As the Big 10 (with 14) and the Big 12 (with 10) have taught us, it's probably a bad idea to include the number of teams in the name of your conference...

(10-19-2016 10:35 PM)springcat Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:07 PM)cmt Wrote:  You have to fill ACC, B10, SEC and Pac12 with 16 before you can put the leftovers together

ACC needs 2
UCONN & WVU

SEC needs 2
OU and OSU

PAC12 needs 4
Texas, BYU, Hawaii, Colorado State

BIG10 needs 2
Notre Dame and Kansas

Now, turn the rest into a 16 team conference (if we can't get in this one, forget about it )

Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Iowa State
USF
UCF
ECU
Cincinnati
Houston
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Ran out of teams…I think we're in!

You lost me at Hawaii.....and CSU

Otherwise, makes sense

I thought that ND was contractually obligated to join the ACC IF they choose to join a conference.

(10-20-2016 12:12 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:35 PM)springcat Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:07 PM)cmt Wrote:  You have to fill ACC, B10, SEC and Pac12 with 16 before you can put the leftovers together

ACC needs 2
UCONN & WVU

SEC needs 2
OU and OSU

PAC12 needs 4
Texas, BYU, Hawaii, Colorado State

BIG10 needs 2
Notre Dame and Kansas

Now, turn the rest into a 16 team conference (if we can't get in this one, forget about it )

Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Iowa State
USF
UCF
ECU
Cincinnati
Houston
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Ran out of teams…I think we're in!

You lost me at Hawaii.....and CSU

Otherwise, makes sense

I thought that ND was contractually obligated to join the ACC IF they choose to join a conference.

They're under contract to play 5 ACC teams a year... which would make it pretty difficult to join a different conference.

(10-20-2016 12:16 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 12:12 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:35 PM)springcat Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:07 PM)cmt Wrote:  You have to fill ACC, B10, SEC and Pac12 with 16 before you can put the leftovers together

ACC needs 2
UCONN & WVU

SEC needs 2
OU and OSU

PAC12 needs 4
Texas, BYU, Hawaii, Colorado State

BIG10 needs 2
Notre Dame and Kansas

Now, turn the rest into a 16 team conference (if we can't get in this one, forget about it )

Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Iowa State
USF
UCF
ECU
Cincinnati
Houston
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Ran out of teams…I think we're in!

You lost me at Hawaii.....and CSU

Otherwise, makes sense

I thought that ND was contractually obligated to join the ACC IF they choose to join a conference.

They're under contract to play 5 ACC teams a year... which would make it pretty difficult to join a different conference.

But I also think there is language in their contract with the ACC that if ND chooses to join a conference for all sports then they are obligated to join the ACC. I have only heard that a few times on sports talk and not read it myself so that could be wrong or not totally accurate.

I'll play ... craziness, I know.

SEC
East:
Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, NC State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
West:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

ACC
Atlantic:
Boston College, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, UConn, West Virginia
Coastal:
Clemson, Duke, ECU, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, UCF, Wake Forest


BIG 10
East:
Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
West:
Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin

PAC 12
North:
Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, USC, UCLA
South:
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, BYU

BIG 12
East:
Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, USF
West:
Baylor, Colorado State, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech, SMU

(10-20-2016 01:12 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 12:16 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 12:12 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:35 PM)springcat Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:07 PM)cmt Wrote:  You have to fill ACC, B10, SEC and Pac12 with 16 before you can put the leftovers together

ACC needs 2
UCONN & WVU

SEC needs 2
OU and OSU

PAC12 needs 4
Texas, BYU, Hawaii, Colorado State

BIG10 needs 2
Notre Dame and Kansas

Now, turn the rest into a 16 team conference (if we can't get in this one, forget about it )

Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Iowa State
USF
UCF
ECU
Cincinnati
Houston
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Ran out of teams…I think we're in!

You lost me at Hawaii.....and CSU

Otherwise, makes sense

I thought that ND was contractually obligated to join the ACC IF they choose to join a conference.

They're under contract to play 5 ACC teams a year... which would make it pretty difficult to join a different conference.

But I also think there is language in their contract with the ACC that if ND chooses to join a conference for all sports then they are obligated to join the ACC. I have only heard that a few times on sports talk and not read it myself so that could be wrong or not totally accurate.

I heard that too, basically the contract says that they are locked into the ACC for the next 20 years, So if they do decide to join a conference in full, within that time, it's the ACC.

(10-20-2016 02:27 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 01:12 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 12:16 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 12:12 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 10:35 PM)springcat Wrote:  You lost me at Hawaii.....and CSU

Otherwise, makes sense

I thought that ND was contractually obligated to join the ACC IF they choose to join a conference.

They're under contract to play 5 ACC teams a year... which would make it pretty difficult to join a different conference.

But I also think there is language in their contract with the ACC that if ND chooses to join a conference for all sports then they are obligated to join the ACC. I have only heard that a few times on sports talk and not read it myself so that could be wrong or not totally accurate.

I heard that too, basically the contract says that they are locked into the ACC for the next 20 years, So if they do decide to join a conference in full, within that time, it's the ACC.

Yes, ND is tied to the ACC through the GOR effective period from what I've read.

I've always been confused why schools like Northwestern, Vandy, Ky (in football), Kansas, Boston College, etc. have a path to national championship. And a team like Memphis doesn't. Would be interesting to ponder each of the 5 big conferences being required to have 18 or 20 members, 90-100 total teams. (Who'd do the requiring? Not sure.) Then schools like Memphis, Houston, Navy, BYU, etc. would have a legitimate path to a national championship. Each of the conferences would be equal in so far as membership is concerned. Each conference would have two divisions of 9 or 10 members and would play 8 or 9 division games, then a conferences championship game. For national championship, you'd take the 5 conference champs, plus 3 others for a 3 game national championship series.

(10-19-2016 06:58 PM)cmt Wrote:  Secret reasons that you can't divulge here, but OK. They will still go to 16 and we'll still be with a group of leftovers unless they take us. If the group of leftovers can pull it off, it will still be P5 and a decent conference (better than any we've been in since the Metro)

Ah,the Metro!How different would the landscape look if the Metro supported football?Florida St.,Miami,BC,VT,Louisville,Syracuse & Pittsburgh are now in the ACC.They were talked about when the Metro actually thought about football.Memphis,Cincinnati,South Carolina & I can't recall the rest at the moment.One thing is for sure.There never would've been a thing called the Big East football conference.

If only the Raycom idea got off the ground.

(10-20-2016 01:44 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I'll play ... craziness, I know.

SEC
East:
Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, NC State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
West:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

ACC
Atlantic:
Boston College, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, UConn, West Virginia
Coastal:
Clemson, Duke, ECU, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, UCF, Wake Forest


BIG 10
East:
Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
West:
Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin

PAC 12
North:
Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, USC, UCLA
South:
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, BYU

BIG 12
East:
Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, USF
West:
Baylor, Colorado State, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech, SMU

I cant see the ACC taking ECU and UCF. They already have 4 NC teams (3 in your scenario after NC St left) and 2 FL teams. I think Memphis and Houston would be much better adds.

(10-19-2016 06:07 PM)cmt Wrote:  You have to fill ACC, B10, SEC and Pac12 with 16 before you can put the leftovers together

ACC needs 2
UCONN & WVU

SEC needs 2
OU and OSU

PAC12 needs 4
Texas, BYU, Hawaii, Colorado State

BIG10 needs 2
Notre Dame and Kansas

Now, turn the rest into a 16 team conference (if we can't get in this one, forget about it )

Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Iowa State
USF
UCF
ECU
Cincinnati
Houston
Tulane
SMU
Tulsa
Ran out of teams…I think we're in!

There are exactly zero scenarios where BYU will be in the Pac-10/12/14/16.

There are a multitude of reasons, but that's one that will never happen.

(10-20-2016 09:55 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 01:44 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I'll play ... craziness, I know.

SEC
East:
Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, NC State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
West:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

ACC
Atlantic:
Boston College, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, UConn, West Virginia
Coastal:
Clemson, Duke, ECU, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, UCF, Wake Forest


BIG 10
East:
Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
West:
Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin

PAC 12
North:
Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, USC, UCLA
South:
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, BYU

BIG 12
East:
Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, USF
West:
Baylor, Colorado State, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech, SMU

I cant see the ACC taking ECU and UCF. They already have 4 NC teams (3 in your scenario after NC St left) and 2 FL teams. I think Memphis and Houston would be much better adds.

Admittedly, I was playing around with geographic adds, which I know matters very little in these situations.

(10-20-2016 01:44 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I'll play ... craziness, I know.

SEC
East:
Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, NC State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
West:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

ACC
Atlantic:
Boston College, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, UConn, West Virginia
Coastal:
Clemson, Duke, ECU, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, UCF, Wake Forest


BIG 10
East:
Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
West:
Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin

PAC 12
North:
Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, USC, UCLA
South:
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, BYU

BIG 12
East:
Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, USF
West:
Baylor, Colorado State, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech, SMU

Looks about as reasonable as anything I have seen. The only changes I would make are to the ACC.

Get rid of West Virginia (I think they stay in the Big 12) and ECU (totally left out) and replace with Memphis and Notre Dame. I am probably reaching with Memphis bias but I think we end up an attractive market with great upside in athletics, hopefully they see a Louisville 2.0 in us...

Then just kick one school (like SMU) out of the Big 12 to compensate for WVU staying put.

Sadly, under this scenario the Big 12 does not look like a conference deserving to sit at the same table as the other 4 conferences.

(10-21-2016 08:38 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 01:44 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I'll play ... craziness, I know.

SEC
East:
Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, NC State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
West:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

ACC
Atlantic:
Boston College, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, UConn, West Virginia
Coastal:
Clemson, Duke, ECU, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, UCF, Wake Forest


BIG 10
East:
Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
West:
Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin

PAC 12
North:
Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State, USC, UCLA
South:
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, BYU

BIG 12
East:
Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, Tulane, Tulsa, USF
West:
Baylor, Colorado State, Houston, TCU, Texas Tech, SMU

Looks about as reasonable as anything I have seen. The only changes I would make are to the ACC.

Get rid of West Virginia (I think they stay in the Big 12) and ECU (totally left out) and replace with Memphis and Notre Dame. I am probably reaching with Memphis bias but I think we end up an attractive market with great upside in athletics, hopefully they see a Louisville 2.0 in us...

Then just kick one school (like SMU) out of the Big 12 to compensate for WVU staying put.

Sadly, under this scenario the Big 12 does not look like a conference deserving to sit at the same table as the other 4 conferences.

I could see that. I think that should be the play over the next decade (assuming it takes that long) ... focus on the ACC. Because when conferences start to expand to 16 - they will - the Big 12 and ACC are getting raided. I think the ACC will be the more appealing of the 2 after all that dust settles.

I think I like this one better....


SEC: (2)
East:
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West:
Arkansas, Kansas, LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

ACC: (4)
Atlantic:
Clemson, Cincinnati, Florida State, Louisville, Memphis, NC State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Coastal:
Boston College, Duke, Miami (FL), North Carolina, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest

BIG 16: (2)
East:
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
West:
Georgia Tech, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin

PAC 16: (4)
North:
BYU, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington State
South:
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, UCLA, USC,

BIG 12: (8)
East:
Iowa State, Kansas State, Tulsa, UCF, UConn, USF
West:
Baylor, Boise State, Colorado State, Houston, TCU, SMU

Just a note: Navy was asked to join the ACC when it was first formed and has had strong relationship until joining the AAC. With Maryland now in B1G, the Washington Metro area might be ready for another rep in ACC. The rivalry between MD and Navy is very, very intense, and, except for its toxic nature, is a natural one (campuses only 25 or miles apart). {f the schools could work at their differences, a interconference (ACC vs B1G) would be huge. Right now, MD is the second best football program in MD and a distant fourth in the region (behind VT and WVU).

You guys are sooooo last week. The AAC is going to become the dominate league in the US via Netflix. Get with the program.