(01-03-2017 09:31 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 07:57 AM)DNEagle Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 01:03 AM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:28 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Classic, unwarranted, unjustified P5 arrogance.

It's a fact. P5 schools have more blue chip players than G5 schools. The G5 school might field a good starting team but over several weeks of playing better athletes , they wouldn't be able to field those players for an entire season.

I've watched a lot of football and if it is one thing that is apparent when a P5 school plays a G5 school, it's that the P5 school has better and stronger athletes and they eventually just wear down the lesser school.

If that played out throughout an entire season, it would be absolutely devastating.

So explain Utah, who was a G5 school. They got the chance to join the Pac-12 and a few years in they are now ranked fairly regularly. Or TCU, who was a G5, joined the Big XII, and in year 3 won a share of the conference title. Or Louisville, who... you get the point.

The G5 don't have the good players because they get almost ZERO media coverage. Good players want to play on national TV. Give the good G5 matchups national exposure, and you'll eventually see, over time, the recruiting and fan bases improve. Look at Houston, who has started getting a lot more coverage and became the first G5 school to get a 5* recruit.

La Tech lost to Arkansas, at Arky, by 1 point, with a backup QB who was a RS Freshman THAT HAD NEVER PLAYED A DOWN OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Imagine if we had had our starting QB for that game?

Boise State is 3-0 in the Fiesta Bowl, including wins over the Big XII champ and a Pac-12 team. This year? 2-0 against Pac-12 teams, and they weren't even the best team in the Mountain West. Put them in the Pac-12 and you'd see them competing at the top within a few years.

Houston beat the eventual Big XII champs and one of the better ACC teams, but lost to 4 G5 teams.

Is the average P5 team better than the average G5 team? Sure. But are there plenty of G5 teams that could compete with the P5? Definitely. In the 3 years of the NY6, the G5 team is 2-1, with the only loss coming this year, and WMU only lost by 1 score. In the BCS era, "BCS Busters" went 4-2 against AQ teams.

Here's the bottom line. P5 fans and the media push the idea that the G5 are "cupcakes" and usually just ignore them. We get NO COVERAGE by the media. Give us the same exposure you get (or even a chunk) and you'd see a change over a few years.

Oh and one more thing. Hard to have sustained success when you guys steal our best coaches after just a couple of seasons.

The system currently sets up the G5 to fail. Kudos to those that can have success despite it.

You see the media bias and how they tend to prop up schools that fit their current narrative (whatever that may be)...

But Houston was not the first non-power school to land a 5* recruit...USM did it before Houston, and I'm sure a thorough check of history will reveal that some other non-power school may have pulled it off sooner...

Even if we relegate it only to the era of recruiting service, that media narrative is fallible, and factually, incorrect.

G5's might not land them straight outa high school as often, but I know WKU has had its share of 4 stars and a couple 5 stars transfer in. That includes a pair from UoL this season which helped our defense

Well yes, and we got Driskel who was a former 5*, but I specifically meant straight from high school.

As for the Southern Miss recruit, when did that happen? I ask because I genuinely didn't know about it. I just remember hearing that UH was the first. Honestly wouldn't surprise me much if they just "forgot" to research that claim first.

(01-03-2017 03:58 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 09:31 AM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 07:57 AM)DNEagle Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 01:03 AM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's a fact. P5 schools have more blue chip players than G5 schools. The G5 school might field a good starting team but over several weeks of playing better athletes , they wouldn't be able to field those players for an entire season.

I've watched a lot of football and if it is one thing that is apparent when a P5 school plays a G5 school, it's that the P5 school has better and stronger athletes and they eventually just wear down the lesser school.

If that played out throughout an entire season, it would be absolutely devastating.

So explain Utah, who was a G5 school. They got the chance to join the Pac-12 and a few years in they are now ranked fairly regularly. Or TCU, who was a G5, joined the Big XII, and in year 3 won a share of the conference title. Or Louisville, who... you get the point.

The G5 don't have the good players because they get almost ZERO media coverage. Good players want to play on national TV. Give the good G5 matchups national exposure, and you'll eventually see, over time, the recruiting and fan bases improve. Look at Houston, who has started getting a lot more coverage and became the first G5 school to get a 5* recruit.

La Tech lost to Arkansas, at Arky, by 1 point, with a backup QB who was a RS Freshman THAT HAD NEVER PLAYED A DOWN OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Imagine if we had had our starting QB for that game?

Boise State is 3-0 in the Fiesta Bowl, including wins over the Big XII champ and a Pac-12 team. This year? 2-0 against Pac-12 teams, and they weren't even the best team in the Mountain West. Put them in the Pac-12 and you'd see them competing at the top within a few years.

Houston beat the eventual Big XII champs and one of the better ACC teams, but lost to 4 G5 teams.

Is the average P5 team better than the average G5 team? Sure. But are there plenty of G5 teams that could compete with the P5? Definitely. In the 3 years of the NY6, the G5 team is 2-1, with the only loss coming this year, and WMU only lost by 1 score. In the BCS era, "BCS Busters" went 4-2 against AQ teams.

Here's the bottom line. P5 fans and the media push the idea that the G5 are "cupcakes" and usually just ignore them. We get NO COVERAGE by the media. Give us the same exposure you get (or even a chunk) and you'd see a change over a few years.

Oh and one more thing. Hard to have sustained success when you guys steal our best coaches after just a couple of seasons.

The system currently sets up the G5 to fail. Kudos to those that can have success despite it.

You see the media bias and how they tend to prop up schools that fit their current narrative (whatever that may be)...

But Houston was not the first non-power school to land a 5* recruit...USM did it before Houston, and I'm sure a thorough check of history will reveal that some other non-power school may have pulled it off sooner...

Even if we relegate it only to the era of recruiting service, that media narrative is fallible, and factually, incorrect.

G5's might not land them straight outa high school as often, but I know WKU has had its share of 4 stars and a couple 5 stars transfer in. That includes a pair from UoL this season which helped our defense

Well yes, and we got Driskel who was a former 5*, but I specifically meant straight from high school.

As for the Southern Miss recruit, when did that happen? I ask because I genuinely didn't know about it. I just remember hearing that UH was the first. Honestly wouldn't surprise me much if they just "forgot" to research that claim first.

Deandre Brown...

http://247sports.com/Player/DeAndre-Brown-24083
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/15178
http://www.scout.com/college/football/re...the-nation

(01-02-2017 08:37 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:33 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

LA Tech sent 6 players to the NFL last year, including a first round draft choice. We also have 3 NFL Hall of Famers, and more guys that will be drafted into the NFL this year. I'm guessing that compares very favorably against all but the very best of your P5's.

It's a team sport brother. La Tech and W. Kentucky are good G5 schools. That doesn't mean they could compete with the best P5 schools.

LA Tech and WKU (and a lot of other G5's) can certainly "compete with the best P5 schools" as well as the majority of P5's can. You're making the classic mistake...the same mistake that SEC fans make; just because Alabama is tough doesn't mean the entire SEC is.

It's the same for the PAC 12, etc.... There's usually a tough guy at the top, and everybody else is pretty mediocre. And if most of the P5's played any of these games on G5 turf, you'd learn that very quickly.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I have already said that some of the top G5 schools can compete with some of the bottom P5 schools.

But you are just talking about on the field in football. What about other sports and facilities?

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:10 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  From the looks of how Washington got manhandled, it's VERY CLEAR that the PAC 12 is subpar. But that's the point....there's only about 6 to 10 P5 programs each year that are truly playing on "another level". Outside of that, the rest of the P5 is susceptible to a solid aaarse whipping any day from a G5.

Alabama is on another level.

Then it's p5 then its g5

The PAC 12 had a down year because Oregon and Stanford weren't where they usually are.

Once again however, don't let that fool anyone. P5 is clearly on another level

And as for Washington, they weren't even supposed to be this good this year. Most people think next year is going to be their year.

You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

First off "we had to deal with this . . . " No, you don't. No one posted it on the Pac-12 board, but on the C-USA board. Go away and you don't have to deal with it.

Secondly, give Southern Miss or La Tech or Marshall PAC-12 money and we'd dominate 90% of your teams most seasons. We've been proving we can play with anyone for decades, even though we have **** for budget.

(01-05-2017 03:35 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Alabama is on another level.

Then it's p5 then its g5

The PAC 12 had a down year because Oregon and Stanford weren't where they usually are.

Once again however, don't let that fool anyone. P5 is clearly on another level

And as for Washington, they weren't even supposed to be this good this year. Most people think next year is going to be their year.

You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

First off "we had to deal with this . . . " No, you don't. No one posted it on the Pac-12 board, but on the C-USA board. Go away and you don't have to deal with it.

Secondly, give Southern Miss or La Tech or Marshall PAC-12 money and we'd dominate 90% of your teams most seasons. We've been proving we can play with anyone for decades, even though we have **** for budget.

Let me ask the PAC-12 if they will give your schools some money so you can pay in their conference.

I'll get back to you when I get an answer.

And for the record, I am a UTEP fan and I have tried to change the "root for" thing for years. It's not possible. Not even the MODs can do it.

(01-07-2017 03:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 03:35 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

First off "we had to deal with this . . . " No, you don't. No one posted it on the Pac-12 board, but on the C-USA board. Go away and you don't have to deal with it.

Secondly, give Southern Miss or La Tech or Marshall PAC-12 money and we'd dominate 90% of your teams most seasons. We've been proving we can play with anyone for decades, even though we have **** for budget.

Let me ask the PAC-12 if they will give your schools some money so you can pay in their conference.

I'll get back to you when I get an answer.

And for the record, I am a UTEP fan and I have tried to change the "root for" thing for years. It's not possible. Not even the MODs can do it.

No one is asking for the Pac-12 to literally give us money. We're saying if we had as much money as Pac-12 schools that we'd be just as good. Problem is, the system now doesn't give us the opportunity to make that money.

(01-07-2017 04:18 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 03:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 03:35 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

First off "we had to deal with this . . . " No, you don't. No one posted it on the Pac-12 board, but on the C-USA board. Go away and you don't have to deal with it.

Secondly, give Southern Miss or La Tech or Marshall PAC-12 money and we'd dominate 90% of your teams most seasons. We've been proving we can play with anyone for decades, even though we have **** for budget.

Let me ask the PAC-12 if they will give your schools some money so you can pay in their conference.

I'll get back to you when I get an answer.

And for the record, I am a UTEP fan and I have tried to change the "root for" thing for years. It's not possible. Not even the MODs can do it.

No one is asking for the Pac-12 to literally give us money. We're saying if we had as much money as Pac-12 schools that we'd be just as good. Problem is, the system now doesn't give us the opportunity to make that money.

If you had the money............


Yeah if I had the money, I'd own the Dallas Cowboys.


So just to sum things up. The only reason you aren't a P5 school is because it's someone else's fault.

That is essentially what you are saying.

This is exactly why I am at odds with UTEP fans,

Because they believe that their lack of success is somehow everyone else's fault.

(01-07-2017 05:34 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 04:18 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 03:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 03:35 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

First off "we had to deal with this . . . " No, you don't. No one posted it on the Pac-12 board, but on the C-USA board. Go away and you don't have to deal with it.

Secondly, give Southern Miss or La Tech or Marshall PAC-12 money and we'd dominate 90% of your teams most seasons. We've been proving we can play with anyone for decades, even though we have **** for budget.

Let me ask the PAC-12 if they will give your schools some money so you can pay in their conference.

I'll get back to you when I get an answer.

And for the record, I am a UTEP fan and I have tried to change the "root for" thing for years. It's not possible. Not even the MODs can do it.

No one is asking for the Pac-12 to literally give us money. We're saying if we had as much money as Pac-12 schools that we'd be just as good. Problem is, the system now doesn't give us the opportunity to make that money.

If you had the money............


Yeah if I had the money, I'd own the Dallas Cowboys.


So just to sum things up. The only reason you aren't a P5 school is because it's someone else's fault.

That is essentially what you are saying.

This is exactly why I am at odds with UTEP fans,

Because they believe that their lack of success is somehow everyone else's fault.

We've had success, though. We just don't get any recognition for it which means we can't build off of it.

(01-07-2017 04:18 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 03:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 03:35 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

First off "we had to deal with this . . . " No, you don't. No one posted it on the Pac-12 board, but on the C-USA board. Go away and you don't have to deal with it.

Secondly, give Southern Miss or La Tech or Marshall PAC-12 money and we'd dominate 90% of your teams most seasons. We've been proving we can play with anyone for decades, even though we have **** for budget.

Let me ask the PAC-12 if they will give your schools some money so you can pay in their conference.

I'll get back to you when I get an answer.

And for the record, I am a UTEP fan and I have tried to change the "root for" thing for years. It's not possible. Not even the MODs can do it.

No one is asking for the Pac-12 to literally give us money. We're saying if we had as much money as Pac-12 schools that we'd be just as good. Problem is, the system now doesn't give us the opportunity to make that money.

There are plenty of G5 schools who got the opportunity and are now getting the same money as P5 schools.

Keep playing good football and improving your facilities and one day La Tech will get a chance to be in the P5 too.

(01-10-2017 01:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 04:18 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 03:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 03:35 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

First off "we had to deal with this . . . " No, you don't. No one posted it on the Pac-12 board, but on the C-USA board. Go away and you don't have to deal with it.

Secondly, give Southern Miss or La Tech or Marshall PAC-12 money and we'd dominate 90% of your teams most seasons. We've been proving we can play with anyone for decades, even though we have **** for budget.

Let me ask the PAC-12 if they will give your schools some money so you can pay in their conference.

I'll get back to you when I get an answer.

And for the record, I am a UTEP fan and I have tried to change the "root for" thing for years. It's not possible. Not even the MODs can do it.

No one is asking for the Pac-12 to literally give us money. We're saying if we had as much money as Pac-12 schools that we'd be just as good. Problem is, the system now doesn't give us the opportunity to make that money.

There are plenty of G5 schools who got the opportunity and are now getting the same money as P5 schools.

Keep playing good football and improving your facilities and one day La Tech will get a chance to be in the P5 too.

Maybe, maybe not. It's not really set up that way given the GIGANTIC disparity in revenues between the P5 and G5. I mean, there is literally no way to keep up in facilities/recruiting, etc with the income disparity, no matter how much a G5 school wins, especially a lower level G5.

(01-10-2017 01:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 04:18 PM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 03:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-05-2017 03:35 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

First off "we had to deal with this . . . " No, you don't. No one posted it on the Pac-12 board, but on the C-USA board. Go away and you don't have to deal with it.

Secondly, give Southern Miss or La Tech or Marshall PAC-12 money and we'd dominate 90% of your teams most seasons. We've been proving we can play with anyone for decades, even though we have **** for budget.

Let me ask the PAC-12 if they will give your schools some money so you can pay in their conference.

I'll get back to you when I get an answer.

And for the record, I am a UTEP fan and I have tried to change the "root for" thing for years. It's not possible. Not even the MODs can do it.

No one is asking for the Pac-12 to literally give us money. We're saying if we had as much money as Pac-12 schools that we'd be just as good. Problem is, the system now doesn't give us the opportunity to make that money.

There are plenty of G5 schools who got the opportunity and are now getting the same money as P5 schools.

Keep playing good football and improving your facilities and one day La Tech will get a chance to be in the P5 too.

The Big XII had some obvious choices for expansion, and instead decided to stick with 10 but add a conference championship game for no good reason. Why? They were scared the new teams would actually beat them. Assuming we do beat the system that's stacked against us and get good enough to be a P5, what if the P5 decide they just don't want more competition?

Alabama didn't "destroy" Washington, they won 24-7.