not seem like a massive cut.

What will happen if they moved to the Summit will be a loss in revenue from the WAC of at least $250,000 (NCAA basketball revenue), an entry fee of $250,000 to join the Summit and an exit fee of $1 million if they ever get that invite to the MVC. So I ask again, what is gained by joining the Summit? Plus the fact that they do not bring baseball, which the WAC does not need from them, but the Summit does.

Your numbers are off, or maybe their numbers were off

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college...30799.html

Wilson estimates that UMKC spends about 20 percent of its budget on travel for its teams, and “it would be great” if somehow the Kangaroos could cut that in half by moving into a conference where most of its members are in the Midwest.

Of course, as almost all re-alignment posts on CSN, the opinions of posters is irrelevant. The MVC were going to decimate the HL and the Summit. The HL was going to decimate the Summit. The Summit will decimate the WAC. And then you have the crazy theories put out by NoDak.

The MVC and HL did what anyone who was an objective observer could see coming. The two bus leagues, invited a single replacement and stayed bus leagues.

Funny how their is so much Summit "is finished" chatter on here but the NDSU and SDSU pages are quiet. The fans of the two most important schools in the Summit seem rather unconcerned. Why do you think that is?


Oh, and can the Omaha to the HL talk finally die? Omaha are in a financial mess which is not going to improve anytime soon. They would owe $1 million to get into the HL. They would have to pay a $1 million exit fee plus an additional $500,000 for early departure to leave the Summit. Omaha is going nowhere.
NDSU fans are so cocky that they think the Big12 will take them if the Summit falls apart.

SDSU fans so love their Sioux Falls tournament, that theyou are in denial that other schools look at it as a reason to get the hell out. Did you actually see the IUPUI press conference celebrating their Horizon MARRIAGE? Sioux Falls was mentioned more than once in a joking manner.

BTW, the Detroit News is now saying the the Horizon may go to 16. Also said, IUPUI could also host the Horizon tournament in the Pacers arena as Little Caesars Arena may host future B1G tournaments.
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