pcm,

Here's the deal man. And I'm not trying to patronize you at all. If you've paid attention historically to politics you should know that basically EVERY single politician has used the AA community for votes. Dems don't even have to try because they know they're getting, and Reps don't care because they know they're not getting it.

Trump has been painted as a racist through this entire election. Question for you, if he's such a racist...why are popular AA's even going to talk to him? The narrative doesn't match his actions.

Also, what legislation should be passed federally to help the AA community?

(12-14-2016 09:24 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:13 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:03 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:59 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:54 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Those aren't the "blacks" trump needs to focus on. It's easy for those "blacks" to like trump because their lifestyles are not like the other "blacks". Kanye and Jim Brown do not represent us. Kanye even lost a lot of fans after his meeting with trump. So no the blacks will never love trump. But we may tolerate him if he follows through with his so call plan for AFRICAN AMERICANS Only time will tell.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-relea...n-renewal1

I'm confused as to how you can spin this negatively. This should be a breath of fresh air for black America.

I'm not spinning anything. How is it a breath of fresh air? You see its easy to bring a famous african american in say that he supports trump and believes in what he is saying. If trump is going to help the african american people he needs to be true to his proposal. As of right now its all talk. Do right by your proposal then you get the praise. Simple as that.

Wouldn't you say that in meeting with both Kanye and Brown - two blacks that have the ear of the black community and have been outspoken - it would appear he is trying to reach out to that community and at minimum, listening to what they believe are issues??

I can't see Hillary doing that ever.........

You are correct - at this point it is all talk, he hasn't assumed the office yet.

Honestly, for a lot of what he has said he wants to do, I'm taking a wait and see attitude and frankly, waiting to see how much political push back he gets from various constituencies. Can he gain supporters from those ranks, etc.

It will be interesting to see what unfolds. My guess is he won't get everything done he wants - no president does. What will he be able to get done in that quagmire that is Washington that seems only to care about enriching themselves first......

I can give you Jim Brown because he has a track record for helping the black community. He has helped shape the black community. Kanye was made by the black community. If we weren't buying his records there would be no Kanye. Someone posted that trump is reaching out to many people that are against him and making a good impression. If he reaches out to a "Roland Martin" and can make a good impression then he will definitely make a mark in the black community.

With all due respect, PCM... YOU (the black community) need to reach BACK.

Seriously, what is the difference between Jim Brown and Barack Obama? They both started from uninspiring backgrounds and rose to greatness in their fields... and now you probably accepted that Obama would 'be good' to black people because he understood them, but you don't give the same deference to Jim Brown NOT because his background is any different, but because he is willing to give at least SOME support to Trump.

It seems far too often that the community puts such unreasonable and unrealistic expectations on anyone who isn't a Democrat for the slightest hint of support, and then cuts immeasurable slack to anyone who IS. Seriously, why SHOULD a Republican expend the effort to reach out to a community that repeatedly does this? The GOOD news for the community is that Trump isn't a Republican.

As Jim Brown suggested, he IS the President... and he won it fair and square... and when Jim Brown reached out to him, Trump reached back (or vice versa, doesn't matter). What you might describe as 'caution' is merely a front for putting up a barrier to success.... because whether you agree or not, there ARE sectors of both the black and white communities that don't want things to improve.

(12-14-2016 11:02 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  pcm,

Here's the deal man. And I'm not trying to patronize you at all. If you've paid attention historically to politics you should know that basically EVERY single politician has used the AA community for votes. Dems don't even have to try because they know they're getting, and Reps don't care because they know they're not getting it.

Trump has been painted as a racist through this entire election. Question for you, if he's such a racist...why are popular AA's even going to talk to him? The narrative doesn't match his actions.

Also, what legislation should be passed federally to help the AA community?

Your first paragraph is correct. I agree with everything you said in it.

Second paragraph I do not have an answer as to why they are talking to him. Maybe its to try and prove to the folks that called him a racist wrong. He has said a lot of things that led to that label. He also said that he wants to help the African American community. One way to find out how is by talking to him. As you pointed to earlier in your first paragraph about the history of politics, politicians narratives never match their actions.

As far as legislative actions, I was never the one to want separate legislations just for african americans. I just want it to be equal across the board. trumps proposal if he follows through should cover this.

(12-14-2016 11:26 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:24 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:13 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:03 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:59 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  I'm confused as to how you can spin this negatively. This should be a breath of fresh air for black America.

I'm not spinning anything. How is it a breath of fresh air? You see its easy to bring a famous african american in say that he supports trump and believes in what he is saying. If trump is going to help the african american people he needs to be true to his proposal. As of right now its all talk. Do right by your proposal then you get the praise. Simple as that.

Wouldn't you say that in meeting with both Kanye and Brown - two blacks that have the ear of the black community and have been outspoken - it would appear he is trying to reach out to that community and at minimum, listening to what they believe are issues??

I can't see Hillary doing that ever.........

You are correct - at this point it is all talk, he hasn't assumed the office yet.

Honestly, for a lot of what he has said he wants to do, I'm taking a wait and see attitude and frankly, waiting to see how much political push back he gets from various constituencies. Can he gain supporters from those ranks, etc.

It will be interesting to see what unfolds. My guess is he won't get everything done he wants - no president does. What will he be able to get done in that quagmire that is Washington that seems only to care about enriching themselves first......

I can give you Jim Brown because he has a track record for helping the black community. He has helped shape the black community. Kanye was made by the black community. If we weren't buying his records there would be no Kanye. Someone posted that trump is reaching out to many people that are against him and making a good impression. If he reaches out to a "Roland Martin" and can make a good impression then he will definitely make a mark in the black community.

With all due respect, PCM... YOU (the black community) need to reach BACK.

Seriously, what is the difference between Jim Brown and Barack Obama? They both started from uninspiring backgrounds and rose to greatness in their fields... and now you probably accepted that Obama would 'be good' to black people because he understood them, but you don't give the same deference to Jim Brown NOT because his background is any different, but because he is willing to give at least SOME support to Trump.

It seems far too often that the community puts such unreasonable and unrealistic expectations on anyone who isn't a Democrat for the slightest hint of support, and then cuts immeasurable slack to anyone who IS. Seriously, why SHOULD a Republican expend the effort to reach out to a community that repeatedly does this? The GOOD news for the community is that Trump isn't a Republican.

As Jim Brown suggested, he IS the President... and he won it fair and square... and when Jim Brown reached out to him, Trump reached back (or vice versa, doesn't matter). What you might describe as 'caution' is merely a front for putting up a barrier to success.... because whether you agree or not, there ARE sectors of both the black and white communities that don't want things to improve.

Bravo sir.

(12-14-2016 11:30 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Your first paragraph is correct. I agree with everything you said in it.

Second paragraph I do not have an answer as to why they are talking to him. Maybe its to try and prove to the folks that called him a racist wrong. He has said a lot of things that led to that label. He also said that he wants to help the African American community. One way to find out how is by talking to him. As you pointed to earlier in your first paragraph about the history of politics, politicians narratives never match their actions.

As far as legislative actions, I was never the one to want separate legislations just for african americans. I just want it to be equal across the board. trumps proposal if he follows through should cover this.

Thank you for the response.

Think about it, Trump will never improve his numbers with blacks since he is a Republican. What does he have to gain politically from this? Nothing. He's doing this because he WANTS to. That is fresh and new from a Republican standpoint. Not to say Reagan or Bush 41 and 43 didn't like black people - they just knew they had nothing to gain because they're voting Democratic no matter what (which works against the community), so they didn't really try to.

And yes, you must have something in mind to help legislate. What is holding back the African American community? You say lack of fairness and opportunity. How do we fix that? Serious question.

(12-14-2016 08:54 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Those aren't the "blacks" trump needs to focus on. It's easy for those "blacks" to like trump because their lifestyles are not like the other "blacks". Kanye and Jim Brown do not represent us. Kanye even lost a lot of fans after his meeting with trump. So no the blacks will never love trump. But we may tolerate him if he follows through with his so call plan for AFRICAN AMERICANS Only time will tell.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-relea...n-renewal1

Black is not a four letter word. Neither is white. Nor brown. It is a simple adjective free of judgement. If you place prejudice on that adjective that is YOUR misplaced prejudice. African American is ACTUALLY disparaging. It is a one step away from a hyphenated American. Why demean through placing in a subclass? How about black American? Just as American as a white American ... but happens to be black. And African American isn't even an accurate description. There's tons of white guys in South Africa. If they immigrate to the United States, what do you call them? White African American? How stupid does this have to get, how far do you have to stretch and contort and torture the language before we just say "it's okay to say black?"

(12-14-2016 11:37 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:30 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Your first paragraph is correct. I agree with everything you said in it.

Second paragraph I do not have an answer as to why they are talking to him. Maybe its to try and prove to the folks that called him a racist wrong. He has said a lot of things that led to that label. He also said that he wants to help the African American community. One way to find out how is by talking to him. As you pointed to earlier in your first paragraph about the history of politics, politicians narratives never match their actions.

As far as legislative actions, I was never the one to want separate legislations just for african americans. I just want it to be equal across the board. trumps proposal if he follows through should cover this.

Thank you for the response.

Think about it, Trump will never improve his numbers with blacks since he is a Republican. What does he have to gain politically from this? Nothing. He's doing this because he WANTS to. That is fresh and new from a Republican standpoint. Not to say Reagan or Bush 41 and 43 didn't like black people - they just knew they had nothing to gain because they're voting Democratic no matter what (which works against the community), so they didn't really try to.

And yes, you must have something in mind to help legislate. What is holding back the African American community? You say lack of fairness and opportunity. How do we fix that? Serious question.

For starters there has to be equal justice under the law. Creation of more jobs and more focus on education. I believe this can be the starting points to help have safer communities and to create opportunities for young african americans to start their own business and create more jobs in the community.

(12-14-2016 11:57 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:37 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:30 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Your first paragraph is correct. I agree with everything you said in it.

Second paragraph I do not have an answer as to why they are talking to him. Maybe its to try and prove to the folks that called him a racist wrong. He has said a lot of things that led to that label. He also said that he wants to help the African American community. One way to find out how is by talking to him. As you pointed to earlier in your first paragraph about the history of politics, politicians narratives never match their actions.

As far as legislative actions, I was never the one to want separate legislations just for african americans. I just want it to be equal across the board. trumps proposal if he follows through should cover this.

Thank you for the response.

Think about it, Trump will never improve his numbers with blacks since he is a Republican. What does he have to gain politically from this? Nothing. He's doing this because he WANTS to. That is fresh and new from a Republican standpoint. Not to say Reagan or Bush 41 and 43 didn't like black people - they just knew they had nothing to gain because they're voting Democratic no matter what (which works against the community), so they didn't really try to.

And yes, you must have something in mind to help legislate. What is holding back the African American community? You say lack of fairness and opportunity. How do we fix that? Serious question.

For starters there has to be equal justice under the law. Creation of more jobs and more focus on education. I believe this can be the starting points to help have safer communities and to create opportunities for young african americans to start their own business and create more jobs in the community.

I agree with all of that. The question is, do we entrust the federal government to create more jobs for these communities? And you bring up education, which is important, how do we improve this efficiently? These are the questions that must be answered. We've thrown money federally at educational programs for decades and they haven't improved anything.

(12-14-2016 11:40 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:54 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Those aren't the "blacks" trump needs to focus on. It's easy for those "blacks" to like trump because their lifestyles are not like the other "blacks". Kanye and Jim Brown do not represent us. Kanye even lost a lot of fans after his meeting with trump. So no the blacks will never love trump. But we may tolerate him if he follows through with his so call plan for AFRICAN AMERICANS Only time will tell.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-relea...n-renewal1

Black is not a four letter word. Neither is white. Nor brown. It is a simple adjective free of judgement. If you place prejudice on that adjective that is YOUR misplaced prejudice. African American is ACTUALLY disparaging. It is a one step away from a hyphenated American. Why demean through placing in a subclass? How about black American? Just as American as a white American ... but happens to be black. And African American isn't even an accurate description. There's tons of white guys in South Africa. If they immigrate to the United States, what do you call them? White African American? How stupid does this have to get, how far do you have to stretch and contort and torture the language before we just say "it's okay to say black?"

Its very simple. African American describes my heritage. Yes there are tons of white guys in Africa but I don't think there heritage is african. Pretty sure they came from another country. I don't see it as being prejudice at all. Black american works just as well. I just prefer African American.

Really,.... what part of the Africa?

(12-14-2016 12:08 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Black american works just as well.

Excellent then we're on the same page.

Fair point on the heritage.

(12-14-2016 09:19 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  (And yes, I intentionally refuse to use the term African Americanm since nobody uses my heritage in describing me...)

Listen, if you want us all to call you a proud Croatian-Fijian, we will.

(12-14-2016 02:40 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Saw that earlier tonight. Jim Brown doesn't make statements like that unless he means it. Kanye West also met with Trump today and it went well also. Trump is reaching out to many people that were against him and he seems to be making a good impression on most of them.

That's a good thing. I think it's good that he is reaching out to people. But why Jim Brown and Kanye West?

(12-14-2016 12:12 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Really,.... what part of the Africa?

Ok. I'll bite. I did an ancestry trace of my heritage. My heritage was traced back to Morocco.

(12-14-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 02:40 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Saw that earlier tonight. Jim Brown doesn't make statements like that unless he means it. Kanye West also met with Trump today and it went well also. Trump is reaching out to many people that were against him and he seems to be making a good impression on most of them.

That's a good thing. I think it's good that he is reaching out to people. But why Jim Brown and Kanye West?

Good question. Jim Brown I can understand. But not Kanye. I would like for him to have a sit down with Roland Martin. I was also gonna suggest Shaun King but he is not open minded enough to have a good discussion.

(12-14-2016 12:56 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:35 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 02:40 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Saw that earlier tonight. Jim Brown doesn't make statements like that unless he means it. Kanye West also met with Trump today and it went well also. Trump is reaching out to many people that were against him and he seems to be making a good impression on most of them.

That's a good thing. I think it's good that he is reaching out to people. But why Jim Brown and Kanye West?

Good question. Jim Brown I can understand. But not Kanye. I would like for him to have a sit down with Roland Martin. I was also gonna suggest Shaun King but he is not open minded enough to have a good discussion.

Like it or not both Jim Brown and Kanye are very recognizable and well known. Are the next two guys you mention as well known universally or just to those that are politically active?? Just wondering?

Trump may be choosing people he knows are well known. He himself has been in the entertainment industry you know......just thinking out loud.

(12-14-2016 09:56 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:25 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 09:03 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:59 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 08:54 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Those aren't the "blacks" trump needs to focus on. It's easy for those "blacks" to like trump because their lifestyles are not like the other "blacks". Kanye and Jim Brown do not represent us. Kanye even lost a lot of fans after his meeting with trump. So no the blacks will never love trump. But we may tolerate him if he follows through with his so call plan for AFRICAN AMERICANS Only time will tell.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-relea...n-renewal1

I'm confused as to how you can spin this negatively. This should be a breath of fresh air for black America.

I'm not spinning anything. How is it a breath of fresh air? You see its easy to bring a famous african american in say that he supports trump and believes in what he is saying. If trump is going to help the african american people he needs to be true to his proposal. As of right now its all talk. Do right by your proposal then you get the praise. Simple as that.

Also its a lot of close door talking. During trumps campaign Tom Joyner who runs one of the largest african american radio stations tried to get trump to come on air and discuss his plans for black america. He declined every time. Yet now we are suppose to get excited and fall in love because he had a meeting with Jim Brown and Kanye West? II'll wait and get excited when he has a positive impact on the black community by following through with his proposal.

I think that Trump is great for you people. He is the only presidential candidate to ever bring up the blacks at all 3 debates. You blacks will be very pleased by Mr. Trump in 4 years, that I can tell you.

So just because he brought up blacks in debates 3 times he is going to be great for us? I see your logic. I will never believe what other posters on this board say about you. You have really enlighten me this morning.

I try my best to share my many years of knowledge to the world and this board. You'll find that many on this board are miserable haters but not me.

I am Anglo-American to reflect my heritage.

Hey PCM,

Gotta tip my hat to you on this thread..... You're making solid points without casting aspersions and really giving me something to think about.

(12-14-2016 11:30 AM)pcm0103 Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:02 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  pcm,

Here's the deal man. And I'm not trying to patronize you at all. If you've paid attention historically to politics you should know that basically EVERY single politician has used the AA community for votes. Dems don't even have to try because they know they're getting, and Reps don't care because they know they're not getting it.

Trump has been painted as a racist through this entire election. Question for you, if he's such a racist...why are popular AA's even going to talk to him? The narrative doesn't match his actions.

Also, what legislation should be passed federally to help the AA community?

Your first paragraph is correct. I agree with everything you said in it.

Second paragraph I do not have an answer as to why they are talking to him. Maybe its to try and prove to the folks that called him a racist wrong. He has said a lot of things that led to that label. He also said that he wants to help the African American community. One way to find out how is by talking to him. As you pointed to earlier in your first paragraph about the history of politics, politicians narratives never match their actions.

As far as legislative actions, I was never the one to want separate legislations just for african americans. I just want it to be equal across the board. trumps proposal if he follows through should cover this.

I agree with this. I noted in the thread on Obama that Europe (who seems to have done a better job of moving past slavery) agrees in that 'affirmative action' is illegal there... and the focus is purely on equality and fair treatment.

But I'd point one thing out... Regardless of Trump's motivations... he isn't making Jim Brown or Ray Lewis or anyone else say anything. OF COURSE he has to back up whatever he said to them, but it seems they gave him a fair shot and are going to give him a fair shot. I'm not talking about policies, which are often a matter of political opinion as to which is better... but of racial equality... which is not.

example... and not the best... but.... It is debatable whether school vouchers are good or bad for the black community as a matter of political opinion... but whether or not such a policy is conducted fairly or not is not.

(12-14-2016 12:12 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Really,.... what part of the Africa?

C'mon Duke.

I don't know what your agenda is, but it's not constructive.