(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

What's the smallest G5 stadium to host a P5?


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(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

Didn't say it was a reason a P5 wouldn't come (but it is part of it, whether you agree or not). I believe it would be great and in the long run help grow the program to host a P5 not just once every 10 years, but at least every other year. But this is about money and getting paid. As Paulson stands now we lose a lot of money opting for a home and home vs a $1M+ payday. We just have too few seats to offer season tickets, visitors, walkups and students. A 2 for 1 is a non-starter (unless it's Bama or Notre Dame, but I'm sooner to win the lotto then that happening).

Money is GS's biggest issue. IF we find a way to get $3M+ more each year in funding then scheduling becomes a lot easier. Now we have now leverage and have to take what we can get and everyone knows it.

Exactly. If you are going to get $1M+ for a one and done, then you have to be able to make at least that in order for it to make economical sense to push for the 1-1.

I also whole believe stadium size does matter to an extent. They have to keep their fan base happy. If you can not give the P5 an ample amount of tickets to sell to their fans then they will most likely go play somewhere else.

(07-12-2016 10:41 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Exactly. If you are going to get $1M+ for a one and done, then you have to be able to make at least that in order for it to make economical sense to push for the 1-1.

I also whole believe stadium size does matter to an extent. They have to keep their fan base happy. If you can not give the P5 an ample amount of tickets to sell to their fans then they will most likely go play somewhere else.

I definitely see your point, but for a team like Georgia Southern, I think that the intangible benefits of excitement, prestige, recognition, etc. for being able to host a P5 (if it was the right one) could lead to future benefits. i.e., you might lose money on that particular game day, but you might see a big increase in season ticket purchases, casual fans coming out to the game, local media coverage, merchandise sales, etc.

Lots of people say we'll need to expand to 30k before we can get a legit P5 to visit, but I feel like if we could get one first, it could spur investment, and be an impetus for that expansion to occur. Chicken or egg, I reckon.

Does anyone know how much their schools make during a sellout game?

(07-12-2016 06:57 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

What's the smallest G5 stadium to host a P5?


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It could be us this year when Miami comes to town. Just under 25k actual seats with the possibility of temp seating and the grass SRO bank. I'm expecting a total of 33k.

(07-12-2016 11:53 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Does anyone know how much their schools make during a sellout game?

It would vary on ticket prices. Usually the sell out games are priced differently.


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(07-12-2016 06:57 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

What's the smallest G5 stadium to host a P5?


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We've got several signed with right at 20K. Charlotte has Duke playing there but not for several more years. VT did put a clause in the second contract they signed (the first was a 2-1, the second a 2-2) that we need to have a new stadium before they came but to the best of my knowledge there was no stipulation on the size it had to be. We're only adding about 2,000 more seats initially. NC State made some noise about our stadium not being big enough but they sent back a couple thousand tickets unsold last year. We could certainly make more playing away but the fans & players want these types of games at home so if you can make it happen you should imo.

(07-12-2016 10:50 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 10:41 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Exactly. If you are going to get $1M+ for a one and done, then you have to be able to make at least that in order for it to make economical sense to push for the 1-1.

I also whole believe stadium size does matter to an extent. They have to keep their fan base happy. If you can not give the P5 an ample amount of tickets to sell to their fans then they will most likely go play somewhere else.

I definitely see your point, but for a team like Georgia Southern, I think that the intangible benefits of excitement, prestige, recognition, etc. for being able to host a P5 (if it was the right one) could lead to future benefits. i.e., you might lose money on that particular game day, but you might see a big increase in season ticket purchases, casual fans coming out to the game, local media coverage, merchandise sales, etc.

Lots of people say we'll need to expand to 30k before we can get a legit P5 to visit, but I feel like if we could get one first, it could spur investment, and be an impetus for that expansion to occur. Chicken or egg, I reckon.

You are definitely correct. The extra buzz around town, the increase in ticket sales, the increased interest from casual fans, plus letting people know that the local university football team sells out (makes it a hot ticket item,) are all things that are invaluable. You can not put a price tag on all of that, as well as the increased media attention. Also can not put a price tag on the value of a casual/first timer fan coming to a sold out game with electric atmosphere vs a known P5 opponent. Great opportunity to hook people and entice them to come back in the future.


@bobcat- I have no idea how much we actually make for a sold out game in terms of dollars. I do know that the single game prices for the P5 games are usually a little bit more money. I would guess we average an additional 10-12,000 fans for the P5 home games overall. So that is also an additional 10-12,000 fans at the concession stand too.

I wouldn't trade our P5 home games for any amount of money I have seen G5s getting for their 1 and done deals. Obviously if someone wanted to pay us $10 million for a one and done I would want to do that, but thats never going to happen.

(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

It's not the only reason but it is a reason. Lack of seating limits allotment which hurts what P5 or good G5 can recoup in expenses. If you have team A that can give you 1000 more tickets than team B all other things being somewhat equal team A loses every time. Our stadium is about 66% FBS legit. Until we can seat what is considered decent attendance in the FBS, give a real allotment to close teams and get rid of that sheet metal eyesore we will be continue to lose out on opportunities and limit growth.

I dont expect it to be done overnight and is also why I dont jump all over our AD or think other teams with slightly better CURRENT circumstances have genuis AD's. GSU can give 20K in an allotment and still have a ton of space, I doubt we could give 2K.

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(07-12-2016 06:57 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

What's the smallest G5 stadium to host a P5?


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It could be us this year when Miami comes to town. Just under 25k actual seats with the possibility of temp seating and the grass SRO bank. I'm expecting a total of 33k.

FIU at 23K, without standing room, has hosted a bunch of P5's recently. Looks like they just beat you guys out.

(07-12-2016 01:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 06:57 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

What's the smallest G5 stadium to host a P5?


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We've got several signed with right at 20K. Charlotte has Duke playing there but not for several more years. VT did put a clause in the second contract they signed (the first was a 2-1, the second a 2-2) that we need to have a new stadium before they came but to the best of my knowledge there was no stipulation on the size it had to be. We're only adding about 2,000 more seats initially. NC State made some noise about our stadium not being big enough but they sent back a couple thousand tickets unsold last year. We could certainly make more playing away but the fans & players want these types of games at home so if you can make it happen you should imo.

You guys have a significant advantage that Georgia Southern doesn't in a bunch of nearby P5's willing to travel to a G5 in order to ensure close road games for fans.

For many of our programs, unless you are located in a recruiting hotbed, you're going to have to lie, cheat, steal, and if necessary kill, in order to get a P5 to come here.

(07-14-2016 12:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 01:19 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 06:57 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

What's the smallest G5 stadium to host a P5?


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It could be us this year when Miami comes to town. Just under 25k actual seats with the possibility of temp seating and the grass SRO bank. I'm expecting a total of 33k.

FIU at 23K, without standing room, has hosted a bunch of P5's recently. Looks like they just beat you guys out.

ODU @ 20k might be the winner for now.

(07-14-2016 12:35 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 01:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 06:57 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

What's the smallest G5 stadium to host a P5?


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We've got several signed with right at 20K. Charlotte has Duke playing there but not for several more years. VT did put a clause in the second contract they signed (the first was a 2-1, the second a 2-2) that we need to have a new stadium before they came but to the best of my knowledge there was no stipulation on the size it had to be. We're only adding about 2,000 more seats initially. NC State made some noise about our stadium not being big enough but they sent back a couple thousand tickets unsold last year. We could certainly make more playing away but the fans & players want these types of games at home so if you can make it happen you should imo.

You guys have a significant advantage that Georgia Southern doesn't in a bunch of nearby P5's willing to travel to a G5 in order to ensure close road games for fans.

For many of our programs, unless you are located in a recruiting hotbed, you're going to have to lie, cheat, steal, and if necessary kill, in order to get a P5 to come here.

No doubt. Being surrounded by ACC teams that all want to play in the Hampton Roads area as opposed to a bunch of SEC teams that won't have any trouble recruiting South GA regardless is certainly an advantage.

(07-14-2016 12:43 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 12:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 01:19 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 06:57 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

What's the smallest G5 stadium to host a P5?


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It could be us this year when Miami comes to town. Just under 25k actual seats with the possibility of temp seating and the grass SRO bank. I'm expecting a total of 33k.

FIU at 23K, without standing room, has hosted a bunch of P5's recently. Looks like they just beat you guys out.

ODU @ 20k might be the winner for now.

My guess is that Idaho officially has the record, but I'm not digging back through their archives to prove it.

(07-14-2016 12:45 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 12:35 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 01:23 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 06:57 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

What's the smallest G5 stadium to host a P5?


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We've got several signed with right at 20K. Charlotte has Duke playing there but not for several more years. VT did put a clause in the second contract they signed (the first was a 2-1, the second a 2-2) that we need to have a new stadium before they came but to the best of my knowledge there was no stipulation on the size it had to be. We're only adding about 2,000 more seats initially. NC State made some noise about our stadium not being big enough but they sent back a couple thousand tickets unsold last year. We could certainly make more playing away but the fans & players want these types of games at home so if you can make it happen you should imo.

You guys have a significant advantage that Georgia Southern doesn't in a bunch of nearby P5's willing to travel to a G5 in order to ensure close road games for fans.

For many of our programs, unless you are located in a recruiting hotbed, you're going to have to lie, cheat, steal, and if necessary kill, in order to get a P5 to come here.

No doubt. Being surrounded by ACC teams that all want to play in the Hampton Roads area as opposed to a bunch of SEC teams that won't have any trouble recruiting South GA regardless is certainly an advantage.

The same inherent advantage exist for App. I'm not sure why, but ACC teams have proven far more willing to travel locally for G5 games.

From an Arkansas State Perspective, we had to raise our guarantee rate to nearly $2 million to ensure getting games, since SEC's will find any way to avoid traveling.

(07-14-2016 12:43 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 12:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 01:19 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 06:57 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 02:44 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Again, lack of seating is never a reason a P5 won't come to a G5.

What's the smallest G5 stadium to host a P5?


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It could be us this year when Miami comes to town. Just under 25k actual seats with the possibility of temp seating and the grass SRO bank. I'm expecting a total of 33k.

FIU at 23K, without standing room, has hosted a bunch of P5's recently. Looks like they just beat you guys out.

ODU @ 20k might be the winner for now.

Old Dominion has scheduled to host 6 P5's at Forman Field.

Old Dominions Football Games (OOC)
2016 2017
09/03 - Hampton
09/10 - at Appalachian State SBC
09/17 - at NC State ACC
10/08 - UMass IND

2017 2018
09/02 - Albany
09/09 - at UMass IND
09/16 - North Carolina ACC
09/23 - at Virginia Tech ACC

2018 2019
09/08 - VMI
09/22 - Virginia Tech ACC
09/29 - at East Carolina AAC
11/17 - at Virginia ACC

2019 2020
09/07 - at Virginia Tech ACC
09/14 - Buffalo MAC
09/28 - East Carolina AAC

2020 2021
09/12 - at Buffalo MAC
09/19 - Wake Forest ACC
09/26 - at North Carolina ACC
11/21 - Virginia ACC

2021 2022
09/11 - at Wake Forest ACC

2022 2023
09/10 - Virginia Tech ACC
09/17 - at Virginia ACC
TBA - Idaho
09/02 - at Virginia Tech ACC

2024 2025
08/31 - Virginia Tech ACC

2025 2026
08/30 - at Virginia Tech ACC

(07-14-2016 01:29 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 12:43 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 12:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 01:19 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  

(07-12-2016 06:57 AM)WolfBird Wrote:  What's the smallest G5 stadium to host a P5?


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It could be us this year when Miami comes to town. Just under 25k actual seats with the possibility of temp seating and the grass SRO bank. I'm expecting a total of 33k.

FIU at 23K, without standing room, has hosted a bunch of P5's recently. Looks like they just beat you guys out.

ODU @ 20k might be the winner for now.

Old Dominion has scheduled to host 6 P5's at Forman Field.

Old Dominions Football Games (OOC)
2016 2017
09/03 - Hampton
09/10 - at Appalachian State SBC
09/17 - at NC State ACC
10/08 - UMass IND

2017 2018
09/02 - Albany
09/09 - at UMass IND
09/16 - North Carolina ACC
09/23 - at Virginia Tech ACC

2018 2019
09/08 - VMI
09/22 - Virginia Tech ACC
09/29 - at East Carolina AAC
11/17 - at Virginia ACC

2019 2020
09/07 - at Virginia Tech ACC
09/14 - Buffalo MAC
09/28 - East Carolina AAC

2020 2021
09/12 - at Buffalo MAC
09/19 - Wake Forest ACC
09/26 - at North Carolina ACC

2021 2022
11/21 - Virginia ACC
09/11 - at Wake Forest ACC

2022 2023
09/10 - Virginia Tech ACC
09/17 - at Virginia ACC
TBA - Idaho
09/02 - at Virginia Tech ACC

2024 2025
08/31 - Virginia Tech ACC

2025 2026
08/30 - at Virginia Tech ACC

Actually the UVA home game is 11/21/2020 so we'll have Wake and UVA at home that year.

ODU is doing very well with their scheduling. I think it helps that the state schools are willing ot play nice and they are in a recruiting hotbed for that part of the country. Regardless, I give their AD massive credit for getting so many great series.

Recruiting hotbed is us. No clue why we can't schedule someone of note