(08-24-2016 07:40 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 06:08 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  UConn even talking about this -- and their fans wanting it -- is SO typical of the the type of basketball-first thinking that killed the Big East.

People care about college basketball for a maximum of 7 weeks a year. Yes, during February (after the Super Bowl) and for about three weeks in March, it is front and center.

College football gets attention from Spring Practice in April through the summer in the anticipation of the season, all the way through December and into the recruiting season in January. In huge parts of this country, CFB recruiting gets more media eyeballs than college basketball does the entire year.

Fine, UConn. Go play DePaul, Marquette, and St. Johns. Then twiddle your thumbs for 10 months after your football team dies on the vine. Whatever. Kill any chance you'll ever have at joining your peers in the ACC.[/align]

The rest of us will be looking forward to the coming decades rather than obsessing over the past.

The fact that UConn is even considering a move (and who knows if any legitimate discussions have taken place until this date) is a sign of a responsible and reactive athletics department.

The fact is, and UConn is very experienced in this regard, that they could very well be left out of a realignment cycle for the third time in under fifteen years if not selected by the Big 12. They stayed the course in both previous instances, watching Boston College, Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Louisville, Rutgers, Notre Dame and the C7 (that's sixteen other schools BTW) all leave for more money, greater opportunity, and, most importantly, strong stability. Staying the course has been tried before - and there is no guarantee that continuing to do that will result in their ultimate goal of a P5 invitation.

There are no assurances that staying in the American will lead to a P5 invitation for UConn. Similarly, there is no guarantee that moving non-football sports into the Big East (and going independent in football) will result in that same invitation they desire. However, they have been through Door #1 twice already. Do they want to continue trying the same process, the one that they have already been turned down twice already by, in order to achieve their goal? Or do they try Door #2 - a new separate path in which they get into the B1G/ACC? That's what these discussions are all about (not really about whether which of the AAC or Big East is better for them).

As Albert Einstein once said, "The true definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."

Says the Big East fan. The bottom line is do you want to play big time college football or not? FBS.

If Uconn joins the big east they are essentially dropping football. That's fine if that is what they want but I'm not sure it's smart after all the money and resources they've poured into football.

You can still be relevant and play for national titles out of the AAC (in basketball) and you don't lose football.

You guys stink of jealousy big time

(08-24-2016 09:55 PM)Stooky57 Wrote:  You guys stink of jealousy big time

I have fond memories of independent football, but those days are long gone. I wish independent would become a relevant option again, but I don't see it happening.

(08-24-2016 09:55 PM)Stooky57 Wrote:  You guys stink of jealousy big time

You should shut your window, that's Storrs you smell.

UConn could most definitely survive - possibly even thrive - as an FBS independent. It would just need scheduling help from the networks and power conferences. If there is enough financial incentive from, say, Fox, for both UConn and the schools that schedule them as independents, you don't lose anything from a scheduling standpoint. If you get one opponent from each of the power conferences, along with BYU, UMass, Army, and Navy, you have, right there, a very strong schedule that would still give them enough exposure and quality opponents. Again, they would need outside help to get that done, but - from Fox's perspective - they would obviously be benefiting the Big East, and, long-term, possibly establish UConn as a B1G candidate. I am not saying it's easy, but there's definitely a way to make it beneficial for both parties.

Bottom line, if the money, exposure and added benefit is not there on UConn's end (in a potential move to the Big East), they will not leave the American. They will wait out the storm and build towards the next go-around. However, to say that they shouldn't even consider making a change (or that they are wrong to even think about it) would be incredibly ignorant of the current climate within college athletics. All options for UConn (and all AAC schools) should be on the table in order for everyone to survive in the cut-throat environment the G5 find themselves in.

(08-24-2016 10:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  UConn could most definitely survive - possibly even thrive - as an FBS independent. It would just need scheduling help from the networks and power conferences. If there is enough financial incentive from, say, Fox, for both UConn and the schools that schedule them as independents, you don't lose anything from a scheduling standpoint. If you get one opponent from each of the power conferences, along with BYU, UMass, Army, and Navy, you have, right there, a very strong schedule that would still give them enough exposure and quality opponents. Again, they would need outside help to get that done, but - from Fox's perspective - they would obviously be benefiting the Big East, and, long-term, possibly establish UConn as a B1G candidate. I am not saying it's easy, but there's definitely a way to make it beneficial for both parties.

Bottom line, if the money, exposure and added benefit is not there on UConn's end (in a potential move to the Big East), they will not leave the American. They will wait out the storm and build towards the next go-around. However, to say that they shouldn't even consider making a change (or that they are wrong to even think about it) would be incredibly ignorant of the current climate within college athletics. All options for UConn (and all AAC schools) should be on the table in order for everyone to survive in the cut-throat environment the G5 find themselves in.

I don't need convincing.

If they're willing to set out into the wilderness with no bowl agreements, I'm not going to stop them.

(08-24-2016 10:15 PM)Cecil_B_DeMoore Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 09:55 PM)Stooky57 Wrote:  You guys stink of jealousy big time

You should shut your window, that's Storrs you smell.

He's a Boston College fan, pay him no attention. We UCONN fans certainly don't.

(08-24-2016 10:36 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 10:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  UConn could most definitely survive - possibly even thrive - as an FBS independent. It would just need scheduling help from the networks and power conferences. If there is enough financial incentive from, say, Fox, for both UConn and the schools that schedule them as independents, you don't lose anything from a scheduling standpoint. If you get one opponent from each of the power conferences, along with BYU, UMass, Army, and Navy, you have, right there, a very strong schedule that would still give them enough exposure and quality opponents. Again, they would need outside help to get that done, but - from Fox's perspective - they would obviously be benefiting the Big East, and, long-term, possibly establish UConn as a B1G candidate. I am not saying it's easy, but there's definitely a way to make it beneficial for both parties.

Bottom line, if the money, exposure and added benefit is not there on UConn's end (in a potential move to the Big East), they will not leave the American. They will wait out the storm and build towards the next go-around. However, to say that they shouldn't even consider making a change (or that they are wrong to even think about it) would be incredibly ignorant of the current climate within college athletics. All options for UConn (and all AAC schools) should be on the table in order for everyone to survive in the cut-throat environment the G5 find themselves in.

I don't need convincing.

If they're willing to set out into the wilderness with no bowl agreements, I'm not going to stop them.

I'm truly enjoying your blasting UCONN for something they never said........ever.

(08-24-2016 10:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  UConn could most definitely survive - possibly even thrive - as an FBS independent. It would just need scheduling help from the networks and power conferences. If there is enough financial incentive from, say, Fox, for both UConn and the schools that schedule them as independents, you don't lose anything from a scheduling standpoint. If you get one opponent from each of the power conferences, along with BYU, UMass, Army, and Navy, you have, right there, a very strong schedule that would still give them enough exposure and quality opponents. Again, they would need outside help to get that done, but - from Fox's perspective - they would obviously be benefiting the Big East, and, long-term, possibly establish UConn as a B1G candidate. I am not saying it's easy, but there's definitely a way to make it beneficial for both parties.

Bottom line, if the money, exposure and added benefit is not there on UConn's end (in a potential move to the Big East), they will not leave the American. They will wait out the storm and build towards the next go-around. However, to say that they shouldn't even consider making a change (or that they are wrong to even think about it) would be incredibly ignorant of the current climate within college athletics. All options for UConn (and all AAC schools) should be on the table in order for everyone to survive in the cut-throat environment the G5 find themselves in.

byu might not be indy
navy isn't indy
umass doesn't want to be indy longterm

byu says indy isn't sustainability (dramatically bigger football brand than uconn)
umass says its unsustainable
idaho dropped to fcs instead of indy
even ND isn't a true Indy

if fox was somehow willing to manipulate big time football teams to schedule them and go to that extent, IMO then fox would have likely gotten them in the big 12

every p5 is moving to 9 conference games, all require 1 p5 (only the big 10 considers uconn for that requirement), all have atleast 1 buy game, fcs or lower level g5 (uconn doesn't do that), and 40% have out of conference regular rivalries

im sure uconn would survive the first few years but indy for uconn football is a long painful death

(08-24-2016 10:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 10:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  UConn could most definitely survive - possibly even thrive - as an FBS independent. It would just need scheduling help from the networks and power conferences. If there is enough financial incentive from, say, Fox, for both UConn and the schools that schedule them as independents, you don't lose anything from a scheduling standpoint. If you get one opponent from each of the power conferences, along with BYU, UMass, Army, and Navy, you have, right there, a very strong schedule that would still give them enough exposure and quality opponents. Again, they would need outside help to get that done, but - from Fox's perspective - they would obviously be benefiting the Big East, and, long-term, possibly establish UConn as a B1G candidate. I am not saying it's easy, but there's definitely a way to make it beneficial for both parties.

Bottom line, if the money, exposure and added benefit is not there on UConn's end (in a potential move to the Big East), they will not leave the American. They will wait out the storm and build towards the next go-around. However, to say that they shouldn't even consider making a change (or that they are wrong to even think about it) would be incredibly ignorant of the current climate within college athletics. All options for UConn (and all AAC schools) should be on the table in order for everyone to survive in the cut-throat environment the G5 find themselves in.

byu might not be indy
navy isn't indy
umass doesn't want to be indy longterm

byu says indy isn't sustainability (dramatically bigger football brand than uconn)
umass says its unsustainable
idaho dropped to fcs instead of indy
even ND isn't a true Indy

if fox was somehow willing to manipulate big time football teams to schedule them and go to that extent, IMO then fox would have likely gotten them in the big 12

every p5 is moving to 9 conference games, all require 1 p5 (only the big 10 considers uconn for that requirement), all have atleast 1 buy game, fcs or lower level g5 (uconn doesn't do that), and 40% have out of conference regular rivalries

im sure uconn would survive the first few years but indy for uconn football is a long painful death

When did UCONN mention they were going independent? I must've missed that press release.

(08-24-2016 10:59 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  When did UCONN mention they were going independent? I must've missed that press release.

its all hypothetical.. i honestly dont think uconn would leave the AAC..if uconn felt the bball in this league was that weak, theyd encourage the addition of basketball members and i doubt the AAC would oppose if the risk was losing uconn basketball

im certain uconn is putting feelers into the big east, but every team is putting feelers everywhere and making back up plans for everything. im certain houston and all the west teams have atleast contacted the mwc, navy has started looking at indy scheduling, etc etc... im certain non of the above will happen but every administration will do their due diligence.

blauds probably heard of contact, likely meaningless and just blew it up in order to get press for his site

(08-24-2016 10:53 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 10:15 PM)Cecil_B_DeMoore Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 09:55 PM)Stooky57 Wrote:  You guys stink of jealousy big time

You should shut your window, that's Storrs you smell.

He's a Boston College fan, pay him no attention. We UCONN fans certainly don't.

I stand corrected. I guess it's Chestnut Hill that he's smelling. That actually makes much more sense.

I always float the theory that Navy could join the ACC as a football only member and keep the annual game with Notre Dame with UConn joining as a full-member. That gives the ACC 16 members and Notre Dame's schedule goes playing Navy every year while still rotating the remaining 15 ACC members in a 5-game scheduling agreement, so 3 groups of 5 teams remaining in the ACC. Plus, UConn Men's & Women's basketball inventory can be used for the new ACC Network.

(08-25-2016 02:06 AM)Realignment Wrote:  I always float the theory that Navy could join the ACC as a football only member and keep the annual game with Notre Dame with UConn joining as a full-member. That gives the ACC 16 members and Notre Dame's schedule goes playing Navy every year while still rotating the remaining 15 ACC members in a 5-game scheduling agreement, so 3 groups of 5 teams remaining in the ACC. Plus, UConn Men's & Women's basketball inventory can be used for the new ACC Network.

Nice theory but the 15th spot for football in the ACC is RESERVED for NOTRE DAME IF and WHEN they join for football and UCONN will finally get their ticket punched for the P-5 as the final all sports member there providing they are not in the B-12 or B10 at that time. It will take hell freezing over for ND to give up football independence and no shot at playing for the National Championship but Earth has seen the ICE Age before.

(08-22-2016 08:01 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-22-2016 07:31 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN continuing their chess match with ESPN.

ESPN (Bobby Fisher) vs UConn (Ryan Lochte)

I would have gone with Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber...

(08-24-2016 10:30 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  UConn could most definitely survive - possibly even thrive - as an FBS independent. It would just need scheduling help from the networks and power conferences. If there is enough financial incentive from, say, Fox, for both UConn and the schools that schedule them as independents, you don't lose anything from a scheduling standpoint. If you get one opponent from each of the power conferences, along with BYU, UMass, Army, and Navy, you have, right there, a very strong schedule that would still give them enough exposure and quality opponents. Again, they would need outside help to get that done, but - from Fox's perspective - they would obviously be benefiting the Big East, and, long-term, possibly establish UConn as a B1G candidate. I am not saying it's easy, but there's definitely a way to make it beneficial for both parties.

Bottom line, if the money, exposure and added benefit is not there on UConn's end (in a potential move to the Big East), they will not leave the American. They will wait out the storm and build towards the next go-around. However, to say that they shouldn't even consider making a change (or that they are wrong to even think about it) would be incredibly ignorant of the current climate within college athletics. All options for UConn (and all AAC schools) should be on the table in order for everyone to survive in the cut-throat environment the G5 find themselves in.

Ever calm in the face of snark. You're alright GW11.

(08-24-2016 09:32 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:40 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 06:08 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  UConn even talking about this -- and their fans wanting it -- is SO typical of the the type of basketball-first thinking that killed the Big East.

People care about college basketball for a maximum of 7 weeks a year. Yes, during February (after the Super Bowl) and for about three weeks in March, it is front and center.

College football gets attention from Spring Practice in April through the summer in the anticipation of the season, all the way through December and into the recruiting season in January. In huge parts of this country, CFB recruiting gets more media eyeballs than college basketball does the entire year.

Fine, UConn. Go play DePaul, Marquette, and St. Johns. Then twiddle your thumbs for 10 months after your football team dies on the vine. Whatever. Kill any chance you'll ever have at joining your peers in the ACC.[/align]

The rest of us will be looking forward to the coming decades rather than obsessing over the past.

The fact that UConn is even considering a move (and who knows if any legitimate discussions have taken place until this date) is a sign of a responsible and reactive athletics department.

The fact is, and UConn is very experienced in this regard, that they could very well be left out of a realignment cycle for the third time in under fifteen years if not selected by the Big 12. They stayed the course in both previous instances, watching Boston College, Virginia Tech, Miami, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Louisville, Rutgers, Notre Dame and the C7 (that's sixteen other schools BTW) all leave for more money, greater opportunity, and, most importantly, strong stability. Staying the course has been tried before - and there is no guarantee that continuing to do that will result in their ultimate goal of a P5 invitation.

There are no assurances that staying in the American will lead to a P5 invitation for UConn. Similarly, there is no guarantee that moving non-football sports into the Big East (and going independent in football) will result in that same invitation they desire. However, they have been through Door #1 twice already. Do they want to continue trying the same process, the one that they have already been turned down twice already by, in order to achieve their goal? Or do they try Door #2 - a new separate path in which they get into the B1G/ACC? That's what these discussions are all about (not really about whether which of the AAC or Big East is better for them).

As Albert Einstein once said, "The true definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."

Says the Big East fan. The bottom line is do you want to play big time college football or not? FBS.

If Uconn joins the big east they are essentially dropping football. That's fine if that is what they want but I'm not sure it's smart after all the money and resources they've poured into football.

You can still be relevant and play for national titles out of the AAC (in basketball) and you don't lose football.

This is the post. With the AAC performing beyond all expectations in football and basketball, knowing you can win a BCS bowl or a BB nat championship from the AAC... it's beyond stupid to consider leaving. UNLESS it's for a P5 invite.

I don't think UConn will really leave, this is blustering. They should at least wait until we renegotiate our contract. The real problem is, all this bluster weakens our brand. SMH at how our loudest antagonists are within our own ranks... fools who don't realize how they are burning down their own house in an (unnecessarily public) campaign to upgrade conferences. You all know the events I'm referencing...

LOL! That a couple of posters on an obscure website can weaken a conference brand.

(08-25-2016 08:27 AM)payday Wrote:  LOL! That a couple of posters on an obscure website can weaken a conference brand.

If that's all you think it is, then you have not been paying attention while some of us have been trying to build up the AAC... Realignment is making some folks act goofy.

(08-25-2016 08:18 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(08-22-2016 08:01 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(08-22-2016 07:31 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  UCONN continuing their chess match with ESPN.

ESPN (Bobby Fisher) vs UConn (Ryan Lochte)

I would have gone with Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber...

You're right...

ESPN (Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber) vs UCONN (Ryan Lochte)

Still illustrates a large gap, without being over the top.