(03-22-2017 07:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 06:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Hmmm...the more I think about this...I think this would be a good move for the AAC. And not only that, it get Gonzaga interested in the MW and vice versa. Could be a good move to pressure the MW into something.
Also, GU moving to the MW would pressure BYU possibly...but then they don't want football in the G5 conference. They may still be happy to be able to win a conference title with no GU.

Well---if your taking Zags as a non-football----why not take BYU as a non-football? It would be a darn smart addition for the MW.

Too much bad blood it seems. By looking at the football schedules, I see BYU being able to work with the majority of the MWC, but the old guard front range schools seem to be the ones blocking any friendship after the divorce. Maybe someday they'll both come together for the kids (fans)

(03-22-2017 08:09 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 07:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 06:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Hmmm...the more I think about this...I think this would be a good move for the AAC. And not only that, it get Gonzaga interested in the MW and vice versa. Could be a good move to pressure the MW into something.
Also, GU moving to the MW would pressure BYU possibly...but then they don't want football in the G5 conference. They may still be happy to be able to win a conference title with no GU.

Well---if your taking Zags as a non-football----why not take BYU as a non-football? It would be a darn smart addition for the MW.

The Zags are now a national basketball powerhouse and a stronger regional brand in the NW where we have no presence. BYU basketball doesn't have the same history or tourney wins that Gonzaga would provide. They help in basketball where we need more help in while BYU helps in football and we don't want them without football.


Besides....unlike WSU...we don't have to worry about Gonzaga starting up football.

We don't have to worry about Wichita football either. The main reason they were looking at it is because they thought that might be the only way to get into a better conference. In terms of fandom, BYU basketball would be by far the Mountain West most watched team. If we ever expand west, I hope we take them as a non-football program if they aren't willing to be a full member. They add value.

(03-22-2017 11:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 08:09 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 07:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 06:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Hmmm...the more I think about this...I think this would be a good move for the AAC. And not only that, it get Gonzaga interested in the MW and vice versa. Could be a good move to pressure the MW into something.
Also, GU moving to the MW would pressure BYU possibly...but then they don't want football in the G5 conference. They may still be happy to be able to win a conference title with no GU.

Well---if your taking Zags as a non-football----why not take BYU as a non-football? It would be a darn smart addition for the MW.

The Zags are now a national basketball powerhouse and a stronger regional brand in the NW where we have no presence. BYU basketball doesn't have the same history or tourney wins that Gonzaga would provide. They help in basketball where we need more help in while BYU helps in football and we don't want them without football.


Besides....unlike WSU...we don't have to worry about Gonzaga starting up football.

We don't have to worry about Wichita football either. The main reason they were looking at it is because they thought that might be the only way to get into a better conference.

Bingo! The desperation was so great they were willing to gamble millions on starting CFB, but now that has died down from both ends - WSU and the AAC.

(03-22-2017 01:45 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 07:36 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Won't argue with you anymore, as its insulting for someone who wasn't there to argue with me about what I know because I was there. I was there in the summer of 1994 when the SWC ended. So was Attackcoog.

So was I.

Attack really wanted the four leftover SWC schools to work together and rebuild the SWC. The WAC was not his first choice, although he may have preferred it at the time to the uncertainty of going forward with a new league.

Exactly.

Had they gone to the WAC, I always assumed UH would probably end up in CUSA anyway a few years later. But maybe not. That does create an interesting question.

If UH, TCU, SMU, UTEP, and Rice are all left behind in the WAC when the MW is formed---along with Hawaii, Fresno, Nevada, and LaTech---does it change how realignment happens? There is no Houston to sponsor them in CUSA. In fact, CUSA's footprint probably shifts more eastward if UH isn't a founding member and the existing WAC divisional footprint probably looks pretty nice to those Texas teams.

All 5 non-power FBS Texas teams would have been in the same conference along with LaTech. So, when the MW forms, does the WAC just add a couple of teams from the west and become a traditional east/west 12 team conference?

West

Hawaii
Fresno
Nevada
San Jose
UTEP
Boise?

East

Houston
Rice
SMU
TCU
LaTech
Tulsa? or S Miss? or Tulane?

The next time we have some current Big East folks with their usual smug attitude playing all Eddie Haskell innocent, this is how an overwhelming volume view us. But only wants me to add WSU even more. Their aura of privilege, snobbery, and self-love is there for the world to see.

"Wouldn’t it just be grand if Wichita State made the move, Gregg Marshall took a better job, and then UConn bolted for the Big East. You go, Mike Aresco!"

http://www.vuhoops.com/2017/3/22/1501479...tate-uconn

Don't forget how they keep reminding us that they are a "Power Conference" and we're not. News to them, the ACC, SEC, don't consider you with "them" no matter how successful your hoops may be ... and I would not count on them including the Big East in their P5 World if/when that big rumored split off finally occurs.

(03-22-2017 05:31 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Yea - I meant to infer that, but reading over my post it wasn't totally clear. If Wichita's presence, and impact on overall schedule strength, means a non-Wichita bubble team winds up on the right side of last four/first four then they've paid for themselves even if they themselves get left out.

Or if the SOS improvement results in a better seed for our champ that produces one more tournament win, same thing.

In fact, this argument can be made for adding all three: VCU, Dayton and Wichita St.

New Article from ESPN

Quote:The American Athletic Conference will make a decision in the coming weeks and/or months on whether to add Wichita State, a source with direct knowledge of the situation told ESPN Thursday.

A Wichita State source told ESPN that the Shockers would likely accept if asked to leave the Missouri Valley for the AAC.

If this were to occur, it would happen for the 2018-19 season, since it would be too late for the 2017-18 season. Under NCAA rules, if a conference adds a basketball-only member, it must take all of its Olympic/non-revenue sports. That's not the case for accepting a football-only member. The AAC has a football-only member in Navy.

(03-23-2017 09:34 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  If this were to occur, it would happen for the 2018-19 season, since it would be too late for the 2017-18 season. Under NCAA rules, if a conference adds a basketball-only member, it must take all of its Olympic/non-revenue sports. That's not the case for accepting a football-only member. The AAC has a football-only member in Navy.

Why too late? VCU announced in mid-May of 2012 for their departure in less than two months.

PS, While I am nit-picking and foul this morning, I wish the simple "non-football" was only written instead of "basketball only" (incorrect) or "Olympic sports" (not accurate and sounds like an attempt to just be cutesy).

(03-23-2017 09:17 AM)MemTGRS Wrote:  The next time we have some current Big East folks with their usual smug attitude playing all Eddie Haskell innocent, this is how an overwhelming volume view us. But only wants me to add WSU even more. Their aura of privilege, snobbery, and self-love is there for the world to see.

LOL, you're really aging yourself there!

But still a true point. Adding Wichita will strengthen AAC basketball and won't do any damage to the league nor to any of its individual members. No reason at all not to move forward with this.

(03-23-2017 09:34 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  New Article from ESPN

Quote:If this were to occur, it would happen for the 2018-19 season.

You know what else happens for the 2018-19 season? Navy football joins the inventory.

I am sure Aresco is trying to use the addition of Navy and Wichita St as a way to renegotiate the TV deal two years early.

(03-23-2017 12:53 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:34 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  New Article from ESPN

Quote:If this were to occur, it would happen for the 2018-19 season.

You know what else happens for the 2018-19 season? Navy football joins the inventory.

I am sure Aresco is trying to use the addition of Navy and Wichita St as a way to renegotiate the TV deal two years early.

As we all have seen, he is a TV genius.

(03-23-2017 12:53 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:34 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  New Article from ESPN

Quote:If this were to occur, it would happen for the 2018-19 season.

You know what else happens for the 2018-19 season? Navy football joins the inventory.

I am sure Aresco is trying to use the addition of Navy and Wichita St as a way to renegotiate the TV deal two years early.

We may even already be in negotiations in anticipation of those events.

(03-23-2017 09:17 AM)MemTGRS Wrote:  The next time we have some current Big East folks with their usual smug attitude playing all Eddie Haskell innocent, this is how an overwhelming volume view us. But only wants me to add WSU even more. Their aura of privilege, snobbery, and self-love is there for the world to see.

"Wouldn’t it just be grand if Wichita State made the move, Gregg Marshall took a better job, and then UConn bolted for the Big East. You go, Mike Aresco!"

http://www.vuhoops.com/2017/3/22/1501479...tate-uconn

Don't forget how they keep reminding us that they are a "Power Conference" and we're not. News to them, the ACC, SEC, don't consider you with "them" no matter how successful your hoops may be ... and I would not count on them including the Big East in their P5 World if/when that big rumored split off finally occurs.

Apologies for that article. Some of us still seem to think we get a cookie or something if you fail.

(03-22-2017 06:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:22 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:00 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:46 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 07:41 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I think Wichita State to the AAC is all but a done deal... Solid basketball program for this league and off sets Navy nicely.

Crossing the T's.

I think its a pipe dream. If it's all the rage on Twitter, how come its not trending? How come the great Pete Thamel is quiet on this "all but a done deal" invite?

AAC football side isn't being messed with and the smoke keeps getting thicker.

You say that and yet I see nothing on Twitter, CBS Sports, ESPN and others. The only thing I've seen is a local story linked in this thread. If that's your definition of "the smoke keeps getting thicker"? Good for you.

Well other than SI, there's the Tulsa World, Hartford Courant and Cincinnati Enquirer all saying basically the same thing: that all indications are that Wichita St is joining very soon. "Sources say"--the best "source" is "university presidents" according to these articles. There is a lot of smoke. Too much to ignore IMHO.
Cheers!

I take articles with the fabled "sources say" as pure bunk. If it's such a done deal why are these "sources" not putting their name on it? You say there's too much to ignore and I say you're seeing things that quite possibly just aren't there.

It's a done deal... book it.

(03-23-2017 03:25 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 06:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:22 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:00 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:46 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  I think its a pipe dream. If it's all the rage on Twitter, how come its not trending? How come the great Pete Thamel is quiet on this "all but a done deal" invite?

AAC football side isn't being messed with and the smoke keeps getting thicker.

You say that and yet I see nothing on Twitter, CBS Sports, ESPN and others. The only thing I've seen is a local story linked in this thread. If that's your definition of "the smoke keeps getting thicker"? Good for you.

Well other than SI, there's the Tulsa World, Hartford Courant and Cincinnati Enquirer all saying basically the same thing: that all indications are that Wichita St is joining very soon. "Sources say"--the best "source" is "university presidents" according to these articles. There is a lot of smoke. Too much to ignore IMHO.
Cheers!

I take articles with the fabled "sources say" as pure bunk. If it's such a done deal why are these "sources" not putting their name on it? You say there's too much to ignore and I say you're seeing things that quite possibly just aren't there.

They're not putting their name on it because that's the nature of business deals. The Shockers are gonna be your homies, friend!

(03-23-2017 03:45 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 03:25 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 06:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:22 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:00 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  AAC football side isn't being messed with and the smoke keeps getting thicker.

You say that and yet I see nothing on Twitter, CBS Sports, ESPN and others. The only thing I've seen is a local story linked in this thread. If that's your definition of "the smoke keeps getting thicker"? Good for you.

Well other than SI, there's the Tulsa World, Hartford Courant and Cincinnati Enquirer all saying basically the same thing: that all indications are that Wichita St is joining very soon. "Sources say"--the best "source" is "university presidents" according to these articles. There is a lot of smoke. Too much to ignore IMHO.
Cheers!

I take articles with the fabled "sources say" as pure bunk. If it's such a done deal why are these "sources" not putting their name on it? You say there's too much to ignore and I say you're seeing things that quite possibly just aren't there.

They're not putting their name on it because that's the nature of business deals. The Shockers are gonna be your homies, friend!

That excuse is lame and quite frankly insulting. Either put your name on it, anonymous source(s), or STFU!!!!!!!

(03-23-2017 03:41 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  It's a done deal... book it.

Really? You got a link to an article stating such things? and don't come at me with that insulting Katz article either. There's nothing in there saying they've been invited.

(03-23-2017 05:10 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 03:41 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  It's a done deal... book it.

Really? You got a link to an article stating such things? and don't come at me with that insulting Katz article either. There's nothing in there saying they've been invited.

I don't -- just my opinion. I am very confident this is a done deal.

I don't think DefConn will be convinced until his Huskies have to travel to Wichita