Missouri State could go all Liberty and declare FBS.

And stay in the MVC because it is not a conference sport.

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(05-04-2017 04:34 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:32 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I like cusa going all in on the state schools and jump to 18 with Missouri state, Texas state, Arkansas state and Georgia state. Than add ULL and James Madison and split into 2 ten team divisions.

A CUSA split is being planned. MO St will be part of a new SW conference born of it.

Will that happen before or after WAC returns to FBS football?

(05-04-2017 04:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:34 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:32 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I like cusa going all in on the state schools and jump to 18 with Missouri state, Texas state, Arkansas state and Georgia state. Than add ULL and James Madison and split into 2 ten team divisions.

A CUSA split is being planned. MO St will be part of a new SW conference born of it.

Will that happen before or after WAC returns to FBS football?

When NAU gets in the PAC12 and actually has two Internet posters.

(05-04-2017 04:57 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:34 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:32 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I like cusa going all in on the state schools and jump to 18 with Missouri state, Texas state, Arkansas state and Georgia state. Than add ULL and James Madison and split into 2 ten team divisions.

A CUSA split is being planned. MO St will be part of a new SW conference born of it.

Will that happen before or after WAC returns to FBS football?

When NAU gets in the PAC12 and actually has two Internet posters.

We have three.

(05-04-2017 04:42 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Missouri State could go all Liberty and declare FBS.

And stay in the MVC because it is not a conference sport.

This is true

I think the window for Missouri State to move to FBS as the member of a conference has about closed. Turmoil in the wake of a Big XII break up is the best hope.

Sun Belt has 12 members 10 playing football and CUSA has 14.
If the two shuffle line ups probability is what's left will not contain 26 school and probably won't contain 24.

Greater chance that if it happens that less schools are affiliated with a league than the chance there are more schools affiliated.

(05-04-2017 05:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:42 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Missouri State could go all Liberty and declare FBS.

And stay in the MVC because it is not a conference sport.

This is true

Mo St will have a schedule similar to Wichita St's when they announce fb. They'll be in lockstep with each other all the way towards and beyond FBS ( until the AAC accepts WSU fb).

(05-04-2017 04:43 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:34 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:32 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I like cusa going all in on the state schools and jump to 18 with Missouri state, Texas state, Arkansas state and Georgia state. Than add ULL and James Madison and split into 2 ten team divisions.

A CUSA split is being planned. MO St will be part of a new SW conference born of it.

Will that happen before or after WAC returns to FBS football?

C-USA will not be able to pull off a Big East-style split. The rule that allowed for the birth of the new Big East is no longer in place, chiefly six schools competing in the same conference for five years.

If C-USA does split, it will involve the WAC. C-USA West joins the WAC, and then invites Missouri State and another school from FCS (maybe even the WAC's own UTRGV will be FBS ready by 2025). C-USA East pulls the two GSUs from the Sun Belt and James Madison to get to 10 members. The Sun Belt finally adds Eastern Kentucky and then Kennesaw State to stay in Georgia. The MVC then invites Southeast Missouri State to replace Missouri State, in which case the OVC continues with 10 members.

If the MVC goes to 12 (Valpo/Murray/Milwaukee), the Horizon adds IUPUI and IPFW, the OVC adds WIU, it might be possible for C-USA to split through the Big Sky or Summit. For that to work, though, the Dakota schools would need to be in the same conference as the Montana schools and most likely Idaho and Northern Colorado.

(05-04-2017 05:28 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I think the window for Missouri State to move to FBS as the member of a conference has about closed. Turmoil in the wake of a Big XII break up is the best hope.

When Creighton left 4 years ago and with the Sun Belt digesting new faces it wasn't an easy decision for Missouri State.

Four years have gone by. The MVC is trending toward a 1 bid league. Wichita State your most important rival is now also leaving. Missouri State could do better for itself in the Sun Belt at this point.

The MVC's peak was about 10 years ago when a slew of programs were making noise in the NCAA and 3-4 bids were realistic. The league is not heading back there with Valpo, Murray and whomever else they grab.

If the Sunbelt is still interested in Missouri State, they have Eastern Kentucky that would likely jump in a heartbeat to be team 12.

However, what would the financial incentive by for the Sunbelt to expand at this point? The Sunbelt is in a pretty good spot all things considered.

one thing to remember- any moveups for FBS need to be done by 6/1. So about 4 weeks from now.

(05-05-2017 09:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If the Sunbelt is still interested in Missouri State, they have Eastern Kentucky that would likely jump in a heartbeat to be team 12.

However, what would the financial incentive by for the Sunbelt to expand at this point? The Sunbelt is in a pretty good spot all things considered.

By the same token, what is the financial incentive for any FCS school that doesn't have special circumstances and/or inordinate revenue to move up to FBS at this point?

Liberty has special circumstances as a school with extraordinary financial revenue coming in from their online program that has over 100,000 students. For them, having FBS football as a marketing tool is enough justification to incur the move-up costs. They can also afford to be independent where Liberty has a special nationalized "hook" of online students in the same way that BYU has the national hook of Mormons and Army has the national hook of military support.

In contrast, Missouri State moving up is a fairly "normal" case of a move-up where they're a regional public school that can't just move up to FBS for the sake of moving up: it needs to make financial sense AND they can't afford to be independent. The marketing value of FBS football alone for those types of schools is insufficient. These schools would probably be better off finding a way to make it into the Atlantic 10-level league or (create a Midwestern equivalent) based on basketball from a financial perspective compared to starting FBS football. When these schools are a longshot to be in even an AAC or MWC-level league in 25 years, much less a power conference, then the money (or lack thereof) matters quite a bit.

(05-05-2017 10:20 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 09:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If the Sunbelt is still interested in Missouri State, they have Eastern Kentucky that would likely jump in a heartbeat to be team 12.

However, what would the financial incentive by for the Sunbelt to expand at this point? The Sunbelt is in a pretty good spot all things considered.

it needs to make financial sense AND they can't afford to be independent.

No doubt. If they want to move up it will have to be with the Sunbelt. Coastal Carolina saw a benefit in upgrading so if Missouri st could work out the conference issue in sure they would see a benefit as well

(05-05-2017 10:56 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 10:20 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-05-2017 09:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If the Sunbelt is still interested in Missouri State, they have Eastern Kentucky that would likely jump in a heartbeat to be team 12.

However, what would the financial incentive by for the Sunbelt to expand at this point? The Sunbelt is in a pretty good spot all things considered.

it needs to make financial sense AND they can't afford to be independent.

No doubt. If they want to move up it will have to be with the Sunbelt. Coastal Carolina saw a benefit in upgrading so if Missouri st could work out the conference issue in sure they would see a benefit as well

Coastal moved to become the 10th football playing member of the Sun Belt. Because of the funding structure of the CFP being the 10th member is more valuable than becoming the 11th.

The 10th member is worth $1 million in CFP distribution. The 11th brings no new money and the risk of reduced performance funds.

Remember also that the NCAA does not just distribute funds based on basketball performance. You receive additional funds for every sport you sponsor after the 14th. You get enhanced distribution for every FTE scholarship after 150.

Coastal was looking at probably $1.3 million +/- $150,000 or so just for moving.

Missouri State as an 11th is looking at about one-third that figure in NCAA and CFP funds.

(05-05-2017 09:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  If the Sunbelt is still interested in Missouri State, they have Eastern Kentucky that would likely jump in a heartbeat to be team 12.

However, what would the financial incentive by for the Sunbelt to expand at this point? The Sunbelt is in a pretty good spot all things considered.

Actually, any football expansion of the Sunbelt would probably be football only because they will be at 14 members if full membership is offered thus watering down the NCAA tournament $$.
This is where they are hamstrung a bit by having 2 non-football members.

Exactly, unless ESPN is going to pay the Sunbelt for expanding or the Sunbelt can pick up a team that will make it a consistent multibid conference, there is no financial incentive for the Sunbelt to grow. The Sunbelt is in a great spot

I believe the number that after you go there the money from the CFP doesn't increase is 12 not 10.

The thing with the SBC is if there is an opening either in the West division or East division Missouri State can get placed.

Opening in the west stick in Missouri State.

Opening in the east stick in Missouri St and move Louisiana to the east division.

Easy and simple.

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(05-05-2017 02:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I believe the number that after you go there the money from the CFP doesn't increase is 12 not 10.

I think it was changed this past year to 10.