(05-12-2017 11:15 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:09 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 07:26 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  2016 had 14,683,000 total viewers for 20 AAC conference games compared to 17,058,000 for 35 games in 2015 and 11,148,000 for 30 games in 2014.

Source: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

P6 getring lots of coverage. Good stuff

What's behind the drop in games from '15 to '16? That jumped out at me, despite the uptick in viewers.

That's most likely the effect of ESPNews games no longer being counted.

(05-10-2017 02:44 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:48 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:10 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 07:26 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Includes conference games across rated platforms. In 2016, Nielsen added beIN to and dropped ESPNEWS from their ratings service.

ECU had 0 games on rated channels. O. That's bs.

ECU had 8 conference games on ESPNews and CBSSN so they weren't counted in this survey. Non conference games were carried on ACCN, SECN, ESPNU, ESPN3. Still a lot of value.

That's probably a reflection of how out of contention ECU was by the time conference play got rolling. Kept getting pushed to the news.

So how does that work? I'm not in Greenville, so I'm streaming the games on whatever they are on at game time either way and not paying attention to the specific channel, but does ESPN flex games like the NFL does mid-season?

In other words, were we slated to play SMU (just a random example) on something other than ESPNews in September, but got moved before the game came around because VT blew us up?

(05-12-2017 11:23 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 02:44 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  That's probably a reflection of how out of contention ECU was by the time conference play got rolling. Kept getting pushed to the news.

So how does that work? I'm not in Greenville, so I'm streaming the games on whatever they are on at game time either way and not paying attention to the specific channel, but does ESPN flex games like the NFL does mid-season?

In other words, were we slated to play SMU (just a random example) on something other than ESPNews in September, but got moved before the game came around because VT blew us up?

ESPN announces the time and network a week or two out I believe. Except for the Thurs-Fri PM games.

Can someone run the numbers for the ACC?

(05-12-2017 11:31 AM)panama Wrote:  Can someone run the numbers for the ACC?

Link to the data is in the first post...so YOU could.

(05-10-2017 12:24 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Thanks to gulfcoastgal for compiling these numbers. Using the ratings for conference games is the most accurate way to gauge a league's drawing power. As great as it is that our league members can get home games with big-name schools, those numbers are artificially inflated. When it's AAC vs. AAC, we are outdrawing the rest of the G5 by a large margin.

And again, just for the record...

THIS IS FOR CONFERENCE GAMES ONLY

You are right, this conference-games-only dataset provides a good apples to apples conference vs conference comparison.
So let's do that...

P6 AAC averaged 734,150 viewers over 20 rated AAC vs AAC games.
That's as many viewers as the average MAC +the average MWC, and we still have 9,000 AAC viewers left over to cover the THREE lowest rated CUSA beIN games.
MORE THAN THE TOP TWO G4 CONFERENCES COMBINED.

MAC was the best G4, averaging 365,714 viewers over their 14 games. Led by their conference championship - Cotton Bowl bound WMU - which would have ranked 5th in the AAC. Best regular season game would have been sixth best in the AAC. Best individual team would be below the AAC middle.
MWC best WAS a regular season game - and again would have been sixth best viewership in the AAC. Powerhouse national brand Boise, with all their home games on ESPN2? Would be #8 in the AAC.
SunBelt actually beat CUSA average viewership, with 229,556 per game - less than one third the AAC. Best game would crack the AAC top 10 games, and best team would be #10 in the American.
CUSA really had their average dragged down by beIN ratings. At the top the conference championship game did almost half of the AAC CCG, and would almost make the AAC top 5. Best regular season game, on ESPNU would be #16 AAC regular season game. Wait, let's really look apples to apples - would be the fifth best AAC ESPNU game.

G4 fans please, please, please STOP coming around here with the "we're all the same" argument.

(05-13-2017 08:15 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:24 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Thanks to gulfcoastgal for compiling these numbers. Using the ratings for conference games is the most accurate way to gauge a league's drawing power. As great as it is that our league members can get home games with big-name schools, those numbers are artificially inflated. When it's AAC vs. AAC, we are outdrawing the rest of the G5 by a large margin.

And again, just for the record...

THIS IS FOR CONFERENCE GAMES ONLY

You are right, this conference-games-only dataset provides a good apples to apples conference vs conference comparison.
So let's do that...

P6 AAC averaged 734,150 viewers over 20 rated AAC vs AAC games.
That's as many viewers as the average MAC +the average MWC, and we still have 9,000 AAC viewers left over to cover the THREE lowest rated CUSA beIN games.
MORE THAN THE TOP TWO G4 CONFERENCES COMBINED.

MAC was the best G4, averaging 365,714 viewers over their 14 games. Led by their conference championship - Cotton Bowl bound WMU - which would have ranked 5th in the AAC. Best regular season game would have been sixth best in the AAC. Best individual team would be below the AAC middle.
MWC best WAS a regular season game - and again would have been sixth best viewership in the AAC. Powerhouse national brand Boise, with all their home games on ESPN2? Would be #8 in the AAC.
SunBelt actually beat CUSA average viewership, with 229,556 per game - less than one third the AAC. Best game would crack the AAC top 10 games, and best team would be #10 in the American.
CUSA really had their average dragged down by beIN ratings. At the top the conference championship game did almost half of the AAC CCG, and would almost make the AAC top 5. Best regular season game, on ESPNU would be #16 AAC regular season game. Wait, let's really look apples to apples - would be the fifth best AAC ESPNU game.

G4 fans please, please, please STOP coming around here with the "we're all the same" argument.

You are unlike any Navy/Army/Air Force fan I have ever seen haha! Damn loyal to the AAC! You remind greatly of a former legend on here who rooted for 12 schools. (11 AAC members plus soon to be member Wichita St and minus ECU)

(05-13-2017 09:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:15 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:24 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Thanks to gulfcoastgal for compiling these numbers. Using the ratings for conference games is the most accurate way to gauge a league's drawing power. As great as it is that our league members can get home games with big-name schools, those numbers are artificially inflated. When it's AAC vs. AAC, we are outdrawing the rest of the G5 by a large margin.

And again, just for the record...

THIS IS FOR CONFERENCE GAMES ONLY

You are right, this conference-games-only dataset provides a good apples to apples conference vs conference comparison.
So let's do that...

P6 AAC averaged 734,150 viewers over 20 rated AAC vs AAC games.
That's as many viewers as the average MAC +the average MWC, and we still have 9,000 AAC viewers left over to cover the THREE lowest rated CUSA beIN games.
MORE THAN THE TOP TWO G4 CONFERENCES COMBINED.

MAC was the best G4, averaging 365,714 viewers over their 14 games. Led by their conference championship - Cotton Bowl bound WMU - which would have ranked 5th in the AAC. Best regular season game would have been sixth best in the AAC. Best individual team would be below the AAC middle.
MWC best WAS a regular season game - and again would have been sixth best viewership in the AAC. Powerhouse national brand Boise, with all their home games on ESPN2? Would be #8 in the AAC.
SunBelt actually beat CUSA average viewership, with 229,556 per game - less than one third the AAC. Best game would crack the AAC top 10 games, and best team would be #10 in the American.
CUSA really had their average dragged down by beIN ratings. At the top the conference championship game did almost half of the AAC CCG, and would almost make the AAC top 5. Best regular season game, on ESPNU would be #16 AAC regular season game. Wait, let's really look apples to apples - would be the fifth best AAC ESPNU game.

G4 fans please, please, please STOP coming around here with the "we're all the same" argument.

You are unlike any Navy/Army/Air Force fan I have ever seen haha! Damn loyal to the AAC! You remind greatly of a former legend on here who rooted for 12 schools. (11 AAC members plus soon to be member Wichita St and minus ECU)

Navy didn't forego successful independence and agree to join the Big East 5+ years ago JUST to make a couple extra bucks. It was ALL about looking ahead to the 2025 timeframe and being on the right side of the next big college football shakeup.
So, yeah, Navy fans should be ALL about the P6.

(05-13-2017 10:24 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 09:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:15 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:24 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Thanks to gulfcoastgal for compiling these numbers. Using the ratings for conference games is the most accurate way to gauge a league's drawing power. As great as it is that our league members can get home games with big-name schools, those numbers are artificially inflated. When it's AAC vs. AAC, we are outdrawing the rest of the G5 by a large margin.

And again, just for the record...

THIS IS FOR CONFERENCE GAMES ONLY

You are right, this conference-games-only dataset provides a good apples to apples conference vs conference comparison.
So let's do that...

P6 AAC averaged 734,150 viewers over 20 rated AAC vs AAC games.
That's as many viewers as the average MAC +the average MWC, and we still have 9,000 AAC viewers left over to cover the THREE lowest rated CUSA beIN games.
MORE THAN THE TOP TWO G4 CONFERENCES COMBINED.

MAC was the best G4, averaging 365,714 viewers over their 14 games. Led by their conference championship - Cotton Bowl bound WMU - which would have ranked 5th in the AAC. Best regular season game would have been sixth best in the AAC. Best individual team would be below the AAC middle.
MWC best WAS a regular season game - and again would have been sixth best viewership in the AAC. Powerhouse national brand Boise, with all their home games on ESPN2? Would be #8 in the AAC.
SunBelt actually beat CUSA average viewership, with 229,556 per game - less than one third the AAC. Best game would crack the AAC top 10 games, and best team would be #10 in the American.
CUSA really had their average dragged down by beIN ratings. At the top the conference championship game did almost half of the AAC CCG, and would almost make the AAC top 5. Best regular season game, on ESPNU would be #16 AAC regular season game. Wait, let's really look apples to apples - would be the fifth best AAC ESPNU game.

G4 fans please, please, please STOP coming around here with the "we're all the same" argument.

You are unlike any Navy/Army/Air Force fan I have ever seen haha! Damn loyal to the AAC! You remind greatly of a former legend on here who rooted for 12 schools. (11 AAC members plus soon to be member Wichita St and minus ECU)

Navy didn't forego successful independence and agree to join the Big East 5+ years ago JUST to make a couple extra bucks. It was ALL about looking ahead to the 2025 timeframe and being on the right side of the next big college football shakeup.
So, yeah, Navy fans should be ALL about the P6.

Navy will always be on the right side of things. The question is, does Navy care about being "P6"?....I don't know if you are a huge Navy fan but I love your enthusiasm for the conference!

(05-14-2017 08:48 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 10:24 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 09:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 08:15 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:24 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Thanks to gulfcoastgal for compiling these numbers. Using the ratings for conference games is the most accurate way to gauge a league's drawing power. As great as it is that our league members can get home games with big-name schools, those numbers are artificially inflated. When it's AAC vs. AAC, we are outdrawing the rest of the G5 by a large margin.

And again, just for the record...

THIS IS FOR CONFERENCE GAMES ONLY

You are right, this conference-games-only dataset provides a good apples to apples conference vs conference comparison.
So let's do that...

P6 AAC averaged 734,150 viewers over 20 rated AAC vs AAC games.
That's as many viewers as the average MAC +the average MWC, and we still have 9,000 AAC viewers left over to cover the THREE lowest rated CUSA beIN games.
MORE THAN THE TOP TWO G4 CONFERENCES COMBINED.

MAC was the best G4, averaging 365,714 viewers over their 14 games. Led by their conference championship - Cotton Bowl bound WMU - which would have ranked 5th in the AAC. Best regular season game would have been sixth best in the AAC. Best individual team would be below the AAC middle.
MWC best WAS a regular season game - and again would have been sixth best viewership in the AAC. Powerhouse national brand Boise, with all their home games on ESPN2? Would be #8 in the AAC.
SunBelt actually beat CUSA average viewership, with 229,556 per game - less than one third the AAC. Best game would crack the AAC top 10 games, and best team would be #10 in the American.
CUSA really had their average dragged down by beIN ratings. At the top the conference championship game did almost half of the AAC CCG, and would almost make the AAC top 5. Best regular season game, on ESPNU would be #16 AAC regular season game. Wait, let's really look apples to apples - would be the fifth best AAC ESPNU game.

G4 fans please, please, please STOP coming around here with the "we're all the same" argument.

You are unlike any Navy/Army/Air Force fan I have ever seen haha! Damn loyal to the AAC! You remind greatly of a former legend on here who rooted for 12 schools. (11 AAC members plus soon to be member Wichita St and minus ECU)

Navy didn't forego successful independence and agree to join the Big East 5+ years ago JUST to make a couple extra bucks. It was ALL about looking ahead to the 2025 timeframe and being on the right side of the next big college football shakeup.
So, yeah, Navy fans should be ALL about the P6.

Navy will always be on the right side of things. The question is, does Navy care about being "P6"?....I don't know if you are a huge Navy fan but I love your enthusiasm for the conference!

There is no guarantee Navy will always be on the right side of things. People on here assuming "political clout" for the service academies don't understand that it is the opposite - we are vulnerable to the politicians. Moves like the now defunct policy to go all reserve commitment to play pro sports risk attacks from both sides of the aisle.
Navy is all in on P6. Gladchuk may be the AD most simpatico with Aresco.
As far as my fandom, feel free to click through to my profile and sample my posts since I got here in July '15.

(05-13-2017 08:15 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 12:24 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Thanks to gulfcoastgal for compiling these numbers. Using the ratings for conference games is the most accurate way to gauge a league's drawing power. As great as it is that our league members can get home games with big-name schools, those numbers are artificially inflated. When it's AAC vs. AAC, we are outdrawing the rest of the G5 by a large margin.

And again, just for the record...

THIS IS FOR CONFERENCE GAMES ONLY

You are right, this conference-games-only dataset provides a good apples to apples conference vs conference comparison.
So let's do that...

P6 AAC averaged 734,150 viewers over 20 rated AAC vs AAC games.
That's as many viewers as the average MAC +the average MWC, and we still have 9,000 AAC viewers left over to cover the THREE lowest rated CUSA beIN games.
MORE THAN THE TOP TWO G4 CONFERENCES COMBINED.

MAC was the best G4, averaging 365,714 viewers over their 14 games. Led by their conference championship - Cotton Bowl bound WMU - which would have ranked 5th in the AAC. Best regular season game would have been sixth best in the AAC. Best individual team would be below the AAC middle.
MWC best WAS a regular season game - and again would have been sixth best viewership in the AAC. Powerhouse national brand Boise, with all their home games on ESPN2? Would be #8 in the AAC.
SunBelt actually beat CUSA average viewership, with 229,556 per game - less than one third the AAC. Best game would crack the AAC top 10 games, and best team would be #10 in the American.
CUSA really had their average dragged down by beIN ratings. At the top the conference championship game did almost half of the AAC CCG, and would almost make the AAC top 5. Best regular season game, on ESPNU would be #16 AAC regular season game. Wait, let's really look apples to apples - would be the fifth best AAC ESPNU game.

G4 fans please, please, please STOP coming around here with the "we're all the same" argument.

We are all the same.

Oh come on, you made me do it.

The Sunbelt keeps trending upward on many fronts. I hope it continues.

When I looked at this awhile back (conference games), I looked at the American vs. the Pac 12.

American had 20 rated games drawing 14.683M viewers for an average of 734K per game.

The Pac 12 had 35 rated games drawing 58.825M viewers for 1.68M per game.

I believe that when Navy home games become part of the conference inventory, we'll have a slight increase in number of rated games and viewers per game. Assume we can deliver 19M viewers for our conference games.

Seems to me that's 1/3 of what the Pac 12 delivers on a total basis, and 1/2 of what the Pac 12 delivers on a per game basis.

I would hope we can get 1/3 of the Pac 12 $$$.

For reference, the American averaged 783K per conference game in 2015. So 2016 was down a little

For further reference, BYU has averaged 893K viewers per home game in 2015 and 2016. So we deliver a similar audience.

I believe BYU gets about $5M a year.

(05-12-2017 11:16 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:15 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:09 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 07:26 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  2016 had 14,683,000 total viewers for 20 AAC conference games compared to 17,058,000 for 35 games in 2015 and 11,148,000 for 30 games in 2014.

Source: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

P6 getring lots of coverage. Good stuff

What's behind the drop in games from '15 to '16? That jumped out at me, despite the uptick in viewers.

That's most likely the effect of ESPNews games no longer being counted.

That's exactly right. I've been thinking about News and ESPN not bothering to re-up with Nielsen. Could it become the ACC network?

The local ACC station here in Raleigh had a TV guy on several months back and asked this exact question. The TV guy said they can't just switch ESPN News to the ACC Network bc it was sold to cable companies and consumers as ESPN News. The ACC Network is a new and different channel. Humorously enough the ACC guys immediately cut him off and ended the segment

(05-10-2017 09:27 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  in this day and age of sophisticated cable boxes---I'm surprised a cable based network even needs neilson to know how many people are watching.

This.

Very difficult to believe the networks don't have more precise data. And if they do, why keep it a secret?

(05-24-2017 09:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 09:27 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  in this day and age of sophisticated cable boxes---I'm surprised a cable based network even needs neilson to know how many people are watching.

This.

Very difficult to believe the networks don't have more precise data. And if they do, why keep it a secret?

Privacy laws may prevent them from either collecting or sharing that info... I'm not stating this definitively, just speculating.

(05-25-2017 09:35 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(05-24-2017 09:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 09:27 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  in this day and age of sophisticated cable boxes---I'm surprised a cable based network even needs neilson to know how many people are watching.

This.

Very difficult to believe the networks don't have more precise data. And if they do, why keep it a secret?

Privacy laws may prevent them from either collecting or sharing that info... I'm not stating this definitively, just speculating.

I would think they definitely have the numbers, makes me wonder what the ESPN 3 numbers look like.

I know for sure ESPN3 are known, because when Netflix was asked about Digital/Streaming viewership, they said no to releasing them but that ALL streaming numbers are tracked not just Netflix. It was in an article were they were asked about Stranger Things and the Marvel shows viewership and if they were comparable to HBO shows numbers.