(02-01-2017 02:20 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:18 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:15 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:00 PM)wh49er Wrote:  So are we declaring FAU paper champs? Seems like their fans are.

Based on what? 24/7 website? LOL. FAU isn't even top 10 in CUSA on Rivals.

Rivals still lists kids that have decommited since August....

They are missing like 10 kid of ours. Rivals is dying and they do not have the recourses to cover C-USA.
ESPN only covers like 10 schools.
Scout is about to be bought out and eliminated.

I updated my post you quoted. All of the sites have their issues. If you think 24/7 is some Holy Grail you're putting from the rough. Thanks for the input though.

Not a holy grail but they are way better than the other sites and have way more paid employees.
Also the composite rankings are a combined rankings of all the sites.

24/7 has USM all jacked up. Not even close.

The FAU fan have come out of the woodworks.....Nah its good to see fan excited, I know I was when WKU had Petrino....I will say I don't get caught up football stars just due to if you fit the right person into a system you can have success or coaching talent to fit what you are doing its easier to win in the ultimate team sport...

Football stars are not the end all be all since most of us are getting 3 star players and none of us are getting a player in the Top 300 more then likely...3 stars can be very wide ranging whether or not they are successful...

Between the soon to be 6 or 7 guys we will have in the NFL all were 3 stars and below including one who was a walk on and most of the others were simply NR or a 2 star........I believe Bobby Rainey was our highest rated player in the NFL and he was only a 3 star...

I think stars matter more in basketball because with only 5 players on a court you can sometimes out talent the other team just due to the fewer people playing in a game...Just due to sheer numbers in football its almost impossible to evaluate all of these guys besides the top few hundred who really stand out, even among those its a guessing game...I read the other day in the entire SUper Bowl upcoming only 3 guys were rated 5 stars coming out of high school...Most everyone else was NR or 2 or 3 stars....

(02-01-2017 02:27 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:20 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:18 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:15 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:00 PM)wh49er Wrote:  So are we declaring FAU paper champs? Seems like their fans are.

Based on what? 24/7 website? LOL. FAU isn't even top 10 in CUSA on Rivals.

Rivals still lists kids that have decommited since August....

They are missing like 10 kid of ours. Rivals is dying and they do not have the recourses to cover C-USA.
ESPN only covers like 10 schools.
Scout is about to be bought out and eliminated.

I updated my post you quoted. All of the sites have their issues. If you think 24/7 is some Holy Grail you're putting from the rough. Thanks for the input though.

Not a holy grail but they are way better than the other sites and have way more paid employees.
Also the composite rankings are a combined rankings of all the sites.

My point is more about it the "winner" can't really be determined until everything is finalized & as pointed out winning the recruiting in CUSA isn't like winning at Alabama, FSU, Ohio State & Clemson which were all the most recent champs. Only Clemson was not a Top 5 Recruiting class avg.

As it trickles down to us it's a crapshoot. I still enjoy seeing schools that have t been as good do well. It's only makes us all better!

(02-01-2017 02:34 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  The FAU fan have come out of the woodworks.....Nah its good to see fan excited, I know I was when WKU had Petrino....I will say I don't get caught up football stars just due to if you fit the right person into a system you can have success or coaching talent to fit what you are doing its easier to win in the ultimate team sport...

Football stars are not the end all be all since most of us are getting 3 star players and none of us are getting a player in the Top 300 more then likely...3 stars can be very wide ranging whether or not they are successful...

Between the soon to be 6 or 7 guys we will have in the NFL all were 3 stars and below including one who was a walk on and most of there other were simply NR........I believe Bobby Rainey was our highest rated player in the NFL and he was only a 3 star...

I think stars matter more in basketball because with only 5 players on a court you can sometimes out talent the other team just due to the fewer people playing in a game...Just due to sheer numbers in football its almost impossible to evaluate all of these guys besides the top few hundred who really stand out, even among those its a guessing game...I read the other day in the entire SUper Bowl upcoming only 3 guys were rated 5 stars coming out of high school...Most everyone else was NR or 2 or 3 stars....

They were talking about the Super Bowl & recruiting stars on Russillo & Kannell on ESPN Radio & they said it was like a 2.8 avg star for both teams.

(02-01-2017 02:38 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:34 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  The FAU fan have come out of the woodworks.....Nah its good to see fan excited, I know I was when WKU had Petrino....I will say I don't get caught up football stars just due to if you fit the right person into a system you can have success or coaching talent to fit what you are doing its easier to win in the ultimate team sport...

Football stars are not the end all be all since most of us are getting 3 star players and none of us are getting a player in the Top 300 more then likely...3 stars can be very wide ranging whether or not they are successful...

Between the soon to be 6 or 7 guys we will have in the NFL all were 3 stars and below including one who was a walk on and most of there other were simply NR........I believe Bobby Rainey was our highest rated player in the NFL and he was only a 3 star...

I think stars matter more in basketball because with only 5 players on a court you can sometimes out talent the other team just due to the fewer people playing in a game...Just due to sheer numbers in football its almost impossible to evaluate all of these guys besides the top few hundred who really stand out, even among those its a guessing game...I read the other day in the entire SUper Bowl upcoming only 3 guys were rated 5 stars coming out of high school...Most everyone else was NR or 2 or 3 stars....

They were talking about the Super Bowl & recruiting stars on Russillo & Kannell on ESPN Radio & they said it was like a 2.8 avg star for both teams.

Exactly we are not going to be in top 10 in recruiting where it can make a difference...If you have 20 5 stars like Bama then it matters and I am guessing half of those guys pan out...

(02-01-2017 02:38 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:34 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  The FAU fan have come out of the woodworks.....Nah its good to see fan excited, I know I was when WKU had Petrino....I will say I don't get caught up football stars just due to if you fit the right person into a system you can have success or coaching talent to fit what you are doing its easier to win in the ultimate team sport...

Football stars are not the end all be all since most of us are getting 3 star players and none of us are getting a player in the Top 300 more then likely...3 stars can be very wide ranging whether or not they are successful...

Between the soon to be 6 or 7 guys we will have in the NFL all were 3 stars and below including one who was a walk on and most of there other were simply NR........I believe Bobby Rainey was our highest rated player in the NFL and he was only a 3 star...

I think stars matter more in basketball because with only 5 players on a court you can sometimes out talent the other team just due to the fewer people playing in a game...Just due to sheer numbers in football its almost impossible to evaluate all of these guys besides the top few hundred who really stand out, even among those its a guessing game...I read the other day in the entire SUper Bowl upcoming only 3 guys were rated 5 stars coming out of high school...Most everyone else was NR or 2 or 3 stars....

They were talking about the Super Bowl & recruiting stars on Russillo & Kannell on ESPN Radio & they said it was like a 2.8 avg star for both teams.

Yea that's an unfair stat since there are like only 20 5 star kids a year.
Go look at 1st round pick over the last few years it reflect much higher stars.
This stat is comparable when they are like more players in the NFL than the 1st and 2nd round.
Teams sign like 15 UDFA every year.

(02-01-2017 02:20 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:18 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Back to back CUSA Champs WKU national rankings by Rivals

2012 #81
2013 #87
2014 #79
2015 # Not in top 100

Some numbers to chew on. Recruiting rankings in my opinion are only truly known 3 or 4 years later.

I knew the stars don't matter people would come out.

Your QB Mike White was a high three star.

You think "usmbacker" is a WKU fan? Wouldn't that be "wkubacker"?

(02-01-2017 02:18 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  Back to back CUSA Champs WKU national rankings by Rivals

2012 #81
2013 #87
2014 #79
2015 # Not in top 100

Some numbers to chew on. Recruiting rankings in my opinion are only truly known 3 or 4 years later.

Not necessarily because that's where coaching comes in. Because of all the variables that come into play in ranking players, and the intangibles that can't really be measured between ranking kids who play on teams in entirely different states and so on, I don't think anyone believes the recruiting rankings are entirely accurate, regardless of what site we're looking at. But they are what they are, and in my opinion, are at least a somewhat reliable stand-alone measure of where kids rank against each other coming out of high school.

From here, it's up to the coaching staffs and what they can do with the talent they've procured for their programs. Individually, players can definitely be coached up and become better than guys ranked ahead of them coming out of high school. And from a team standpoint, it's also a matter of developing offensive and defensive schemes which best serve the players you have in order to maximize your winning potential; or conversely, whether your recruits fit into your scheme the way you thought they would.

Of course, there's also occasionally a player here or there who'll fall under the radar of many programs and recruiting sites, such as UTSA's LB Josiah Tauefa who was the only freshman selected to the C-USA All-Conference Team, and was also selected as a Freshman All-American.

(02-01-2017 02:44 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:38 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:34 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  The FAU fan have come out of the woodworks.....Nah its good to see fan excited, I know I was when WKU had Petrino....I will say I don't get caught up football stars just due to if you fit the right person into a system you can have success or coaching talent to fit what you are doing its easier to win in the ultimate team sport...

Football stars are not the end all be all since most of us are getting 3 star players and none of us are getting a player in the Top 300 more then likely...3 stars can be very wide ranging whether or not they are successful...

Between the soon to be 6 or 7 guys we will have in the NFL all were 3 stars and below including one who was a walk on and most of there other were simply NR........I believe Bobby Rainey was our highest rated player in the NFL and he was only a 3 star...

I think stars matter more in basketball because with only 5 players on a court you can sometimes out talent the other team just due to the fewer people playing in a game...Just due to sheer numbers in football its almost impossible to evaluate all of these guys besides the top few hundred who really stand out, even among those its a guessing game...I read the other day in the entire SUper Bowl upcoming only 3 guys were rated 5 stars coming out of high school...Most everyone else was NR or 2 or 3 stars....

They were talking about the Super Bowl & recruiting stars on Russillo & Kannell on ESPN Radio & they said it was like a 2.8 avg star for both teams.

Yea that's an unfair stat since there are like only 20 5 star kids a year.
Go look at 1st round pick over the last few years it reflect much higher stars.
This stat is comparable when they are like more players in the NFL than the 1st and 2nd round.
Teams sign like 15 UDFA every year.

May not be a ton of 5 stars but there are several 4 star guys...

(02-01-2017 12:39 PM)Rojogrande Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:30 PM)Psychored Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:07 PM)Rojogrande Wrote:  WKU sitting at 23 signees right now. Got a couple of solid last minute guys.

4- 3 stars
17 - 2 stars
2 - Unranked


Not bad after Brohm stole about 6 recruits.

Scout has us with 24 signees 6 ***; 16 ** ; and 2 unranked

Not sure how they have 24 as signed. WKU has only announced 22. There are 2-3 more that are considered committed. One a Valdosta, Georgia DB has signed his NLI according to twitter even though WKU hasn't announced it yet.

Oh he's good too. He came from my high school. Georgia Southern didn't have a chance to get him because of the way we did Gillespie

I'm pleased with Charlotte's class just based on size and speed compared to previous classes.

Comparing classes between 14 schools based on high school video and internet experts seems a little stupid.

Paul Gainer just chose Southern Miss over Tulane. 3-star OL. Top of my list.
SMTTT

(02-01-2017 02:56 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:39 PM)Rojogrande Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:30 PM)Psychored Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 12:07 PM)Rojogrande Wrote:  WKU sitting at 23 signees right now. Got a couple of solid last minute guys.

4- 3 stars
17 - 2 stars
2 - Unranked


Not bad after Brohm stole about 6 recruits.

Scout has us with 24 signees 6 ***; 16 ** ; and 2 unranked

Not sure how they have 24 as signed. WKU has only announced 22. There are 2-3 more that are considered committed. One a Valdosta, Georgia DB has signed his NLI according to twitter even though WKU hasn't announced it yet.

Oh he's good too. He came from my high school. Georgia Southern didn't have a chance to get him because of the way we did Gillespie

I saw a photo of him.... kid looks Like he could rip the roof off a car with his bare hands. Glad to have him

We have 10 guys from Georgia signed most from around the Atlanta area...Jimmy Lindsey was big, former GA Southern assistant in getting these guys...Georgia has always been good to WKU in the past...

(02-01-2017 01:35 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  Not much positive to report regarding UTEP's class. A couple of FCS schools finished ranked ahead of us.

Its just unfathomable where UTEP is heading what ever happened to you folks. Hope your AD is not a total moron.

247 still has UTSA as the top class in C-USA
Rivals has us at #67.

As we speak, according to FAU's site, we have 23 signees.
ESPN ranks them as 8 ***, 2 **
Rivals have us pegged to 6 ***, 12 ** (22 total) - FAU ranked 70th.
Scout has us at 12 ***, 9 ** (23 total) - FAU ranked 78th.
247 has FAU at 15 ***, 5 ** (23 total) - FAU ranked 66th.

(02-01-2017 03:22 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  247 still has UTSA as the top class in C-USA
Rivals has us at #67.

Actually - second best. UTSA's 2017 recruiting class is ranked 68th overall, FAU's - 66th.

BTW, just so we're clear, the ranking of the recruiting class means very little in relation to the future success of the school.

(02-01-2017 02:49 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:44 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:38 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 02:34 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  The FAU fan have come out of the woodworks.....Nah its good to see fan excited, I know I was when WKU had Petrino....I will say I don't get caught up football stars just due to if you fit the right person into a system you can have success or coaching talent to fit what you are doing its easier to win in the ultimate team sport...

Football stars are not the end all be all since most of us are getting 3 star players and none of us are getting a player in the Top 300 more then likely...3 stars can be very wide ranging whether or not they are successful...

Between the soon to be 6 or 7 guys we will have in the NFL all were 3 stars and below including one who was a walk on and most of there other were simply NR........I believe Bobby Rainey was our highest rated player in the NFL and he was only a 3 star...

I think stars matter more in basketball because with only 5 players on a court you can sometimes out talent the other team just due to the fewer people playing in a game...Just due to sheer numbers in football its almost impossible to evaluate all of these guys besides the top few hundred who really stand out, even among those its a guessing game...I read the other day in the entire SUper Bowl upcoming only 3 guys were rated 5 stars coming out of high school...Most everyone else was NR or 2 or 3 stars....

They were talking about the Super Bowl & recruiting stars on Russillo & Kannell on ESPN Radio & they said it was like a 2.8 avg star for both teams.

Yea that's an unfair stat since there are like only 20 5 star kids a year.
Go look at 1st round pick over the last few years it reflect much higher stars.
This stat is comparable when they are like more players in the NFL than the 1st and 2nd round.
Teams sign like 15 UDFA every year.

May not be a ton of 5 stars but there are several 4 star guys...

The math still works out in favor of the higher stars. There is correlation even if it isn't set in stone.

If you were a 5 star, your odds of going pro are notably better then if you were a 2 star.

There are a zillion 2 stars, so while some of them are going to develop into superstar college and even pro players, the percentage of them that does so will be much lower than it will be for 3 stars or 4 stars or 5 stars.

Where I think things get a lot murkier is down within the G5 ranks were you're talking about "high" 3 stars and "low" 3 stars and all that. I just don't think we've quite got to the point where they can differentiate very well between like the 21st-71st classes the way they can at the top. Sure, the national champ will come from a school signing a top ten class. But among the G5 (and lower level P5 schools) the differences are so subtle I think that's where you lose some of the predictive power of the rankings.