(05-05-2017 02:26 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The thing with the SBC is if there is an opening either in the West division or East division Missouri State can get placed.

Opening in the west stick in Missouri State.

Opening in the east stick in Missouri St and move Louisiana to the Easy and simple.

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wouldn't USA move instead of Louisiana?

There are only 10 football members in the SBC. If the additions are Missourian state and Eastern Kentucky, USA would be in the West. If there are two additions to the West, USA moves to the East. If there are two additions to the East, Troy moves West.

The Sun Belt needs to save fb room for UALR, which has a study ongoing, and UTA, which has fb potential and both have stadiums.

(05-05-2017 03:21 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 02:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I believe the number that after you go there the money from the CFP doesn't increase is 12 not 10.

I think it was changed this past year to 10.

no, that's to have a CCG. But not for CFP money.

(05-05-2017 03:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 03:21 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 02:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I believe the number that after you go there the money from the CFP doesn't increase is 12 not 10.

I think it was changed this past year to 10.

no, that's to have a CCG. But not for CFP money.

The G5 decided amongst themselves to reduce the "base" payout to $10 million per conference per year, with an additional $35 million distributed on the basis of how each G5 conference performed in football that season relative to the other G5 conferences. Mentioned in this article: https://www.pressreader.com/usa/arkansas...7248116395

(05-05-2017 03:47 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  There are only 10 football members in the SBC. If the additions are Missourian state and Eastern Kentucky, USA would be in the West. If there are two additions to the West, USA moves to the East. If there are two additions to the East, Troy moves West.

The all sport divisions in the SBC look this way now.

East: USA, Coastal, GaSouthern, Troy, App State, Georgia St
West: UTA, Texas St, Little Rock, AState, Louisiana, ULM

http://www.sunbeltsports.org/index.aspx?path=baseball&

If a west division member left, Missouri State fills the open spot in the west division.

If an east division member left, Missouri St goes west and Louisiana goes east.

Football in the SBC doesn't have divisions.

(05-05-2017 02:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I believe the number that after you go there the money from the CFP doesn't increase is 12 not 10.

It is 10. Originally it was 12 but that was changed. That change was revealed when the Sun Belt booted NMSU and Idaho.

(05-05-2017 03:50 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Sun Belt needs to save fb room for UALR, which has a study ongoing, and UTA, which has fb potential and both have stadiums.

Yeah that ain't happening. Chancellor sent an email to all staff disavowing the claims there was a study. Mentioned that until they fully fund all the scholarships for the existing 14 sports that football would not be considered.

UALR already has the highest student athletic fee in Arkansas

So Sun Belt base payment from CFP is $10M/yr, which would mean going to 12 drops the per school payout (from that base payment) to $833k/yr instead of $1M/yr.

UNLESS, the two additional football teams result in the Sun Belt having higher performance and thus earning more additional money than they would have under the old $12M/yr base payment and that older version of the additional.


It's still the same total money that the G5 is getting from the CFP, to divide amongst themselves.


Of course, then on top of all that the Sun Belt has wonky rules about how UALR and UTA in fact get some of the football money for themselves. So it's really like splitting between 13-14 ways (if going up to 12 football members). But maybe those rules could changed if/when two more football members join.

(05-04-2017 05:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I think the window for Missouri State to move to FBS as the member of a conference has about closed. Turmoil in the wake of a Big XII break up is the best hope.

Sun Belt has 12 members 10 playing football and CUSA has 14.
If the two shuffle line ups probability is what's left will not contain 26 school and probably won't contain 24.

Greater chance that if it happens that less schools are affiliated with a league than the chance there are more schools affiliated.

If Little Rock gets the green light to add football? SBC needs to add one more east school to even out to 12. Eastern Kentucky, Liberty or James Madison? They then could add either North Florida or FGCU to make 14 teams. Missouri State would wind up losing out for a SBC spot.

C-USA and SBC west split to form a conference might work minus La.-Monroe.

UTSA
UTEP
North Texas
Rice
Texas State
UTA (non-football)
Arkansas State
Little Rock
La.-Lafayette
La. Tech
Missouri State
Lamar/Central Arkansas/McNeese State/UTRGV/Wichita State(football only)/Central Oklahoma down in the future?

WOW.A sidetrack from the original topic of 40 posts!

BUT---What did we learn?

1. A LOT of folks have advice for Mo. St..
2. Not a single post from a MSU fan to answer said advice.
3. Stever still thinks the CFP money increases all the way to 12 (wrong).
4. Thread goes into a COMA after David St. suggests a cockamamie new conference based on Little Rock starting football.

Not happening.

Little Rock is out of stones.

Well to be fair, I've only seen one MO St fan who posts on here. So if he doesn't have (further) comment on MO St leaving the MVC for a FBS football conference, then that puts a different perspective on your 2. point.

I hope all four of the schools mentioned (Murray St., Valpo, Wisc-Milwaukee, and Neb-Omaha) go to the MVC to shake up the CR world. They could probably do a 20-game league slate to help fill out the schedule.

(05-06-2017 05:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  WOW.A sidetrack from the original topic of 40 posts!

BUT---What did we learn?

1. A LOT of folks have advice for Mo. St..
2. Not a single post from a MSU fan to answer said advice.
3. Stever still thinks the CFP money increases all the way to 12 (wrong).
4. Thread goes into a COMA after David St. suggests a cockamamie new conference based on Little Rock starting football.

Missouri State right now the fan base is similar to how Western Kentucky's was circa 2005 regarding a move to FBS. Half of them are ready, the other are basketball nuts.

St Louis Presidents' meeting is tomorrow night. Valparaiso+Murray for 11 is obvious move on all counts. Looks like Valpo is a certainty. Will be interesting if Murray's President & AD's heavy campaigning on radio shows and social media helps force the MVC's hand. I don't see how you could deny a school with their pedigree (as good as perhaps entire MVC), travels that well, already approved budget increases, and publicly wants in your league BADLY. MVC will (deservedly) get ripped publicly if they don't take the Racers.

The proverbial calm before the storm...

(05-07-2017 09:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I don't see how you could deny a school with their pedigree (as good as perhaps entire MVC), travels that well, already approved budget increases, and publicly wants in your league BADLY. MVC will (deservedly) get ripped publicly if they don't take the Racers.

No they won't. No need to be absurd.

It's a business decision, and no one will care much if Murray isn't taken at this time. They're teed up as Missouri State's replacement, when that time comes. Be patient.


That said, I would not be surprised if MVC took both now. But am leaning towards Valpo only, for now.

But no need to pretend that Murray can do anything resembling "forcing hands".

(05-08-2017 09:10 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 09:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I don't see how you could deny a school with their pedigree (as good as perhaps entire MVC), travels that well, already approved budget increases, and publicly wants in your league BADLY. MVC will (deservedly) get ripped publicly if they don't take the Racers.

No they won't. No need to be absurd.

It's a business decision, and no one will care much if Murray isn't taken at this time. They're teed up as Missouri State's replacement, when that time comes. Be patient.


That said, I would not be surprised if MVC took both now. But am leaning towards Valpo only, for now.

But no need to pretend that Murray can do anything resembling "forcing hands".

This will indeed be a tough decision for the Valley. They will be taking a huge chance if they pass on Murray State now in hopes of getting them the next go 'round. The Horizon is lurking by and I wouldn't be surprised if Murray was one of the teams reached out to. The HL would extend an invitation with the quickening if the MVC just takes Valpo, and Murray State will ALWAYS be an enticement for Belmont.

(05-06-2017 05:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  WOW.A sidetrack from the original topic of 40 posts!

BUT---What did we learn?

1. A LOT of folks have advice for Mo. St..
2. Not a single post from a MSU fan to answer said advice.
3. Stever still thinks the CFP money increases all the way to 12 (wrong).
4. Thread goes into a COMA after David St. suggests a cockamamie new conference based on Little Rock starting football.

for the last 15-20 years the fanbase has been split 50% drop football to dump more resources into basketball. The other 50% want FBS....

Nobody wants to watch FCS football.

We need to take a sunbelt invite if it's on the table, there is no way we can move to a better conference with FCS football and the MVC is a conference that has never had our back. With Creighton and Wichita both gone, there is nobody left in the MVC worth sticking around for. Illinois State is our only real peer in the league. (large state school in a medium size city). All the other schools are private or have half our enrollment.

We are in the LARGEST state without 2 FBS teams, with the NFL gone from STL, now is the time for us to go FBS, and play 1 game in STL every year.