(11-26-2017 03:27 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 03:21 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 01:24 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  UCSD expected to announce rise into Division I Big West
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spor...story.html

I am not sure why it took so long for the Big West to make what seemed like a no-brainer decision, but congrats to UCSD on their invite to the BW.

Or maybe they're going to add football and jump directly to the Pac-12. DavidSt logic

the proposal for UCSD to go to d1 is to go non-football...

Proposal for Transition to NCAA Non-Football Division I Athletics, Request for Academic Senate Consultation – Fall 2016
http://senate.ucsd.edu/media/247694/ncaa...l-2016.pdf

Looks like UCSD got into the Big West. Good for them.

I have no idea who voted how, nor does the story writer, although he feels free to speculate. And ... it doesn't matter.

The WAC has to focus on APU like a laser beam.

Can you provide a link on where APU has hinted that they want to go to D1?

(11-26-2017 02:14 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Can you provide a link on where APU has hinted that they want to go to D1?

No, but I don't remember seeing a lot of articles about cal Baptist wanting to move up either.

(11-26-2017 03:10 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:20 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:03 AM)Clarity Wrote:  Whoa, didn't expect that to happen.

makes one wonder what ucsd had to pay in order to get into the big west...

or if anyone else is coming with. Any news from Bakersfield?

No.
What a crummy add for the Big west. Accomplishes nothing except dragging down rpi and adding another mouth to feed.

(11-26-2017 02:45 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 03:10 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:20 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:03 AM)Clarity Wrote:  Whoa, didn't expect that to happen.

makes one wonder what ucsd had to pay in order to get into the big west...

or if anyone else is coming with. Any news from Bakersfield?

No.
What a crummy add for the Big west. Accomplishes nothing except dragging down rpi and adding another mouth to feed.

I don't think the Big West really wants to add UCSD right now. I think this is just a preemptive expansion decision to keep the WAC from scooping up UCSD; and further stabilizing its conference. With the way CSUB, UVU, GCU, and Seattle are improving, the WAC is clearly a better basketball conference than the BWC. Cal Baptist will follow suit with the rest of WAC in no time. The option to add UCSD (if the BWC passes now) will only further strengthen the WAC in the BWC's backyard. The BWC is forced to add UCSD now or forever take a back seat the WAC in the future.

(11-26-2017 02:40 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:14 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Can you provide a link on where APU has hinted that they want to go to D1?

No, but I don't remember seeing a lot of articles about cal Baptist wanting to move up either.

Cal Baptist and Azusa Pacific have a very heated rivalry, and APU followed CBU one year later to DII. The article here states that Azusa sees themself as a DI athletic school and very much treasures its rivalry with CBU.

http://www.theclause.org/2014/02/out-wit...-with-cbu/

APU's rival CBU and regional playoff rival UCSD moved up. They now stand out of place down in D-II. They are far larger and better funded than any other D-II school in the West. HSU football situation almost forces them up as well. They are competing against schools like CBU for students.

As for the BW RPI argument, whatever. This is a one bid conference with or without any adds, so that means nothing. The big damage is to the other four UCs recruiting by dilution, so may actually improve the competitive position of the CSU schools. Note, UCSD will not get any travel subsidy money for trips to Hawaii.

(11-26-2017 03:00 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:45 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 03:10 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:20 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:03 AM)Clarity Wrote:  Whoa, didn't expect that to happen.

makes one wonder what ucsd had to pay in order to get into the big west...

or if anyone else is coming with. Any news from Bakersfield?

No.
What a crummy add for the Big west. Accomplishes nothing except dragging down rpi and adding another mouth to feed.

I don't think the Big West really wants to add UCSD right now. I think this is just a preemptive expansion decision to keep the WAC from scooping up UCSD; and further stabilizing its conference. With the way CSUB, UVU, GCU, and Seattle are improving, the WAC is clearly a better basketball conference than the BWC. Cal Baptist will follow suit with the rest of WAC in no time. The option to add UCSD (if the BWC passes now) will only further strengthen the WAC in the BWC's backyard. The BWC is forced to add UCSD now or forever take a back seat the WAC in the future.

Good post, and I agree with most of it. However I think WAC adding UCSD would have been bad because the assumption has to be that they would bail to the BW whenever possible.

(11-26-2017 03:06 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  APU's rival CBU and regional playoff rival UCSD moved up. They now stand out of place down in D-II. They are far larger and better funded than any other D-II school in the West. HSU football situation almost forces them up as well. They are competing against schools like CBU for students.

As for the BW RPI argument, whatever. This is a one bid conference with or without any adds, so that means nothing. The big damage is to the other four UCs recruiting by dilution, so may actually improve the competitive position of the CSU schools. Note, UCSD will not get any travel subsidy money for trips to Hawaii.

It will be interesting to see how Humboldt situation plays out. Without FB, staying D2 makes little sense...however they are in the middle of nowhere so not sure who would want them/where they fit. Agree that the WAC should still be looking APU above everyone else.

You're still over playing the recruiting angle. You realize that UCSD will recruit on a national/global level because of its academics right? They will not depend on the regional recruits like the lower profile UC's.

I'd like to know what it took from UCSD ($$$) to convince the votes to change.

How many international athletes playing Basketball in the Big West or at UCSD?

They are recruiting California kids like everyone else in the conference. UCSD is not going to get Chicago inner city kids.

(11-26-2017 03:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:40 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:14 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  Can you provide a link on where APU has hinted that they want to go to D1?

No, but I don't remember seeing a lot of articles about cal Baptist wanting to move up either.

Cal Baptist and Azusa Pacific have a very heated rivalry, and APU followed CBU one year later to DII. The article here states that Azusa sees themself as a DI athletic school and very much treasures its rivalry with CBU.

http://www.theclause.org/2014/02/out-wit...-with-cbu/

APU also has a rivalry with Biola. I would not read too much into the APU-CBU rivalry as a reason for APU moving to D1. CBU was different and they were giving signs that they were open to moving up. I don't see it with APU at this point in time.

http://athletics.apu.edu/news/2017/9/14/...e-cup.aspx

(11-26-2017 03:00 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:45 PM)CPslograd Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 03:10 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:20 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:03 AM)Clarity Wrote:  Whoa, didn't expect that to happen.

makes one wonder what ucsd had to pay in order to get into the big west...

or if anyone else is coming with. Any news from Bakersfield?

No.
What a crummy add for the Big west. Accomplishes nothing except dragging down rpi and adding another mouth to feed.

I don't think the Big West really wants to add UCSD right now. I think this is just a preemptive expansion decision to keep the WAC from scooping up UCSD; and further stabilizing its conference. With the way CSUB, UVU, GCU, and Seattle are improving, the WAC is clearly a better basketball conference than the BWC. Cal Baptist will follow suit with the rest of WAC in no time. The option to add UCSD (if the BWC passes now) will only further strengthen the WAC in the BWC's backyard. The BWC is forced to add UCSD now or forever take a back seat the WAC in the future.

The BW is ranked 14th, the WAC 11th in conference rpi. Not exactly much of a difference. And Joe Pasternack is bringing in 3* and 4* players to. UCSB. Hawaii will bounce back from their NCAA sanctions, Davis and UCI are going in the right direction too.

So yeah...

(11-26-2017 05:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  How many international athletes playing Basketball in the Big West or at UCSD?

They are recruiting California kids like everyone else in the conference. UCSD is not going to get Chicago inner city kids.

Not a whole lot, but you can find enough ballers anywhere. No reason UCSD will limit themselves to in-stste recruits.

UCSB has a player from Harlem, Seattle, Bellevue (Washington), Layton (Utah) and B.C.

CSUN - one from DC, one from Compton, a few internationals from Guinea, Senegal and the Phillipines. A couple players from Texas, one from Louisville.

And I'm sure there's more examples.

I would much rather be in the stable Big West right now. UMKC and probably Chicago State leaving is going to be a disaster.

(11-26-2017 06:10 PM)Clarity Wrote:  I would much rather be in the stable Big West right now. UMKC and probably Chicago State leaving is going to be a disaster.

The WAC will remain in some form. We can't afford to lose a precious auto bid west of the Rio Grande.

(11-26-2017 06:23 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:10 PM)Clarity Wrote:  I would much rather be in the stable Big West right now. UMKC and probably Chicago State leaving is going to be a disaster.

The WAC will remain in some form. We can't afford to lose a precious auto bid west of the Rio Grande.

I have no problem with UMKC and/or Chicago State staying or going as long as Hurd has new schools lined up to join the WAC. I still think the WAC needs to expand to 12 teams (eventually) in order to cut travel costs and stabilize as a conference.

Here's the thing Hurd doesn't have those schools lined up and D2 move ups take a long time.

(11-26-2017 05:41 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  How many international athletes playing Basketball in the Big West or at UCSD?

They are recruiting California kids like everyone else in the conference. UCSD is not going to get Chicago inner city kids.

davis has 9 of 16 on their roster from out of state. 2 of those from outside the US. Why would UCSD by different (similar academic profiles)? Of course they will have CA recruits...they just won't depend on them like the lower profile UC's.

Stu, you're UC-BW recruiting angle is a lost cause wrt the UCSD add.

(11-26-2017 06:50 PM)Clarity Wrote:  Here's the thing Hurd doesn't have those schools lined up and D2 move ups take a long time.

It's a marathon not a sprint. As long as there are western D2 schools willing to move up every few years, the WAC can build on their conference. We missed out on UCSD but there will be others. I think being in the WAC benefits CSUB. I'm not sure they would prosper as quickly playing in the Big West. I feel teams like NMSU and GCU drive Barnes' competitive hunger. I'm not sure Barnes would want to coach in an all California bus league.