(01-25-2017 09:18 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 05:28 PM)Shrack Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 03:56 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  It's not over for them... if they can't prove they can be successful and get more than 10,000 out to a game they will be back at square one.

First season or two will likely see a surge in interest, year 3 or 4 will be more telling of their future.

I always find it interesting how UAB athletics is put to some higher standard just to have a right to exist in this state.

Troy barely broke 16,000 attendance when we were shut down in 2014 and your entire athletic department didn't even break $500,000 in ticket sales. Not a word about the sky falling for you guys. Nor a bunch of scathing news articles mentioning the nearly 76% Troy athletic subsidy the next year in 2015 (least none that I saw). No articles about Troy needing to shut down it's men's basketball program due to it's lack of success because it's just draining money from other areas such as CURING CANCER and men's track and field.

See what I mean?

You're lucky Troy doesn't have to deal with the constant scrutiny.

No offense meant by this... but it makes a big difference when Troy is their own university system, instead of being an extension of another university like UAB is.

UAB has more watchful eyes that want to cap the success of that program. Why would the University of Alabama want UAB to have a successful football program? All that does it steal UA's thunder in the Birmingham area... that's the problem.

Troy doesn't have to worry about that.

Alabama is upside down and shoots itself in the foot with a cannon as a state.

All of the FBS universities in Georgia are part of the same system. They coexist because UGA doesnt see the others as some sort of threat, its not all about football and the greater good of the state is more important than Saturdays.

(01-26-2017 09:52 AM)panama Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 09:18 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 05:28 PM)Shrack Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 03:56 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  It's not over for them... if they can't prove they can be successful and get more than 10,000 out to a game they will be back at square one.

First season or two will likely see a surge in interest, year 3 or 4 will be more telling of their future.

I always find it interesting how UAB athletics is put to some higher standard just to have a right to exist in this state.

Troy barely broke 16,000 attendance when we were shut down in 2014 and your entire athletic department didn't even break $500,000 in ticket sales. Not a word about the sky falling for you guys. Nor a bunch of scathing news articles mentioning the nearly 76% Troy athletic subsidy the next year in 2015 (least none that I saw). No articles about Troy needing to shut down it's men's basketball program due to it's lack of success because it's just draining money from other areas such as CURING CANCER and men's track and field.

See what I mean?

You're lucky Troy doesn't have to deal with the constant scrutiny.

No offense meant by this... but it makes a big difference when Troy is their own university system, instead of being an extension of another university like UAB is.

UAB has more watchful eyes that want to cap the success of that program. Why would the University of Alabama want UAB to have a successful football program? All that does it steal UA's thunder in the Birmingham area... that's the problem.

Troy doesn't have to worry about that.

Alabama is upside down and shoots itself in the foot with a cannon as a state.

All of the FBS universities in Georgia are part of the same system. They coexist because UGA doesnt see the others as some sort of threat, its not all about football and the greater good of the state is more important than Saturdays.

I'm not sure I would go so far as to say that.

(01-25-2017 09:18 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 05:28 PM)Shrack Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 03:56 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  It's not over for them... if they can't prove they can be successful and get more than 10,000 out to a game they will be back at square one.

First season or two will likely see a surge in interest, year 3 or 4 will be more telling of their future.

I always find it interesting how UAB athletics is put to some higher standard just to have a right to exist in this state.

Troy barely broke 16,000 attendance when we were shut down in 2014 and your entire athletic department didn't even break $500,000 in ticket sales. Not a word about the sky falling for you guys. Nor a bunch of scathing news articles mentioning the nearly 76% Troy athletic subsidy the next year in 2015 (least none that I saw). No articles about Troy needing to shut down it's men's basketball program due to it's lack of success because it's just draining money from other areas such as CURING CANCER and men's track and field.

See what I mean?

You're lucky Troy doesn't have to deal with the constant scrutiny.

No offense meant by this... but it makes a big difference when Troy is their own university system, instead of being an extension of another university like UAB is.

UAB has more watchful eyes that want to cap the success of that program. Why would the University of Alabama want UAB to have a successful football program? All that does it steal UA's thunder in the Birmingham area... that's the problem.

Troy doesn't have to worry about that.

Just to clarify, UAB hasn't been an "extension" of UA since being granted full autonomy by the legislature in 1969. I don't really disagree with the other stuff, though.

(01-21-2017 06:27 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 05:28 PM)Shrack Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 03:56 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  It's not over for them... if they can't prove they can be successful and get more than 10,000 out to a game they will be back at square one.

First season or two will likely see a surge in interest, year 3 or 4 will be more telling of their future.

I always find it interesting how UAB athletics is put to some higher standard just to have a right to exist in this state.

Troy barely broke 16,000 attendance when we were shut down in 2014 and your entire athletic department didn't even break $500,000 in ticket sales. Not a word about the sky falling for you guys. Nor a bunch of scathing news articles mentioning the nearly 76% Troy athletic subsidy the next year in 2015 (least none that I saw). No articles about Troy needing to shut down it's men's basketball program due to it's lack of success because it's just draining money from other areas such as CURING CANCER and men's track and field.

See what I mean?

You're lucky Troy doesn't have to deal with the constant scrutiny.

1987 Arkansas legislature introduces a bill to get Arkansas and Arkansas State to play and includes a tournament with Arkansas, Arkansas State and UALR (who had just made it to the NCAA second round losing a triple OT game to NC State). Bill gets amended to only include football, passes the House then dies. NIT pits AState and Arkansas with UA winning in OT. Two years later Hog friendly legislators pass a law changing how athletics are financed, AState goes to I-A to get the revenue required to survive, UALR meets fund-raising deadline with less than 24 hours left to save their program, most junior colleges in Arkansas drop athletics, larger NAIA schools push to move to Division II because NAIA dues are based on enrollment making the NCAA cheaper.

2015 Virginia adopts athletic finance caps that probably would have blocked ODU move had they waited longer to move.

Nebraska Omaha gave up football, supposedly to get their budget within the constraints placed to allow them to move Division I.

While what happened to UAB isn't the norm it isn't that unusual either.

Those schools are acting in their own self interest...step back, it makes sense to try to eliminate competition.

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(01-26-2017 12:06 PM)eaglemachine Wrote:  

(01-26-2017 09:52 AM)panama Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 09:18 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 05:28 PM)Shrack Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 03:56 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  It's not over for them... if they can't prove they can be successful and get more than 10,000 out to a game they will be back at square one.

First season or two will likely see a surge in interest, year 3 or 4 will be more telling of their future.

I always find it interesting how UAB athletics is put to some higher standard just to have a right to exist in this state.

Troy barely broke 16,000 attendance when we were shut down in 2014 and your entire athletic department didn't even break $500,000 in ticket sales. Not a word about the sky falling for you guys. Nor a bunch of scathing news articles mentioning the nearly 76% Troy athletic subsidy the next year in 2015 (least none that I saw). No articles about Troy needing to shut down it's men's basketball program due to it's lack of success because it's just draining money from other areas such as CURING CANCER and men's track and field.

See what I mean?

You're lucky Troy doesn't have to deal with the constant scrutiny.

No offense meant by this... but it makes a big difference when Troy is their own university system, instead of being an extension of another university like UAB is.

UAB has more watchful eyes that want to cap the success of that program. Why would the University of Alabama want UAB to have a successful football program? All that does it steal UA's thunder in the Birmingham area... that's the problem.

Troy doesn't have to worry about that.

Alabama is upside down and shoots itself in the foot with a cannon as a state.

All of the FBS universities in Georgia are part of the same system. They coexist because UGA doesnt see the others as some sort of threat, its not all about football and the greater good of the state is more important than Saturdays.

I'm not sure I would go so far as to say that.

There is nothing in Georgia that can be compared even remotely the situation between the Alabama Governor, SAC, the BOT and Bryant Bank. We are research university with 53k students that is building a stadium. The Alabama BOT doesn't want UAB even growing undergraduate admissions much less playing football or getting a stadium.

I really doubt that the Roll Tide power brokers have the slightest concern about UAB might do at some point down the road to Tide football.

I suspect their biggest problem is that football is a marketing tool and a student and alumni amenity and coupled with being in economic epicenter of Alabama (and nearly trip the size of the next largest metro area in the state) makes UAB too attractive to potential students they would rather have in Tuscaloosa to help pay for the debt driven expansion of that campus.

Alabama=pathetic politics---but that is true in many places.

(01-26-2017 05:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I really doubt that the Roll Tide power brokers have the slightest concern about UAB might do at some point down the road to Tide football.

I suspect their biggest problem is that football is a marketing tool and a student and alumni amenity and coupled with being in economic epicenter of Alabama (and nearly trip the size of the next largest metro area in the state) makes UAB too attractive to potential students they would rather have in Tuscaloosa to help pay for the debt driven expansion of that campus.

Exactly. UAB as a university as you say is in the economic center of teh state and is the state's largest employer as well as being near AAU in status. That represents a huge threat to Tuscaloosa.

(01-26-2017 06:11 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-26-2017 05:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I really doubt that the Roll Tide power brokers have the slightest concern about UAB might do at some point down the road to Tide football.

I suspect their biggest problem is that football is a marketing tool and a student and alumni amenity and coupled with being in economic epicenter of Alabama (and nearly trip the size of the next largest metro area in the state) makes UAB too attractive to potential students they would rather have in Tuscaloosa to help pay for the debt driven expansion of that campus.

Exactly. UAB as a university as you say is in the economic center of teh state and is the state's largest employer as well as being near AAU in status. That represents a huge threat to Tuscaloosa.

On point.

UAB is known worldwide for its Medical program. Especially, Sports Medicine. UAB is not a small school and its alumni have a ton of money that UAT wants to keep their allegiance, monetarily and politically.

USA has a very established medical school and a strong rivalry history with UAB including athletics. Anytime UAB plays USA in football it will stoke the rivalry between the largest metro in the state (Birmingham) vs the second largest metro in the state (Mobile) which means the states focus will not on Alabama nor Aubrun all the time.

The pecking order in the state is:

1. Alabama - Tuscaloosa
2. Auburn
3. Alabama - Birmingham
4. South Alabama
5. Troy
6. Alabama Huntsville
7. Auburn - Montgomery


UAB vs USA football focuses attention and money on the schools.

The Roll Tiders were watching the Troy/UAB rivalry and knew it was gaining steam in a hurry. They know that USA/UAB would be that much more dangerous.

Don't get me wrong. Everybody in the state is either Alabama or Auburn plus their school. Example: Auburn/South Alabama

However, things have gone toxic between UAT and UAB. Therefore, UAB becomes an immediate threat once Birmingham enthusiastically claims ownership.

A yearly football game between Birmingham and Mobile is terrifying to UAT.

Apparently they are not aware of rising tide , raising all ships and such.

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Don't get me wrong. Everybody in the state is either Alabama or Auburn plus their school. Example: Auburn/South Alabama

That's not true... maybe at USA and in Mobile you have that problem.

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The pecking order in the state is:

1. Alabama - Tuscaloosa
2. Auburn
3. Alabama - Birmingham
4. South Alabama
5. Troy
6. Alabama Huntsville
7. Auburn - Montgomery


UAB vs USA football focuses attention and money on the schools.

A yearly football game between Birmingham and Mobile is terrifying to UAT.

What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?

And where on earth did you come up with that pecking order?

(01-27-2017 09:37 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Don't get me wrong. Everybody in the state is either Alabama or Auburn plus their school. Example: Auburn/South Alabama

That's not true... maybe at USA and in Mobile you have that problem.

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The pecking order in the state is:

1. Alabama - Tuscaloosa
2. Auburn
3. Alabama - Birmingham
4. South Alabama
5. Troy
6. Alabama Huntsville
7. Auburn - Montgomery


UAB vs USA football focuses attention and money on the schools.

A yearly football game between Birmingham and Mobile is terrifying to UAT.

What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?

And where on earth did you come up with that pecking order?

Yea I agree. With UAH's Hockey NC's I would swap 5 and 6.

(01-27-2017 10:27 AM)StillGotIt Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 09:37 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Don't get me wrong. Everybody in the state is either Alabama or Auburn plus their school. Example: Auburn/South Alabama

That's not true... maybe at USA and in Mobile you have that problem.

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The pecking order in the state is:

1. Alabama - Tuscaloosa
2. Auburn
3. Alabama - Birmingham
4. South Alabama
5. Troy
6. Alabama Huntsville
7. Auburn - Montgomery


UAB vs USA football focuses attention and money on the schools.

A yearly football game between Birmingham and Mobile is terrifying to UAT.

What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?

And where on earth did you come up with that pecking order?

Yea I agree. With UAH's Hockey NC's I would swap 5 and 6.

"What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?"

Yes. And I stated the pecking order. UAH has Hockey but no football and in Alabama that is irreconcilable for any school.

(01-27-2017 10:57 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 10:27 AM)StillGotIt Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 09:37 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Don't get me wrong. Everybody in the state is either Alabama or Auburn plus their school. Example: Auburn/South Alabama

That's not true... maybe at USA and in Mobile you have that problem.

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The pecking order in the state is:

1. Alabama - Tuscaloosa
2. Auburn
3. Alabama - Birmingham
4. South Alabama
5. Troy
6. Alabama Huntsville
7. Auburn - Montgomery


UAB vs USA football focuses attention and money on the schools.

A yearly football game between Birmingham and Mobile is terrifying to UAT.

What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?

And where on earth did you come up with that pecking order?

Yea I agree. With UAH's Hockey NC's I would swap 5 and 6.

"What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?"

Yes. And I stated the pecking order. UAH has Hockey but no football and in Alabama that is irreconcilable for any school.

Our first game would have been 2 years ago, but it got cancelled and we got San Diego State on our schedule and beat them both times. I feel the fan base is interested when it is Troy week, and I feel UAB can be very similar. It should help both schools in attendance for football games.

(01-27-2017 10:57 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 10:27 AM)StillGotIt Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 09:37 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Don't get me wrong. Everybody in the state is either Alabama or Auburn plus their school. Example: Auburn/South Alabama

That's not true... maybe at USA and in Mobile you have that problem.

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The pecking order in the state is:

1. Alabama - Tuscaloosa
2. Auburn
3. Alabama - Birmingham
4. South Alabama
5. Troy
6. Alabama Huntsville
7. Auburn - Montgomery


UAB vs USA football focuses attention and money on the schools.

A yearly football game between Birmingham and Mobile is terrifying to UAT.

What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?

And where on earth did you come up with that pecking order?

Yea I agree. With UAH's Hockey NC's I would swap 5 and 6.

"What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?"

Yes. And I stated the pecking order. UAH has Hockey but no football and in Alabama that is irreconcilable for any school.

You won't get the attendance you get with Troy when you play UAB. There are 7 Troy alumni chapters that are one hour or less away from Mobile, with two or three of them being large chapters, especially the ones in Pensacola and Baldwin County. UAB has one alumni chapter in or around Mobile. Not to mention Troy to Mobile is a shorter drive.

UAB never really traveled well to Troy, even when Troy was winning the Sun Belt and both were having tightly contested games. I don't see games against USA being any different, despite UAB's newfound fan pride.

As far as Alabama, Auburn, and your pecking order... I have a feeling you have a severe case of delusion. What's next, advocating for West Florida to join the Sun Belt in the next 6 years?

(01-27-2017 11:56 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 10:57 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 10:27 AM)StillGotIt Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 09:37 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Don't get me wrong. Everybody in the state is either Alabama or Auburn plus their school. Example: Auburn/South Alabama

That's not true... maybe at USA and in Mobile you have that problem.

(01-27-2017 08:28 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The pecking order in the state is:

1. Alabama - Tuscaloosa
2. Auburn
3. Alabama - Birmingham
4. South Alabama
5. Troy
6. Alabama Huntsville
7. Auburn - Montgomery


UAB vs USA football focuses attention and money on the schools.

A yearly football game between Birmingham and Mobile is terrifying to UAT.

What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?

And where on earth did you come up with that pecking order?

Yea I agree. With UAH's Hockey NC's I would swap 5 and 6.

"What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?"

Yes. And I stated the pecking order. UAH has Hockey but no football and in Alabama that is irreconcilable for any school.

You won't get the attendance you get with Troy when you play UAB. There are 7 Troy alumni chapters that are one hour or less away from Mobile, with two or three of them being large chapters, especially the ones in Pensacola and Baldwin County. UAB has one alumni chapter in or around Mobile. Not to mention Troy to Mobile is a shorter drive.

UAB never really traveled well to Troy, even when Troy was winning the Sun Belt and both were having tightly contested games. I don't see games against USA being any different, despite UAB's newfound fan pride.

As far as Alabama, Auburn, and your pecking order... I have a feeling you have a severe case of delusion. What's next, advocating for West Florida to join the Sun Belt in the next 6 years?

As far as the pecking order....What is delusional? And I have already advocated for UWF in the Sun Belt.

(01-27-2017 02:06 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 11:56 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 10:57 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 10:27 AM)StillGotIt Wrote:  

(01-27-2017 09:37 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  That's not true... maybe at USA and in Mobile you have that problem.


What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?

And where on earth did you come up with that pecking order?

Yea I agree. With UAH's Hockey NC's I would swap 5 and 6.

"What? You really think Alabama or even Auburn are terrified about a football rivalry between USA and UAB that starts its first matchup in 2019?"

Yes. And I stated the pecking order. UAH has Hockey but no football and in Alabama that is irreconcilable for any school.

You won't get the attendance you get with Troy when you play UAB. There are 7 Troy alumni chapters that are one hour or less away from Mobile, with two or three of them being large chapters, especially the ones in Pensacola and Baldwin County. UAB has one alumni chapter in or around Mobile. Not to mention Troy to Mobile is a shorter drive.

UAB never really traveled well to Troy, even when Troy was winning the Sun Belt and both were having tightly contested games. I don't see games against USA being any different, despite UAB's newfound fan pride.

As far as Alabama, Auburn, and your pecking order... I have a feeling you have a severe case of delusion. What's next, advocating for West Florida to join the Sun Belt in the next 6 years?

As far as the pecking order....What is delusional? And I have already advocated for UWF in the Sun Belt.

You had to ruin your own argument didn't you?

It wasn't long ago that an average UAB football was ranked and Alabama was terrible.

You think the UA system wants to see UAB have a strong decade of football and Alabama have 5-10 down years? No, they don't.

It's not about UAB becoming some huge powerhouse threat. It's about UAB taking away some monetary support/fan support that would otherwise go to UA in the future, especially in times when UA is not having solid seasons. Obviously none of it matters in the next year or three. What matters is what happens over a period of 20-30 years. The landscape can look very different and the next generation of fans can grow up having different allegiances.

I would rather foster the rivalry with Troy and build one with USM over trying to gain one with UAb. UAb will have short term attendance jump with excitement of the program returning. But I see that as short lived, as soon as Bill Clark moves on, which he will, probably within 2 years, they will make a bad hire and go back to no one in Birmingham caring about going to the games because whatever stadium they play in is scary and in crime ridden Birmingham. Where someone is shot every day and no one is ever arrested for it.

Nostradamus with a stereotyped view. Or is it just the outcome you hope to occur?