(03-09-2017 12:43 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  This is a Top 25 job. We don't have to settle for a Forbes or Kennedy; but it's a moot point cause Tubby ain't walking away from over $13M guaranteed unless he is a convicted serial killer.

Huh?

If anything by now, just looking at past searches, you get what you can get.

UF was a Top 25 program and they didn't steal some big name coach. Hell, Donovan wouldn't leave UF to go to UK.

tOSU got Thad Matta from Xavier (via Butler). UConn promoted a relatively inexperienced assistant after Calhoun left.

Most schools have two options: and up and comer or a retread.

(03-09-2017 12:51 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 12:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Is anyone on the board surprised to hear that Andy Kennedy is three years younger than Steve Forbes?

Not anti-Forbes, but I think some feel he is younger that he is, since he just got a D1 job 2 years ago. He'll be 52 in a couple of weeks.

Tubby ain't leaving, but I hope we go young with our next hire in a few years.

The age doesn't bother me. 52 isn't that old.

What I like about Forbes is the hope of what he could be when given the keys to a program like Memphis. He's an unknown, but there is a lot of optimism around him.

AK may be younger in age, but he's had his chance to prove what he can do. And he's proven to be very mediocre. No one is knocking down his door to hire him away.

I got ya. My feeling is that a lot of people think he is in his late 30s or early 40s, a young up-and-coming coach. Just something to consider.

(03-09-2017 11:32 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  Sounds like Hometown Tiger has something against Steve Forbes

Must be the Show Cause that turns Hometown away...

(03-09-2017 12:55 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:32 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  Sounds like Hometown Tiger has something against Steve Forbes

Must be the Show Cause that turns Hometown away...

Good article about the situation.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketb...-deserves/

(03-09-2017 11:06 AM)450bench Wrote:  I've been a Forbes bandwagon card member forever...people here probably got sick of that entire topic...I'm behind Tubby but if he were to leave, for whatever reason, I'd jump back on that SF bandwagon quickly.

You have my axe.

(03-09-2017 12:39 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 12:05 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:53 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:44 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:35 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  AK and Ole Miss have been irrelevant since he arrived there. Relevance in college bball, in my opinion, means having a team that is ranked throughout most of a season and/or makes a S16 run. You could also add earning respect from a national audience as a tough team that knows how to play (e.g. Butler, Wichita St. Gonzaga, Villanova, etc.) Ole Miss does not fall into this category.

Yeah and ETSU is nationally relevant?

AK is at friggin Ole Miss! That program is a bottom-5 major conference program in all of CBB. And he's consistently competed in the SEC. He's won the league. He's made NCAAs. He's upset higher seeds. He's attracted transfers and international players. He's had All-SEC players consistently.

He's done a lot at an absolute crap program - all things considered. No history. No fan support. No booster support. Beyond terrible facilities. No local recruits. Etc...

I think that would translate to more success at a program that gave him some stuff to work with.

Greg Marshall calling on line 2. He said it is possible to be relevant at a "crap program".

Would you rather hire Greg Marshall or Andy Kennedy? I think we both know the answer to that.

Again, we don't know Forbes' ceiling yet. He could be a Greg Marshall type. We know AK isn't.

WSU plays 1-AA football. It's all they have.

OM puts so much emphasis on football that they are under NCAA investigation. That is their cash cow.

I still think Marshall is superb, and all things considered, would take him over AK. That being said, Memphis has had two opportunities to get AK and have whiffed.

Billy Donovan is on line 1. He says you can win big in bball at a football first SEC school.

No comparison

Florida had history and support. Especially when compared to Ole Miss.

Just admit you don't want AK because he's a big goober and coaches at Ole Miss. Don't try to act like Ole Miss and Florida basketball were ever comparable, even before the Donovan run

(03-09-2017 12:55 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:32 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  Sounds like Hometown Tiger has something against Steve Forbes

Must be the Show Cause that turns Hometown away...

FWIW, that doesn't bug me at all. In fact, Id look for a coach who knows how to operate outside of the rules. The only coaches who have had major success here have done it that way...

(03-09-2017 01:23 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 12:39 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 12:05 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:53 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:44 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Yeah and ETSU is nationally relevant?

AK is at friggin Ole Miss! That program is a bottom-5 major conference program in all of CBB. And he's consistently competed in the SEC. He's won the league. He's made NCAAs. He's upset higher seeds. He's attracted transfers and international players. He's had All-SEC players consistently.

He's done a lot at an absolute crap program - all things considered. No history. No fan support. No booster support. Beyond terrible facilities. No local recruits. Etc...

I think that would translate to more success at a program that gave him some stuff to work with.

Greg Marshall calling on line 2. He said it is possible to be relevant at a "crap program".

Would you rather hire Greg Marshall or Andy Kennedy? I think we both know the answer to that.

Again, we don't know Forbes' ceiling yet. He could be a Greg Marshall type. We know AK isn't.

WSU plays 1-AA football. It's all they have.

OM puts so much emphasis on football that they are under NCAA investigation. That is their cash cow.

I still think Marshall is superb, and all things considered, would take him over AK. That being said, Memphis has had two opportunities to get AK and have whiffed.

Billy Donovan is on line 1. He says you can win big in bball at a football first SEC school.

No comparison

Florida had history and support. Especially when compared to Ole Miss.

Just admit you don't want AK because he's a big goober and coaches at Ole Miss. Don't try to act like Ole Miss and Florida basketball were ever comparable, even before the Donovan run

Florida had five NCAA Tournament appearances prior to Billy Donovan's tenure. Ole Miss had six prior to AK.

We're all done here.

(03-09-2017 01:53 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 01:23 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 12:39 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 12:05 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:53 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Greg Marshall calling on line 2. He said it is possible to be relevant at a "crap program".

Would you rather hire Greg Marshall or Andy Kennedy? I think we both know the answer to that.

Again, we don't know Forbes' ceiling yet. He could be a Greg Marshall type. We know AK isn't.

WSU plays 1-AA football. It's all they have.

OM puts so much emphasis on football that they are under NCAA investigation. That is their cash cow.

I still think Marshall is superb, and all things considered, would take him over AK. That being said, Memphis has had two opportunities to get AK and have whiffed.

Billy Donovan is on line 1. He says you can win big in bball at a football first SEC school.

No comparison

Florida had history and support. Especially when compared to Ole Miss.

Just admit you don't want AK because he's a big goober and coaches at Ole Miss. Don't try to act like Ole Miss and Florida basketball were ever comparable, even before the Donovan run

Florida had five NCAA Tournament appearances prior to Billy Donovan's tenure. Ole Miss had six prior to AK.

We're all done here.

Yeah... one being a Final 4. If you can't admit Florida had a better basketball program than Ole Miss than you're an idiot and I can't help you

(03-09-2017 12:52 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 12:43 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  This is a Top 25 job. We don't have to settle for a Forbes or Kennedy; but it's a moot point cause Tubby ain't walking away from over $13M guaranteed unless he is a convicted serial killer.

Huh?

If anything by now, just looking at past searches, you get what you can get.

UF was a Top 25 program and they didn't steal some big name coach. Hell, Donovan wouldn't leave UF to go to UK.

tOSU got Thad Matta from Xavier (via Butler). UConn promoted a relatively inexperienced assistant after Calhoun left.

Most schools have two options: and up and comer or a retread.

Very true except we want a promoter/recruiter/coach in that order. Not getting back to where we belong when kids see a 18K arena with 4-5K people in it. I think you could consider Thad Matta (really needs a change from OSU), Will Wade, Andy Enfield (long shot), Bruce Pearl. Has to be a big name or a great promoter of the program (need some research here). Above all, he would have to come in and hire Penny as asst HC and recruiting coordinator at $1M a year (there aren't that many coaches Penny would work for (maybe Matta or Pearl).

Get the kids Penny is tight with and we are immediately a potential Top 15 team.

(03-09-2017 12:55 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:32 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  Sounds like Hometown Tiger has something against Steve Forbes

Must be the Show Cause that turns Hometown away...

He wants Hugh Greeze to take over the Memphis Tigers Basketball program?

(03-09-2017 02:13 PM)HobosHeroesStCornerClowns Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 12:55 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 11:32 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  Sounds like Hometown Tiger has something against Steve Forbes

Must be the Show Cause that turns Hometown away...

He wants Hugh Greeze to take over the Memphis Tigers Basketball program?

Maybe our women's team.

Will Kennedy bring us our very own Eminem lookalike 3-point shooter with a drug problem?

(03-09-2017 02:14 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Will Kennedy bring us our very own Eminem lookalike 3-point shooter with a drug problem?

Dude could bust a trey.

But I'd prefer another Stephan Moody.

But heck, AK has won twice as many NCAAt games as Tubby the past 10 years.

(03-09-2017 02:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 02:14 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Will Kennedy bring us our very own Eminem lookalike 3-point shooter with a drug problem?

Dude could bust a try.

But I'd prefer another Stephan Moody.

But heck, AK has won twice as many NCAAt games as Tubby the past 10 years.

Dude could most assuredly bust a trey

(03-09-2017 02:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 02:14 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Will Kennedy bring us our very own Eminem lookalike 3-point shooter with a drug problem?

Dude could bust a try.

But I'd prefer another Stephan Moody.

But heck, AK has won twice as many NCAAt games as Tubby the past 10 years.

That being TWO IN TEN YEARS. Is that what we strive for?

(03-09-2017 02:48 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 02:15 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 02:14 PM)tiger2000 Wrote:  Will Kennedy bring us our very own Eminem lookalike 3-point shooter with a drug problem?

Dude could bust a try.

But I'd prefer another Stephan Moody.

But heck, AK has won twice as many NCAAt games as Tubby the past 10 years.

That being TWO IN TEN YEARS. Is that what we strive for?

Haha. Good point but I was more amazed a supposed doofus like AK has won twice as many tourney games as the hall of famer.

AK=&:

(03-09-2017 10:14 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  We had our chance to get him and blew it.

Doubt his next job is one we couldn't poach him from.

(03-09-2017 10:37 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 10:35 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(03-09-2017 10:34 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  The pro-Forbes, anti-Kennedy group is an amusing cult. Not pointing anyone out specifically, but they exist.

What does that even mean? I actually like AK.

Again, not pointing anyone out. Just making a statement...

We have a few posters here who pimp Forbes but scoff at the idea of AK. And it makes no sense.

I've noticed it too. But it's the Pearl guys who crack me up most.