(12-14-2016 04:01 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Hey PCM,

Gotta tip my hat to you on this thread..... You're making solid points without casting aspersions and really giving me something to think about.

I agree. It's amazing how political discourse can be when you put aside preconceived notions and just have a conversation. Props to you pcm.

(12-14-2016 05:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  It is debatable whether school vouchers are good or bad for the black community as a matter of political opinion.

Is that really debatable? I suppose it's worse for those black people who don't care, but for those who do care I can see no way that providing them with an additional choice is not a positive.

The political implications may be debatable, but I think that is largely because the black vote remains largely captive for the democrats, who really don't give a damn about black people, except making sure they have their votes.

Keep 'em poor, keep 'em dumb, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you will keep 'em as reliably democrat voters.

(12-14-2016 06:08 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 05:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  It is debatable whether school vouchers are good or bad for the black community as a matter of political opinion.

Is that really debatable? I suppose it's worse for those black people who don't care, but for those who do care I can see no way that providing them with an additional choice is not a positive.

The political implications may be debatable, but I think that is largely because the black vote remains largely captive for the democrats, who really don't give a damn about black people, except making sure they have their votes.

Keep 'em poor, keep 'em dumb, keep 'em dependent on handouts, and you will keep 'em as reliably democrat voters.

I was trying to be as fair as possible... also 'school vouchers' is a loaded comment like any other policy summed up in two words. Who would be against 'affordable care', but the affordable care act is a disaster. I'm sure someone could screw up school vouchers or anything else if they wanted to

(12-14-2016 04:01 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Hey PCM,

Gotta tip my hat to you on this thread..... You're making solid points without casting aspersions and really giving me something to think about.

Cool. I do want to point out some things in the video you just posted. Jim Brown gave details of his meeting with Trump in an interview with Roland Martin. The meeting was actually set up by Pastor Darrel Scott. He asked Jim Brown to accompany him. Jim Brown stated that he didn’t go there asking him to deliver anything. That he went with a program. He stated that Trump bought the concept that we brought dealing with violence and education and he said he would back it.

He also stated that he was misquoted. He didn't say that he fell in love with Trump. He said that he fell in love with Pastor Scott but main stream media ran the other way with it. (Could this be fake news? LOL)

He has faith that Trump is going to back his concept. I certainly hope he does. You can listen to the interview below. Roland Martin also gave a point that if Trump really wants to put a finger on the pulse of black america then he needs to also talk to black media.

http://blackamericaweb.com/2016/12/14/ha...p-meeting/

Trump is going to have a lot of blacks voting for him in 2020.

He is going to spend a lot of time reaching out and lifting up those communities.

(12-14-2016 07:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Trump is going to have a lot of blacks voting for him in 2020.

He is going to spend a lot of time reaching out and lifting up those communities.

So you think he's going to run for a second term? He's really going to have to do a lot to get that black vote. Only time will tell.

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If Blacks have the mindset of a Joy Behar nothing will make them vote for a Republican. It is like a disease that they don't want to be cured of regardless of how much a president caters to them. To be a capable voter you have to put the D and the R out of a politicians name and listen to their viewpoints. I've voted for a Demon-crat and if there was one that I could agree with this time around I'd do it again. But Killary never was that person because she was way, way far left as was Oblunder. For all the promises of being a president for Blacks he didn't pan out. In Chicago they are still killing each other and there seems to be no waning. I'll bet that if Trump went to Chicago and let them know what he proposed to end the violence he would be shut down. Why? Because he's not a Demon-crat. They don't care that the Demon-crat administration in Chicago hasn't done squat to protect them they'll still support that administration. Why haven't there been any large scale protest in those Chicago streets?

We talk about stop and frisk and right away the Blacks and those idiot White Progressives will cry about their civil rights. What civil rights do they have now? Blacks killing blacks and it seems no one, black or white wants to end the violence.

As far as this talk about heritage and all that Harmon mentioned that he was Anglo-American. Heck, everyone in El Paso who isn't Hispanic is referred to as an Anglo-American. Seems fair to me. It seems that everyone here refers to people like me as Brown-Americans when in fact there isn't such a thing. I,, like PCM have a preference too. Call me Hispanic and don't call me Brown because even though my pigmentation is a cool, sexy caramel color I'm not of the Brown race as there's no such animal. Heck, you can even call me Native American, but hispanic will do.

(12-14-2016 08:31 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 07:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Trump is going to have a lot of blacks voting for him in 2020.

He is going to spend a lot of time reaching out and lifting up those communities.

So you think he's going to run for a second term? He's really going to have to do a lot to get that black vote. Only time will tell.

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Yes, I agree with Jim Brown that he is likely going to get 2 terms.

Trump already doubled the black vote of McCain and Romney. If he plays his cards right, he can get a lot more in 4 years.

(12-14-2016 08:31 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 07:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Trump is going to have a lot of blacks voting for him in 2020.

He is going to spend a lot of time reaching out and lifting up those communities.

So you think he's going to run for a second term? He's really going to have to do a lot to get that black vote. Only time will tell.

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I doubt he runs for a second term.... Maybe...

I don't think he will "get the black vote" but I would not be amazed to see him peel off 15-20% of it, which could be the first hole in the dam. If Trump is trump, and if he does do a good job listening and his policies do any good at all then he can start chipping away at the the dems.

(12-15-2016 12:11 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:31 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 07:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Trump is going to have a lot of blacks voting for him in 2020.

He is going to spend a lot of time reaching out and lifting up those communities.

So you think he's going to run for a second term? He's really going to have to do a lot to get that black vote. Only time will tell.

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I doubt he runs for a second term.... Maybe...

I don't think he will "get the black vote" but I would not be amazed to see him peel off 15-20% of it, which could be the first hole in the dam. If Trump is trump, and if he does do a good job listening and his policies do any good at all then he can start chipping away at the the dems.

A man with his ego just walking way from, the most powerful position in the world?

I think there is virtually 0% chance of that.

Maybe if the next 4 years are a disaster, but if he does a decent job, there is not way he is not running again imo.

(12-15-2016 12:36 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 12:11 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:31 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 07:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Trump is going to have a lot of blacks voting for him in 2020.

He is going to spend a lot of time reaching out and lifting up those communities.

So you think he's going to run for a second term? He's really going to have to do a lot to get that black vote. Only time will tell.

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I doubt he runs for a second term.... Maybe...

I don't think he will "get the black vote" but I would not be amazed to see him peel off 15-20% of it, which could be the first hole in the dam. If Trump is trump, and if he does do a good job listening and his policies do any good at all then he can start chipping away at the the dems.

A man with his ego just walking way from, the most powerful position in the world?

He's pretty old and can check "been president" off the bucket list, so I could see some chance he's nor running in 4 years.

(12-15-2016 11:06 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 12:36 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 12:11 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:31 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 07:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Trump is going to have a lot of blacks voting for him in 2020.

He is going to spend a lot of time reaching out and lifting up those communities.

So you think he's going to run for a second term? He's really going to have to do a lot to get that black vote. Only time will tell.

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I doubt he runs for a second term.... Maybe...

I don't think he will "get the black vote" but I would not be amazed to see him peel off 15-20% of it, which could be the first hole in the dam. If Trump is trump, and if he does do a good job listening and his policies do any good at all then he can start chipping away at the the dems.

A man with his ego just walking way from, the most powerful position in the world?

He's pretty old and can check "been president" off the bucket list, so I could see some chance he's nor running in 4 years.

Meh, I don't know. I hear the Libturds say he won't even be in office the four years. Something about a magic ball made of crystal. Too bad they couldn't see Killary losing in it.

(12-15-2016 11:06 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 12:36 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(12-15-2016 12:11 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:31 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 07:29 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Trump is going to have a lot of blacks voting for him in 2020.

He is going to spend a lot of time reaching out and lifting up those communities.

So you think he's going to run for a second term? He's really going to have to do a lot to get that black vote. Only time will tell.

Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

I doubt he runs for a second term.... Maybe...

I don't think he will "get the black vote" but I would not be amazed to see him peel off 15-20% of it, which could be the first hole in the dam. If Trump is trump, and if he does do a good job listening and his policies do any good at all then he can start chipping away at the the dems.

A man with his ego just walking way from, the most powerful position in the world?

He's pretty old and can check "been president" off the bucket list, so I could see some chance he's nor running in 4 years.

If he was a frail old man I would agree.

He is the total opposite of that.

I truly hope that Trump is able to set in motion the programs necessary to lift the AA community to heights it never even dreamed of, at least not since the days of MLK. If we are going to fix our economic and budgetary woes as a country we need everyone rowing the boat in the same direction, more people working, less people on welfare. That goes for my area also. Appalachia is as economically depressed as the worst of the large, urban, inner cities.

Can he do it? Who knows, nobody has really made a positive dent in the problem for 50 years. If somehow he does, I certainly hope he will serve a second term, or at least inspire other non-career politicians to get involved in the process. I think that is the difference with Trump, he's not saddled with "you can't do that" or "that's not a good move for your political future". He's a person who believes his legacy is already written based on what he has already done and now he is really in a place where making things better is going to be his epilogue.