(11-21-2017 02:19 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  UCSD's best chance to land a Big West invitation is to join the WAC first and have some success at the D-I level. Be patient and smart and do what it takes to make themselves an attractive target. Too bad their administration doesn't see it that way.

Per other threads about this topic, I don't think the referendum allows them to consider any other conference aside from the BW.

SDHOrnet,

You are correct. The UCSD referendum does not allow them to pursue another conference, only the Big West. The AD is making a push but to no avail ("how many ways can we say no?"), and his frustration is showing a bit. UCSD needs a new referendum,but this one has another 18 months. The WAC has to wait this one out. In fall 2019 they can vote again and change the language to allow the WAC, which means 2021-22 would be the earliest they could join, since they would need an invite and go to the NCAA to start the process in June 2020.

APU can join anytime they want. They need the Big Sky to take them as a Football affiliate, which I think is possible (as rumor has it, there is growing push at least from EWU to finally split into two conferences, with the 3 --well 4 with APU-- California schools, and I expect SUU, NAU and maybe NoCo in a new Football-only Conference; run out of the office across the hall from the BSC commissioner). which if they decided by Spring would be 2019-20, and if be next year, 2020-21. This would work fine for the WAC with UCSD going back to get a new referendum in fall 2019 to move up in 2021-22.

UMKC move back to the Summit wont do a thing to such a timetable.

Slight correction Stugray, the referendum expires in September 2018 - ten months as of this post.

(11-21-2017 05:54 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  SDHOrnet,

You are correct. The UCSD referendum does not allow them to pursue another conference, only the Big West. The AD is making a push but to no avail ("how many ways can we say no?"), and his frustration is showing a bit. UCSD needs a new referendum,but this one has another 18 months. The WAC has to wait this one out. In fall 2019 they can vote again and change the language to allow the WAC, which means 2021-22 would be the earliest they could join, since they would need an invite and go to the NCAA to start the process in June 2020.

APU can join anytime they want. They need the Big Sky to take them as a Football affiliate, which I think is possible (as rumor has it, there is growing push at least from EWU to finally split into two conferences, with the 3 --well 4 with APU-- California schools, and I expect SUU, NAU and maybe NoCo in a new Football-only Conference; run out of the office across the hall from the BSC commissioner). which if they decided by Spring would be 2019-20, and if be next year, 2020-21. This would work fine for the WAC with UCSD going back to get a new referendum in fall 2019 to move up in 2021-22.

UMKC move back to the Summit wont do a thing to such a timetable.

APU to the Pioneer League for football would be a good thing for University of San Diego since they're the only west coast team in the PL...

the new Football-only Conference was how the Great West Conference got started...things didn't work out well for them...the Big Sky would not go for that concept...

UCSD could push for Sacramento State to go with them to the Big West...the Big Sky would probably try to block that too...

joeben69,

APU gets a lot of their identity from football. I very much doubt they'd go pioneer. But the option is there.

(11-21-2017 09:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  joeben69,

APU gets a lot of their identity from football. I very much doubt they'd go pioneer. But the option is there.

APU could follow the footsteps of GCU...go to the WAC for olympic sports & Big Sky football when NDSU football goes to MVFC...

depending on how the numbers come out in the APU to d1 scenario:
APU football goes to the Big Sky...
APU football goes to the Pioneer...
APU football goes to the way of Nebraska-Omaha...

(11-21-2017 09:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  joeben69,

APU gets a lot of their identity from football. I very much doubt they'd go pioneer. But the option is there.

Which makes the PL even more attractive. USD has been dominating the PL and getting its auto bid into the FCS playoffs the last few years. Stepping into that conference and competing with USD to be the top dog would go over well for APU FB. It would be a nice regional rivalry for them in FCS...much better than anything the BSC could offer from the jump.

(11-21-2017 12:48 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Slight correction Stugray, the referendum expires in September 2018 - ten months as of this post.

Curious what your take is on the UCSD - BW dilemma? Think it happens? If so, under what conditions/circumstances?

(11-21-2017 05:54 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  SDHOrnet,

You are correct. The UCSD referendum does not allow them to pursue another conference, only the Big West. The AD is making a push but to no avail ("how many ways can we say no?"), and his frustration is showing a bit. UCSD needs a new referendum,but this one has another 18 months. The WAC has to wait this one out. In fall 2019 they can vote again and change the language to allow the WAC, which means 2021-22 would be the earliest they could join, since they would need an invite and go to the NCAA to start the process in June 2020.

APU can join anytime they want. They need the Big Sky to take them as a Football affiliate, which I think is possible (as rumor has it, there is growing push at least from EWU to finally split into two conferences, with the 3 --well 4 with APU-- California schools, and I expect SUU, NAU and maybe NoCo in a new Football-only Conference; run out of the office across the hall from the BSC commissioner). which if they decided by Spring would be 2019-20, and if be next year, 2020-21. This would work fine for the WAC with UCSD going back to get a new referendum in fall 2019 to move up in 2021-22.

UMKC move back to the Summit wont do a thing to such a timetable.

No but if Chi State also collapses in conjunction with the UMKC departure then the WAC would have to make an add immediately.

(11-21-2017 09:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  joeben69,

APU gets a lot of their identity from football. I very much doubt they'd go pioneer. But the option is there.

How come? I have no idea and am interested in your reasoning.

Something to watch regarding apu is Humboldt state possibly dropping football.

(11-22-2017 02:50 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  

(11-21-2017 12:48 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Slight correction Stugray, the referendum expires in September 2018 - ten months as of this post.

Curious what your take is on the UCSD - BW dilemma? Think it happens? If so, under what conditions/circumstances?

Short answer: no, and I'm shocked to say that. Most thought they were a lock. But if it does happen, some creativity and ego checking is needed. Like adding Grand Canyon.

Long answer: UCSD ain't getting in by themselves (what's going to change in the next ten months?). CSUB's constant rejections and Sac State's football + hoops RPI concerns make them non-starters for different reasons. No interest for private in-state schools. That means there is nobody left in California.

I believe UCSD's best shot is finding someone(s) outside California to partner up with. For proximity, sports mix and money, that's GCU. Even if the BW does a 180 on Bakersfield, that puts it at an odd 11 members and Commissioner Farrell has said we'd likely go to 12 then. A UCSD / Grand Canyon / Bakersfield packaged trio checks off all balance boxes.

Although I'd much rather take NMSU instead of Bakersfield for nostalgia and strengthening basketball, that first trio is the most likely arrangement for UCSD to get in.

UCSD plus GCU and Bako does not get you an extra bid. Just slicing the pie 3 more ways.

Nope. But what it does is add much needed cash to improve streaming and broadcasting abilities, maintain balance between UCs and CSUs, and provide another out-of-state member to balance out Hawaii. Going to 12 also reduces Hawaii's annual travel subs.

I don't see UCSD getting in alone. They'll need help outside California.

I think everyone is way overlooking the recruiting issue of another UC. The initial grumbling about adding Riverside was they'd lower the RPI. But that has morphed into too many UCs going after too few D-I level athletes. Because UCR ranks below even UCI as a destination, the UCs thought the hit would be less on recruiting, but in reality they have all been weakened by dilution. UCSD is a far more desirable destination than even Davis and Santa Barbara, so they would have a huge leg up in recruiting those few athletes. These schools would be happier with SDSU coming in, because they would not dilute the pool of UC players.

DavidSt is also correct that 11 wont work, so 12, and that is too many mouths to feed.

Do I think an opening may come up for UCSD? Yes, but probably in about a decade, and not if it means transitioning from D-II. The question is, will the UCSD athletic department and boosters recognize this and get a new referendum to cut their teeth in D-I in another conference so they more easily make the case for the Big West in decade? (They can come to them and say, "look we are already D-I, we are already recruiting athletes of UC academic level, so being the Big West or outside has no impact on your recruiting.") That is the question.

UCSD expected to announce rise into Division I Big West
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spor...story.html

Whoa, didn't expect that to happen.

(11-26-2017 02:03 AM)Clarity Wrote:  Whoa, didn't expect that to happen.

makes one wonder what ucsd had to pay in order to get into the big west...

(11-26-2017 02:20 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:03 AM)Clarity Wrote:  Whoa, didn't expect that to happen.

makes one wonder what ucsd had to pay in order to get into the big west...

or if anyone else is coming with. Any news from Bakersfield?

(11-26-2017 01:24 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  UCSD expected to announce rise into Division I Big West
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spor...story.html

I am not sure why it took so long for the Big West to make what seemed like a no-brainer decision, but congrats to UCSD on their invite to the BW.

(11-26-2017 03:21 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 01:24 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  UCSD expected to announce rise into Division I Big West
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spor...story.html

I am not sure why it took so long for the Big West to make what seemed like a no-brainer decision, but congrats to UCSD on their invite to the BW.

Or maybe they're going to add football and jump directly to the Pac-12. DavidSt logic