(03-22-2017 09:46 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 09:38 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  We'd be far better off with VCU (FCS) or even Wichita State (no FB, but at least has facilities...) than trying to get Dayton to jump.

VCU doesn't have any level of football.

I stand corrected.

(03-22-2017 09:58 AM)CornellCoog Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 07:36 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 01:28 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  From 1996-1998 the 16 member WAC had just 7 total bowl games. The WAC was a disaster. There's a reason it only last 3 football seasons. Nothing epitomized the disaster as much as 10-2 Wyoming not getting a bowl game in 1997. Overall, 14 WAC teams finished with winning records but no bowl game to play in.

UH was very wise to go East to the CUSA and not West to the boondocks.

Won't argue with you anymore, as its insulting for someone who wasn't there to argue with me about what I know because I was there. I was there in the summer of 1994 when the SWC ended. So was Attackcoog. Going to the WAC back then wasnt considered going to the Boondocks. You are using Wikipedia to make your points. You weren't there. Several errors you made, but I'll just get into one obvious one: there weren't that many bowls in 1996 to 1998. Look at the Bowls where the CUSA teams went to during this period (Liberty and Boise Idaho vs Big West) and look at some of the Bowls where WAC teams went: Cotton, Holiday, Copper, Sun. You also said Holiday Bowl ended for WAC in 1996." WAC member CSU beat Missouri in 97 Holiday Bowl. We were there, you were not.

I was there. I've been a part of UH since 1967. If you cannot handle being wrong, you might want to get off message boards.

I can handle being wrong. I don't think I'm wrong on this topic, but no point in arguing with you anymore.

(03-22-2017 07:36 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Won't argue with you anymore, as its insulting for someone who wasn't there to argue with me about what I know because I was there. I was there in the summer of 1994 when the SWC ended. So was Attackcoog.

So was I.

Attack really wanted the four leftover SWC schools to work together and rebuild the SWC. The WAC was not his first choice, although he may have preferred it at the time to the uncertainty of going forward with a new league.

UC's Conference affiliation for MBB:

1975-1991 • Metro Conference
1991-1995 • Great Midwest Conference
1995-2005 • Conference USA
2005-2013 • Big East Conference
2013-2017 • American Athletic Conference

Edit: response to comments earlier in the thread

(03-22-2017 06:15 AM)chess Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:33 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:00 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:46 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 07:41 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I think Wichita State to the AAC is all but a done deal... Solid basketball program for this league and off sets Navy nicely.

Crossing the T's.

I think its a pipe dream. If it's all the rage on Twitter, how come its not trending? How come the great Pete Thamel is quiet on this "all but a done deal" invite?

AAC football side isn't being messed with and the smoke keeps getting thicker.

See, I would love for them to add football back. I'd also love for VCU and Dayton to upgrade their facilities so we can add them in football, too. We should be a football-centric conference that happens to have great hoops, not a hybrid like the Big East used to be.

VCU has a first class basketball arena. It is less than 10 years old (memory). VCU previously played in the Richmond Coliseum.

I was talking about VCU and Dayton upgrading their football facilities. I should've specified that in my post. I love the idea of bringing in all three schools. I just want all three to be football members as well. Just like I want Navy to join us in all sports. That's all. (And yes, I know it would oversaturate Ohio. But I think they can handle it. I mean the state of Texas has how many schools in what was once known as Div. I-A? That said, yes, Dayton would have to completely revamp their program and put them on scholarship status. But like I said I think it can be done. Nothing is impossible.)

(03-21-2017 11:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:33 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:00 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:46 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 07:41 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  I think Wichita State to the AAC is all but a done deal... Solid basketball program for this league and off sets Navy nicely.

Crossing the T's.

I think its a pipe dream. If it's all the rage on Twitter, how come its not trending? How come the great Pete Thamel is quiet on this "all but a done deal" invite?

AAC football side isn't being messed with and the smoke keeps getting thicker.

See, I would love for them to add football back. I'd also love for VCU and Dayton to upgrade their facilities so we can add them in football, too. We should be a football-centric conference that happens to have great hoops, not a hybrid like the Big East used to be.

That's exactly what the hybrid allows. You can be football centric--yet still have great basketball.

In a hybrid you can add a few basketball schools to significantly upgrade basketball without being stuck with the new schools crappy start up football teams dragging down the football side. It's actually the most effecient way to emphasize football first while still making sure basketball is strong.

Fair enough.

(03-22-2017 02:54 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 06:15 AM)chess Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:33 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:00 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:46 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  I think its a pipe dream. If it's all the rage on Twitter, how come its not trending? How come the great Pete Thamel is quiet on this "all but a done deal" invite?

AAC football side isn't being messed with and the smoke keeps getting thicker.

See, I would love for them to add football back. I'd also love for VCU and Dayton to upgrade their facilities so we can add them in football, too. We should be a football-centric conference that happens to have great hoops, not a hybrid like the Big East used to be.

VCU has a first class basketball arena. It is less than 10 years old (memory). VCU previously played in the Richmond Coliseum.

I was talking about VCU and Dayton upgrading their football facilities. I should've specified that in my post. I love the idea of bringing in all three schools. I just want all three to be football members as well. Just like I want Navy to join us in all sports. That's all. (And yes, I know it would oversaturate Ohio. But I think they can handle it. I mean the state of Texas has how many schools in what was once known as Div. I-A? That said, yes, Dayton would have to completely revamp their program and put them on scholarship status. But like I said I think it can be done. Nothing is impossible.)

With football in mind I much rather go after an FBS football ready like UMass for example... All they would need to do is invest in their football facilities, biggest issue with them though they won't invest in their football unless an invite is secure first. Definitely not the mindsets we want in this league.

Wichita State is the only program I want, they solve some of our basketball concerns almost immediately and they offset Navy.

(03-21-2017 08:51 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote:  There is a lot of information going around. Several from people I trust. Many from people I do not. But, those who have proven in the know have yet to let me down. But, it is a big WHEN concerning the IF.

Well Pete Thamel, a man that allegedly has the pulse of CR and 9 times out of 10 has been proven right, has said nary a word. Also, it allegedly was all over Twitter last night, yet I could find nothing on it. No trends, no mentions from the guru's of CR...nothing. I'm sure the "Add Wichita St yesterday" crowd will interpret what I just wrote as me being wrong on WSU getting an invite. If that's how you all feel, good for you.

Not to mention, to my fellow UCONN fan who thinks WSU will pull its weight financially via tourney credits and extra tourney bids? You really need to get in touch with me, as I've got some prime Arizona beachfront property to sell you.

(03-22-2017 01:46 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  UC's Conference affiliation for MBB:

1975-1991 • Metro Conference
1991-1995 • Great Midwest Conference
1995-2005 • Conference USA
2005-2013 • Big East Conference
2013-2017 • American Athletic Conference

Edit: response to comments earlier in the thread

Cincy was a founding member of the following conferences, and subsequently left each of them

MAC 1946
Metro 1975
Great Midwest 1991
CUSA 1996

Also a founding member of the American in 2013, of course.

(03-21-2017 11:00 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:46 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 07:41 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 06:53 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 05:16 PM)RoyalShock Wrote:  Not a lot of new info, but it's something.

http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wic...45788.html

There is normally smoke around realignment with no fire. This time I think there is fire. Adding one makes sense to balance out Navy. VCU is on their 3rd conference in a short time frame, and just lost their coach. Dayton would be a monster get, but not sure of timing and then still imbalanced unless you add someone else.

There is a big time opportunity next year for WSU, SMU, Cincy, and others next year to all make steps forward towards the NCAA tournament.

I think Wichita State to the AAC is all but a done deal... Solid basketball program for this league and off sets Navy nicely.

Crossing the T's.

I think its a pipe dream. If it's all the rage on Twitter, how come its not trending? How come the great Pete Thamel is quiet on this "all but a done deal" invite?

AAC football side isn't being messed with and the smoke keeps getting thicker.

You say that and yet I see nothing on Twitter, CBS Sports, ESPN and others. The only thing I've seen is a local story linked in this thread. If that's your definition of "the smoke keeps getting thicker"? Good for you.

(03-22-2017 04:16 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:51 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote:  There is a lot of information going around. Several from people I trust. Many from people I do not. But, those who have proven in the know have yet to let me down. But, it is a big WHEN concerning the IF.

Well Pete Thamel, a man that allegedly has the pulse of CR and 9 times out of 10 has been proven right, has said nary a word. Also, it allegedly was all over Twitter last night, yet I could find nothing on it. No trends, no mentions from the guru's of CR...nothing. I'm sure the "Add Wichita St yesterday" crowd will interpret what I just wrote as me being wrong on WSU getting an invite. If that's how you all feel, good for you.

Not to mention, to my fellow UCONN fan who thinks WSU will pull its weight financially via tourney credits and extra tourney bids? You really need to get in touch with me, as I've got some prime Arizona beachfront property to sell you.

As a non-football member Wichita would likely be getting something in the neighborhood of $500k a year from the conference. Maybe less. An NCAA Tourney credit is about $1.6 million. If Wichita's presence means the conference gets one extra at-large bid or (not and) one additional NCAA tourney win every three-year period they've already paid for themselves. That's without looking at any additional added value to the media or increased ticket sales or anything else. Football's the sport that bleeds red ink at this level, not basketball.

(03-22-2017 04:53 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:16 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:51 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote:  There is a lot of information going around. Several from people I trust. Many from people I do not. But, those who have proven in the know have yet to let me down. But, it is a big WHEN concerning the IF.

Well Pete Thamel, a man that allegedly has the pulse of CR and 9 times out of 10 has been proven right, has said nary a word. Also, it allegedly was all over Twitter last night, yet I could find nothing on it. No trends, no mentions from the guru's of CR...nothing. I'm sure the "Add Wichita St yesterday" crowd will interpret what I just wrote as me being wrong on WSU getting an invite. If that's how you all feel, good for you.

Not to mention, to my fellow UCONN fan who thinks WSU will pull its weight financially via tourney credits and extra tourney bids? You really need to get in touch with me, as I've got some prime Arizona beachfront property to sell you.

As a non-football member Wichita would likely be getting something in the neighborhood of $500k a year from the conference. Maybe less. An NCAA Tourney credit is about $1.6 million. If Wichita's presence means the conference gets one extra at-large bid or (not and) one additional NCAA tourney win every three-year period they've already paid for themselves. That's without looking at any additional added value to the media or increased ticket sales or anything else. Football's the sport that bleeds red ink at this level, not basketball.

This.

(03-22-2017 04:53 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:16 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:51 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote:  There is a lot of information going around. Several from people I trust. Many from people I do not. But, those who have proven in the know have yet to let me down. But, it is a big WHEN concerning the IF.

Well Pete Thamel, a man that allegedly has the pulse of CR and 9 times out of 10 has been proven right, has said nary a word. Also, it allegedly was all over Twitter last night, yet I could find nothing on it. No trends, no mentions from the guru's of CR...nothing. I'm sure the "Add Wichita St yesterday" crowd will interpret what I just wrote as me being wrong on WSU getting an invite. If that's how you all feel, good for you.

Not to mention, to my fellow UCONN fan who thinks WSU will pull its weight financially via tourney credits and extra tourney bids? You really need to get in touch with me, as I've got some prime Arizona beachfront property to sell you.

As a non-football member Wichita would likely be getting something in the neighborhood of $500k a year from the conference. Maybe less. An NCAA Tourney credit is about $1.6 million. If Wichita's presence means the conference gets one extra at-large bid or (not and) one additional NCAA tourney win every three-year period they've already paid for themselves. That's without looking at any additional added value to the media or increased ticket sales or anything else. Football's the sport that bleeds red ink at this level, not basketball.

Another thing to consider---they don't even need to get an NCAA bid to create value. Their presence on the schedule may be the boost that gets ANOTHER AAC bubble team into the tourney. What Im seeing is that once a conference reaches a certain critical mass of good teams---they all essentially help one another in the leagues quest for NCAA at large bids.

(03-22-2017 05:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:53 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 04:16 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:51 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote:  There is a lot of information going around. Several from people I trust. Many from people I do not. But, those who have proven in the know have yet to let me down. But, it is a big WHEN concerning the IF.

Well Pete Thamel, a man that allegedly has the pulse of CR and 9 times out of 10 has been proven right, has said nary a word. Also, it allegedly was all over Twitter last night, yet I could find nothing on it. No trends, no mentions from the guru's of CR...nothing. I'm sure the "Add Wichita St yesterday" crowd will interpret what I just wrote as me being wrong on WSU getting an invite. If that's how you all feel, good for you.

Not to mention, to my fellow UCONN fan who thinks WSU will pull its weight financially via tourney credits and extra tourney bids? You really need to get in touch with me, as I've got some prime Arizona beachfront property to sell you.

As a non-football member Wichita would likely be getting something in the neighborhood of $500k a year from the conference. Maybe less. An NCAA Tourney credit is about $1.6 million. If Wichita's presence means the conference gets one extra at-large bid or (not and) one additional NCAA tourney win every three-year period they've already paid for themselves. That's without looking at any additional added value to the media or increased ticket sales or anything else. Football's the sport that bleeds red ink at this level, not basketball.

Another thing to consider---they don't even need to get an NCAA bid to create value. Their presence on the schedule may be the boost that gets ANOTHER AAC bubble team into the tourney. What Im seeing is that once a conference reaches a certain critical mass of good teams---they all essentially help one another in the leagues quest for NCAA at large bids.

Yea - I meant to infer that, but reading over my post it wasn't totally clear. If Wichita's presence, and impact on overall schedule strength, means a non-Wichita bubble team winds up on the right side of last four/first four then they've paid for themselves even if they themselves get left out.

(03-22-2017 04:22 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 11:00 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 08:46 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 07:41 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-21-2017 06:53 PM)Downtown Shocker Brown Wrote:  There is normally smoke around realignment with no fire. This time I think there is fire. Adding one makes sense to balance out Navy. VCU is on their 3rd conference in a short time frame, and just lost their coach. Dayton would be a monster get, but not sure of timing and then still imbalanced unless you add someone else.

There is a big time opportunity next year for WSU, SMU, Cincy, and others next year to all make steps forward towards the NCAA tournament.

I think Wichita State to the AAC is all but a done deal... Solid basketball program for this league and off sets Navy nicely.

Crossing the T's.

I think its a pipe dream. If it's all the rage on Twitter, how come its not trending? How come the great Pete Thamel is quiet on this "all but a done deal" invite?

AAC football side isn't being messed with and the smoke keeps getting thicker.

You say that and yet I see nothing on Twitter, CBS Sports, ESPN and others. The only thing I've seen is a local story linked in this thread. If that's your definition of "the smoke keeps getting thicker"? Good for you.

Well other than SI, there's the Tulsa World, Hartford Courant and Cincinnati Enquirer all saying basically the same thing: that all indications are that Wichita St is joining very soon. "Sources say"--the best "source" is "university presidents" according to these articles. There is a lot of smoke. Too much to ignore IMHO.
Cheers!

Hmmm...the more I think about this...I think this would be a good move for the AAC. And not only that, it get Gonzaga interested in the MW and vice versa. Could be a good move to pressure the MW into something.
Also, GU moving to the MW would pressure BYU possibly...but then they don't want football in the G5 conference. They may still be happy to be able to win a conference title with no GU.

(03-22-2017 06:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Hmmm...the more I think about this...I think this would be a good move for the AAC. And not only that, it get Gonzaga interested in the MW and vice versa. Could be a good move to pressure the MW into something.
Also, GU moving to the MW would pressure BYU possibly...but then they don't want football in the G5 conference. They may still be happy to be able to win a conference title with no GU.

Well---if your taking Zags as a non-football----why not take BYU as a non-football? It would be a darn smart addition for the MW.

I mentioned this on the other board, but I'd like the idea of URI. They've had some good seasons lately, and they would give UConn + Temple something close by. UConn is sort of isolated right now, and that's not good for the health of the league.

WSU brings great basketball and pairs really well with Tulsa/UH/SMU, but I could make a case that we're already developed enough out west in terms of number of schools.

(03-22-2017 07:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 06:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Hmmm...the more I think about this...I think this would be a good move for the AAC. And not only that, it get Gonzaga interested in the MW and vice versa. Could be a good move to pressure the MW into something.
Also, GU moving to the MW would pressure BYU possibly...but then they don't want football in the G5 conference. They may still be happy to be able to win a conference title with no GU.

Well---if your taking Zags as a non-football----why not take BYU as a non-football? It would be a darn smart addition for the MW.

The Zags are now a national basketball powerhouse and a stronger regional brand in the NW where we have no presence. BYU basketball doesn't have the same history or tourney wins that Gonzaga would provide. They help in basketball where we need more help in while BYU helps in football and we don't want them without football.


Besides....unlike WSU...we don't have to worry about Gonzaga starting up football.

Hartford courant had a big article on this

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