(07-28-2016 10:32 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:19 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  UNCC is the fastest growing university in the UNC system boasting a 30% increase in enrollment over the last decade, currently 4th largest enrollment in the state, 306 students behind ECU (Link). Where roughly 50%-60% of total growth of the UNC system has taken place over the last 6 years. Let me repeat that 50%-60% of total growth of a 17 member university system has come from one university (Link). As an alum of both ECU and UNCC I would welcome the Niners to the AAC with open arms.

They've played 1 year of FBS football, went 2-10 and 0-8 in CUSA and play in a stadium with a capacity of 15,000. Pump your brakes. Maybe in 10-12 years.

They just need a few years of d-1 talent. Clearly they would need stadium expansion to get to AAC level.

(07-28-2016 10:17 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Buy out Lebo's contract for us and I will support Charlotte to the AAC!

Done. I'll send the application to Compher tomorrow.

(07-28-2016 10:42 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 10:32 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:19 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  UNCC is the fastest growing university in the UNC system boasting a 30% increase in enrollment over the last decade, currently 4th largest enrollment in the state, 306 students behind ECU (Link). Where roughly 50%-60% of total growth of the UNC system has taken place over the last 6 years. Let me repeat that 50%-60% of total growth of a 17 member university system has come from one university (Link). As an alum of both ECU and UNCC I would welcome the Niners to the AAC with open arms.

They've played 1 year of FBS football, went 2-10 and 0-8 in CUSA and play in a stadium with a capacity of 15,000. Pump your brakes. Maybe in 10-12 years.

They just need a few years of d-1 talent. Clearly they would need stadium expansion to get to AAC level.

We'll be better this year. Look at how pathetic our QB (seriously, atrocious) play was last year, still we were competitive in several of our games. If we had pedestrian QB play, we would have won 3 CUSA games (@ODU, FAU & UTSA).

Stadium can be upgraded rapidly with our setup. Also, Niner fans know that we're not a sexy pick for expansion, but the potential is there, just like with ODU.

(07-28-2016 10:32 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:19 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  UNCC is the fastest growing university in the UNC system boasting a 30% increase in enrollment over the last decade, currently 4th largest enrollment in the state, 306 students behind ECU (Link). Where roughly 50%-60% of total growth of the UNC system has taken place over the last 6 years. Let me repeat that 50%-60% of total growth of a 17 member university system has come from one university (Link). As an alum of both ECU and UNCC I would welcome the Niners to the AAC with open arms.

They've played 1 year of FBS football, went 2-10 and 0-8 in CUSA and play in a stadium with a capacity of 15,000. Pump your brakes. Maybe in 10-12 years.

UCF went 0-12 last year and plays in a 44,000 seat stadium. Charlotte's stadium is already ready for expansion if necessary and they could easily play in BoA Stadium during construction.

Purely looking out for ECU's self-interest, Charlotte is the type of program we must keep at arms length, IMO. It's not about the nice facilities and the decent basketball. It's about our position in this state and in the landscape of college football. Two straight losses against them in conference and we're considered the state's 6th best team just like that.

lol, nothing like whoring oneself out to get into a conference no one there wants to be in.

(07-29-2016 07:39 AM)VA49er Wrote:  lol, nothing like whoring oneself out to get into a conference no one there wants to be in.

Everyone in G5 wants to cross over that P5 line to more revenue. It has nothing to do about not wanting to be somewhere... It's about wanting to be somewhere...

(07-28-2016 10:59 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 10:32 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:19 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  UNCC is the fastest growing university in the UNC system boasting a 30% increase in enrollment over the last decade, currently 4th largest enrollment in the state, 306 students behind ECU (Link). Where roughly 50%-60% of total growth of the UNC system has taken place over the last 6 years. Let me repeat that 50%-60% of total growth of a 17 member university system has come from one university (Link). As an alum of both ECU and UNCC I would welcome the Niners to the AAC with open arms.

They've played 1 year of FBS football, went 2-10 and 0-8 in CUSA and play in a stadium with a capacity of 15,000. Pump your brakes. Maybe in 10-12 years.

UCF went 0-12 last year and plays in a 44,000 seat stadium. Charlotte's stadium is already ready for expansion if necessary and they could easily play in BoA Stadium during construction.

Lol really? They also won 47 games in the 5 years prior to that, finished in the top 10 once, top 25 twice, won two conference titles and won the freaking Fiesta Bowl.

I'm not trying to demean Charlotte, but c'mon. You have got to earn it a little more than they have. They may very well be a power in 15 years but they need more time. Even with their 15,000 seat stadium they only sold it out three times last year. So they build a 30,000 seat stadium then can only put 14,000 in it? If your taking a team like that ODU deserves it more right now.

It's a little of both for us. In the 90s our greatest president ever rejected football. He was set purely on making us a national urban research university. By all accounts he succeeded. We went from being a collection of 10 buildings downtown to literally devouring 50 or more square blocks of downtown. But the athletic side was left wanting. After the Olympics we were offered Atlanta Fulton County Stadium. We rejected the offer likely because our President was anti football and let's face it in 1997 we would not know what to do with it. When Lefty Driesell was our MBB coach a couple years later the story goes that he spoke to some contacts in the Big East and was told "you need football". So we fell 16 years behind in all of that.

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(07-29-2016 07:44 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-29-2016 07:39 AM)VA49er Wrote:  lol, nothing like whoring oneself out to get into a conference no one there wants to be in.

Everyone in G5 wants to cross over that P5 line to more revenue. It has nothing to do about not wanting to be somewhere... It's about wanting to be somewhere...

Well, if and when the B12 raids then everyone left in the AAC will just beatch about everything, especially the new additions. Then the $$ will decrease so it will be like nothing changed.

nobody wants stupid UNCC in the AAC.

(07-29-2016 08:17 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  I'm not trying to demean Charlotte, but c'mon. You have got to earn it a little more than they have. They may very well be a power in 15 years but they need more time. Even with their 15,000 seat stadium they only sold it out three times last year. So they build a 30,000 seat stadium then can only put 14,000 in it? If your taking a team like that ODU deserves it more right now.

Valid concern, Charlotte needs a couple winning seasons to get a true gauge of what football support they can get. The past 3 seasons we've had a total of 12 wins over schools the average fan has never heard of.

We've also found out that the noon starts really take away from the whole experience. As right now for this year, we have four 6pm start times and two 2pm start times.

(07-29-2016 08:52 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(07-29-2016 08:17 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  I'm not trying to demean Charlotte, but c'mon. You have got to earn it a little more than they have. They may very well be a power in 15 years but they need more time. Even with their 15,000 seat stadium they only sold it out three times last year. So they build a 30,000 seat stadium then can only put 14,000 in it? If your taking a team like that ODU deserves it more right now.

Valid concern, Charlotte needs a couple winning seasons to get a true gauge of what football support they can get. The past 3 seasons we've had a total of 12 wins over schools the average fan has never heard of.

We've also found out that the noon starts really take away from the whole experience. As right now for this year, we have four 6pm start times and two 2pm start times.

Noon kicks were brutal. Joe Schmo wasn't coming out for that, we were also playing no name programs.

(07-29-2016 08:59 AM)moss2k Wrote:  Noon kicks were brutal. Joe Schmo wasn't coming out for that, we were also playing no name programs.

Other than USM and Marshall, no real match ups for average person to get excited about and even with those 2 people we were getting our teeth kicked in.

I have nothing against UNC-Charlotte or their athletics.

What we have to do is wait until the Big XII makes their decision and the American evaluates how to go forward.

Schools like Georgia State, Old Dominion, and Charlotte may be considered because of their growth and future potential. Sometimes they work out well, like South Florida. Sometimes they do not, like UAB.

A lot of discussion about potential vs. results regarding Charlotte and ODU.

In the past, results were more important as realignment seemed to continue to leave doors open. However, if the Big XII does expand, those doors close for the foreseeable future. I believe that once the dust settles from this move, we're going to see relative stability for at least 10-15 years.

The AAC would be wise to look at this as a twenty year decision rather than a five year decision, IMO.

(07-29-2016 07:39 AM)VA49er Wrote:  lol, nothing like whoring oneself out to get into a conference no one there wants to be in.

I disagree with this sentiment to an extent. It's not the conference we're in that I'm concerned with, it's the schools we're in a conference with.

We're a large public university in a major Eastern metropolitan area. We have a history with many of the current AAC teams dating back to our days in the Metro, Sun Belt, and CUSA 1.0.

Between those two things, I think we align much more closely with schools like UCF, Temple, ODU, etc than we do with Rice, LaTech, or North Texas. I want to be in a conference with like-minded institutions that fit within a reasonable geographical footprint. I don't care what you call it.

(07-29-2016 07:39 AM)VA49er Wrote:  lol, nothing like whoring oneself out to get into a conference no one there wants to be in.

See, that's BS, and you're a liar for saying it.

The American is a good league, proven by the fact that the B12 is essentially only interested from poaching from this conference (and BYU). Just because schools are more interested in being in a conference that makes $30 million/team/year, doesn't mean that they're mutually exclusive.

It also beats the tar out of every G5 TV deal, including CUSA's beIN disaster.

(07-29-2016 10:38 AM)49erlew Wrote:  A lot of discussion about potential vs. results regarding Charlotte and ODU.

In the past, results were more important as realignment seemed to continue to leave doors open. However, if the Big XII does expand, those doors close for the foreseeable future. I believe that once the dust settles from this move, we're going to see relative stability for at least 10-15 years.

The AAC would be wise to look at this as a twenty year decision rather than a five year decision, IMO.

(07-29-2016 07:39 AM)VA49er Wrote:  lol, nothing like whoring oneself out to get into a conference no one there wants to be in.

I disagree with this sentiment to an extent. It's not the conference we're in that I'm concerned with, it's the schools we're in a conference with.

We're a large public university in a major Eastern metropolitan area. We have a history with many of the current AAC teams dating back to our days in the Metro, Sun Belt, and CUSA 1.0.

Between those two things, I think we align much more closely with schools like UCF, Temple, ODU, etc than we do with Rice, LaTech, or North Texas. I want to be in a conference with like-minded institutions that fit within a reasonable geographical footprint. I don't care what you call it.

I get most of your post but no one should look 20 years down the road. In this changing climate you need instant gratification. We don't need someone who is going to take 10 years to be on par, we need someone to come in from day one and compete for AAC titles. Reality is in probably 4 or 5 years, maybe sooner, the whole deal is going to be totally shaken up. We're moving to 4 mega conferences and the people left out will be an afterthought from here on out, at least football wise. MANY P5 coaches believe this is where we are going and I am inclined to agree with them since they are privy to a lot of information and conversations us fans and the media aren't.

(07-28-2016 10:42 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 10:32 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 08:19 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  UNCC is the fastest growing university in the UNC system boasting a 30% increase in enrollment over the last decade, currently 4th largest enrollment in the state, 306 students behind ECU (Link). Where roughly 50%-60% of total growth of the UNC system has taken place over the last 6 years. Let me repeat that 50%-60% of total growth of a 17 member university system has come from one university (Link). As an alum of both ECU and UNCC I would welcome the Niners to the AAC with open arms.

They've played 1 year of FBS football, went 2-10 and 0-8 in CUSA and play in a stadium with a capacity of 15,000. Pump your brakes. Maybe in 10-12 years.

They just need a few years of d-1 talent. Clearly they would need stadium expansion to get to AAC level.

They've had D-1 talent. They had an offer from C-USA before the football program even started so the talent isn't the issue. It's really the desirability of attending Charlotte and the fact that you have App State, ECU, Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, NC State and ECU all in one state. Historically speaking, App was never in the picture as far as competing for recruits but that is changing with the success of the first two seasons in the Belt. So now you have representatives from 3 G5 conferences all within two or three hours drive of one another.

(07-29-2016 08:52 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(07-29-2016 08:17 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  I'm not trying to demean Charlotte, but c'mon. You have got to earn it a little more than they have. They may very well be a power in 15 years but they need more time. Even with their 15,000 seat stadium they only sold it out three times last year. So they build a 30,000 seat stadium then can only put 14,000 in it? If your taking a team like that ODU deserves it more right now.

Valid concern, Charlotte needs a couple winning seasons to get a true gauge of what football support they can get. The past 3 seasons we've had a total of 12 wins over schools the average fan has never heard of.

We've also found out that the noon starts really take away from the whole experience. As right now for this year, we have four 6pm start times and two 2pm start times.

What most people also fail to mention is that Charlotte's stadium was designed with expansion in mind. The land around it leaves room to add another 30,000 seats easily. The issue is that, as I mentioned previously, you have three G5 conference schools within the same geographic area (and now Coastal Carolina) recruiting the same areas.

Expansion is going to be tough if a coaching staff isn't in place that can win. Coaches bring in athletes, athletes win games, people show up and donate money. As of right now, I don't believe the coaching staff is in place to get you to the next level which is winning games.

And I just saw that you only pulled in 13,000 for a game against a team vying for the New Years day bowl from the G5. A lot of things can be fixed but pulling support in from Charlotte isn't going to be easy considering the number of transplants in and around the Charlotte-Mecklenburg area.