(01-02-2017 03:34 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:10 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  From the looks of how Washington got manhandled, it's VERY CLEAR that the PAC 12 is subpar. But that's the point....there's only about 6 to 10 P5 programs each year that are truly playing on "another level". Outside of that, the rest of the P5 is susceptible to a solid aaarse whipping any day from a G5.

Alabama is on another level.

Then it's p5 then its g5

The PAC 12 had a down year because Oregon and Stanford weren't where they usually are.

Once again however, don't let that fool anyone. P5 is clearly on another level

And as for Washington, they weren't even supposed to be this good this year. Most people think next year is going to be their year.

You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

....and without looking it up, I'll bet all those games were played in the P5's house?

Every one

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:10 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:03 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Last time I checked, there were two PAC 12 teams in the New Year's Six bowls and one of them in the final four.

I think you mean Big 12 is the conference that doesn't belong.

From the looks of how Washington got manhandled, it's VERY CLEAR that the PAC 12 is subpar. But that's the point....there's only about 6 to 10 P5 programs each year that are truly playing on "another level". Outside of that, the rest of the P5 is susceptible to a solid aaarse whipping any day from a G5.

Alabama is on another level.

Then it's p5 then its g5

The PAC 12 had a down year because Oregon and Stanford weren't where they usually are.

Once again however, don't let that fool anyone. P5 is clearly on another level

And as for Washington, they weren't even supposed to be this good this year. Most people think next year is going to be their year.

You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:10 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  From the looks of how Washington got manhandled, it's VERY CLEAR that the PAC 12 is subpar. But that's the point....there's only about 6 to 10 P5 programs each year that are truly playing on "another level". Outside of that, the rest of the P5 is susceptible to a solid aaarse whipping any day from a G5.

Alabama is on another level.

Then it's p5 then its g5

The PAC 12 had a down year because Oregon and Stanford weren't where they usually are.

Once again however, don't let that fool anyone. P5 is clearly on another level

And as for Washington, they weren't even supposed to be this good this year. Most people think next year is going to be their year.

You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

LA Tech sent 6 players to the NFL last year, including a first round draft choice. We also have 3 NFL Hall of Famers, and more guys that will be drafted into the NFL this year. I'm guessing that compares very favorably against all but the very best of your P5's.

You actually listened to ECU, self congratulations in 2014? They were very average that year. They just didn't realize it until it was too late.

(01-02-2017 05:33 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Alabama is on another level.

Then it's p5 then its g5

The PAC 12 had a down year because Oregon and Stanford weren't where they usually are.

Once again however, don't let that fool anyone. P5 is clearly on another level

And as for Washington, they weren't even supposed to be this good this year. Most people think next year is going to be their year.

You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

LA Tech sent 6 players to the NFL last year, including a first round draft choice. We also have 3 NFL Hall of Famers, and more guys that will be drafted into the NFL this year. I'm guessing that compares very favorably against all but the very best of your P5's.

It's a team sport brother. La Tech and W. Kentucky are good G5 schools. That doesn't mean they could compete with the best P5 schools.

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:10 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  From the looks of how Washington got manhandled, it's VERY CLEAR that the PAC 12 is subpar. But that's the point....there's only about 6 to 10 P5 programs each year that are truly playing on "another level". Outside of that, the rest of the P5 is susceptible to a solid aaarse whipping any day from a G5.

Alabama is on another level.

Then it's p5 then its g5

The PAC 12 had a down year because Oregon and Stanford weren't where they usually are.

Once again however, don't let that fool anyone. P5 is clearly on another level

And as for Washington, they weren't even supposed to be this good this year. Most people think next year is going to be their year.

You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

Disagree. Put half of the G5 into any P5 conference and with that kind of money and recruiting prestige they would do better than the below:

Kansas
Rutgers
Virginia
Purdue
Iowa State
Syracuse
Duke
Oregon State
Wake Forest
Vandy
Kentucky
Indiana

etc etc

The G5 vs P5 record only looks so bad because 70% of those games are road games for G5. Another 10-15% are neutral site. The last 15-20% are home games.

Is there a talent gap? Obviously. But it is no where as large as it is made out to be. Same thing happens in men's basketball. 70-90% of the games are on the road. Money buys wins and prestige which just gets you more money.

(01-02-2017 06:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:33 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

LA Tech sent 6 players to the NFL last year, including a first round draft choice. We also have 3 NFL Hall of Famers, and more guys that will be drafted into the NFL this year. I'm guessing that compares very favorably against all but the very best of your P5's.

It's a team sport brother. La Tech and W. Kentucky are good G5 schools. That doesn't mean they could compete with the best P5 schools.

And every year there are some flash in the pan P5 schools that make some waves and bark about being included in the playoffs and then UW happens when they go up against a real team. Now, I don't know what happened to OSU and I don't care. But historically they've shown that they can win a playoff game and a national title and belong in that upper echelon of 6-8 teams. Other P5 schools can't compete with the best P5 schools, but they get the chance and so should we.

And you also fail to consider that 90% of the G5/P5 games are on their fields. If that number was 50% because we were in a conference with them, we win a hell of a lot more of them with the exact same budget and players we have now.

(01-02-2017 06:06 PM)Shrack Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:14 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Alabama is on another level.

Then it's p5 then its g5

The PAC 12 had a down year because Oregon and Stanford weren't where they usually are.

Once again however, don't let that fool anyone. P5 is clearly on another level

And as for Washington, they weren't even supposed to be this good this year. Most people think next year is going to be their year.

You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

Disagree. Put half of the G5 into any P5 conference and with that kind of money and recruiting prestige they would do better than the below:

Kansas
Rutgers
Virginia
Purdue
Iowa State
Syracuse
Duke
Oregon State
Wake Forest
Vandy
Kentucky
Indiana

etc etc

The G5 vs P5 record only looks so bad because 70% of those games are road games for G5. Another 10-15% are neutral site. The last 15-20% are home games.

Is there a talent gap? Obviously. But it is no where as large as it is made out to be. Same thing happens in men's basketball. 70-90% of the games are on the road. Money buys wins and prestige which just gets you more money.

That's never going to happen. What you are suggesting is taking half of the G5 schools and turning them into P5 schools and then they would be P5 schools? Of course. That is why they are P5 schools.

They get better recruits because they are better schools. They get better money because they have more fans.

Do you honestly think conferences would keep those bottom teams around if they thought some good G5 would be a better fit?

(01-02-2017 06:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:06 PM)Shrack Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

Disagree. Put half of the G5 into any P5 conference and with that kind of money and recruiting prestige they would do better than the below:

Kansas
Rutgers
Virginia
Purdue
Iowa State
Syracuse
Duke
Oregon State
Wake Forest
Vandy
Kentucky
Indiana

etc etc

The G5 vs P5 record only looks so bad because 70% of those games are road games for G5. Another 10-15% are neutral site. The last 15-20% are home games.

Is there a talent gap? Obviously. But it is no where as large as it is made out to be. Same thing happens in men's basketball. 70-90% of the games are on the road. Money buys wins and prestige which just gets you more money.

That's never going to happen. What you are suggesting is taking half of the G5 schools and turning them into P5 schools and then they would be P5 schools? Of course. That is why they are P5 schools.

They get better recruits because they are better schools. They get better money because they have more fans.

Do you honestly think conferences would keep those bottom teams around if they thought some good G5 would be a better fit?

No **** it's never going to happen and I'm not suggesting it.

You said the G5 couldn't compete playing a P5 schedule every week. If they were in those conferences, they would. They'd also have that prestige and access to better bowls/playoffs/more money. They'd also have 7-8 home games. Many G5 schools would've been in the top of the B12 this year without the conference prestige.

(01-02-2017 06:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:33 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

LA Tech sent 6 players to the NFL last year, including a first round draft choice. We also have 3 NFL Hall of Famers, and more guys that will be drafted into the NFL this year. I'm guessing that compares very favorably against all but the very best of your P5's.

It's a team sport brother. La Tech and W. Kentucky are good G5 schools. That doesn't mean they could compete with the best P5 schools.

And every year there are some flash in the pan P5 schools that make some waves and bark about being included in the playoffs and then UW happens when they go up against a real team. Now, I don't know what happened to OSU and I don't care. But historically they've shown that they can win a playoff game and a national title and belong in that upper echelon of 6-8 teams. Other P5 schools can't compete with the best P5 schools, but they get the chance and so should we.

And you also fail to consider that 90% of the G5/P5 games are on their fields. If that number was 50% because we were in a conference with them, we win a hell of a lot more of them with the exact same budget and players we have now.

Did you even watch the game? Washington was in that game for three quarters. They did a hell of a lot better against Alabama than Ohio St. did against Clemson.

I'm sorry brother but you are never going to convince anyone that G5 vs. P5 schools are in any way comparable. It's not just football, it's facilities basketball etc. etc.

Why on earth would a P5 school want to play a G5 school in their house? It usually makes no financial sense. No offense dude but there are high school stadiums in Texas that are nicer than some G5 stadiums.

It just isn't going to happen.

(01-02-2017 06:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:33 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

LA Tech sent 6 players to the NFL last year, including a first round draft choice. We also have 3 NFL Hall of Famers, and more guys that will be drafted into the NFL this year. I'm guessing that compares very favorably against all but the very best of your P5's.

It's a team sport brother. La Tech and W. Kentucky are good G5 schools. That doesn't mean they could compete with the best P5 schools.

LA Tech and WKU (and a lot of other G5's) can certainly "compete with the best P5 schools" as well as the majority of P5's can. You're making the classic mistake...the same mistake that SEC fans make; just because Alabama is tough doesn't mean the entire SEC is.

It's the same for the PAC 12, etc.... There's usually a tough guy at the top, and everybody else is pretty mediocre. And if most of the P5's played any of these games on G5 turf, you'd learn that very quickly.

(01-02-2017 08:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:33 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

LA Tech sent 6 players to the NFL last year, including a first round draft choice. We also have 3 NFL Hall of Famers, and more guys that will be drafted into the NFL this year. I'm guessing that compares very favorably against all but the very best of your P5's.

It's a team sport brother. La Tech and W. Kentucky are good G5 schools. That doesn't mean they could compete with the best P5 schools.

And every year there are some flash in the pan P5 schools that make some waves and bark about being included in the playoffs and then UW happens when they go up against a real team. Now, I don't know what happened to OSU and I don't care. But historically they've shown that they can win a playoff game and a national title and belong in that upper echelon of 6-8 teams. Other P5 schools can't compete with the best P5 schools, but they get the chance and so should we.

And you also fail to consider that 90% of the G5/P5 games are on their fields. If that number was 50% because we were in a conference with them, we win a hell of a lot more of them with the exact same budget and players we have now.

Did you even watch the game? Washington was in that game for three quarters. They did a hell of a lot better against Alabama than Ohio St. did against Clemson.

I'm sorry brother but you are never going to convince anyone that G5 vs. P5 schools are in any way comparable. It's not just football, it's facilities basketball etc. etc.

Why on earth would a P5 school want to play a G5 school in their house? It usually makes no financial sense. No offense dude but there are high school stadiums in Texas that are nicer than some G5 stadiums.

It just isn't going to happen.

Dude....I watched that Alabama vs Washington game, and that game WAS NEVER IN DOUBT!. Furthermore, I'm watching USC in the Rose Bowl RIGHT NOW, and I suddenly remembered that USC lost to Alabama 52-6 earlier THIS SEASON. For the record, LA Tech beat Alabama the last two times we played 'em including a year they WON the SEC title and were ranked in the Top 5. And we beat them IN THEIR HOUSE! So don't tell me G5's can't compete. LOL!!!

(01-02-2017 08:49 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 08:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:33 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  LA Tech sent 6 players to the NFL last year, including a first round draft choice. We also have 3 NFL Hall of Famers, and more guys that will be drafted into the NFL this year. I'm guessing that compares very favorably against all but the very best of your P5's.

It's a team sport brother. La Tech and W. Kentucky are good G5 schools. That doesn't mean they could compete with the best P5 schools.

And every year there are some flash in the pan P5 schools that make some waves and bark about being included in the playoffs and then UW happens when they go up against a real team. Now, I don't know what happened to OSU and I don't care. But historically they've shown that they can win a playoff game and a national title and belong in that upper echelon of 6-8 teams. Other P5 schools can't compete with the best P5 schools, but they get the chance and so should we.

And you also fail to consider that 90% of the G5/P5 games are on their fields. If that number was 50% because we were in a conference with them, we win a hell of a lot more of them with the exact same budget and players we have now.

Did you even watch the game? Washington was in that game for three quarters. They did a hell of a lot better against Alabama than Ohio St. did against Clemson.

I'm sorry brother but you are never going to convince anyone that G5 vs. P5 schools are in any way comparable. It's not just football, it's facilities basketball etc. etc.

Why on earth would a P5 school want to play a G5 school in their house? It usually makes no financial sense. No offense dude but there are high school stadiums in Texas that are nicer than some G5 stadiums.

It just isn't going to happen.

Dude....I watched that Alabama vs Washington game, and that game WAS NEVER IN DOUBT!. Furthermore, I'm watching USC in the Rose Bowl RIGHT NOW, and I suddenly remembered that USC lost to Alabama 52-6 earlier THIS SEASON. For the record, LA Tech beat Alabama the last two times we played 'em including a year they WON the SEC title and were ranked in the Top 5. And we beat them IN THEIR HOUSE! So don't tell me G5's can't compete. LOL!!!

Again you are talking about a hand full of games here and there.

G5 schools would never compete in a conference like the SEC on a week by week basis. They don't have the depth, or the athletes to do it. By the end of the season, they would have to forfeit.

(01-02-2017 09:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 08:49 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 08:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  It's a team sport brother. La Tech and W. Kentucky are good G5 schools. That doesn't mean they could compete with the best P5 schools.

And every year there are some flash in the pan P5 schools that make some waves and bark about being included in the playoffs and then UW happens when they go up against a real team. Now, I don't know what happened to OSU and I don't care. But historically they've shown that they can win a playoff game and a national title and belong in that upper echelon of 6-8 teams. Other P5 schools can't compete with the best P5 schools, but they get the chance and so should we.

And you also fail to consider that 90% of the G5/P5 games are on their fields. If that number was 50% because we were in a conference with them, we win a hell of a lot more of them with the exact same budget and players we have now.

Did you even watch the game? Washington was in that game for three quarters. They did a hell of a lot better against Alabama than Ohio St. did against Clemson.

I'm sorry brother but you are never going to convince anyone that G5 vs. P5 schools are in any way comparable. It's not just football, it's facilities basketball etc. etc.

Why on earth would a P5 school want to play a G5 school in their house? It usually makes no financial sense. No offense dude but there are high school stadiums in Texas that are nicer than some G5 stadiums.

It just isn't going to happen.

Dude....I watched that Alabama vs Washington game, and that game WAS NEVER IN DOUBT!. Furthermore, I'm watching USC in the Rose Bowl RIGHT NOW, and I suddenly remembered that USC lost to Alabama 52-6 earlier THIS SEASON. For the record, LA Tech beat Alabama the last two times we played 'em including a year they WON the SEC title and were ranked in the Top 5. And we beat them IN THEIR HOUSE! So don't tell me G5's can't compete. LOL!!!

Again you are talking about a hand full of games here and there.

G5 schools would never compete in a conference like the SEC on a week by week basis. They don't have the depth, or the athletes to do it. By the end of the season, they would have to forfeit.

Classic, unwarranted, unjustified P5 arrogance.

(01-02-2017 09:28 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 08:49 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 08:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  And every year there are some flash in the pan P5 schools that make some waves and bark about being included in the playoffs and then UW happens when they go up against a real team. Now, I don't know what happened to OSU and I don't care. But historically they've shown that they can win a playoff game and a national title and belong in that upper echelon of 6-8 teams. Other P5 schools can't compete with the best P5 schools, but they get the chance and so should we.

And you also fail to consider that 90% of the G5/P5 games are on their fields. If that number was 50% because we were in a conference with them, we win a hell of a lot more of them with the exact same budget and players we have now.

Did you even watch the game? Washington was in that game for three quarters. They did a hell of a lot better against Alabama than Ohio St. did against Clemson.

I'm sorry brother but you are never going to convince anyone that G5 vs. P5 schools are in any way comparable. It's not just football, it's facilities basketball etc. etc.

Why on earth would a P5 school want to play a G5 school in their house? It usually makes no financial sense. No offense dude but there are high school stadiums in Texas that are nicer than some G5 stadiums.

It just isn't going to happen.

Dude....I watched that Alabama vs Washington game, and that game WAS NEVER IN DOUBT!. Furthermore, I'm watching USC in the Rose Bowl RIGHT NOW, and I suddenly remembered that USC lost to Alabama 52-6 earlier THIS SEASON. For the record, LA Tech beat Alabama the last two times we played 'em including a year they WON the SEC title and were ranked in the Top 5. And we beat them IN THEIR HOUSE! So don't tell me G5's can't compete. LOL!!!

Again you are talking about a hand full of games here and there.

G5 schools would never compete in a conference like the SEC on a week by week basis. They don't have the depth, or the athletes to do it. By the end of the season, they would have to forfeit.

Classic, unwarranted, unjustified P5 arrogance.

It's a fact. P5 schools have more blue chip players than G5 schools. The G5 school might field a good starting team but over several weeks of playing better athletes , they wouldn't be able to field those players for an entire season.

I've watched a lot of football and if it is one thing that is apparent when a P5 school plays a G5 school, it's that the P5 school has better and stronger athletes and they eventually just wear down the lesser school.

If that played out throughout an entire season, it would be absolutely devastating.

Drone on with P5 props...Uh--wrong board.

(01-02-2017 09:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:28 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 08:49 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 08:18 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Did you even watch the game? Washington was in that game for three quarters. They did a hell of a lot better against Alabama than Ohio St. did against Clemson.

I'm sorry brother but you are never going to convince anyone that G5 vs. P5 schools are in any way comparable. It's not just football, it's facilities basketball etc. etc.

Why on earth would a P5 school want to play a G5 school in their house? It usually makes no financial sense. No offense dude but there are high school stadiums in Texas that are nicer than some G5 stadiums.

It just isn't going to happen.

Dude....I watched that Alabama vs Washington game, and that game WAS NEVER IN DOUBT!. Furthermore, I'm watching USC in the Rose Bowl RIGHT NOW, and I suddenly remembered that USC lost to Alabama 52-6 earlier THIS SEASON. For the record, LA Tech beat Alabama the last two times we played 'em including a year they WON the SEC title and were ranked in the Top 5. And we beat them IN THEIR HOUSE! So don't tell me G5's can't compete. LOL!!!

Again you are talking about a hand full of games here and there.

G5 schools would never compete in a conference like the SEC on a week by week basis. They don't have the depth, or the athletes to do it. By the end of the season, they would have to forfeit.

Classic, unwarranted, unjustified P5 arrogance.

It's a fact. P5 schools have more blue chip players than G5 schools. The G5 school might field a good starting team but over several weeks of playing better athletes , they wouldn't be able to field those players for an entire season.

I've watched a lot of football and if it is one thing that is apparent when a P5 school plays a G5 school, it's that the P5 school has better and stronger athletes and they eventually just wear down the lesser school.

If that played out throughout an entire season, it would be absolutely devastating.

So explain Utah, who was a G5 school. They got the chance to join the Pac-12 and a few years in they are now ranked fairly regularly. Or TCU, who was a G5, joined the Big XII, and in year 3 won a share of the conference title. Or Louisville, who... you get the point.

The G5 don't have the good players because they get almost ZERO media coverage. Good players want to play on national TV. Give the good G5 matchups national exposure, and you'll eventually see, over time, the recruiting and fan bases improve. Look at Houston, who has started getting a lot more coverage and became the first G5 school to get a 5* recruit.

La Tech lost to Arkansas, at Arky, by 1 point, with a backup QB who was a RS Freshman THAT HAD NEVER PLAYED A DOWN OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Imagine if we had had our starting QB for that game?

Boise State is 3-0 in the Fiesta Bowl, including wins over the Big XII champ and a Pac-12 team. This year? 2-0 against Pac-12 teams, and they weren't even the best team in the Mountain West. Put them in the Pac-12 and you'd see them competing at the top within a few years.

Houston beat the eventual Big XII champs and one of the better ACC teams, but lost to 4 G5 teams.

Is the average P5 team better than the average G5 team? Sure. But are there plenty of G5 teams that could compete with the P5? Definitely. In the 3 years of the NY6, the G5 team is 2-1, with the only loss coming this year, and WMU only lost by 1 score. In the BCS era, "BCS Busters" went 4-2 against AQ teams.

Here's the bottom line. P5 fans and the media push the idea that the G5 are "cupcakes" and usually just ignore them. We get NO COVERAGE by the media. Give us the same exposure you get (or even a chunk) and you'd see a change over a few years.

Oh and one more thing. Hard to have sustained success when you guys steal our best coaches after just a couple of seasons.

The system currently sets up the G5 to fail. Kudos to those that can have success despite it.

(01-03-2017 01:03 AM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:28 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 08:49 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  Dude....I watched that Alabama vs Washington game, and that game WAS NEVER IN DOUBT!. Furthermore, I'm watching USC in the Rose Bowl RIGHT NOW, and I suddenly remembered that USC lost to Alabama 52-6 earlier THIS SEASON. For the record, LA Tech beat Alabama the last two times we played 'em including a year they WON the SEC title and were ranked in the Top 5. And we beat them IN THEIR HOUSE! So don't tell me G5's can't compete. LOL!!!

Again you are talking about a hand full of games here and there.

G5 schools would never compete in a conference like the SEC on a week by week basis. They don't have the depth, or the athletes to do it. By the end of the season, they would have to forfeit.

Classic, unwarranted, unjustified P5 arrogance.

It's a fact. P5 schools have more blue chip players than G5 schools. The G5 school might field a good starting team but over several weeks of playing better athletes , they wouldn't be able to field those players for an entire season.

I've watched a lot of football and if it is one thing that is apparent when a P5 school plays a G5 school, it's that the P5 school has better and stronger athletes and they eventually just wear down the lesser school.

If that played out throughout an entire season, it would be absolutely devastating.

So explain Utah, who was a G5 school. They got the chance to join the Pac-12 and a few years in they are now ranked fairly regularly. Or TCU, who was a G5, joined the Big XII, and in year 3 won a share of the conference title. Or Louisville, who... you get the point.

The G5 don't have the good players because they get almost ZERO media coverage. Good players want to play on national TV. Give the good G5 matchups national exposure, and you'll eventually see, over time, the recruiting and fan bases improve. Look at Houston, who has started getting a lot more coverage and became the first G5 school to get a 5* recruit.

La Tech lost to Arkansas, at Arky, by 1 point, with a backup QB who was a RS Freshman THAT HAD NEVER PLAYED A DOWN OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Imagine if we had had our starting QB for that game?

Boise State is 3-0 in the Fiesta Bowl, including wins over the Big XII champ and a Pac-12 team. This year? 2-0 against Pac-12 teams, and they weren't even the best team in the Mountain West. Put them in the Pac-12 and you'd see them competing at the top within a few years.

Houston beat the eventual Big XII champs and one of the better ACC teams, but lost to 4 G5 teams.

Is the average P5 team better than the average G5 team? Sure. But are there plenty of G5 teams that could compete with the P5? Definitely. In the 3 years of the NY6, the G5 team is 2-1, with the only loss coming this year, and WMU only lost by 1 score. In the BCS era, "BCS Busters" went 4-2 against AQ teams.

Here's the bottom line. P5 fans and the media push the idea that the G5 are "cupcakes" and usually just ignore them. We get NO COVERAGE by the media. Give us the same exposure you get (or even a chunk) and you'd see a change over a few years.

Oh and one more thing. Hard to have sustained success when you guys steal our best coaches after just a couple of seasons.

The system currently sets up the G5 to fail. Kudos to those that can have success despite it.

You see the media bias and how they tend to prop up schools that fit their current narrative (whatever that may be)...

But Houston was not the first non-power school to land a 5* recruit...USM did it before Houston, and I'm sure a thorough check of history will reveal that some other non-power school may have pulled it off sooner...

Even if we relegate it only to the era of recruiting service, that media narrative is fallible, and factually, incorrect.

(01-03-2017 07:57 AM)DNEagle Wrote:  

(01-03-2017 01:03 AM)techdawg28 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:28 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 09:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Again you are talking about a hand full of games here and there.

G5 schools would never compete in a conference like the SEC on a week by week basis. They don't have the depth, or the athletes to do it. By the end of the season, they would have to forfeit.

Classic, unwarranted, unjustified P5 arrogance.

It's a fact. P5 schools have more blue chip players than G5 schools. The G5 school might field a good starting team but over several weeks of playing better athletes , they wouldn't be able to field those players for an entire season.

I've watched a lot of football and if it is one thing that is apparent when a P5 school plays a G5 school, it's that the P5 school has better and stronger athletes and they eventually just wear down the lesser school.

If that played out throughout an entire season, it would be absolutely devastating.

So explain Utah, who was a G5 school. They got the chance to join the Pac-12 and a few years in they are now ranked fairly regularly. Or TCU, who was a G5, joined the Big XII, and in year 3 won a share of the conference title. Or Louisville, who... you get the point.

The G5 don't have the good players because they get almost ZERO media coverage. Good players want to play on national TV. Give the good G5 matchups national exposure, and you'll eventually see, over time, the recruiting and fan bases improve. Look at Houston, who has started getting a lot more coverage and became the first G5 school to get a 5* recruit.

La Tech lost to Arkansas, at Arky, by 1 point, with a backup QB who was a RS Freshman THAT HAD NEVER PLAYED A DOWN OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. Imagine if we had had our starting QB for that game?

Boise State is 3-0 in the Fiesta Bowl, including wins over the Big XII champ and a Pac-12 team. This year? 2-0 against Pac-12 teams, and they weren't even the best team in the Mountain West. Put them in the Pac-12 and you'd see them competing at the top within a few years.

Houston beat the eventual Big XII champs and one of the better ACC teams, but lost to 4 G5 teams.

Is the average P5 team better than the average G5 team? Sure. But are there plenty of G5 teams that could compete with the P5? Definitely. In the 3 years of the NY6, the G5 team is 2-1, with the only loss coming this year, and WMU only lost by 1 score. In the BCS era, "BCS Busters" went 4-2 against AQ teams.

Here's the bottom line. P5 fans and the media push the idea that the G5 are "cupcakes" and usually just ignore them. We get NO COVERAGE by the media. Give us the same exposure you get (or even a chunk) and you'd see a change over a few years.

Oh and one more thing. Hard to have sustained success when you guys steal our best coaches after just a couple of seasons.

The system currently sets up the G5 to fail. Kudos to those that can have success despite it.

You see the media bias and how they tend to prop up schools that fit their current narrative (whatever that may be)...

But Houston was not the first non-power school to land a 5* recruit...USM did it before Houston, and I'm sure a thorough check of history will reveal that some other non-power school may have pulled it off sooner...

Even if we relegate it only to the era of recruiting service, that media narrative is fallible, and factually, incorrect.

G5's might not land them straight outa high school as often, but I know WKU has had its share of 4 stars and a couple 5 stars transfer in. That includes a pair from UoL this season which helped our defense

(01-02-2017 06:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:06 PM)Shrack Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 05:28 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:33 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:26 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  You are CLEARLY mistaken.

Category 1: It's Alabama on a level all by itself.....

Category 2: Then it's typically 6-8 P5 schools --but maybe as many as 12-- playing on a very high level.....

Category 3: Then, it's everybody else......... including ALL remaining P5's and 70% of the G5's.

Category 4: The remaining 30% of G5's.

There's just not that much difference in the Category 3 schools. And if the P5 schools in THIS category had to play the G5's on their schedule ON THE ROAD more often, you'd finally understand this.

Yep Georgia State almost beat Wisconsin this season as well as Troy almost beat Clemson and App State should have beat Tennessee

Anybody can beat anybody on any given week. That doesn't mean that you are somehow worthy of being on a P5 level. Very few, if any, G5 schools would have the same success if they had to play a P5 school every single week.

Look I get it. You love your G5 team but come on man. We had to deal with this stuff with ECU fans a few years ago.

Disagree. Put half of the G5 into any P5 conference and with that kind of money and recruiting prestige they would do better than the below:

Kansas
Rutgers
Virginia
Purdue
Iowa State
Syracuse
Duke
Oregon State
Wake Forest
Vandy
Kentucky
Indiana

etc etc

The G5 vs P5 record only looks so bad because 70% of those games are road games for G5. Another 10-15% are neutral site. The last 15-20% are home games.

Is there a talent gap? Obviously. But it is no where as large as it is made out to be. Same thing happens in men's basketball. 70-90% of the games are on the road. Money buys wins and prestige which just gets you more money.

That's never going to happen. What you are suggesting is taking half of the G5 schools and turning them into P5 schools and then they would be P5 schools? Of course. That is why they are P5 schools.

They get better recruits because they are better schools. They get better money because they have more fans.

Do you honestly think conferences would keep those bottom teams around if they thought some good G5 would be a better fit?

Yes, I do unfortunately. Legal complications (most of these teams were grandfathered in btw) restrict conferences from kicking out teams that don't do so well in football, and besides that, they usually make up for it in a different sport. Everyone loves to pick on Vandy football, but if you took a look at Vandy basketball, you'd see a SEC powerhouse. Duke is extremely well known in men's basketball too, and Wake Forest is no slouch either when it comes to hoops.